Re: [sword-devel] NASB
On 02/21/2017 11:37 PM, Matt Zabojnik wrote: > know, I have no awareness of any sort of situation relating to the matter. Let's put it this way: Other than official resources distributed by authorized agents of _The Sword Project_, _Accordance_, _BibleWorks_, and _Logos Library Systems_ (I've forgotten what they changed their name to), my working assumption is that the copyright data on any resource is, at best, inaccurate. In all instances it is mandatory to do due diligence. Obtain permission in writing. Corporate letterhead signed by the party that is authorized to give permission to third parties to utilize the material elsewhere, with the letter stating precisely what permissions are being given, and what the limitations on those permissions are. All of which is a round about way of saying your PD NASB either is not what it purports to be --- the NASB --- or else has been relicensed by somebody who lacked the legal authorization to do so, or neither the NASB, and was relicensed by somebody who lacked the legal authorization to do so. jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Hosting non-US public domain modules
On 22/01/2016 18:15, Kahunapule Michael Johnson wrote: > I can confirm that Jonathan's claim is false. _Twin Books v Disney (83 F 3d 1162)_ is the case law, and as such confirms what I wrote. I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice. jonathon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Hosting non-US public domain modules
On 22/01/2016 10:57, Baiju M wrote: > What kind of proof will be required? Do we need complete scan available in > public? US Case Law implies that works first published in a language other than English, and first published outside of the United States, and first published after 1909, are under copyright within the United States. Furthermore, copyright status in the country in which the work was originally published does not appear to be a relevant factor. I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice. jonathon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] BPBible
On 22/09/15 02:53, Jonathan Morgan wrote: > Hi Jonathon, > > You asked the question on bpbible-devel and got an answer. > Why ask again on sword-devel? I didn't get an answer onBPBible-Devel. jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
[sword-devel] BPBible
All: Assuming that BPBible is still an actively developed/maintained front end, where has the development repository migrated to? https://code.google.com/p/bpbible/ has been archived, until January 2016, after which only the public data will be available. jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] eBible.org repository refresh done
D M Smith wrote: > The [name] of the module should be the appropriate English abbreviation for > the module. Please don't use abbreviations, whether in English, or any other language, as "[name] of the module" Write it out in full. Otherwise, somebody is going to download the wrong Bible, and blame the repository maintainer (if you are lucky) for false and deceptive advertising, never realizing that they were simply the victim of a preventable abbreviation collision. Currently, there are over 2,500 translations/versions of the Bible in a digital file format, in English alone. As one simple example of an issue in English, there are three different translations in English, that have the abridged name of "The Smith Translation". That two of them are referred to as "JS translation" or "J Smith translation" simply compounds the confusion. The three different Bibles that advertise themselves as being "The Rainbow KJV Bible" further highlight the name collision issue. jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
[sword-devel] Trucrypt and Sword Project Front Ends
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 All: Has anybody installed, and run any of the Sword Project front ends, in a TrueCrypt Container, or any similar encrypted container? If so, which one front end, on which operating system? Is there any written documentation anywhere, on how to do this? ### I know that the TrueCrypt development team claims that there is a major security vulnerability in TrueCrypt, but with no indication by them of what it is, nor anything popping up in the subsequent code audits, it looks more like either a hoax, or a warning canary indicating something that nobody has yet discerned. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVjJ6JAAoJEE1PKy9+kxplvuUP/isjzZ1By3u5BUaMBu3+h2D0 CGG6gpz3JBgubFlhap3z7yuXUQvU0Vuovgi5gZK6I5n+LHTDPoCcq/ABeqC1Jqjo u1/eZ+EncJkucwG2zpSdAdoVUAZQHr+frEyHWAEArB+3I+J6Hfq9jOCvboXqdVt2 q4brMtXT519LBNItPlN/NMoh9uEiRi4s3FpTuz/LP4B1441QfSGHVzF1XteCWmZk qTnIxE/5Uit1VXw7xnGrmpBS0yaFJcoClEXRLSMJl34yjV7WkZI93Yq9NuB5pF/e ZOviJlxl/J7fHOdaXyZFoI2er3K7yAPanwjfURz+BOaeKfReKXDePB+LRJ8VeH+t IQHT+feryCbe0+p6pgB38YwFSZO74QzS/F0IedR0L2Fn9VNzw92JkPkNyHooJ6AJ BqDktWir3tkI+V2UF4ubcjSxsiAD9lMtxAPRz7595pyS6KL8eqOkEWvM3z/67RC/ PwVB3KWS38uJkjQ4NczD73/6eFH6eOdnrE+9OjXBPBeLOgHFde0r4MhmvkG2S47X AZIC3smVyW5H1+OEZ8C7gcu90QxI53e77qwAYJZYV5OmK0gSTvyZRR2Pu2VDaa/Z DdZbW/AZV/Sb+dZuU146+KhFUhidg92ohn+FW8JEp5A8GIBFJ+wsVXhccwi1PM12 54C5mXhnUB0XysIVbIy4 =zcBa -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Universal Windows Platform
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/24/2015 02:06 AM, Michael O'Neill wrote: > The app I was referring is 'MySword' FWIW MySword is the unofficial recommendation for Android, for people that are used to using e-Sword. > can only question the credibility because of the credits listed on the ir website. Not sure which credits you are questioning, but there are a plethora of reasons for not using that product. jonathon * English - detected * English * English <#> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVjIVaAAoJEE1PKy9+kxplcdQQAKJpGit5tlGHL0JvexHWZTzr VoS0hlFJ4okEFVZ892OgbG/EpaRLgoVG9DGSGQBNrbYq7Vl39Dh97OL6kfoYsN9M 9/P2u4yCy5IDHGS22113BNof7KKB1xiQr56Rz4fve0MV0lXEz+RdaIYliDslb7Sz yGbYfH1aflL0pC40yAYsoXsgjnEYcHknvWV6LeZAbX9xSAiCZA2phI2xJJesu4dH NyWU9un38879QARmWhqeNHiTEWw1GNo6v4O+8/R59W/K+Uha/nTx7kn53ZOg7lqG QKeNXmEoh0ls7U+b75qcJaN+wE2F9C7EeVJx5i2LrCB/bodbQ0pk9ZJDvUtTP+v8 ml/DNLlv7gwvNDyptHb7oGLSQEyRo/TRa79khQZmlIZ/I3+6RQfwB/ilQUwJdlZI sSzcAmySdY8CaZxNhtvWzqeqA3o52w5BtcgWCZNJXmQ3wUqgWB+aHDQf3d9b7QgM V/eigbb9xHYFtMvKj46gGJeCZ+oCc0NugY7C0uCvNej4wQNKEjhMKgvolE3bU0N1 +gTnmuOQy2jN55hUBJULUL3DhIEsF2GurL2oOpC1ix0WOt21cIReIIhKDmE8K5Rm 4BPjLIEamqk+acmLnNyf6vcHPXyPIJs8c4DZa6ZH8QJV3YJcqTueeDc6EFSCRDLG CPQ02pwYaZwOyiMn7s7c =4qVz -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Universal Windows Platform
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/23/2015 08:18 PM, Peter Von Kaehne wrote: > And then there are a bunch of knock-offs of And Bible in Google Play I've also come across what appears to be a knock off of Bible-Time Mini. I say "appears", because it crashed at the same point as Bible-Time Mini does on my tablet, and creates the same directory structure as Bible-Time Mini. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJViduCAAoJEE1PKy9+kxpl6iwP/08o/bxe5HZHwHy3AoxS1ZKu uPa5VEfqpxT3sflj/CTqJqFsIRNTLRzLYlZ4BIwg/WpXdLGEaBF3gJ7/vT6W2tNp y6LtKwCCFBXPPmV3NP9NyNiWMo0se0jn1QjaKhYQ431gRR3S5pAoCWDwJc6mAVTP T8wdDyC2w1DDetvwV4D7rXVWqIqokyWICXQIW+0294fgkJhCprDOxS67J5MbxnPP Dmr6ssOFVSPAsUc8D5T4hg4526CayDww0JD+MtukxWDoTF4XSCjYH665P6MPrBAs e0SXzQCVnoFNTTuifEbMcwOjGjoEUVRs2pay8Wr4dkbMviGve5WxBPlNHssC4YUz JUv2tvcFqhEnKt9bDid0euGfz7ZtXoRXTUts9G/HIf5k4/ptIWaLZSVJnGmx/nfC seRRjPsh9WOFSD9DtwdE3SYXti2iHTTxKSMpDHE0HZ9AKItbGhErs/wESRd9/6EG jeN6TL99V65J85DqENTbGnS9D8+EMycJTXLJ9JkR6I/Csjoe8IHbqfBO5HrgfcrD EXQREvAQptsum2nRFkjvWBxFtWrm1tUBF+oXd4asABIunyjkRyOkcDFxtSzy2mjU eoibmSYWoxjYgDeJJJKH4Aq7+ENNswy8QR0+IjnkKCjJtS1EFSpIn9o3cU8gbhYf 2GAb+2hEISBFOr4zEW5D =M0h7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Slightly off topic: Bible in Lushootseed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20/05/2015 15:30, David Haslam wrote: >there were only 10 speakers back in 2007. Ethnologue either is treating Skagit, Salish, Snohomish, and Lushootseed as different languages, or else can't count. All of the coastal dialects are extremely threatened, but the tribal authorities are trying to retain/restore the tribal language, as part of their cultural heritage. > It's unlikely that anyone would be working on translating the Bible in to Lushootseed. It just surprises me that there would be a translation in the late 19th century into Montana Salish, but nothing in any of the related dialects since then. I'm pretty sure I've seen a copy of the Lord's Prayer in Duwamish. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVXagAAAoJEE1PKy9+kxplN7sP/3X7YrA2VIDoqSh2S/CwGYP6 jmdwjW5Bmzk0seJC7XLafziME6lRnluUc3X82kD5eqmjWQrNvOXiMWtJ+GpftVBE VzhQ4TD2+7xpkzTHAWTf8LA8Fj5VH6HLOyFR4BpqHmlvwPOdt1s7TqVeQ3aJFD8r 42Kyw657HBvigP+NxYwJjxF33hd9A2UT0cE5GowshiKmwQvBNaRrJ0NxJmpV19hV F6TJ4NbCLK6QazEO7HVTG7VSUDmv3JpdWZ9IyHcIItHar3OzYNvUS5tGPyvmFSb2 5tg7a2tkBpwwOHSXWf8AzrdMAsUZH461ZID8079W1olrQ0a+uRaBPJ8Ua0OR5zuI uSHI5hSucNyYePxyvVQqhjLk/FY7OYDM3+l+BP+W0Z0Spd8ywFs/qP+Hvr3F1+iC 7Z2rQLAgaGUsnx+pObaLIGHzhmWdiHWSYESNK2m1VHi300WhL+301xTJ/nCqkLRp mKLqk67yuw6RluOgtP3j8d6Wqe9uX3FQc2QIKv8vb93+l2ErA51GsqZxnaiKTT/a HxX/aEBxppgqgIu8/O2knO3S3df7YkW2M76aLFi4EhYn4MkarmgIQyfsXSoLAq8x VsFDqSjtAA8Pw7NRszVggJ0A9rgM5pGJlV4lFsz9ct5u/nVvyxSD7I9XcNuf/Hqt Y3JGOt84NLsfMGAXTV6C =rfYW -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
[sword-devel] Slightly off topic: Bible in Lushootseed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 All: I was asked about Bible in Skagit, Snohomish, and Duwamish. My Google-Fu is acting up, because the only thing I can find is the wikipedia page, that states that the Bible was translated into Montana Salish in the late nineteenth century. Nothing on Lushootseed, or any of the coastal dialects (Snohomish, Skagit, Duwamish.) Can somebody point me to a digital copy of the Bible in any of the Lushootseed dialects? jonathon * English - detected * English * English -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVWwgjAAoJEE1PKy9+kxplNeAP/3fuk95QX/AJxG/Su5n37Fxb J/z3g+DKismBiVDO/WABRSG9tH4LyPY3MFEn0opCIuZCTDR0ZDJD9zNy1mdTW1V7 43gtmMJLdgKX41s7rnKNADAszHbiVTw56C3ZYe9BpTUWmIMoOdXiAr4Xb5odvjMY uGwtQEuwyCAXqFU2Lxt0P1lRGjzbHaLKerkMC5eXliLCbBf01q3QiNfz0cOtHwyj LUipWji1xbSqwSK85FqJMV7RlfvbigFY3/vJR6Jzdp3SEYeg/WCAuyLNtG4eHmmA KC+1N+QJr+bHirJlh77nTqBsWUdOyvrbYk2rvYfRoAowpYNchW212d95/OwLpS+N ebR0MfdQDNmwr4W7aTw3tU121BmQLJ7D/h6rkInFUvfaogSmWcF7esCE2hbcEp3c uRSDvzRkINpM1dErThOZqlIziheBO1D2eqdcnIbHzpYQ3TZjhqsKCKKkFWo3q1WN nx60mTOPh8uYmthW6QSaD8T3ZhjLWjfVoGQpsDVNbOZcbQuo/gR6HO5zF4FcNC6w hR7E1Acdm4tC9NWE048krzeI0yRBfrcjtttSUTGJGx6aSvoA1AAIDzxsGfAMNm8W s6RDKDRkMWTIDSg38+u1Zr3pEtmlzB1IA9QJ+zua4C6nMoxNvkaPTknz4y6suwQf QVSnLn6rb2BFX5p0d9Wq =mElw -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Apache OpenOffice / LibreOffice Extension
On 14/03/15 18:50, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > There was something on sourceforge. Using some insane hack on the diatheke > and something else. Thanks. >I have tried using it and found it worse than cut and paste I guess I'll stick to doing that, then. jonathon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
[sword-devel] Apache OpenOffice / LibreOffice Extension
All: I thought that there was an extension for either LibreOffice, or Apache OpenOffice, that enabled users to insert Biblical passages from translations in one of The Sword Project repositories. In looking through their extensions yesterday, I couldn't find it. Was this something that was discussed, but not implemented? Or was it implemented, but then removed? Or am I just not seeing it? jonathon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] how dead are the apps?
On 11/03/15 17:49, Peter Von Kaehne wrote: > No, I agree with that. But some are dead. Using a well outdated sword > format, > unable to use any current modules etc. Probably what is needed are categories: * Active development; * Mature, bug fixes only; * Currently frozen; * Obsolete; * No longer supported; Then list each program under the appropriate category. "No longer supported", and perhaps "obsolete" should have their own pages. jonathon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Coverity Scan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16/02/15 11:28, Matěj Cepl wrote: > Usually the amount of false positives on the first run is quite > drastic, but the pain can subside with some amount of healing. My impression is that for the first year or so,the ideal course of action, is to simply rewrite code, as Coverty flags it for issues. Once it passes all checks, then one has a "secure" base upon which to add features, improvements, and additional test cases. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJU4naxAAoJEE1PKy9+kxplzqMQAKmPd0LgHsND0DA+f7qVGB9M kql2Th44W0mhEclUe23FxP4DmO8UMLYSNHdDFXyJ5xFQdNBa5pzvvUunQF4mGPkC dEz1srAxSzCrZ5bZJD8i1jTY+d6mwvYNG+rD1z6y1UsFGPA1mYGPniLOhVSow8nO 3eHaXsjBprL/RdtmFLyohePsqVBFsF6w5wL0lr7gVBdV49f/r3YYhcXxYeiuA+q+ Gxa5wHNjQL0lSFEn/eN84lB+5VR240QNOXMn+8RE0C1L4AgPIJxTrffBD/P6PCCJ Z4xJkBr1/bs66ZkrKBTyV75UGxyeJ6ZIDM+JmOKZd0/XdZB9Ct7gDMWUP7/ueeEx gTn/QyhoonhKv6RoOmlhUhX6rrB539huZWJqz5w+Fwet2+ETdcPM9lv7MnecImVd mgiULkerdIhmp9wdTTP+VQcFXvfQUjfekyms5IL0oDuWR3+s2PVq3x7UPj2KbkKE bCfU5g1eRbL/eMToDMOWoDjkbXmkWlwM3a345D09V+y1Sl4ei1BmcrPEB3Gt7sXk L3VDLLnamZH1l+X9eb3sbRiNiPUuxmzmoKuq3arIS8WNWYG16dvXx5HhAVNBuqiu pqpMhoD2gCx3FpBN0/ij5YHcRrt3PEjayOXUupQuTz23ThCZJMTMnluNth/0xK5/ 2XjMd/rQ6sV+qo/nDmat =rmkW -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] single chapter reference bug
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/02/15 14:05, DM Smith wrote: > > BTW, the list of books should also include d2: > Epistle of Jeremiah The default for that book should be "6", not "1". However, both "6" and "1" should be recognized as legitimate chapter numbers. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJU3QwCAAoJEE1PKy9+kxplK+IP/imDZ+KYpCu0jW9pOi1mDtAc HFfRihxIjKxtp13d5OuqeI/LTaaeKVRbhTkah2GjPkYJjJEPv1FuMDuAc6lvWMcZ 9U0vTALbsNS+xvGW0MTiRwMHuU2gf0/iB6FDBT+ut64SJpCD0UTL3BhK9KSxt31h OhknFgVlfOQBiJ6oZ4aHcoB+6R34HDKDMl1AZFzfhFW9+rTSAXTC/a/FPiHpHLyC wM2C9vr7uiAjeMSlT4LPaTEkxtfBKCkDiy5PsXfj/oVjOgbWELkxS/LCfYQIXHM9 4krG07yOKB4Hwx2fNq1ugaFz2P5/ic5P8qS/VxeGYryZcq1BqjhdqYC8uzVDRbBV qAPW4csI6VoRy7derhqaDOqPLXui/DaZeGVgawgF5grCRQ3LhXHurvKzkPexK0Aj q9klWac6ZE9tjGHEMwuk67A+rdiqkHDMhOL9DgAt8UjmKV4A3UQstOwGCySDB9se yObPzdSiqFODaNJhZP7+Yn/KJiwXHW0ZuEh3yOdVgWM60jnJp/zdRx6Z/iVhfiVY 69K+vvzLRlPso4kcsAXfVc5MviT1FV83OvsaiBIMHbEzgLrMza/UrcliIxGpcfCl kEJEPqUXcg1Hs88V8vtmPnjJ00n0RnauMrX++lTG31hu5Mr/s1kBb2nqVPWLnm+8 JG5pX/Teya6w7SRKJR/S =jRpB -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
[sword-devel] AV11N
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 All: There are a plethora of versification schemes out there, most of which aren't going to be used by more than one or two Bibles. How much support would there be, for resource creators to configure their own av11n for a specific Bible, or set of Bibles? By way of example, a resource creator constructs both the appropriate AV11N configuration files, and _The Orthodox Tewahedo Biblical Canon of Eighty-one (Broader Canon)_, or _The Haile Selassie Version of the Bible_. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJU0TWoAAoJEE1PKy9+kxplX+oP/RzXUpzrgeDOhiBwsJHfhDlP C7nf/GioYkEF63tRP3BJucTHnzm0Hi2emhyW4E3VSt4bLzZbXEHmbJFvH176yox5 tJcps63FSzyLCRsTQnWNzzxy7unaXQevgHuQQHl3KuAvGZrbSH8j/2ZIj1ORkVtL TKdwf9T4ThWIhOJK07JriQHDXoG2X4e3OgNPSjFOLAPoHOhDhYlz1ETpqDiFt+qf Va8QvpgGlw8wqbMJGPvq6mCr94tZSm4kBIHwiGjyp/NZYSAjLV+TB73FCd9ocf2j 9yi5/ptIR2jCmOEI8v6H4WCBHXjYSz1qhMbppqrST3xElbTgq1VflE7dxvyOagC6 +VFncjIGXhE2Xis1o3eO+URsnvIYIs0y1cz6tS7/0pppAI1/6giIfvkFV46YjC7S 8C7ivU/2XcM3Z0FyBSVvpu6UbBVmDCGwqpAVHDZc18730l2+bdppjmYXWpDJhQRn Yi9mvZRHSCzlVNSNq06U+F8pI1ktEO5HYD+T7LCArtQbkAnFNKGVRJ8J7AAOq43A fukzxc+VSe9jElVOlBIeSxtLiF8UpSqYllX+iQAGsxJkErrfZ43js9TpGHA1DV3x pGiOokr4t/EG6pDXX1ZxtFlLjiyRy4c2gx0116WOmKTbsza2ISQghes+X+GTzkBN N+z4fdSb03D2IedbacUL =fGLo -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
[sword-devel] http://crosswire.org/faq/
All: Can somebody updated the FAQ at http://crosswire.org/faq/? a) The engine supports around 5 different v11n schemes; b) At least one Portuguese language Bible is available; c) PocketSword is an iOS app that presents itself as a Crosswire project; d) MacSword changed its names several years ago. GnomeSword changed its name even longer ago. Those are just the most glaring/obvious inaccuracies in the FAQ presented there. FWIW, it is the second hit for "Crosswire Bible" when I do a search on Google. (Due to the way the Google search algorithm works, your mileage will differ.)) jonathon -- Personal email to this account is automatically forwarded to Dave Null, and goes unread by any human. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] KJV ae character merge
On 4/21/2014 4:23 AM, David Haslam wrote: Further background reading http://www.amazon.com/The-Authorized-Subsequent-Reprints-Representatives/dp/B009ANGJD0/ Also available from http://books.google.com/books?id=TH0fYAAJ The book was published in 1884 by University Press. jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Front-end apps & Social Media
On 4/7/2014 8:28 AM, David Haslam wrote: I would like to see a lot more imaginative enhancements between our front-end apps and Social Media. Take a very good look at the warning that Xiphos, BibleTime, and BibleTime Mini displays when installing new resources. Then ponder upon why those apps display that warning. jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Scripture Tools for Every Person
On 07/24/2013 10:14 PM, Trevor Jenkins wrote: > Might that not confuse people who know about STEP as a format for > electronic Bibles? Maybe, but STEP, as a file format, is dead. Other than e-Sword, is there any currently available Biblical software that can read STEP formatted resources? jonathon -- Email with a status of other than "junk", "bulk", or "list" is forwarded to Dave Null, unread ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities
On 07/23/2013 08:23 AM, David Haslam wrote: > Which other open source project would allow issues to be neglected for more > than 18 months? Firefox, Thunderbird, and OpenOffice.org, are three programs that have had bug reports that went ignored for more than four years. jonathon -- Email with a status of other than "junk", "bulk", or "list" is forwarded to Dave Null, unread. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Parallel Display of Differing V11n Systems
On 07/11/2013 06:46 PM, Chris Burrell wrote: > How do you know that verse 0 maps to verse 1 in the first instance, and 2 in > the next? What if in the target versification, verse 0 is made of 1&2&3. This is why the various v11n schemes have to be clearly defined either within the Sword engine, or an auxiliary part of the front end. There are virtues and vices for including them in the Sword engine, and virtues and vices for including them only in the front end. jonathon -- Email with a status of other than "junk", "bulk", or "list" is forwarded to Dave Null, unread. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Repositories for free and open works
On 07/09/2013 10:12 PM, Jaak Ristioja wrote: >I suggest we create such repositories to ease distribution and mirroring of >works. The only potential virtue of creating a mirror repository, would be if a church had decided upon _The Sword Project_ as its official Bible Study Software, and wanted to provide an easy way for members to download and install all of the resources used by the congregation for its Small Groups, Sunday School, Bible Study, Church Services, and other activities. For that specific instance, the church would create its own repository. jonathon -- Email with a status of other than "junk", "bulk", or "list" is forwarded to Dave Null, unread. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Parallel Display of Differing V11n Systems
On 07/04/2013 03:24 PM, Chris Burrell wrote: > I'm afraid, I'm not sure I follow. The screenshot looks ok, In the LXX, there are roughly eighty verses between what is displayed as 3:23 and what is displayed as 3:24. >but then I don't read Greek or Hebrew so I don't really know. The issue is not language related. The issue is that for roughly two-thirds of Christianity, canonical verses have been omitted. jonathon -- Email with a status of other than "junk", "bulk", or "list" is forwarded to Dave Null, unread. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
[sword-devel] TSP Front End for ChromeBooks
All: Do any of The Sword Project front-ends run on ChromeBooks? If so, which ones? jonathon -- Email with a status of other than "junk", "bulk", or "list" is forwarded to Dave Null, unread. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Synodal versification & IBT modules?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/13/2013 11:34 AM, Костя Маслюк wrote: > No need to introduce new functions because last chapter would be always > calculated via getChapterMax(). For Greek Esther, that approach is always going to fail. The first verse of Greek Esther is Esther 10:2. The last verse of Greek Esther is Esther 10:1. Alternatively, the v11n scheme starts with I:2, and ends with I:1, or starts with I:1, and ends with VI:3. Then there are the other schemes, that are equally non-sequential, but typically the last chapter is not the highest numbered chapter. The other point of failure of that approach is Esther 9:19/9:19a. jonathon - -- Email with a precedence of other than "junk", "bulk", or "list" is automatically forwarded to Dave Null. Those emails will never be seen by me. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRktgYAAoJENBziGtNrBEnqPIIALTmvi7ewKu9OxHwDblCW2CP sZROUnRoX7wkOgxLyA+pO0N1OdPWZzh/LNE4j2GfMdSmug8F9XIuvOZsm7dNiZHK WqaZ/p2/2HrKvK8BzSmjDEfvXWVO56olaoFLFEic7V27Bwe39zVnAfb2pVU/5hCa BvqO+/iZUQHh/coUyPFyzAhVn4r/Ke0I4Ahvt3/lDizOoi4ZRvvGDiCIsDeIxb25 HA/bROPfLlCo2AMELlFmpSGmI6aO9mb+kxbEWQK0Y47I/z1m11O+PWB/OFhBSaMI Rc8zYZWLfaiAbS1MR5l9arCv3bT9Bl9lF73k9+n5MOLF469B5gfuWeVEpaT5Omg= =qDqq -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Finding out copyright programatically
On 07/01/13 18:26, Chris Burrell wrote: > Coming back to my original point. > > Is there appetite for such support in the sword modules? I'd suggest that the conf file should contain the breakdown that Peter suggested. (There are a couple of edge cases where a further clarification of rights might be needed, but they can dealt with later.) There are third party programs that utilize .sword content and data, but do not utilize any code or APIs developed by The Sword Project, CrossWire Bible Society, or any front ends, affiliates, etc. Actually, I'd go further, and suggest that the conf file should contain the entire set of Dublin Core Meta Data Elements. jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] OSIS book abbreviations for Sword updated
On 08/27/2012 04:53 AM, Chris Little wrote: > I've updated the list of OSIS abbreviations at http://www.crosswire.org/wiki/OSIS_Book_Abbreviations Thanks for that list. > Some things that are strictly excluded: > - The Ethiopic broader canon. (Identified here: > These books, though considered canonical are not considered biblical, by > which I mean they aren't part of Bibles printed in this tradition. PsJos is the only book you list, that is not dedicated to church governance. I'm not sure where PsJos comes in, since most lists omit it, and some of the papers I've read on the topic have claimed that they found no evidence that anybody outside of Europe ever claimed it was canonical. Regardless, as best as I've been able to tell, The books on church governance are part of the Broader Canon. A work that hasn't been printed in any language, since 1900, and probably much earlier than that. > without some input from someone in the community (meaning the Bible Society of Ethiopia, probably). It only publishes the _Narrower Canon_, which, whilst problematic for most Biblical Software, is at least reasonable defined. The 1986 _Haile Selassie Edition of the Bible_, is the current definitive edition in Amharic. > the Ascension of Isaiah I'd have to double check, but I think it is included within one of the books that are part of the Narrow Canon COE81. > Acts of Paul & Thecla That was tossed out of the canon before the end of the first millennium. What confuses people, is that Thecla remained a popular apostle for several centuries after she was demoted by the Catholic church. That popularity "encouraged" jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
[sword-devel] SFM to OSIS
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 All: Are there any SFM to OSIS conversion tools that run under Linux, and are being maintained,bugs fixed, etc? The only tools I found ran on Windows, and were extremely old, and no longer maintained. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPDx75AAoJEFD/SeNs/huZMk8H+QFLwPA2Ai+Tnf/n+RdVjnIQ +6rEzEKiiAJWg1sHWWNoiSMoO80ukpNxB4ss3n3SqWY1Htlbc1G/lyp98IeswgAn sWvgUGe54WuO6w8cMVz+fN4Ice50LlGZm1l2LpuXQ9K7557rL4DmTtCzQ9FwaMTu 6yqo6BKUigF1gpHKNe3NZSxDYomtdbcdtXDOXsSBc6oiC/2+TC1eDnK++LtP4zi/ dcihbNQd9aYvirKSBtqHyGMczIuE4Ao19Zk4nCpy2Nn1R/5TzzBLaYwMumnqzjZI 9E7g+CuIoI+QaeqUPSCURieLQwsTjTaXi3L+UF+GoWUtFvOYMxPZl+z7chvewAY= =Dlzl -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Support for vision impaired users?
On 07/12/11 09:05, David Haslam wrote: > The general name for this subject is > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessibility A short list of accessibility issues is: # Auditory impairments; * Mild; * Moderate; * Severe; * Profound; * High tone; * Low tone; * This list is not exhaustive; # Cognitive disabilities; * Dyslexia; * Autism; * ADHD; * This list is not exhaustive; # Learning Disabilities; * This list is not exhaustive; * Motor, mobility, and dexterity impairments; * Paralysis; * Cerebral Palsy; * Carpal Tunnel Syndrome; * This list is not exhaustive; # Seizures and related phenomena; * Protoepileptic Seizures; * This list is not exhaustive; # Vision impairments; * Colour blindness; * Low vision; * Legally blind; * This list is not exhaustive; To test a system for A11Y, throw away the monitor, keyboard, and mouse. If the program provides the same functionality for the user, then it is accessible. jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Fwd: win ce 6
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/07/2011 06:01 AM, Barry Drake wrote: > Hi there . Does anyone have access to Windows ce 6 (Windows Mobile I just installed it on my Omnia. WinMo 6.5. > SwordReader fires up, but cannot see the module. I'm certain that Microsoft > must have changed the way in which path information is stored in the underlying OS. My impression is that Microsoft changed something else, which had cascading effects that included, as a side effect, breaking path information. > If any of you have access to Win ce 6 and are willing to look at the problem, > please get back to me. I installed the cab file available at http://www.swordreader.org/betas/SwordReader_PPC_02012009_beta_01.CAB. When I started SwordReader, the KJV was displayed. Suggestion: Uninstall SwordReader, and run one of those apps that removes all the debri left from resources that didn't uninstall, but claimed to have done so. Worst case scenario is to do a hard reset, wiping all existing data from the device. (Do not do that if the device requires activation by a cell carrier to function.) > I'd love to help the guy, but I no longer use anything Microsoft for ethical > reasons. IMNSHO, the constant BSODs are a more practical reason to not use their software. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOZ7nEAAoJEBMQHWI81DBkji4H/AhmQe/F5RmRUnPX9/kSqjA5 vR+8HdP3VbTDd+6TdJfR7DU9MRKlJCfT++FqMFgZxlNOInxH4tRdbN/A8Mpg+8p6 mP9wW85yKnLkTOMhTguuvpA7Hm2BMhkpRhU0RwfSOKPbfOOR2JLG64Fj5p0n8aVC 8qFIh8za+yxQpAUuYFJkICx0v+Y5NYfaZevup8LvUuQS1mdggXielq1jyDMhDweY Zz0bRsGd+5oqfl+HiJzhPqxA/uvfre1lCAEonoTWKp5HZl93MpWEE8AB6OByQuXk b/bT5hfZskgXLgnQEm4b+e/d4ez0vFPqc6eXdUnLxHFQqBLa6/4DSb1sfmmepsg= =NGc8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Strong's Numbers Python Script for Foreign Language Bibles
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 29/06/2011 15:24, David Haslam wrote: > Is this the software being used for the *Tyndale STEP project*? AFAIK, what I described is not being used there. jonathon - -- All emails sent to this with email address with a precedence other than bulk, or list, are forwarded to Dave Null, unread. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOC/CmAAoJEDqP6lg9AbnK/dAH/ibiI8pjz1SG6l/bqfgU2hdv lIa1lD6h3St+4KtGx89Wavq5b1RGjE+itE9LrqZlC87d4TGNEZj7i+6UfYAHtgL2 kVYE3AC1RNoY4PoRrjATEiunjnU+6ihNAWJTK43BWJlf8wza6QIts6DPs+7kDsBM 0t6d5bZifImLBzfpj9o8M1vr5NYdWE8hsOy2FF9KVvPyGrrrQF96/AsoM3mQk3HD eZa034i4qevqlRH/6U6mm2AHXVHgYbc/H9y2YvnRgPo2KNsejr332jnfuGpjOa5I RPVtYSYQfnIPYcynnU79TV5bifHOt1U4KCeyz+5EIDtkg0xmWNpVgbMIC7UYy98= =IMm5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Strong's Numbers Python Script for Foreign Language Bibles
On 28/06/2011 16:52, Kamal Abou Mikhael wrote: > 1. You mentioned the script being tied to Bibletech talk... was that your talk? No. >are there any remaining artifacts from that talk? mp3... slides... notes... They should be on the BibleTech website. > 2. How does the script work? Does it use advanced computational linguistics of some type or heuristics of some kind? Basically brute force. It has four required files attached to it. * Hebrew Strong Numbers, in Hebrew Word Order, for the entire Bible. (NT & MT); * Greek Strong Numbers, in Greek Word Order, for the entire Bible. (LXX & NT); * English word frequency/Strong Number/scripture citation combinations; * English text; The fifth file is the Bible translation in the target language. The script reads the target language. * Create a concordance of the Bible in the target language; * Create a word frequency chart in the target language; * Start with the first word of the first verse: # Locate that word in other verses where the same Strong Number appears; # If matches are found, then the Strong Number is attached to the word; # If a mismatch is found, that gets notated with (?); # If no matches are found, then the word is skipped; # At the end of the verse, left over Strong Numbers are put in parenthesis at the end of the verse; # At the end of the session, it rereads the verses, looking for unmarked words, and Strong Numbers at the end of the verse; # It then attempts to rematch words, dropping syllables to locate the match; Messy, and only useful for a first cut rough draft. I went through the most probable set of DVDs and CDs that I would have archived it in, and didn't find the script. :( jonathon -- All emails sent to this with email address with a precedence other than bulk, or list, are forwarded to Dave Null, unread. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Strong's Numbers Python Script for Foreign Language Bibles
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 30/04/2011 13:28, Kamal Abou Mikhael wrote: > A while back there was a post regarding a python script that created first > drafts of Strong's numbers for foreign languages. That was me, and I haven't found that script, yet. :( It probably will be faster for me to rewrite it, than find it again. jonathon - -- All emails sent to this with email address with a precedence other than bulk, or list, are forwarded to Dave Null, unread. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNvaOaAAoJEDqP6lg9AbnKDmAH/jebf8K8R6NsKoqZZcn/+1e3 K0J6dDXnWqECHeiRPD69rIhEoadmwN2OsqXIO3ESTbR1Im5UHe3C56QPZCnoKsRr lY928jAib9ti+bNJjbmVZXZVcdKe7g0KpxOhorAJprB/f2B11v2JtEabGPccSI+V g5wDsA51SAXkNfF9Hx1dw/Qrp8GEbWsyiVW+8MjyZddeHoJcAYbPmlrPa87neaKH MfKg2Uhz30YVrWNWOWJ2sZLMlATO3smHhIPcB6L9+KDckVcnu0+mMkk038zAkYhu VBLSknwJcS6mirXV3iBKiignJ80pp8s7+fU0dHJvnZTXERFXUaTPF0pYy0sWawo= =Pqpv -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] BREW Development?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 19/04/2011 08:15, David Haslam wrote: > I guess a separate page would have been preferable, Chris. To me, it doesn't matter if those non-projects are on the same page, or a different page. What I find useful is that it is an acknowledgement of the platform/whatever, but that it is probably otherwise "unknown" to _The Sword Project_. Some of those entries should be updated, and otherwise cleaned up. (EG: Kindle, with an explanation of why a _Sword Project_ front end can not be created for it, if official approval/authorization of the app is required.) jonathon - -- All emails sent to this with email address with a precedence other than bulk, or list, are forwarded to Dave Null, unread. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNrmhZAAoJEDqP6lg9AbnK3bQIAKh45Up0dGs6QObNNRh1GnOj oT/mNvaQXz3skLIeWi9T3mKrhJvgEests7AaFKjODsyXjy4nRGIYJl57w2M1ff3z kPXzOKdEwx6ObM94O9i4TD9fxiUpgoNILK0mNYm1ZdnZLkEX66ui0wAJj0DBqlCf 0mPvEqHxyvKwmL7lIlNKS6z53zooGT2pmrXwxe53/6YtVOxVolzwKYfS7HOt4bxN chEO2Q0cTkx9XqNppozwt4ioHHd5Tr6ePocXVCONwAFx2aCrB5294iQysN9RrQog vBNe1M+ALcUd0gp6D485G0vFSYWEms/jFZG3n1xs5arp82HVIUEeVt/SIPsnV78= =2QBD -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] add_strong_numbers_to_unknown_language.py was Re: Has the Russian Synodal Translation been removed?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 29/03/2011 21:39, Peter von Kaehne wrote: >> add_strong_numbers_to_unknown_language.py is a python script that reads > Where is that script located? It was emailed to me several years ago. Well before the talk at BibleTech on generating Strong Numbers in new languages. I'll send a copy when I find it my archive DVDs. At least, I hope I archived it to DVD. If I didn't, it will need to be rewritten. (On a semi-related note, can somebody recommend a good program for cataloguing DVD's, CD,s USB sticks, and SD Cards. At a minimum, the following data needs to be in the catalogue: Disk name, file name, file path, file size, file modification date, hash value. Ideally, Dublin Core Meta Data can be added after the fact. To locate this specific file, I'll be running "cat /media/discname | grep py | grep trong" I think I still have a couple of other similar scripts that would be useful.) jonathon - -- email sent to this with email address with a precedence of other than bulk, or list, are forwarded to Dave Null, unread. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNk8QAAAoJEDqP6lg9AbnKCCkIAL+XWa8LsbCFiSjBdolRCgJl x+a/+szL21h9nRfxm9VXwmzwd8JpYB6f4Wpi5ODShHN560BKlNUBjI501fWb+Dlr o+PXxNdqc+P4TEskG8lk6UDF9RKfX6VMGuBlU1hqJMk8Yo2fR8Nwa4whSeGsMBGC 7Q/vjw9MUHEXIgyaMKVgNm/hCMze+/yPAwqnC8Chl/nCPDj9rlwotcYm6U+u0vUN 60MrbgHRhZndf6iFdiVzYlh5ETRHRXq1JlSxa0pOhMSfm1tiI5PCMr0RqGbD4Cj3 95bGYux27mgWVWkOm14dqBwlc9E446dRCE9Sa4Ea6/h+i6NF6rGrkEBvk47Q3XA= =SQ+b -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Has the Russian Synodal Translation been removed?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 29/03/2011 12:20, David Haslam wrote: > I can't see how a digital process can be copyrighted, if the same goal can be > achieved by independent means, using our own scripting methods. Offhand, I can not cite either the relevant case law, or relevant statute law. In the united states, "sweat of the brow" does not suffice, when obtaining copyright. In the EEC, "sweat of the brow" does suffice, when obtaining copyright. In the united states, copyright requires a "creative action". Running a script does not qualify as a "creative action". Where these two collide, is that running add_strong_numbers_to_unknown_language.py is not considered to be "creative action" in the united states. It also fails to gain copyright protection, because it is merely "sweat of the brow", in the united states. However, in Europe, it is copyrightable, under "sweat of the brow" criteria. # add_strong_numbers_to_unknown_language.py is a python script that reads in a text file in VPL format, and eventually spits out a text file in VPL format, that has both Greek and Hebrew Strong Numbers attached to most words (OT, NT, A) in the text file. Whilst the number/word combination is not always accurate, it is "good enough" as a first draft. jonathon - -- email sent to this with email address with a precedence of other than bulk, or list, are forwarded to Dave Null, unread. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNkiTFAAoJEDqP6lg9AbnKjvEIAKj8m8n3C7NvE6AsWCzfJKKQ 3fu2CiirYOBIzvpMP4JZWEem8rxDGxPYjST0AMSUeORLUzF4p4e1uGRaEyJ3T7WM B/W2Iis81mIFnE6oztIGbCotBcbCvDI/KyEx07tvhpJY90Z/FKZ8lMJbYkr4vqUF 0Sq0mbq6urZLfaRrxZtWxVih8bRVzWEn+eYhuchRqwBlM232V46wMkiZ5V54iBUw QcDUExBBg9dHTURCfMUwvpDKkKNvZtzhXbhXx0AHDeJSGl6PdnBLiiS2rslzh5HD GtQg4PcTsAo9s2M2szCrTQPqL5JhS1M8AVu4AH2f5DtbpK7EH96ZtgFgSGZIy5Y= =M5H9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] buying xiphos? (Re: YOAH!!!!)
On 06/08/2010 07:59 PM, Karl Kleinpaste wrote: > Where would he get the idea that Xiphos must be purchased, There have been scattered efforts that suggest that software that one does not purchase, is software that is stolen, and hence illegal to use. >and who would have redeemed such a purchase? There are at least a dozen organizations that sell FLOSS. Some of them do rebrand the product, and offer product support on their site, and/or through their employees. Those that don't rebrand the product tend to point to the program's community support, for customer support. On 06/08/2010 08:29 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > Please provide as much details as you can so that we can initiate immediate request for take-down for violating our license terms (GPL) What clause of either the GNU GPL 2.0, or GNU GPL 3.0 do you think is being violated by selling Xiphos? On 06/08/2010 09:12 PM, Matthew Talbert wrote: > I looked briefly online for anywhere that might have it for sale and couldn't find anything. Back in January or February I ran across a site that was selling what appeared to be a rebranded version of Xiphos on CD. I did not bookmark it. jonathon -- Non-list email sent to this email address is forwarded to Dave Null, unread. <> signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] frontend features, their applicability -- consistency?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Karl Kleinpaste wrote: > It *cannot* do what a laptop or desktop does, The typical smartphone sold today, has the same amount of RAM as the typical desktop of five years ago, and the same amount of storage as the typical desktop of a decade ago. The biggest limit on what one can do, is inflicted by the locking down of the OS by the cell carrier/device vendor. > fond fantasies to the contrary notwithstanding. You might not be able to get an iPhone, or Android to do what a laptop or desktop does, but that does not mean that it is a fantasy to do so. I wouldn't want to use a smartphone for writing a novel, or calculating Mersenne primes, or calculating the graphs that are constructed by the application of Catastrophe Theory. But those are done, and in the first instance, is a genre of Japanese literature. >but it is not and never will be a general study app. Olive Tree did a partial presentation on an iPhone at the SBL Bible Software Shootout. The biggest obstacles were the lack of resources, and that the specific functionality was not yet working in the iPhone version. Screen estate, or lack thereof was not an issue. I won't be surprised if, by BibleTech 2012, the only difference between Olive Tree and Logos (both mobile and desktop apps, for both organizations) are in the resources that are available. Personally, I think that the biggest issue with using mobile devices is the lack of storage. The small screen estate is a secondary issue. One that can be, and has programmed around. (Yes, that means that you can have a commentary follow a verse, and a dictionary follow the word, and each be visible to the user.) jonathon - -- Non-list email sent to this email address is forwarded to Dave Null, unread. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkvSJbAACgkQVyQBHg3MfvR5dQCfXTBP28rWC2xfiEZFluXPZ2gq o00AniEEdWvPLm6McooTzAXeifxJtL6M =+GOc -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
[sword-devel] http://www.crosswire.org/index.jsp?section=FAQ discongruencies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Can somebody please rewrite the page at http://www.crosswire.org/index.jsp?section=FAQ so that it is congruent with the data on http://www.crosswire.org/applications.jsp ## My login that used to allow me to make such changes no longer works, otherwise I would do it. jonathon - -- Non-list email sent to this email address is forwarded to Dave Null, unread. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkvClqcACgkQVyQBHg3MfvTeYgCgtm+ebI4EXsSctGf7WwpCC2Sj DKMAn2Odqh7UPWM7nOVz+3Q9q2YPT9Vf =6lg7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Open Office Bible Text Inserter extension
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 18:53, Andrew Drapper wrote: > So the time has come to bite the built as it where and face that fact the > open office needs a new extension, or Linux a universal Bible text inserter. +1 > I have no programming experience except in HTML PHP and JavaScript for web > work If you want it to work within OOo, you have a steep learning curve. > so do not know where to start, http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/Scripting/Writing_Macros is the most readable documentation. Documentation for the OOo API can be found at http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/OpenOffice.org_Developers_Guide _OpenOffice.org Macros Explained_ by Andrew Pitonyak is one of the few (?only¿) books on macro writing for OOo. If you want to use the built in Basic, http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/BASIC_Guide Personally, I suggest using Javascript, if you are fluent in that language. It will be slightly more difficult integrating it into OOo, than some other language choices, but that is going to be true for virtually any language you write the macro in. > but I want to write or preferably work with a team to write an open office > extension to insert Bible text into open office documents. writer and impress > probably are the only ones that needed it. I'm aware of two previous attempts to write a macro, that would insert Bible passages into OOo. Neither of those attempts got as far as a semi-working beta. ( > There are some refinements that could be made, life chose of Bible, where the > reference goes are verse numbers to be included etc, but that gives you the > idea. Trivial details. If you can get something that can add verses from even one translation, it will be a huge step forward. DM Smith wrote: >One possible path would be to use JSword. This is a Java implementation of >SWORD. The advantage is that it works on all platforms without having to >compile the SWORD C code for each. My perception is that Java is the easiest language to integrate macros into OOo. Even so, the OOo API can be incredibly frustrating to utilize. jonathon -- Ethical conduct is a vice. Corrupt conduct is a virtue. Guiding principles of the legal and ethical system of Nacarima. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] SwordReader .....
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 12:02, Barry Drake wrote: > suspect that there is no longer any need to maintain the present release > beyond offering support, which I can do! Do I understand this correctly: * There will be ongoing support for Sword Reader; * The only ongoing development will be bug fixes; ### In the last six months, three other vendors of Bible Study Software have announced that they will be doing no further development on the WinMo platform, and all official support will end on, or before 1 January 2010. By way of comparison: * Either two or three organizations have released Bible Software for the iPhone in the last six months; * Either one or two organizations have released Bible Software for the Android platform, in the last six months; [I don't have precise dates available, but I think that all of these announcements have been in the last three months, rather than last six months.] jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] This campaign, under the motto Load and Help
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 08:22, Wolfgang Schultz wrote: > e-sword modules with a fantastic word processor for Linux i would a) This list is for _The Sword Project_, and peripherally, related front ends; b) SoftOffice 2008 won't enable one to create resources for e-Sword. (Not even for importing using BeST 2.x) Whilst one might be able to use it to create resources for _The Sword Project_, there are a plethora of other tools that offer far more functionality in that regard. jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Versification representation questions...
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 13:50, Chris Burrell wrote:
>Does anyone have any views as to the best way of storing the verse/passage
>reference?
Test out each approach using different versions/editions of
GreekEsther. It probably will provide you with every "worst case
scenario" you can imagine, and some that you never thought would be
possible. Use the results of those tests to guide you in your full
scale implementation.
> 2- Storing the beginning and end of each section say as a group of sub
> references { (book, start_chapter, start_verse, end_chapter, end_verse)+ }.
> In this case a reference would be many of the previous definition. I can see
> how we could work it out here, but i can see also having to do lots of index
> range scans on our database
Providing the specific resource also provides the versification
scheme that is used, this is going to be the simplest approach to
implement, and provide results that are consistent.
The Hmong Bible --- or at least the version I'm working on --- doesn't
have individual verse numbers. Each paragraph is a verse range.
(Verifying the text, creating Interlinears and Concordances for it is
awkward, because my usual error trapping/correction tools were written
for individual verses, not verse ranges.)
> 3- Number each verse of the bible from 1 to 3 or something like that, and
> then workout and store each verse that is included in the reference in a
> table somewhere in the database
The _major_ problem with this approach is that if the resources
aren't hand checked, to ensure that each verse has the
appropriate/correct verse number, passages that overlap won't, and
passages that do not overlap will overlap. (This is what the Study
Note Component of e-Sword used to do. Whenever somebody created notes
from a Bible translation that didn't correlate exactly to the
specifications, their notes were in the wrong place.)
A secondary problem is what happens when your verse scheme doesn't
include verses that a specific translation does have?
The KJV Protestant Canon has 31,102 verses.
The verse numbering will go to roughly 45,000, if you include the
Anagignoskomena.
> 5- Numbering each verse, but keying the numbers by book, say Exodus verse
> 750, 751, 752, etc.
The issue here is keeping the versification schemes straight.
Granted, regardless of approach, it is an issue. With this approach,
you'd need at least two lookup tables to correctly correlate verses
to each other. (One table is book, verse number. The other table is
book, chapter, verse number.)
jonathon
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Re: [sword-devel] website translation
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 04:48, Chris Little wrote: > Is this a useful addition or a bad idea? If the former, I can work on > expanding it to work with the rest of the site. Call it a tossup. It is better than nothing, but the translations are as often incredibly bad, as they are roughly accurate. _Google Translate_ is slightly better than most of the free site translation tools, because the translations are based on alleged human translations of similar sentences, phrases, and groups of words. jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Windows users as "poor cousins"?
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 15:07, Jonathan Marsden wrote: > I suggest that this is a clear sign that today's Linux distros do not expect > their users to be experienced in downloading and compiling tarballs at a > command line in order to install software :) I'd go further and suggest that Linux users are actively discouraged from compiling tarballs, unless they are also programmers. As Linux migration into the corporate desktop spreads, this "do not compile tarballs" directive gets incorporated into company policy, which users incorporate into how they use their home computers. > The direct equivalent in Linux is a binary .deb or a .rpm for ones own > distribution (most commonly found in the repos for ones own distribution > rather than elsewhere, to avoid dependency issues or trojans). This is how > software is expected in Linux, in 2009. I think it goes further than avoiding trojans or dependency issues. Rather, in today's climate, "computer literacy" is correlated with "knowing how to use a specific set of programs used at work". It is unrelated to programming knowledge. jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] PySword
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 00:41, Ben Morgan wrote: > The latter is a pure-python implementation of a zText reader. > Neither are frontends, but libraries. Thanks. I didn't realize that they were libraries. That actually makes them better for the utility program I was asked about. jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
[sword-devel] PySword
All: I found a project named pysword at sourceforge (http://sourceforge.net/projects/pysword/) and another project named pysword at http://github.com/kcarnold/pysword. Is the latter a continuation of the former, or something completely different from the former? Both purport to be front ends for The Sword Project, written in python. jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Bible-Discovery - non-free program using SWORD modules
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 04:04, Chris Little wrote: > from The SWORD Project, but none more completely obviously than the Robinson > morphology codes module. The one obtainable from e-Sword.net was created from scratch. The other one is in Spanish. (I don't currently have it installed. However, I'm fairly confident that the group that created it, did credit their source.) > All copies of the Robinson database derive from CrossWire's module. I know > this because I created it out of whole cloth (plus a dash of Perl). Unless you claiming that you created the database that Robinson distributes, which claims to be public domain, and lacks any attribution to The Cross Bible Society, then not all copies of Robinson's database were created by you. jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Bible-Discovery - non-free program using SWORD modules
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 20:27, Chris Little wrote: > say for the content we produced that inexplicably (without permission, > notice, or credit given) has found its way into e-Sword. What resources are you claiming migrated to e-Sword, from _The Sword Project_ without the appropriate credit? jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Branching subversion and logging (technical questions!)
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 06:26, Chris Burrell wrote: >but given we want to tie resources to their bible passages (for eg. looking up >geographical and historical information linked to a passage that the user is >currently viewing), Depending upon precisely what means, it could require nothing more than a small (less than twenty line) patch to the Sword API, or it could be as major as rewritng the entire code base, to add the ability to view audio, graphics, video, etc from within the program, without using any other tools. >the STEP (sorry that's the name of the project - Scripture Tools for Every >Pastor) One potential issue with that name, is that it can be easily confused with the Bible Software file format. jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Often-requested yet never-available Bibles
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 21:45, Jim Kinsman wrote: > I don't see the problem in allowing compatibility for e-sword modules, they > are just an access database password protected, e-Sword doesn't use MS Access. I'll skip the rest o f the reasons why using e-Sword is a bad idea. jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Often-requested yet never-available Bibles
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 20:25, Karl Kleinpaste wrote: > because (for no good reason I can fathom) eSword has managed to convince > *ALL* a) You may not realize it, but over 50% of the user created resources that are distributed for e-Sword, are being distributed in violation of copyright, EULAs, and other Intellectual Property Rights; b) Since roughly 2003, e-Sword and/or Pocket e-Sword tend to come at the top of the list, in terms of popularity of gratis Bible Study Software. For the Commercial Bible Study Software companies, _The Sword Project_, as a whole doesn't register. If any specific front end registers on their radar, it is only as blip out there, doing nothing in their market. e-Sword, OTOH, is perceived as a marketing threat. One of the oddities is that despite the different niches that the commercial Bible Study Software programs occupy, their fear is that e-Sword will add components/tools that are "almost good enough", and as such, remove their "low end" clients", leaving them chasing a market further and further up the product chain. IOW, with _The Sword Project_, there is no digital tipping point. With e-Sword, the digital tipping point is too close for comfort. (This is as true, if not more true for Logos, than it is for any other Bible Study Software program. That Logos has far more components than e-Sword will have, is utterly irrelevant.) > the publishers of interest to publish in that format. If any organization has "publishers of interest" locked up, it is Libronox Digital Library Systems. Truth is, Bob has hired people with an extensive array of contacts in the publishing world, and has also made Logos the premium Windows Bible Study Program. That combination looks very attractive to publishers. When their Mac offering is better than Accordance, they will be even more attractive to publishers. > Why can't we in this project get that kind of publisher respect? Obviously my perspective is biased. The biggest factors I see are: * How the different organizations handle money; * Closed source versus Open Source; * Demographics; * Downloaded copies, and percieved market penetration; > What is it about the possibility of Sword module production that so repulses >publishers? a) Open Source Software scares content owners. Their understanding is that open source means that their content will be distributed to all and sundry, with _no_ financial, or other benefit to the original content owner; b) The publishing world is based very much on who knows you. If you don't have an extensive network in that industry, you won't get anywhere. If you do have an extensive network, you might get somewhere; jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] SWORD 1.6.x Localization (Ps 151)
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 01:42, Greg Hellings wrote: > as it is in my NRSV, as are 148-150. There is no mention of 151, but I have > no idea if it's one of the ones sort of wedged into their otherwise strange > versification. There are two major v11n schemes for Psalms. The one that Jews use, and the one that Protestants use. The Jerusalem Bible lists both v11n schemes. Psalm is not part of either v11n scheme. > Esther starts with Chapter 1 verses 1a through 1r which are also Any book that starts with Chapter 11 verse 2, and ends with Chapter 11, verse 1, with fifteen chapters between those two verses is going to be a problem. > Hosea presents its own challenge to the codifier where my print There are a couple of other books where the Jerusalem Bible uses its own v11n scheme --- one that is not congruent with the Vulgate, LXX, DR, Masoretic, or KJV. > There seems to be no mention of the "Book of Odes" or other similar works in > the Jerusalem Bible, nor the prayer of Manasseh. Neither of those books are considered to be useful, much less canonical, in Catholic Christianity. You won't find them in Catholic Bibles. Prayer of Manasseh, 1 Esdras, and 2 Esdras are found in Anglican Bibles --- those three books are canonical for the Church of England. As a general rule of thumb, Prayer of Manasseh is only includes in 2 Chronicles, in Bibles that include _The Ethiopiac Canon of Eighty One_. > but I think there's miles and miles to go before we can properly support a > canon like the JB. The Jerusalem Bible is pretty easy to support. The Ethiopiac Canon of Eighty One is far more challenging. > I'd like to see it supported (and, consequently, a module of it be made >available), but I don't even know where to begin with something like this even >if the whole project was dedicated to supporting the JB directly! The "simplest" solution is to create a superset of v11n schemes, and assign a specific number to each verse in the superset. Then write mappings from each v11n scheme to the superset. All texts that call for Bibles need to provide both the v11n scheme, and the normal book, chapter, and verse. I'd also suggest throwing Bell, Sussanna, Song of the Three Young Men, and Greek Esther into books of their own. (If the Canon of 81 is supported, create1 Merqab, 2 Merqab, and 3 Merqab, in addition to the 1 mac, 2 mac, 3, Mac, and 4 Mac. Also create both epistle of Clement, and 1 Clement., The two texts are different. (I've forgotten which church canonised 1 Clement. Also need EpLao, and 3 Corinthians.) jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] MS Office Add-in
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 14:31, Jeff Becker wrote: > My question is this: if you don't have it already would you be interested in > having an MS Office Add-in that would give users easy access to Sword content > from within MS Word, etc? Would it be possible to port it to OOo, supporting all platforms that OOo runs on? jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Making Import Easier
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 02:39, Matthew Talbert wrote: > I was merely going off what I have read in the archives, including this: If you had read the archives, you'd realize that the issue is supporting invalid/malformed markup that resources creators use. In as much as invalid markup can cause the rendering engine to choke, requiring the resource creator to be able to create a valid OSIS or ThML document by hand, was the simplest choice to make back in 2003. (Why spend hours coding stuff to fix errors that never should have been made in the first place?) Since 2003, tools have appeared, that will find,and correct _most_ malformed and/or invalid markup. (With the right extension, one can create their content using OpenOffice.org, and export a theoretically valid OSIS document. A different extension enables one to export a theoretically valid ThML document, from OOo.) Of course, making things easy for users to create Bible Study modules is a trade off of resources for the development team. In an ideal world, the casual end-user will read _all_ of the documentation before creating their resource. In the real world, they might start reading it after having to fix umpteen things to get their resource to be usable in their Bible study program of choice. jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] e-Sword support by The Sword Project
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 17:40, Greg Hellings wrote: > What is being talked about is patching an open source library into the SWORD > library to support yet another document format on disk. The e-Sword EULA specifically prohibits reverse engineering. For the resource types whose specifications have not been officially released by e-Sword, the only way to obtain them is by reverse engineering. (Which also involves a technical DMCA violation.) There is also the issue of presentation markup. (I'm assuming you know that e-Sword resources are in a relational database, and that it doesn't use XML.) >or use texts which have copyright specifications stating they are only allowed >to be accessed through e-Sword. In principle, that applies to everything at eStudySource and e-Sword-net. That is the expectation at e-sword-users. >This is not something the SWORD Project is responsible to police for its users. "Contributory copyright infringement" to quote the lawyer that discussed the issue with me. (Granted, it was in reference to another program. But _The Sword Project_ developers would be in the same situation as the developers of that program.) > I would hate for someone to go to all the work of making SWORD compatible > with e-Sword modules and fight the legal battle, only to engender bad > feelings between Rick and CrossWire. Whilst I can't speak for Rick, based on his reaction to other Bible Study programs that can read e-Sword resources, I think I can safely say that Rick will consider it, at a minimum, to be a EULA violation. > And if our software is compatible, _If_. You might not realize it, but there are enough differences in the resource specifications for the different versions of e-Sword, that resources created for one version won't behave the same way in a different version of e-Sword. (Whilst the differences are usually subtle, they can be enough to change something that is displayed in Windows, so that it not be displayed under either WINE, or CrossOver.) There is also the issue of user created resources that don't adhere to the published specifications of the resources types that are "open". Under some situations, these can destabilize e-Sword. What they will do to a third party application is anybody's guess. (Based on experience, they are as likely to crash the third party application, as not.) > then at least the questions of, "Why can't I see my e-Sword modules in > " are answerable in a more user-friendly way: you can. > If they are crooning about problems in the module, we can point them back to >the actual e-Sword site, or we can report the problems ourselves. That _might_ work for resources from e-sword.net, or estudysource, or e-sword-users.org. I doubt it will work for resources from other sites. ### It would be much smarter for the project to either convert the resources for e-Sword that can be legally redistributed, and whose license allows for format shifting, or request permission from copyright holders to provide content in The Sword Project file formats, than spend time writing a patch to the Sword Project API, that enables it to read e-Sword resources. FWIW, I'd be willing to help in both identifying, and migrating the e-Sword resources that can be legally redistributed, and format shifted. jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Other libraries
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:30, Andrew Greig wrote: This email arrived in my gmail account today (6 April 2009) >> In general we do not import from e-sword and have also no documentation for >> that available. There is some documentation, that describes how to importing e-Sword resources into _The Sword Project_ resources. I don't have the URLs for either the utility programs, or the documentation. I _think_ Andrew wrote the following: >if it could be possible to download a Paid for Bible from the e-Sword >repository? Converting the commercially distributed e-Sword resources to the format used by the Sword Project would be a technical DMCA violation. > I imagined that the e-Sword (Windows) program was drawing on the sword > libraries, e-Sword does not use any libraries from The Sword Project. ( e-Sword and The Sword Project use different presentation markup languages and different format types for their resources. (One of the front ends of The Sword Project does use the same programming language as e-Sword. That is about as close as they get.) ) > could be purchased for e-Sword, I naturally thought that there may have been > a way to sell them to Linux users as well. Equipping Ministries has to negotiate one license for e-Sword, and a second license for Pocket e-Sword. For a native Linux application, they probably would have to negotiate a third license. As far as negotiation for a license for/on behalf of _The Sword Project_ goes, AFAIK, nobody has asked them to that. Were they to do that, my guess is that they would set up a new site just for _The Sword Project_ resources. > I understand that Open Source means that apart from the software making the > source code available, in many cases it is also free as in gratis, Open Source is about libre, not gratis. Distribution that is gratis, is a side-effect of it being libre. > Is there any relationship (other than the blood of Christ) between the > e-Sword project and the Sword Project? Historically, no. There are several fundamental differences in their respective outlook on the "best" way to code Bible Study software. >Does the Crosswire Bible Society intend to have a range of translations >available for sale? The intention is there. Getting permission from publishers to distribute their content, can be a long, arduous process. Once one has permission, one then has to convert the files they send, to the format that the software can use. Unfortunately, publishers don't always send the files, when they send the permission, or even when they send emails saying that the files are on their way via snailmail/FedEx/etc. I've forgotten which program it was, but it migrated from a FLOSS license, to closed source, proprietary, because that was the only way it could get permission to distribute some of the more recent resources that its users requested. jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Fwd: [Pkg-crosswire-devel] Beta SWORD modules StrongsGreek.zip and HunKar.zip - are zero length?
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 14:56, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: >> BTW, Jonathan requested to be subscribed to sword-devel but his request was >> never approved. FWIW, sometime in November or December, I was unsubscribed from at least half a dozen Crosswire lists - including sword-devel. (I don't have an exact date, because I never received a notice that I had been unsubscribed from any of them. Whilst I noticed the drop off emails, I attributed it to seasonal fluctuations.) jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] e-Sword support by The Sword Project
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 15:35, Greg Hellings wrote: > Any particular reason you recommend so strongly against it? The major reasons are: * Copyright issues; * EULA violations; A minor reason is that it further adds to the confusion between e-Sword, and _The Sword Project_. ( I've lost count of the number of times I've read "I use the Mac version of e-Sword --- MacSword", or "I use the Linux version of e-Sword --- GnomeSword." ) Matthew wrote:; > claiming other developers were already being targeted That was a reference to developers of software that is not being produced by _The Sword Project_, and the potential consequences to _The Sword Project_, if they (The Sword Project developers) followed suit. jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
[sword-devel] e-Sword support by The Sword Project
All: I just found the following thread: http://groups.google.com/group/sword-frontend-developers/browse_thread/thread/3698455e2c4a22e8 Whilst I can understand why supporting e-Sword sounds like a good idea, I _VERY_ strongly recommend that it not be done. jonathon -- The court in the southern city of Shenzhen on Wednesday sentenced 11 people to jail terms of up to six-and-a-half years for making high-quality counterfeit software that was sold in 36 countries, Microsoft said in a statement. The first clue that genuine Microsoft products were not being offered, was that it was "high quality software". ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] The Sword Project on OpenSolaris
On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 21:16, Greg Hellings wrote: > The pkg-get packages from CSW have gnome in them. Version 2.22 is in the > repository. If you use the packages from sunfreeware.com, they have most of I'll try that out, then. > As an aside to the original poster - why are you interested in non-Java > clients, when Java is the main thrust behind the Solaris desktop? I've come to prefer the original Unix philosophy. xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
[sword-devel] The Sword Project on OpenSolaris
All: Has anybody done any work on creating a Sword Project front end that runs on OpenSolaris? Something that doesn't use JAVA. (I know it is supposed to be for servers, but it has some interesting possibilities for the computer user at home.) xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Biblemapper (on Wine Application Database)
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 11:31, SonWon wrote: > Come on everyone vote we are up to 6 now! I cna't find where to vote. :( xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Biblemapper (on Wine Application Database)
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 11:01, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > as we liked. Trouble is it does not run on Wine/Linux. What happened when you tried to install it? > The wine application database works on the basis of votes. URL is http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=8348 > useful application and could be put to an enormous range of secular tasks too. I was thinking of its usefulness in a project I';d like to do --- a map for every verse of the Bible. xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] GnomeSword 2.4 released
On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 20:27, Karl Kleinpaste wrote: > http://gnomesword.sourceforge.net/ http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=5528&package_id=104941&release_id=617337 just has 2.3.6. Or have I missed something blazingly obvious. Is this 32 bit or 64 bit? xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
[sword-devel] Announcing BibleTech:2009!
All: I haven't seen this on the Sword Developers list yet. I attended it last year, and found it worthwhile. Below is the announcement of BibleTech:2009 from the Logos Blog: Back in January Logos hosted BibleTech:2008. BibleTech is a conference for people interested in the intersection of the Bible and technology. We were blown away by the result of this conference this year. The presentations were pertinent and timely, and the networking opportunities were absolutely priceless. And BibleTech:2008 participants were nearly unanimous in wanting to make this conference an annual event. So we're happy to be announcing BibleTech:2009! The conference will take place on Friday, March 27 and Saturday, March 28 in scenic Seattle, WA. Please mark your calendars and plan to attend! We are anticipating a bigger turnout with an even better outcome than last year. BibleTech is geared for anyone with specialization, or serious interest, in the intersection of Bible study and technology. If you are involved in web design, software development, open source programming, biblical language or Bible study software development—or even if you are simply interested in the latest news from this incredible field and want to meet the people who make it all happen—plan to join us at BibleTech:2009. We are now accepting proposals for conference presentations. If Bible and technology are your specialties, we invite you to submit a proposal. We have updated the conference website. For the latest information, including a list of past presenters, visit http://www.bibletechconference.com/. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] New OSIS chapter/verse checking utility
rite quoted material. >and other markup, What other markup are you wanting? I've got a "Bible" that consists of nothing but Greek Strong's Numbers (OT & NT), and a second one that is Hebrew Strong's Numbers (OT only). xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] SwordReader Feature List
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 7:06 AM, Albert L. Sites, Sr. wrote: > Are there people with no vision that use Windows Mobile? I thought the PDA that my housemate uses ran Windows Mobile, but I've just been informed that it uses Windows CE. > Any cell phones they use are simple ones. How "simple' the cell phone that is used, depends upon the speech engine it has. (My housemate uses the GPS in the cell phone to tell drivers where they should have turned.) > The screen readers would also have problems directing them where to tap the > touch screen. This gets into a11y design. I don't know how it is done, but I've seen touchscreens that can be used with people with no vision, with no issues. (Next time I see one of those being used, I'll take a look at the screen changes, to figure out what/how it is done.) xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] SwordReader Feature List
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Eeli Kaikkonen wrote: >> > Don't use colours colour blind people will be unable to distinguish >> > between :). > Using colors is OK as long you don't use red/green combination. The more significant issue is with people who have no vision. Screen readers don't state the colour of the text. > everywhere in user interfaces and are not discouraged by UI experts. > They just have to be used correctly. Which gets back to the issue of an a11y way to differentiate between the OT, NT, and Deuterocanonical material. xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Bible Publishers Sued for References to Homosexuality!
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 7:30 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > Last night when I looked at that, it seemed that a) the court case has collapsed http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=338 is a blog discussing the translation and has a copy of both complaints. http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-miedce/case_no-2:2008cv12572/case_id-231305/ Bradley LaShawn Fowler v Thomas Nelson Publishing Case Number:2:2008cv12572 Filed: June 17, 2008 http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-miedce/case_no-2:2008cv12889/case_id-231727/ Bradley LaShawn Fowler vZondervan Publishing House Corporation LLC Case Number:2:2008cv12889 Filed: July 7, 2008 xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Copyright status of resources
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 10:58 PM, Chris Little wrote: > It says it is copyrighted... Thanks. > in the DistributionLicense field of the associated .conf files. OK, I'll tell the person that asked me, where to locate the copyright info. xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Copyright status of resources
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Wolfgang Schultz wrote: > so where? In the appropriate place, which is not this list. AFAIK, discussion about software that is not part of The Sword Project is off topic for this list. xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Copyright status of resources
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Wolfgang Schultz wrote: > > i think YOU should first answer questions which are YOU be asked before you > have the right to ask questions about copyright I did answer that question. xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
[sword-devel] Copyright status of resources
All: I've just been asked about the copyright status of the following resources created by _The Sword Project_ * Hebrew to Greek Dictionary of Septuagint Words * Greek to Hebrew Dictionary of Septuagint Words a) What is the copyright status of those resources; b) Where is it found, so I can tell the person who asked me where to look to get the copyright status of resources created by _The Sword Project_; xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Cross-references module
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Manfred Bergmann wrote: > The data should look like this: > : > I thought that was what you were asking for. At BibleTech 2008, there was a talk on generating cross-references. I can't find my handout of it, nor my notes. :( Going memory, the "simple" way is: Start with the PD version of _Naves Topical Bible_. * Convert the topical references to book, chapter, and verse, * At each BCV entry, list the topic, and other entries and source. Take the PD version of _Treasury of Scripture Knowledge_ * Convert the references to book, chapter, and verse, * At each BCV entry, list the topic, and other entries and source. Merge these two documents together, (the topical bible cross-reference); Create a concordance of the LXX; * Delete Words that appear within one standard deviation of the expected, for each book; * Convert the remaining words to BCV references; * At each BCV entry, list the word, and other entries and source. Create a concordance of the MT; * Delete words that appear within two standard deviation of the expected, for each book; * Convert the remaining words to BCV references; * At each BCV entry, list the word, and other entries and source. Create a concordance of (pick your Public Domain) Greek New testament; * Delete Words that appear within one standard deviation of the expected, for each book; * Convert the remaining words to BCV references; * At each BCV entry, list the word, and other entries and source. Merge these three concordances together. (The significant word concordance); Create a three word phrase concordance of the LXX; Create a three word phrase concordance of the MT; Create a three word phrase concordance of (pick your Public Domain) Greek New testament; Merge these three concordances together. (The three word phrase concordance); Merge these three documents together; (Topical bible cross-reference, significant word concordance, three phrase word concordance.) Supplement by adding list of people, places, and objects to your cross-reference database; Supplement by adding OT quotes in the NT. Supplement by adding OT allusions in the NT. (Don't forget to list the NT reference in the OT.) The talk mentioned a couple of other techniques that could be used to generate cross-references. I forgot that Google was my friend. http://www.supakoo.com/rick/ricoblog/content/binary/Rick%20Brannan%20BibleTech2008.ppt is a powerpoint presentation of that talk. xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Malachi 4 - was Bibles in Beta
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: >> The last verse of many chapters is missing. >> Malachi 4 is missing from many Bibles. > I just checked out a printed French Bible: > KJV scheme Malachi 4 is expressed as Malachi 3:19-24. Do the beta testing tools state the number of verses in the text? If not, can that be added to the checking that is done. AV v11n has 31102 verses in the Protestant Canon. Somewhere I have a list of the number of verses for most v11n schemes, for the Protestant Canon. xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
[sword-devel] Project status
All: Browsing Sourceforge, I found the following projects: * SwordModuleCreator * jianzidian * Dreambeam * irenaeus As best as I can tell, there has been no activity in the last three years. What is their official status? xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Oblique type and italic type (as used in the NKJV)
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 8:21 AM, David Haslam wrote: > Suppose we were faced with a SWORD module which contained the same ambiguity? Oblique and italic are presentation markup. The ability to differentiate between those two typefaces depends upon the presentation markup language used, and the display engine used by the program. For example, both HTML and RTF have markup code for italic, but not for oblique. (The way to get oblique text using those presentation markup languages, is to specify a font that is available only in oblique.) > Does the OSIS markup cope with it? OSIS is is about structural markup, not presentation markup. xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] BPBible 0.3
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 8:34 PM, DM Smith wrote: > (Such as ISO-639 for languages). I'm not sure that even if such a notion > existed whether we could make it understandable to users.) What about using ISO 15924? http://unicode.org/iso15924/iso15924-codes.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_15924 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_15924_codes xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] behaviour on mailing list, copurights, sscraping, Hitler etc etc
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > I would in general prefer if a international project like Crosswire would > drive down in exactly the middle of the road, rather than trying to skirt the > sides and finding whatever loopholes there might be. I am sure I am not alone. +1 > Wrt 2) - we want to work together with copyright holders to and have to gain > a lot more from creating goodwill than by scraping a few websites. I'll just point out that it was only after the tools for scraping websites to create e-Sword resources were publicly withdrawn, did the International Bible Society allow the NIV to be distributed in e-Sword format. Several other publishers are looking at the behavior of e-Sword _users_ to decide whether or not to release their material for e-Sword. Let the Sword Project learn from the mistakes made by e-Sword. An active "no copyright infringement tolerated" policy is much better in the long run. xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] http://karl.kleinpaste.org/sword/scripts/ do not work with arabic life application bible
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 3:16 PM, John H. wrote: > I wouldn't? Are you aware of some other procedure by which I might get a > sword module other than scraping? a) The resource installation tool that is part of the CrossSword Project front ends can install resources; b) Creating your own original material; > inform me that he thought I may be breaking the law and that he > Technically, that is a copyright infringement. > > Please, again, point me to the state or federal(as this is copyright) > statute that you are relying on for this. What we seem to have here is USC Title 17 section 107 list the criteria used to determine if "fair use" apply: * Purpose; * Nature; * Amount; * Effect; A single verse can be enough to exceed that which is an acceptable amount. > I would also be quite interested in how crosswire might incur any liability > for what I proposed to do. Please reference the statute in your response. Conspiracy to commit copyright infringement would be the simplest to ensure convictions of everybody associated with the project. xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] http://karl.kleinpaste.org/sword/scripts/ do not work with arabic life application bible
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 2:41 PM, John H. wrote: >, instead of trying to ascertain whether I had a license to the software, If you had a legitimate license for the text, you would not be scraping it from the web. I don't know how to phrase it any simpler than that. The fact that you have a license for a text in one electronic format does not mean that you have a license to convert that text to a different format. > You're also saying that having a legal electronic license of a translation of > the bible, for use in esword, otherwise, means that I am breaking the law if > I copy and paste a verse from esword to wordpad on the same computer. Technically, that is a copyright infringement. > What he did, and what you are doing in defense of him, was and is wrong. Are you willing to pay all legal costs for the CrossWire Development Team if they are subject to either civil or criminal prosecution for things that are a direct result of your actions? xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] http://karl.kleinpaste.org/sword/scripts/ do not work with arabic life application bible
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 2:29 PM, John H. wrote: > I would encourage you also to read the terms of use here: I've read them. I've also read the cease and desist letters they sent out, because of webscraping on their website. xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] http://karl.kleinpaste.org/sword/scripts/ do not work with arabic life application bible
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 2:16 PM, John H. wrote: > I'm confused, do you think more than one company has a copyright of the NASB > or NRSV? The copyright holder licenses several organizations to distribute their product. > Does zondervan give out copyrights freely? Zondervan is a publisher, not the copyright holder. > Now what you are saying is people made an assumption, and a direct attack Web scraping is in and of itself a copyright violation. No assumption there. The only assumption here is your expectation of aid in the commission of a crime. xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] http://karl.kleinpaste.org/sword/scripts/ do not work with arabic life application bible
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 10:25 AM, John H. wrote: > is breaking the law when you apparently do not even understand the law You do realize that if you even accidentally distributed the resource you scraped, the CrossSword development team can be subject to conspiracy to criminal copyright charges, don't you? >You have no idea whether or not I have an electronic license for the life >application bible and simply want to use it in sword... y If you had a legitimate license for the life application bible as a Sword resource, you would also have the text in electronic format from the copyright holder to use as your source. You would not be scraping it off of a website. >I really would encourage you to read this again: >http://www.gospelcommunications.org/terms-of-use/ You also realize that they nearly lost their right to have any Bibles on their site, because of webscraping. The license you refer to, applies only to their original content. It does not apply to content whose copyright is held by other organizations. > You guys have honestly got to stop making such assumptions. You come in here asking how to do something that is a copyright violation, and expect people to not make the assumption that you want to do something illegal. xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] OpenScriptureFormats.org
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 1:07 PM, David Haslam wrote: > "the Ninth district of the US". Thanks. The District of the Ninth Federal Court. Major courts are located in: * San Francisco, CA * Pasadena, CA * Portland, OR * Seattle-Park Place, WA The court itself covers the following states: * Alaska; * Washington * Oregon; * Idaho; * Montana; * Nevada; * California; * Arizona; * Hawaii; * Guam; xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] OpenScriptureFormats.org
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Leandro DUTRA wrote: > Are these EULAs valid? In the Ninth district of the US, probably so. In the rest of the US, perhaps. In the rest of the world, probably not. In the EEC, not at all. xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] OpenScriptureFormats.org
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 7:41 AM, Daniel Holmlund wrote: > 1. Is there anybody else interested in this? I like the idea of a one stop site for all of the various Bible publishing formats. However, I do see some practical issues. The most significant being that most formats are covered by a EULA that prohibits reverse engineering. xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] prayer request
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 6:31 PM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: > I wouldn't have thought that Crosswire wanted to hold trademarks on > frontends developed by others, or even really be associated with them (apart > from the obvious providing of Sword). The reason for my asking about them, is because if they were trademarked, then it is a fairly simply task to have those domains handed over to Crosswire. xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] prayer request
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 5:03 PM, DM Smith wrote: > Please pray that bibledesktop.com, org, and net are not renewed. a) Is BibleDeskTop a registered trademark? b) Are all of the front ends registered as trademarks of CrossWire Bible Society? xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Making use of sword modules?
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Nathan Youngman wrote: > The iPhone doesn't have Core Data, but it does have SQLite, The prototype for another Bible Study Program uses SQLite as the database engine. I don't have a timeline on when --- or even if --- it will be released. > I imagine writing Bible software from scratch to be quite a lot of work... > depending of course what all the features you support If the database tables are properly designed, then the coding tends to be mere grunt work. David wrote: >which already identifies the iPhone as a desirable objective for possible port. There are umpteen existing Bible Study Program projects. In the long run, more resources will be available for the platform you port to, if you work with an existing project, rather than creating something from scratch. > If you feel able to collaborate, please consider joining this project. +1 In the world of consumer acceptance, the User Interface and the number (and type) of resources that are available, are of equal importance. xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Bible Software Review
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Chris Little wrote: >> I would have thought that e-Sword has more modules than we do. > We have 279 public + 50 beta = 329 modules on crosswire.org (some overlap > between the two, but it's minimal). I would estimate we will have about 60 > more within 2 months--some of it actually useful. > e-Sword offers 146 free native downloads + 6 STEP + 23 for purchase = 175 > total available. I didn't count the number of resources. I simply went by my memory of what I had installed for both programs from official resources. I knew that the number of official, and semi-official resources for e-Sword had dropped, but I didn't realize it had gone down by that much. > I would guess the other Jonathan's "e-Sword has thousands more than The SWORD > Project" anticipates the user's willingness to break the law The thousands does include pirated material. :( My current guesstimate is that 50% of the resources for e-Sword that are available from esnips.com are being distributed in violation of either their license, or copyright. That said, there are roughly 1,500 e-Sword user created resources that are not copyright violations. > by using the various programs for e-Sword that use scraping of BibleGateway, > Gospelcom, etc. The ability to scrape websites was removed from BeST in October 2007. Maintenance of BIT ended two or three years ago. The era of e-Sword utilities scraping websites lasted almost five years. >Aside from those, e-Sword does have a certain amount of nice ready-made >user-created content available that I'd love to make available, but I either >know or suspect that it is not legal to distribute (by us or them). At http://www.esnips.com/web/eSwordFAQs/ I have a set of PDFs with a prefix of "caem". This lists all of the e-Sword resources that are/were available when the document was updated. I'm slowly updating those documents to include copyright status. ### If anybody has any suggestions on how to reduce the number of e-Sword resources that are distributed in violation of copyright, or other Intellectual Property laws and licenses, I'd like to hear them. As the barrier for creating resources drops, so the incidence of distributing resources in violation of IP law increases. :( xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Bible Software Review
Jonathan Morgan wrote: >> I'm still pretty well certain that we have the widest selection of modules >> among free programs, too, so it's a bit annoying that programs who've copied >> our library got higher marks. It seems like we ought to get a little credit >> for the fact that The Word, e-Sword, Online Bible, and Zefania are all >> enjoying content that came from us. > I would have thought that e-Sword has more modules than we do. If user created resources are included, then e-Sword has thousands more than The Sword Project. If one just compares resources at e-sword.net and estudysource.com with those available for The Sword Project, then I think that it is a tie. Originally, I think the Online Bible was used for the source for free Bible Study programs. Then Sword Project resources were used. The current trend appears to be to use e-Sword resources. > Anyway, you can't really expect a person investigating the usefulness of > available software to determine whether it has been helped by the work of > others. True. > Again from the usability point of view, I claim that if a person cannot use a > feature, the fact that it is there does not help them. Cannot use the feature, or hasn't bothered to learn how to use the feature? xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Neural Networks and Optical Character Recognition
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 10:39 PM, DM Smith wrote: > If one were to "enhance" a work that is no longer copyrighted, one could > legitimately claim a copyright for the changes. In essence, that is why the UBS & NA Greek Texts are under copyright in Europe and the US, despite having identical text. > that publishers deliberately introduce changes that they are able to > identify as their own. I don't know if it is true or just hearsay. That is standard practice for map publishers. Note: I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice. xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Withdrawn SWORD modules?
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 8:49 PM, David Haslam wrote: > So maybe someone should dig a little deeper, to find out if they have a > proper procedure. A DMCA take down notice needs to be filed. The Sword Project might not be able to get a single resource taken down, but it could have the entire archive taken down. xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] On the topic of an iPhone front-end
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Nathan Youngman wrote: > storing data in the client-side SQLite database that the next version of > Mobile Safari (also in desktop Safari 3.1). I expect that may cause issues > as far as module distribution/licensing. SQLite is public domain, so what issues do you expect that to cause for distribution? xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] e-Sword
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 9:03 PM, David Trotz wrote: > e-sword. It is often mistaken for The SWORD Project. There was an "edit war" on that in one of the Wikipedia articles. xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] English Bible Versions
Barry wrote: > My initial comments: TEV and NRSV - both available in 66 book > versification, Catholic versification and 66 book + Apocrypha. This > does not warrant the note 'Catholic' against that versification as the A couple of weeks ago I stumbled across a web page that lists the textual differences between the NRSV-CE and NRSVA. Unfortunately, I didn't bookmark it. :( xan jonathon ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
