Re: [sword-devel] moving away from freenode
"All Freenode Channels and Users Gone" https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/o0263h/all_freenode_channels_and_users_gone/ She's dead, Jim: I can't login to freenode any longer with my usual name/password. I see that #sword and #xiphos already exist on irc.libera.chat; #sword appears to have been registered, but I can't do anything to make #xiphos official with ChanServ because one has to be a chanop to do that, and as long as people are in the channel and no one is op (i.e. someone entered the channel which created it, others joined, 1st person left so no chanop, and it hasn't been empty since), it's a no-man's land. #bibletime exists as well but just 1 person has been seen in it. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] moving away from freenode
On Sun, 30 May 2021 at 09:25, Loren Burkholder < computersemiexp...@outlook.com> wrote: > Why not do a massively bridged setup through Matrix? That way we could > have IRC/Matrix/XMPP/Discord/etc. accessibility to the same conversation. > > > ___ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > Ugh. I'd rather just stick to one platform. I tried matrix for a while, it got confusing as it was yet another client I had to keep track of: Skype, Discord, Zoom (no, not really, but you know what I mean), IRC or XMPP. I settled on IRC and Discord in the end. My NZD0.02 ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] moving away from freenode
Why not do a massively bridged setup through Matrix? That way we could have IRC/Matrix/XMPP/Discord/etc. accessibility to the same conversation. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] moving away from freenode
Caleb Maclennan writes: Personally I'd like to see the IRC channel survive and migrate to either Libera or OFTC. Both of those networks now have operational Matrix bridges. That brings three of the largest open chat platforms used for open source (Gitter, Matrix, & IRC) able to interact in the same channels seamlessly. This means end users can connect from any of hundreds of apps from web clients to terminal clients to native desktop apps to mobile apps. With bridging enabled all three ecosystems operate natively as if everybody was in the same place. +1 I'm in for keeping an IRC Channel. I'm using an XMPP server which provides an IRC Gateway. So I'm able to connect to IRC channels with any XMPP client (https://dino.im/ actually). I tried Matrix/element/fractal for a while but I prefer this setup. It has the double benefit of beeing fast and lightweight which is of great interest when you have a slooow Internet connection or running on batteries. -- Dom ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] moving away from freenode
Yes, the Freenode meltdown is *way* ahead of schedule. I've been
watching the train wreck from a safe distance and it's one of the most
reckless and wantonly irresponsible series of events I've witnessed in
internet history. In 2021 that's saying something. Everything there
needs to be evacuated post haste.
Personally I'd like to see the IRC channel survive and migrate to either
Libera or OFTC. Both of those networks now have operational Matrix
bridges. That brings three of the largest open chat platforms used for
open source (Gitter, Matrix, & IRC) able to interact in the same
channels seamlessly. This means end users can connect from any of
hundreds of apps from web clients to terminal clients to native desktop
apps to mobile apps. With bridging enabled all three ecosystems operate
natively as if everybody was in the same place.
Discord is a cool system, but it is a closed source platform and
relatively closed ecosystem. It is not easy to connect to from the
terminal, and the mobile app isn't something I'm going to leave running,
etc. Since there isn't much choice in apps I'm kind of stuck with their
version, which may or may not suite different needs. I've been okay with
it for special purposes like a conference, but find it too high friction
to stay connected indefinitely.
Caleb
P.S. I would suggest the same for #xiphos as well. Note #bibletime has
gone with OFTC.
On 2021-05-26 23:12, Karl Kleinpaste wrote:
https://twitter.com/nazunalika/status/1397632808458219522
(Context: For those unaware, Rocky Linux is a 1:1 replacement for
Centos, now that Centos 8 is in its premature last year, becoming a
"stream" release positioned between Fedora and RHEL, rather than in a
post-RHEL rebuild position.)
I was not aware until now that channels were being branded with "topic
violations," and then "seized" somehow. So it appears that the freenode
meltdown is proceeding ahead of expected pace. And it seemed previously
that opinion is widely that we should finish abandoning freenode in
favor of some{where,thing} else.
Personally I'm in favor of Discord, mostly from simple familiarity.
Any other concrete suggestions that folks would be interested in
bringing into existence promptly?
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Re: [sword-devel] moving away from freenode
> Personally I'm in favor of Discord, mostly from simple familiarity. > Any other concrete suggestions that folks would be interested in > bringing into existence promptly? Honestly, I would prefer a Matrix protocol system, if we're going to move away from IRC. From a freedom and ownership perspective, Discord is worse than Freenode. My 2c. -- Raoul Snyman signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] moving away from freenode
On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 6:24 AM Raoul Snyman wrote: > > Honestly, I would prefer a Matrix protocol system, if we're going to move > away > from IRC. From a freedom and ownership perspective, Discord is worse than > Freenode. > > I don't use IRC actively (actually the only time I was on the IRC channel of Sword it was through Matrix), but I can recommend Matrix as well: it is FOSS, supports self-hosting, e2e encryption, it's a modern architecture, has myriad of desktop/mobile clients, it has a very practical web interface as well, can be used for video/audio conferences, etc. etc. I checked Discord's privacy policy the other day: not the platform where anything sensitive should be discussed -- at least they communicate this in a transparent way. Kind regards, Kristof ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
[sword-devel] moving away from freenode
https://twitter.com/nazunalika/status/1397632808458219522
(Context: For those unaware, Rocky Linux is a 1:1 replacement for
Centos, now that Centos 8 is in its premature last year, becoming a
"stream" release positioned between Fedora and RHEL, rather than in a
post-RHEL rebuild position.)
I was not awareuntil now that channels were being branded with "topic
violations," and then "seized" somehow. So it appears that the freenode
meltdown is proceeding ahead of expected pace. And it seemed previously
that opinion is widely that we should finish abandoning freenode in
favor of some{where,thing} else.
Personally I'm in favor of Discord, mostly from simple familiarity.
Any other concrete suggestions that folks would be interested in
bringing into existence promptly?
___
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