Re: [sword-devel] Bishop for Android 1.0.7

[Karl Kleinpaste]

On 04/08/2018 10:29 PM, Vince LaRue wrote:
> Is there a way to install a module manually from a local source? (like
> Module Maintainer Mode in PocketSword) I'd like to be able to install
> a module that I've been working on for a friend who has an Android device.
I don't think Bishop provides this on its own, but you can copy in the
hard way, to InternalStorage/sword, as seen from e.g. File Manager or
any ftp client. ftp is how I initialized my module set on my Android.
> I also don't see an item on the Wiki page
> (https://wiki.crosswire.org/Choosing_a_SWORD_program) that indicates
> this support.
David added a column to the page for it ("B") but it's empty so far.
Troy should spend a little time filling it in.
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Re: [sword-devel] Bishop for Android 1.0.7

[David Haslam]

Vince,

The B for Bishop column was added very recently to the tables on the wiki page.

It's up to Troy and others to add the answers to this column.

I don't have a working Android device.

btw.  Has you friend used And Bible ?

Best regards, David

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On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 03:29, Vince LaRue  wrote:

> Hi Troy,
>
> Is there a way to install a module manually from a local source? (like Module 
> Maintainer Mode in PocketSword) I'd like to be able to install a module that 
> I've been working on for a friend who has an Android device.
>
> I also don't see an item on the Wiki page ( 
> https://wiki.crosswire.org/Choosing_a_SWORD_program) that indicates this 
> support. Maybe I don't know what I'm looking at.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Vince
>
> Karl Kleinpaste wrote:
>
>> On 03/27/2018 06:48 PM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
>>
>>> Let me know if 1.0.7 has troubles still on your 6.0 tablet.
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> OK, so hitting About didn't actually put the app into a hard lock-up. It 
>> just looked exactly like that, to the resolution of 50x of the typical time 
>> frame that Joe Average expects when asking for About.
>>
>> When I was getting this new tablet(*) configured, I copied my entire module 
>> set into it. There are 450+ Bibles in there, out of almost 800 total, and 
>> the About handler is going to the trouble to crawl around mods.d/*.conf for 
>> ALL of them. It takes upwards of half a minute, and previously I had killed 
>> it off after waiting maybe 10 or 15 seconds...because it looked like a hard 
>> lock-up when all I wanted was, you know, About. Then I set it down while 
>> "locked up," to start writing this email, and...
>>
>> E, OK, so Joe Average Android User is not going to have 450 Bibles 
>> installed. But as a matter of UI clarity, I'm unconvinced that reviewing the 
>> Description of every single installed Bible is particularly useful. A 
>> control to get that from a displayed Bible, or from a list of installed 
>> Bibles, would be preferable.
>>
>> --karl
>>
>> * Walmart special, last year's model, used mostly as a Kindle + social media 
>> device, website order only (no longer in stores):
>>
>> https://www.walmart.com/ip/RCA-Viking-Pro-10-1-Android-2-in-1-Tablet-32GB-Quad-Core/45804387
>>
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Re: [sword-devel] Bishop for Android 1.0.7

[Vince LaRue]

Hi Troy,

Is there a way to install a module manually from a local source? (like 
Module Maintainer Mode in PocketSword) I'd like to be able to install a 
module that I've been working on for a friend who has an Android device.


I also don't see an item on the Wiki page 
(https://wiki.crosswire.org/Choosing_a_SWORD_program) that indicates 
this support. Maybe I don't know what I'm looking at.


Thanks,

Vince

Karl Kleinpaste wrote:

On 03/27/2018 06:48 PM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:

Let me know if 1.0.7 has troubles still on your 6.0 tablet.




OK, so hitting About didn't /actually/ put the app into a hard 
lock-up. It just looked exactly like that, to the resolution of 50x of 
the typical time frame that Joe Average expects when asking for About.


When I was getting this new tablet(*) configured, I copied my entire 
module set into it. There are 450+ Bibles in there, out of almost 800 
total, and the About handler is going to the trouble to crawl around 
mods.d/*.conf for ALL of them. It takes upwards of half a minute, and 
previously I had killed it off after waiting maybe 10 or 15 
seconds...because it /looked/ like a hard lock-up when all I wanted 
was, you know, About. Then I set it down while "locked up," to start 
writing this email, and...


E, OK, so Joe Average Android User is not going to have 450 Bibles 
installed. But as a matter of UI clarity, I'm unconvinced that 
reviewing the Description of every single installed Bible is 
particularly useful. A control to get that from a displayed Bible, or 
from a list of installed Bibles, would be preferable.


--karl

* Walmart special, last year's model, used mostly as a Kindle + social 
media device, website order only (no longer in stores):

https://www.walmart.com/ip/RCA-Viking-Pro-10-1-Android-2-in-1-Tablet-32GB-Quad-Core/45804387
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Re: [sword-devel] Bishop for Android 1.0.7

[Karl Kleinpaste]

On 03/27/2018 06:48 PM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
> Let me know if 1.0.7 has troubles still on your 6.0 tablet.



OK, so hitting About didn't /actually/ put the app into a hard lock-up.
It just looked exactly like that, to the resolution of 50x of the
typical time frame that Joe Average expects when asking for About.

When I was getting this new tablet(*) configured, I copied my entire
module set into it. There are 450+ Bibles in there, out of almost 800
total, and the About handler is going to the trouble to crawl around
mods.d/*.conf for ALL of them. It takes upwards of half a minute, and
previously I had killed it off after waiting maybe 10 or 15
seconds...because it /looked/ like a hard lock-up when all I wanted was,
you know, About. Then I set it down while "locked up," to start writing
this email, and...

E, OK, so Joe Average Android User is not going to have 450 Bibles
installed. But as a matter of UI clarity, I'm unconvinced that reviewing
the Description of every single installed Bible is particularly useful.
A control to get that from a displayed Bible, or from a list of
installed Bibles, would be preferable.

--karl

* Walmart special, last year's model, used mostly as a Kindle + social
media device, website order only (no longer in stores):
  
https://www.walmart.com/ip/RCA-Viking-Pro-10-1-Android-2-in-1-Tablet-32GB-Quad-Core/45804387
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Re: [sword-devel] Bishop for Android 1.0.7

[Troy A. Griffitts]

I hadn't updated http://crosswire.org/bishop.apk with 1.0.7 previous. 
It is there now.

I could include the version date in the URL each time, but then it would
change, making it inconvenient to remember what's the latest URL.  I
suppose we could symlink it each time, but then it becomes a much more
complex release task than: scp bishop.apk crosswire.org:/html/


Let me know if 1.0.7 has troubles still on your 6.0 tablet.  I am
surprised to hear from you and MPJ on the older tablets.  I tested with
an emulator running Android 4.1 and on my TV, which runs something crazy
old and both worked after I reverted a few things (which I wouldn't have
expected to be 'new'):

Java:
c-tor JSONArray([])

JavaScript:
Array.prototype.includes -> Array.prototype.indexOf !== -1
Array.prototype.find -> Array.prototype.filter.shift

I did add the display of the .conf ShortPromo in the About box after the
about section of each module.  Could it be related to a specific module,
maybe?

Troy

On 03/27/2018 06:10 AM, Karl Kleinpaste wrote:
> 2 things:
> - it would be nice if the app's version stamp could be part of the
> downloaded filename, when accessing from crosswire, so we know if
> we're getting an update or if we already have that.
> - on my 6.0 tablet, "About" completely hangs the app -- just stops
> dead cold with the sidebar out.
>
>
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Re: [sword-devel] Bishop for Android 1.0.7

[Karl Kleinpaste]

2 things:
- it would be nice if the app's version stamp could be part of the
downloaded filename, when accessing from crosswire, so we know if we're
getting an update or if we already have that.
- on my 6.0 tablet, "About" completely hangs the app -- just stops dead
cold with the sidebar out.
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Re: [sword-devel] Bishop for Android 1.0.7

[Michael Johnson]

You are welcome.
1.0.7 got farther on the old Android tablet. I was able to slide the menu out 
and change locations once. Then I tried to slide the menu out again, and it 
slid out, but it was just a blank, gray rectangle with no controls on it. :-(

On 03/26/2018 11:48 AM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
> Thanks for testing on older devices, Michael,
>
> It's a wonder what doesn't work.  I've fired up an old emulator and
> think the log is clear now of errors.  Please let me know how 1.0.7
> does.  Just pushed to the store.
>
>
> On 03/25/2018 05:22 PM, Michael Johnson wrote:
>> Alas, on my Acer Android 4.4.2 tablet, after the basic install, the menu 
>> icon fails to respond to a tap. This one is more of a problem. I don't see 
>> the same problem on my Motorola Android 7.1.1 phone, so it may be something 
>> to do with the older Android version. There are still a lot of older Android 
>> devices out there, and they usually can't be upgraded to newer versions of 
>> Android OS by average users.
>>
>>
>> On 03/26/2018 08:11 AM, Michael Johnson wrote:
>>> I just added the older Android tablet to the test set, with a fresh install 
>>> to verify that the basic set installation worked. It did. :-) I also did a 
>>> fresh install on iOS, and that worked. So far, so good...
>>>
>>> On 03/26/2018 08:06 AM, Michael Johnson wrote:
 Nice! Thank you, Troy!
 One tiny detail I noticed was a quick display of NaN% done while starting 
 a download. A conditional test for divide by zero might make that display 
 look a little more professional. (It seems to do no harm this way, and few 
 people would notice this, but I'm trained to pay attention to details.)

 I have loaded the new version on my iPhone, iPad, and Motorola Android 
 phone, and will be checking them out. The new icon is an improvement.

 On 03/26/2018 07:05 AM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
> OK, new Bishop 1.0.6 build for iOS is available and matches Android. 
> BibleSync on iOS is very untested as I don't have a device.  I wouldn't
> be surprised if turning it on crashed the app... but it's there in some
> infantile state.
>
> Also figured out how to add an icon :)  It's not the greatest.  I used
> the same icon from Android as both the icon and splash screen.  It looks
> pretty bad on the simulator, but at least it's not the Cordova blockhead.
>
> https://crosswire.org/bishop/manifest.plist
>
> https://crosswire.org/bishop.ipa
>
> Let me know if you have a chance to try.
>
> Troy
>
>
> On 03/25/2018 06:26 AM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
>> 1.0.6 has been pushed and includes:
>>
>> Better BibleSync support (thanks Karl!)
>>
>>     Allows on/off
>>
>>     New settings for BibleSync User Name and Passphrase
>>
>> Better Word Study support:
>>
>>     New setting to select Word Study module.
>>
>>     Any def modules work (previously was hardcoded to 'StrongsGreek' and
>> 'StrongsHebrew')
>>
>>     If either a Strongs Bible, Strongs Greek lex, or Strongs Hebrew lex
>> is not installed, now offers basic module set.  Not perfect, as it will
>> re-install modules in the basic set if they already exist, but not bad.
>>
>>
>> These haven't been pushed to Apple yet, as the java-jni bindings were
>> updated for both of these main features and thus the Swift bindings need
>> to come up to sync.
>>
>> Feedback welcome.  Blessings for your Sunday,
>>
>> Troy
>>
>>
>>
>> On 03/23/2018 05:12 AM, Michael Johnson wrote:
>>> On 03/23/2018 10:26 AM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
 ...
 Regarding anything left before promoting general usage...

 I still think one flaw to fix before promoting the app for general use
 is the warning when a module necessary for a function isn't installed.

 It's a pretty simple change.  When someone selects "Verse Study" / 
 "Word
 Study" and no Strongs lexicon is installed or no Bible module with
 Strongs is installed, then a popup suggesting to add the KJV +
 StrongsGreek + StrongsHebrew can be shown.

 Along with this though, I'd like to let the user choose which Greek and
 which Hebrew lexicon they would like to use.  I know the Xiphos repo 
 has
 something like StrongsRealGreek and StrongsRealHebrew and we also
 reference the Liddell-Scott from SWORDWeb, which could be a choice for
 online users... Probably others.  And with those selection options 
 under
 Settings, maybe we could add a Word Study Bible choice which let's a
 user pick, say the KJV as their Strongs Bible for word studies, but
 maybe they like to normally read a different Bible as their primary 
 text.

 Anway, the warning is a small change and I think