Re: [sword-devel] Missing verse in AndBible

[Michael H]

I should also disclaim, Today I reviewed "WEBBE with Deuterocanon OSIS" in
a text editor, and sample verified the missing verses in WEBC. There might
be slightly different complete list in WEBC than this.

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Michael H  wrote:

> The tag  probably is strictly allowed by OSIS in these locations.
>
> However, I personally consider whitespace after poetry part of the poetry,
> and therefore part of the verse, not interverse material. If that's what's
> going on (as it appears to be.)
>
> Either way, I think that's your bug although not confirmed whether it's in
> WEB USFX source, Hawiaiaia (I can never spell that right) or in ANDBIBLE.
> and there should be some easy workarounds possible in the meantime.
>
> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 5:09 PM, Michael H  wrote:
>
>> These 95 verses don't seem to appear in the WEBC module using ANDBIBLE.
>> (I only checked the first 10 or so...)
>>
>> There appears to be an interaction between your missing verses and the
>>   appearing after the end of the verse but before the end of the
>> chapter. Seeing that there's a high correlation, and no valid reason to
>> have a manual break tag after the end of the verse instead of before it. I
>> see many ways to resolve this without recoding ANDBIBLE.
>>
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>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Kahunapule Michael Johnson <
>> kahunap...@ebible.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/20/2016 11:46 PM, Matěj Cepl wrote:
>>> > OK, now finally to your original question. It's weird, but with
>>> > AndBible 2.5.1 (from the f-droid.org repository) and WEB module
>>> > (in the American spelling, just WEB, not any of the modified
>>> > modules, right now downloaded from the Sword repository), I see
>>> > Wis 16:1 quite clearly (actually, better than in Xiphos, where
>>> > I was not able to find out how to select non-canonical book).
>>> >
>>> > May we get the case of the corrupted download here?
>>>
>>> So, where did Wisdom 16:29 from engWEB2015eb go in AndBible? This also
>>> affects the British/International and Catholic Book order variants of the
>>> World English Bible, but does not affect the Tok Pisin Bible, which was
>>> made with the exact same tool chain. It also works OK with KJVD and KJVA.
>>> Could Wisdom 16:28 ending wit

Re: [sword-devel] Missing verse in AndBible

[Michael H]

The tag  probably is strictly allowed by OSIS in these locations.

However, I personally consider whitespace after poetry part of the poetry,
and therefore part of the verse, not interverse material. If that's what's
going on (as it appears to be.)

Either way, I think that's your bug although not confirmed whether it's in
WEB USFX source, Hawiaiaia (I can never spell that right) or in ANDBIBLE.
and there should be some easy workarounds possible in the meantime.

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 5:09 PM, Michael H  wrote:

> These 95 verses don't seem to appear in the WEBC module using ANDBIBLE. (I
> only checked the first 10 or so...)
>
> There appears to be an interaction between your missing verses and the
>   appearing after the end of the verse but before the end of the
> chapter. Seeing that there's a high correlation, and no valid reason to
> have a manual break tag after the end of the verse instead of before it. I
> see many ways to resolve this without recoding ANDBIBLE.
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> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Kahunapule Michael Johnson <
> kahunap...@ebible.org> wrote:
>
>> On 05/20/2016 11:46 PM, Matěj Cepl wrote:
>> > OK, now finally to your original question. It's weird, but with
>> > AndBible 2.5.1 (from the f-droid.org repository) and WEB module
>> > (in the American spelling, just WEB, not any of the modified
>> > modules, right now downloaded from the Sword repository), I see
>> > Wis 16:1 quite clearly (actually, better than in Xiphos, where
>> > I was not able to find out how to select non-canonical book).
>> >
>> > May we get the case of the corrupted download here?
>>
>> So, where did Wisdom 16:29 from engWEB2015eb go in AndBible? This also
>> affects the British/International and Catholic Book order variants of the
>> World English Bible, but does not affect the Tok Pisin Bible, which was
>> made with the exact same tool chain. It also works OK with KJVD and KJVA.
>> Could Wisdom 16:28 ending with a colon instead of a period possibly trigger
>> a bug?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Aloha,
>> /Kahunapule Michael Johnson/
>>
>> *MICHAEL JOHNSON
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Re: [sword-devel] Missing verse in AndBible

[Michael H]

These 95 verses don't seem to appear in the WEBC module using ANDBIBLE. (I
only checked the first 10 or so...)

There appears to be an interaction between your missing verses and the   appearing after the end of the verse but before the end of the chapter.
Seeing that there's a high correlation, and no valid reason to have a
manual break tag after the end of the verse instead of before it. I see
many ways to resolve this without recoding ANDBIBLE.

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On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Kahunapule Michael Johnson <
kahunap...@ebible.org> wrote:

> On 05/20/2016 11:46 PM, Matěj Cepl wrote:
> > OK, now finally to your original question. It's weird, but with
> > AndBible 2.5.1 (from the f-droid.org repository) and WEB module
> > (in the American spelling, just WEB, not any of the modified
> > modules, right now downloaded from the Sword repository), I see
> > Wis 16:1 quite clearly (actually, better than in Xiphos, where
> > I was not able to find out how to select non-canonical book).
> >
> > May we get the case of the corrupted download here?
>
> So, where did Wisdom 16:29 from engWEB2015eb go in AndBible? This also
> affects the British/International and Catholic Book order variants of the
> World English Bible, but does not affect the Tok Pisin Bible, which was
> made with the exact same tool chain. It also works OK with KJVD and KJVA.
> Could Wisdom 16:28 ending with a colon instead of a period possibly trigger
> a bug?
>
> --
>
> Aloha,
> /Kahunapule Michael Johnson/
>
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Re: [sword-devel] Missing verse in AndBible

[Kahunapule Michael Johnson]

On 05/20/2016 11:46 PM, Matěj Cepl wrote:
> OK, now finally to your original question. It's weird, but with 
> AndBible 2.5.1 (from the f-droid.org repository) and WEB module 
> (in the American spelling, just WEB, not any of the modified 
> modules, right now downloaded from the Sword repository), I see 
> Wis 16:1 quite clearly (actually, better than in Xiphos, where 
> I was not able to find out how to select non-canonical book).
>
> May we get the case of the corrupted download here?

So, where did Wisdom 16:29 from engWEB2015eb go in AndBible? This also affects 
the British/International and Catholic Book order variants of the World English 
Bible, but does not affect the Tok Pisin Bible, which was made with the exact 
same tool chain. It also works OK with KJVD and KJVA. Could Wisdom 16:28 ending 
with a colon instead of a period possibly trigger a bug?

-- 

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Re: [sword-devel] Missing verse in AndBible

[Kahunapule Michael Johnson]

The World English Bible with Apocrypha/Deuterocanon (engWEB2015eb) uses NRSVA 
versification. Wisdom 16:29 shouldn't disappear unless the versification 
doesn't support that chapter. I think you are right in that it is probably a 
JSword vs. SWORD (C++) issue. Either that, or it is a bug unique to AndBible.

On 05/21/2016 12:26 AM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
> This is just a guess, but I know AndBible uses JSword and Xiphos uses SWORD 
> (C++), so could there be a difference in the versification scheme between 
> SWORD and JSword? What v11n is the module using?
>
> On May 21, 2016 1:35:30 AM GMT+02:00, Kahunapule Michael Johnson 
>  wrote:
>
> See below:
>
> On 05/20/2016 11:11 AM, Matěj Cepl wrote:
>
> a) Please, do not send HTML-only messages to the list. In Thunderbird 
> go to Account Settings/Composition & Addressing and unclick "Compose messages 
> in HTML format, please", or at least in the Composer window set in Options / 
> Delivery Format / HTML & Plain Text. 
>
>
> I think I successfully set up delivery to crosswire.org 
>  addresses of both HTML and plain text alternate 
> formats in email. In the year 2016, insisting that only plain text messages 
> be sent to you is not a realistic expectation. All modern email clients send 
> HTML messages by default, and receive them without problems. Enough said.
>
> b) Concerning Wisdom 16:29, I don't understand it. I thought that 
> AndBible intentionally doesn't support deuterocanonical/apocryphal books 
> (http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.literature.sword.devel/25943). Or did the 
> author of AndBible gave up and it supports non-canonical books as well? 
>
>
> AndBible displays Deuterocanonical/Apocryphal books. There is a "+" icon 
> to get to them in the book selection screen. I'm not interested in a 
> theological debate about canonicity in this forum, since we serve and are 
> represented by a wide variety of church traditions. My question is why the 
> last verse of Wisdom 16 would be missing in AndBible, but not in other Sword 
> front ends, and what can be done to prevent that and similar omissions.
>
>
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Re: [sword-devel] Missing verse in AndBible

[Karl Kleinpaste]

On 05/21/2016 05:46 AM, Matěj Cepl wrote:
> I see 
> Wis 16:1 quite clearly (actually, better than in Xiphos, where 
> I was not able to find out how to select non-canonical book).
I have no idea what that means; with WEB ( engWEB2015) displayed, the
book pulldown shows all those available.

Any Xiphos 4.0.x does this, for any module providing deuterocanonical
content.
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Re: [sword-devel] Missing verse in AndBible

[Fr Cyrille]

Le 21/05/2016 10:46, Matěj Cepl a écrit :


OK, now finally to your original question. It's weird, but with
AndBible 2.5.1 (from the f-droid.org repository) and WEB module
(in the American spelling, just WEB, not any of the modified
modules, right now downloaded from the Sword repository), I see
Wis 16:1 quite clearly (actually, better than in Xiphos, where
I was not able to find out how to select non-canonical book).
If you want to find deuterocanonical books, you need the latest version 
of xiphos. If you use LInux you need to add the good repository.


May we get the case of the corrupted download here?

Matěj



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Re: [sword-devel] Missing verse in AndBible

[DM Smith]

Yesterday, I double checked Wisdom in all the versifications and chapter 16 had 
no problems. They all had 29 for the value.

If any v11n in JSword has a difference, it will be seen in all verses in the 
same “testament” after that point. (The apocrypha is placed not in it’s own 
testament but in either the OT or the NT. No examples today where it is in the 
NT, but it is allowed in the software.) There was no problem reported that 
Wisdom 17 was off. Or anything else subsequent in the OT.

BTW, If you diff the corresponding canon*h and System*.java, ignoring 
whitespace there will be no differences in the numbers. There will be lots of 
other differences, but the verse per chapter counts will be the same.

This is more likely an off by one error. What is confusing to me is why it only 
shows up in one module and in one chapter.

In Him,
DM

> On May 21, 2016, at 6:26 AM, Troy A. Griffitts  wrote:
> 
> This is just a guess, but I know AndBible uses JSword and Xiphos uses SWORD 
> (C++), so could there be a difference in the versification scheme between 
> SWORD and JSword? What v11n is the module using?
> 
> On May 21, 2016 1:35:30 AM GMT+02:00, Kahunapule Michael Johnson 
> mailto:kahunap...@ebible.org>> wrote:
> See below:
> 
> On 05/20/2016 11:11 AM, Matěj Cepl wrote:
>  a) Please, do not send HTML-only messages to the list. In 
>  Thunderbird go to Account Settings/Composition & Addressing and 
>  unclick "Compose messages in HTML format, please", or at least 
>  in the Composer window set in Options / Delivery Format / HTML 
>  & Plain Text.
> 
> I think I successfully set up delivery to crosswire.org 
>  addresses of both HTML and plain text alternate 
> formats in email. In the year 2016, insisting that only plain text messages 
> be sent to you is not a realistic expectation. All modern email clients send 
> HTML messages by default, and receive them without problems. Enough said.
> 
>  b) Concerning Wisdom 16:29, I don't understand it. I thought 
>  that AndBible intentionally doesn't support 
>  deuterocanonical/apocryphal books 
>  (http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.literature.sword.devel/25943 
> ).  
>  Or did the author of AndBible gave up and it supports 
>  non-canonical books as well?
> 
> AndBible displays Deuterocanonical/Apocryphal books. There is a "+" icon to 
> get to them in the book selection screen. I'm not interested in a theological 
> debate about canonicity in this forum, since we serve and are represented by 
> a wide variety of church traditions. My question is why the last verse of 
> Wisdom 16 would be missing in AndBible, but not in other Sword front ends, 
> and what can be done to prevent that and similar omissions.
> 
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Re: [sword-devel] Missing verse in AndBible

[Troy A. Griffitts]

This is just a guess, but I know AndBible uses JSword and Xiphos uses SWORD 
(C++), so could there be a difference in the versification scheme between SWORD 
and JSword? What v11n is the module using?

On May 21, 2016 1:35:30 AM GMT+02:00, Kahunapule Michael Johnson 
 wrote:
>See below:
>
>On 05/20/2016 11:11 AM, Matěj Cepl wrote:
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>
>I think I successfully set up delivery to crosswire.org addresses of
>both HTML and plain text alternate formats in email. In the year 2016,
>insisting that only plain text messages be sent to you is not a
>realistic expectation. All modern email clients send HTML messages by
>default, and receive them without problems. Enough said.
>
>> b) Concerning Wisdom 16:29, I don't understand it. I thought 
>> that AndBible intentionally doesn't support 
>> deuterocanonical/apocryphal books 
>> (http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.literature.sword.devel/25943).  
>> Or did the author of AndBible gave up and it supports 
>> non-canonical books as well?
>
>AndBible displays Deuterocanonical/Apocryphal books. There is a "+"
>icon to get to them in the book selection screen. I'm not interested in
>a theological debate about canonicity in this forum, since we serve and
>are represented by a wide variety of church traditions. My question is
>why the last verse of Wisdom 16 would be missing in AndBible, but not
>in other Sword front ends, and what can be done to prevent that and
>similar omissions.
>
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Re: [sword-devel] Missing verse in AndBible

[Matěj Cepl]

On 2016-05-20, 23:35 GMT, Kahunapule Michael Johnson wrote:
> I think I successfully set up delivery to crosswire.org 
> addresses of both HTML and plain text alternate formats in 
> email. In the year 2016, insisting that only plain text 
> messages be sent to you is not a realistic expectation. All 
> modern email clients send HTML messages by default, and 
> receive them without problems. Enough said.

But even in the year 2016 one can be considerate and send both 
HTML and plain text, which you did apparently, because I can 
read this message just fine now. Thank you.

> I'm not interested in a theological debate about canonicity in 
> this forum,

If you notice I was the one who was asking for apocryphal books, 
because readers of the Czech Bible modules are quite often 
Catholics. After all, theoretically, if anything, Czechia is 
predominantly Catholic country, and if one wants to improve 
Biblical literacy here (which I guess is the point of the whole 
Crosswire project), then inclusion of the deuterocanonical books 
makes a huge difference.

Having said that I will probably in desperation start to work on 
adding deuterocanonical books from whereever I find them as my 
personal project even before I get the permission from the Czech 
Bible Society (because by holding my breath waiting on their 
approval I got only blue in my face but not much anything else, 
I am afraid).

> variety of church traditions. My question is why the last 
> verse of Wisdom 16 would be missing in AndBible, but not in 
> other Sword front ends, and what can be done to prevent that 
> and similar omissions.

OK, now finally to your original question. It's weird, but with 
AndBible 2.5.1 (from the f-droid.org repository) and WEB module 
(in the American spelling, just WEB, not any of the modified 
modules, right now downloaded from the Sword repository), I see 
Wis 16:1 quite clearly (actually, better than in Xiphos, where 
I was not able to find out how to select non-canonical book).

May we get the case of the corrupted download here?

Matěj

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Re: [sword-devel] Missing verse in AndBible

[Kahunapule Michael Johnson]

See below:

On 05/20/2016 11:11 AM, Matěj Cepl wrote:
> a) Please, do not send HTML-only messages to the list. In 
> Thunderbird go to Account Settings/Composition & Addressing and 
> unclick "Compose messages in HTML format, please", or at least 
> in the Composer window set in Options / Delivery Format / HTML 
> & Plain Text.

I think I successfully set up delivery to crosswire.org addresses of both HTML 
and plain text alternate formats in email. In the year 2016, insisting that 
only plain text messages be sent to you is not a realistic expectation. All 
modern email clients send HTML messages by default, and receive them without 
problems. Enough said.

> b) Concerning Wisdom 16:29, I don't understand it. I thought 
> that AndBible intentionally doesn't support 
> deuterocanonical/apocryphal books 
> (http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.literature.sword.devel/25943).  
> Or did the author of AndBible gave up and it supports 
> non-canonical books as well?

AndBible displays Deuterocanonical/Apocryphal books. There is a "+" icon to get 
to them in the book selection screen. I'm not interested in a theological 
debate about canonicity in this forum, since we serve and are represented by a 
wide variety of church traditions. My question is why the last verse of Wisdom 
16 would be missing in AndBible, but not in other Sword front ends, and what 
can be done to prevent that and similar omissions.

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Aloha,
/Kahunapule Michael Johnson/

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Re: [sword-devel] Missing verse in AndBible

[Matěj Cepl]

On 2016-05-20, 18:40 GMT, Kahunapule Michael Johnson wrote:
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a) Please, do not send HTML-only messages to the list. In 
Thunderbird go to Account Settings/Composition & Addressing and 
unclick "Compose messages in HTML format, please", or at least 
in the Composer window set in Options / Delivery Format / HTML 
& Plain Text.

b) Concerning Wisdom 16:29, I don't understand it. I thought 
that AndBible intentionally doesn't support 
deuterocanonical/apocryphal books 
(http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.literature.sword.devel/25943).  
Or did the author of AndBible gave up and it supports 
non-canonical books as well?

Best,

Matěj
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