Re: [symfony-users] Symfony2 comments and questions
2010/7/11 Tarjei tar...@scanmine.com: 8. Forms One thing I see the form framework has addressed is grouping of fields. What I still miss is simple widgets for adding html around a set of elements or just at a point in the form. The purpose of the form framework is not to generate the HTML for the whole form, but just for single fields. You write the HTML in your template. Also I would like to see an easier way to manipulate the generated markup when you got embedded forms. As above, you write the HTML. You have all the power that you want. Bernhard -- If you want to report a vulnerability issue on symfony, please send it to security at symfony-project.com You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups symfony users group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to symfony-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en
Re: [symfony-users] Symfony2 comments and questions
On 7/11/10 1:17 PM, Tarjei wrote: Hi, here are my initial questions and comments regarding Symfony2. Wow, that's a lot of feedback! Thank you very much. My answers below.. 1. Deployment. Are you planning a .phar deployment solution where the src directory gets bundled up as a .phar file and distributed to the server? Have you though through the different deploments scenarios for bundles? Possibly. Packaging and distribution is something we will take care of late in the Symfony2 timeline as this orthogonal to everything else. How do you plan to handle images and javascripts packaged with bundles? There is a command to install them under the web/ root directory. 2. Filters A killer feature I miss is the old filters framework for requests. Should events be used in the future? Yep, we have events now. There are more flexible. 3. Names The console command should start with a letter that no other directory in the same directory starts with. I.e. not console and config as that would reduce the number of redundant hits to tab. Any idea? Also, I find the separation of templates into Resources/views a bit strange. Templates are a very important part of every webapplication and should be easier to find- I.e. they should have a toplevel directory in a bundle. The reasonning behind this decision is to put all non-classes into one directory (the Resources/ directory). It contains templates, config files, assets, ... 5. Routing. How does a bundles routing fit within the routing of a complete system? As I understand it, each bundle may be routed to a suburl where it then has complete control over the namespace, but also that you can route a single uri into a bundle. Is this essentially the idea? Correct 6. Status of the security features. symfony has a nice and ready security system based on credentials. Will this system be used, or are you planning something new? Has development of sfGuard for 2.0 started? We will of course have something... probably for Symfony2 PR3... but I'm getting ahead of myself here ;) When do you think the first version of the admin generator will show up? Not planned yet as we need everything else before even thinking about it. 7. Bundles I like the concept of bundles and how they work, but one thing I found confusing when reading through the documentation and the examples is the difference between a bundle in src\Bundle and src\Application. The difference should be explained somewhere. src\Bundle is for generic bundles not related to the application (think third-party bundles) src\Application is for bundles tied to the application (they cannot be reused) Another thing I think you'll want is a tool for creating / working with bundles and applications that is outside the application directory( i.e. a bit like mvn). That's possible. You can host bundles anywhere you want (just change the getBundleDirs() in your kernel so that Symfony2 can find them). Versioning of bundles is also something I think you'll want to add already now. Also a way to declare dependencies. That's part of the distribution process as you don't want to check dependencies at runtime. So, that's something that we will work on after the first beta. Fabien -- If you want to report a vulnerability issue on symfony, please send it to security at symfony-project.com You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups symfony users group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to symfony-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en
[symfony-users] Symfony2 comments and questions
Hi, here are my initial questions and comments regarding Symfony2. They have been written over a period of about a week as I evaluated if I wanted to try to use Symfony2 for a rewrite of an application I got. The comments are not prioritized and not perfectly organized. 1. Deployment. Are you planning a .phar deployment solution where the src directory gets bundled up as a .phar file and distributed to the server? Have you though through the different deploments scenarios for bundles? When looking at the directorystructure (i.e. web, src, appname ), it seems to me that I will usually want one maybe two apps linked in the same area - and be able to manage the dependencies of those apps together without messing with the dependencies of other applications. Thus you will usually have one toplevel directory for each application, and in production the web directory will be moved outside the toplevel directory. How do you plan to handle images and javascripts packaged with bundles? 2. Filters A killer feature I miss is the old filters framework for requests. Should events be used in the future? 3. Names The console command should start with a letter that no other directory in the same directory starts with. I.e. not console and config as that would reduce the number of redundant hits to tab. Also, I find the separation of templates into Resources/views a bit strange. Templates are a very important part of every webapplication and should be easier to find- I.e. they should have a toplevel directory in a bundle. 5. Routing. How does a bundles routing fit within the routing of a complete system? As I understand it, each bundle may be routed to a suburl where it then has complete control over the namespace, but also that you can route a single uri into a bundle. Is this essentially the idea? i (this seems to be mainly due to missing documentation). Something I would like is a simple page stating the directory layout of a single application for quick lookup. 6. Status of the security features. symfony has a nice and ready security system based on credentials. Will this system be used, or are you planning something new? Has development of sfGuard for 2.0 started? When do you think the first version of the admin generator will show up? 7. Bundles I like the concept of bundles and how they work, but one thing I found confusing when reading through the documentation and the examples is the difference between a bundle in src\Bundle and src\Application. The difference should be explained somewhere. Another thing I think you'll want is a tool for creating / working with bundles and applications that is outside the application directory( i.e. a bit like mvn). Versioning of bundles is also something I think you'll want to add already now. Also a way to declare dependencies. 8. Forms One thing I see the form framework has addressed is grouping of fields. What I still miss is simple widgets for adding html around a set of elements or just at a point in the form. Also I would like to see an easier way to manipulate the generated markup when you got embedded forms. The forms framework is the part I have looked only sparingly at so the comments are partly based on the 1.4 version and the weaknesses that I have seen there. I'm looking forward to the next versions of Symfony2, I think it is shaping up to be something special! Just wish annotations were a part of normal PHP so we didn't have to use comments :) Kind regards Tarjei -- If you want to report a vulnerability issue on symfony, please send it to security at symfony-project.com You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups symfony users group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to symfony-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en
Re: [symfony-users] Symfony2 comments and questions
+1 on GuardBundle/SecurityBundle :) On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Tarjei tar...@scanmine.com wrote: Hi, here are my initial questions and comments regarding Symfony2. They have been written over a period of about a week as I evaluated if I wanted to try to use Symfony2 for a rewrite of an application I got. The comments are not prioritized and not perfectly organized. 1. Deployment. Are you planning a .phar deployment solution where the src directory gets bundled up as a .phar file and distributed to the server? Have you though through the different deploments scenarios for bundles? When looking at the directorystructure (i.e. web, src, appname ), it seems to me that I will usually want one maybe two apps linked in the same area - and be able to manage the dependencies of those apps together without messing with the dependencies of other applications. Thus you will usually have one toplevel directory for each application, and in production the web directory will be moved outside the toplevel directory. How do you plan to handle images and javascripts packaged with bundles? 2. Filters A killer feature I miss is the old filters framework for requests. Should events be used in the future? 3. Names The console command should start with a letter that no other directory in the same directory starts with. I.e. not console and config as that would reduce the number of redundant hits to tab. Also, I find the separation of templates into Resources/views a bit strange. Templates are a very important part of every webapplication and should be easier to find- I.e. they should have a toplevel directory in a bundle. 5. Routing. How does a bundles routing fit within the routing of a complete system? As I understand it, each bundle may be routed to a suburl where it then has complete control over the namespace, but also that you can route a single uri into a bundle. Is this essentially the idea? i (this seems to be mainly due to missing documentation). Something I would like is a simple page stating the directory layout of a single application for quick lookup. 6. Status of the security features. symfony has a nice and ready security system based on credentials. Will this system be used, or are you planning something new? Has development of sfGuard for 2.0 started? When do you think the first version of the admin generator will show up? 7. Bundles I like the concept of bundles and how they work, but one thing I found confusing when reading through the documentation and the examples is the difference between a bundle in src\Bundle and src\Application. The difference should be explained somewhere. Another thing I think you'll want is a tool for creating / working with bundles and applications that is outside the application directory( i.e. a bit like mvn). Versioning of bundles is also something I think you'll want to add already now. Also a way to declare dependencies. 8. Forms One thing I see the form framework has addressed is grouping of fields. What I still miss is simple widgets for adding html around a set of elements or just at a point in the form. Also I would like to see an easier way to manipulate the generated markup when you got embedded forms. The forms framework is the part I have looked only sparingly at so the comments are partly based on the 1.4 version and the weaknesses that I have seen there. I'm looking forward to the next versions of Symfony2, I think it is shaping up to be something special! Just wish annotations were a part of normal PHP so we didn't have to use comments :) Kind regards Tarjei -- If you want to report a vulnerability issue on symfony, please send it to security at symfony-project.com You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups symfony users group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to symfony-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comsymfony-users%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en -- If you want to report a vulnerability issue on symfony, please send it to security at symfony-project.com You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups symfony users group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to symfony-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en
Re: [symfony-users] Symfony2 comments and questions
On 07/11/2010 06:53 AM, Alan Bem wrote: +1 on GuardBundle/SecurityBundle :) \ There is a version started already http://symfony2bundles.org/knplabs/DoctrineUserBundle -- If you want to report a vulnerability issue on symfony, please send it to security at symfony-project.com You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups symfony users group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to symfony-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en
Re: [symfony-users] Symfony2 comments and questions
I am aware of that bundle, and I like http://github.com/pminnieur/SecurityBundle better - it's more transparent and decoupled from Doctrine2. What I'm waiting for is some kind of official line about security bundle. On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Richard D Shank deve...@zestic.com wrote: On 07/11/2010 06:53 AM, Alan Bem wrote: +1 on GuardBundle/SecurityBundle :) \ There is a version started already http://symfony2bundles.org/knplabs/DoctrineUserBundle -- If you want to report a vulnerability issue on symfony, please send it to security at symfony-project.com You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups symfony users group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to symfony-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comsymfony-users%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en -- If you want to report a vulnerability issue on symfony, please send it to security at symfony-project.com You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups symfony users group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to symfony-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en
