Re: [systemd-devel] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1047614
Am 12.02.2014 21:19, schrieb Lennart Poettering: On Wed, 12.02.14 20:05, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) wrote: maybe systemd-upstream should consider slow down development and spend more energy in quality and stability Well, firstly, it's hardly your business how we spend our time looks like it's also not Linus business http://www.spinics.net/lists/kernel/msg1716484.html __ From: Linus Torvalds torvalds@ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 16:13:27 -0700 It does become a problem when you have a system service developer who thinks the universe revolves around him, and nobody else matters, and people sending him bug-reports are annoyances that should be ignored rather than acknowledged and fixed. At that point, it's a problem. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
[systemd-devel] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1047614
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1047614 Product:Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 Component: systemd (Show other bugs) Version:7.0 Hardware: Unspecified Unspecified Priorityurgent Severity high first reported more than 3 months ago https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1023788 maybe systemd-upstream should consider slow down development and spend more energy in quality and stability signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1047614
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 08:05:47PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1047614 Product: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 Component:systemd (Show other bugs) Version: 7.0 Hardware: Unspecified Unspecified Priority urgent Severity high first reported more than 3 months ago https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1023788 This issue has been debugged already, see the mailing list archives. maybe systemd-upstream should consider slow down development and spend more energy in quality and stability How exactly would you suggest something like this be done? greg k-h ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1047614
On Wed, 12.02.14 20:05, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) wrote: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1047614 Product: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 Component:systemd (Show other bugs) Version: 7.0 Hardware: Unspecified Unspecified Priority urgent Severity high first reported more than 3 months ago https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1023788 maybe systemd-upstream should consider slow down development and spend more energy in quality and stability Well, firstly, it's hardly your business how we spend our time. Secondly, this bug is fixed upstream. Thirdly, patches count more than complaining. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Red Hat ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1047614
Am 12.02.2014 21:19, schrieb Lennart Poettering: On Wed, 12.02.14 20:05, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) wrote: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1047614 Product: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 Component: systemd (Show other bugs) Version: 7.0 Hardware:Unspecified Unspecified Priority urgent Severity high first reported more than 3 months ago https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1023788 maybe systemd-upstream should consider slow down development and spend more energy in quality and stability Well, firstly, it's hardly your business how we spend our time firstly it's my business to say my opinion if i get hit by the result daily and as i woke up that morning i saw a free world which permits that your opinion: i do not care about downstream my optinion: bad attitude in case downstream is the public testbed of your employer with the userbase giving you the needed feedback for work in progress on real world setups the truth is likely somewhere between Secondly, this bug is fixed upstream and that is what i call release-and-forget strategy it has not made it in any Fedora package right now http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=10477 and no http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=491024 does not make things better, it breaks systemd-logind and floods logs - i had installed it a few minutes after build and reverted so finally there is no change downstream over months Thirdly, patches count more than complaining that may be true, if i not would face the same bug and it's friends in F20 day for day i would not need to complain signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1047614
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 08:05:47PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1047614 Product: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 Component:systemd (Show other bugs) Version: 7.0 That's some downstream distro bug. And this is Fedora mailinglist. RHEL issues are offtopic here. -- Tomasz Torcz God, root, what's the difference? xmpp: zdzich...@chrome.pl God is more forgiving. ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1047614
my last post for this topic before i get blocked again by disturbing development in peace with real user problems i thought so once per month it's woth to make notice Am 12.02.2014 21:37, schrieb Tomasz Torcz: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 08:05:47PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1047614 Product: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 Component: systemd (Show other bugs) Version: 7.0 That's some downstream distro bug this is *the* downstream distro this is *the* employer paing systemd project-leader And this is Fedora mailinglist RHEL issues are offtopic here that's new, sadly not true, otherwise the bugreport long before RHEL7-Beta would have prevented to make it in Fedora 20 GA and stay there first reported more than 3 months ago https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1023788 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1047614
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Tomasz Torcz to...@pipebreaker.pl wrote: That's some downstream distro bug. And this is Fedora mailinglist. RHEL issues are offtopic here. This is not a Fedora mailing list at all. ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1047614
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:45:50PM -0800, David Timothy Strauss wrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Tomasz Torcz to...@pipebreaker.pl wrote: That's some downstream distro bug. And this is Fedora mailinglist. RHEL issues are offtopic here. This is not a Fedora mailing list at all. Ouch. I'm sorry. I thought I was still reading fedora-devel. My apologies to Harald and other readers of systemd-devel. -- Tomasz Torcz God, root, what's the difference? xmpp: zdzich...@chrome.pl God is more forgiving. pgp8_mNKZFinb.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1047614
On 02/12/2014 07:37 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: these are all regressions from F19 to F20 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1023820 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1010572 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1057811 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1057618 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1023788 sometimes it feels like systemd-upstrearm has a release-and-forget-strategy and don't care about the downstream distributions and issues there nor how bad the impact of them for how long is I'm not so sure you are aware of this but the major part of systemd maintenance in Fedora is and has been handled by Zbyszek for the past year which is doing that on his own free time and before him it was Michal who is a Red Hat employee but working on completely different thing then systemd and he was also doing systemd downstream distribution maintenance on his own free time. Both of them have been doing good job of maintaining systemd in the distribution and been extremely conservative in their maintainership so I suggest you keep your tone down towards people contributing their own free time to the project. With regards to those RHEL bugs I suggest you follow Red Hat's official procedure dealing with those and file a support case after all that's what you are paying them for. Ranting on upstream mailinglist will get you nowhere regardless if that upstream is partially on Red Hat's payroll or not... JBG ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1047614
Am 12.02.2014 22:41, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 02/12/2014 07:37 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: these are all regressions from F19 to F20 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1023820 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1010572 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1057811 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1057618 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1023788 sometimes it feels like systemd-upstrearm has a release-and-forget-strategy and don't care about the downstream distributions and issues there nor how bad the impact of them for how long is I'm not so sure you are aware of this but the major part of systemd maintenance in Fedora is and has been handled by Zbyszek for the past year which is doing that on his own free time and before him it was Michal who is a Red Hat employee but working on completely different thing then systemd and he was also doing systemd downstream distribution maintenance on his own free time. i am aware the major point of my critism is systemd-upstream's release-and-forget with no point releases at all and the state of systemd in F20 makes that not looking like a working strategy overstraining downstream maintainers that may work for a browser but not for a core-component of a distruibution or only in case of luck and not hitted by bugs as we have them now Both of them have been doing good job of maintaining systemd in the distribution and been extremely conservative in their maintainership extremely conservative would have been keep Fedora 20 on systemd-204 which has none of that problems - systemd-208 obviously has *not* release quality extremely conservative with a stable release: fine extremely conservative with a broken release: not fine, it needs fixes, timly https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1023788 reported: 2013-10-27 GA release: 2013-12-17 current:2014-02-12 so I suggest you keep your tone down towards people contributing their own free time to the project. my tone is ok, if someone can't stand critism that's a different problem layer i am contributing *my own free time* with testing and bugreports, the last systemd build for F20 was tested, rolled back and commented with feedback minutes after the build completed, so i deserve feedback in a timely manner and not get ignored over months (and i am not the only one) since you are the one fighting against RH on fedora-devel and claiming you are Fedora QA more than once - where where you in case of the bugs above? how did they pass QA if any random tester is facing two of them within minutes? With regards to those RHEL bugs I suggest you follow Red Hat's official procedure dealing with those RHEL bugs? maybe read them before make comments and get rid of your hate against Redhat could help, the Fedora bugzilla is below redhat.com and they are all *Fedora* bugs and *one* of them made it to RHEL-Beta *too* signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1047614
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:12:07PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: the major point of my critism is systemd-upstream's release-and-forget with no point releases at all and the state of systemd in F20 makes that not looking like a working strategy overstraining downstream maintainers that may work for a browser but not for a core-component of a distruibution or only in case of luck and not hitted by bugs as we have them now I guess the Linux kernel is not a core-component of a distro then, by your definition :) My distro doesn't have this issue, if you have a problem with the distro you are currently using, I suggest talking with them about this, or change to a different one. No one is forcing you to use Fedora... good luck, greg k-h ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
