Re: t-and-f: USADA Bombshell

2003-10-17 Thread Paul Merca
At 2:34 PM -0400 10/16/03, Michael J. Roth wrote:
USADA Bombshell!
USADA STATEMENT
(snipped for brevity)...

More fuel for the fire...

http://espn.go.com/oly/news/2003/1016/1639608.html

Paul Merca


t-and-f: forum supervisor

2003-10-17 Thread Post, Marty
I apologize for posting this to the full list, but could the list supervisor
please contact me ?

Thanks.


t-and-f: Toth alleged to be positive

2003-10-17 Thread Martin J. Dixon
U.S. shot put champion Kevin Toth is among those who have tested
positive, according to sources with knowledge of the investigation. Toth
could not be reached for comment yesterday; his wife, reached at their
home, declined to comment.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A37329-2003Oct16?language=printer



Re: t-and-f: rutto

2003-10-17 Thread alan tobin
I bet you don't visit the Letsrun.com or Kemibe.com message boards much do 
ya? If you did you would see new meanings of the word libel and restricted 
speech going the way of the Dodo. Also, the correct adjective is 
indecorous not  the non-word undecorous, but a less snooty way of saying 
the same thing would be tasteless. In fact this listserv has gone the way 
of the Dodo since I first signed on in 1996 when actual college runners 
*shock* frequented the list.

Alan


From: Richard McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: alan tobin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
And even so, a productive forum has civil discourse.  Yes, you're protected 
to say all sorts of idiotic things, but expect to be slapped down in 
return, including being told your speech is undecorous.

RMc


_
Concerned that messages may bounce because your Hotmail account has exceeded 
its 2MB storage limit? Get Hotmail Extra Storage! 
http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es



Re: t-and-f: Lazy Marathoners Before 2002

2003-10-17 Thread B. Kunnath

Alans emails are repetitive and boring and are quite simply annoying. It brings no new info to the debate or to the list. Who cares what you think..you have no inside info nor even do you have the nuts to name names and stick to itwhy even bother..yeah we all think/know that there are SOME druggies on this planet..BIG DEAL.
bob



From: "Christopher Goss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Alan, you were born in 1978 and have never run in a world class competition. 
How do you KNOW all of these things? 

 Send instant messages to anyone on your contact list with MSN Messenger 6.0.  Try it now FREE!  


RE: Re: t-and-f: who lacks intellectual honesty?

2003-10-17 Thread Dan Kaplan
Ok, let's see if we can settle this once and for all.  Those not
interested in our little side spat, go ahead and hit delete now.

I called you out for repeatedly making false and slanderous statements
about me.

Mr. Malley has a very selective memory, apparently.  It was actually he
who first turned things personal (I won't even include the comment he
first made to me a few years back, berating my accomplishments as an
athlete), saying I must've eaten too many of the brownies at the state (or
was it county?) fair.  Not hard to read between those lines.  I responded
with a snide remark at the end of my reply that he could now go back to
his booze.  That's the false and slanderous statement referred to above. 
Is it any more false or slanderous than what he directed at me?  Not that
I can see.  At least what I said has some basis in reality, being that it
is his reputation down in Eugene...  Malmo's response?  Demanding that I
name the person who told it to me.  That's just silly.  I know I don't
drink or do drugs, and anyone who knows me will tell you the same. 
Hurling such insults at me wouldn't phase me, because I know it's not
true.  In my experience, anyone who gets as defensive as Malmo did to my
retort has something to hide, not that I can see any sense in someone who
won't answer to their real name being worried about their reputation.  If
it weren't true, he'd have no reason to care.

His calling me out consisted of repeated insults while I stated I had no
intention of participating in the debate further.  And he's telling *me*
to grow up!

So, Malmo chose to attack me on the basis of lack of ethics (just as he
did Richard) and lack of ability as an athlete.  Heck, I'm the first to
admit I did nothing special on the track.  Does that make me any less
qualified to participate in the sport?  Malmo quite clearly thinks so, but
again, I honestly don't give a rip what he thinks.  You have to give
respect to get respect.  I'm confident in my reputation with anyone who's
worked with me, thank you very much, Malmo.  There are a handful of area
coaches on this list that can, if so inclined, speak to my reputation in
the area of meet management, timing, and results.  Walt Murphy has been
the recipient of timely big meet results I've sent him for his weekly
newsletter.  Amby Burfoot has requested to meet with me in person. 
Coaches I've worked with think highly of me, and athletes I coached
temporarily decided to quit the team when I quit coaching.  I've got an
Excellence in Student Leadership award to show for my work with the OSU
XC/Track team and a published article on the history of the program.  I
put together and maintained a team website which is widely considered
around the country as one of the best XC/Track sites for any level of
college.  I'm sure I'm missing a few things, but the point is, anyone
who's opinion I value has a very different view of me than does Malmo. 
So, I ask the esteemed Mr. Malley, what have you given back to the sport
other than having run fast 20 years ago?  The ball's in your court, punk.

Dan


--- malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The truth be told Dan Kaplan, I called you out for repeatedly making
 false and slanderous statements about me. The profanity was not as much
 as you really deserve. When I meet you in person it will be clear to you
 what is unaccepatable. 
 
 Grow up, punk.
 
 malmo

=
http://AbleDesign.com - Web Design  Custom Programming
http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy TF

  @o  Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 |\/ ^-  ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] )
_/ \ \/\  (503)370-9969 phone/fax
   /   /

__
Do you Yahoo!?
The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search
http://shopping.yahoo.com