t-and-f: Robinson re steroids
"Robinson said he does not believe that using steroids or other performance-enhancing substances is cheating." Oh man... http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20040302/ROBINSON02/TPSports/TopStories Regards, Martin
Re: t-and-f: Robinson re steroids
It makes a bit more sense in the full context: "What you are doing is taking advantage, which is different than cheating," he said. "To me, it's like what you have in the game now whenever a base runner relays the catcher's signs to the hitter. They call that cheating now, but when I played and we thought somebody was relaying signs, the pitcher would call out the catcher and tell him to do a better job of disguising the damned things." I think he's saying it's business as usual, so it isn't really cheating. Just taking advantage of the allowances that have always been there. Interesting spin, but not altogether unreasonable. Sadly amusing that baseball and football to a lesser extent have chosen to go down this road. I thought T&F was the shining example for all sports of why not to dig into the drug closet... "...baseball's steroid controversy -- and what seems to be a growing split in player ranks -- is setting the tone for a mean-spirited season." Dan --- "Martin J. Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Robinson said he does not believe that using steroids or other > performance-enhancing substances is cheating." > > Oh man... > > http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20040302/ROBINSON02/TPSports/TopStories > > > > Regards, > > > Martin > > > > = http://AbleDesign.com - Web Design & Custom Programming http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy T&F @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] <|\/ <^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax / / __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: Robinson re steroids
It doesn't make any more or less sense in context. It is - in fact - altogether unreasonable. It wouldn't be unreasonable to say - "the rule should be changed, we shouldn't ban drugs." I wouldn't agree, but it wouldn't be unreasonable. But to say - aww, we've always done it, so it doesn't matter if it's against the rules is ridiculous. Kind of a typical "good old days" attitude. I'm sure many old-timers who were around when Robinson was playing were beomaning the good old days when only white men played baseball. He can suggest eliminating the rule if he likes, but don't take this pansy-ass don't ask don't tell approach. As for whether Bonds is being singled out by his fellow players - he undoubtedly is. Part of it is the bad luck of having his trainer indicted. Doesn't mean he's not guilty, of course. - Ed - Original Message - From: "Dan Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Track & Field List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 1:51 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Robinson re steroids > It makes a bit more sense in the full context: > > "What you are doing is taking advantage, which is different than > cheating," he said. "To me, it's like what you have in the game now > whenever a base runner relays the catcher's signs to the hitter. They call > that cheating now, but when I played and we thought somebody was relaying > signs, the pitcher would call out the catcher and tell him to do a better > job of disguising the damned things." > > I think he's saying it's business as usual, so it isn't really cheating. > Just taking advantage of the allowances that have always been there. > Interesting spin, but not altogether unreasonable. > > Sadly amusing that baseball and football to a lesser extent have chosen to > go down this road. I thought T&F was the shining example for all sports > of why not to dig into the drug closet... > > "...baseball's steroid controversy -- and what seems to be a growing split > in player ranks -- is setting the tone for a mean-spirited season." > > Dan > > > --- "Martin J. Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Robinson said he does not believe that using steroids or other > > performance-enhancing substances is cheating." > > > > Oh man... > > > > > http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20040302/ROBINSON02/TPSports/TopStories > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Martin > > > > > > > > > > > = > http://AbleDesign.com - Web Design & Custom Programming > http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy T&F > > @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <|\/ <^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) > _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax >/ / > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster > http://search.yahoo.com >
Re: t-and-f: Robinson re steroids
The widely recognized five stages of dealing with an illness: 1. Denial 2. Anger 3. Fear 4. Grief 5. Acceptance It's taken track & field what- three or four DECADES to get where we are today? Some might say the sport still bounces between stages 2 and 4. And individual athletes, when confronted with a positive, almost always start right back with stage 1. Why should baseball be any different? Why should we expect them to jump through all five stages overnight? To COLLECTIVELY progress through the stages (with some individuals still dragging) could take them decades as well. Patient persistance- constantly holding them accountable- is the only way to keep them on the right path, and the journey is a VERY long one. Randy
Re: t-and-f: Robinson re steroids
> But to say - aww, we've always done it, so it doesn't matter > if it's against the rules is ridiculous. So ridiculous, in fact, that much of the world operates on that very principle. Right or wrong, it's the way things are. Dan --- edndana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It doesn't make any more or less sense in context. It is - in fact - > altogether unreasonable. > > It wouldn't be unreasonable to say - "the rule should be changed, we > shouldn't ban drugs." I wouldn't agree, but it wouldn't be > unreasonable. > But to say - aww, we've always done it, so it doesn't matter if it's > against > the rules is ridiculous. Kind of a typical "good old days" attitude. > I'm > sure many old-timers who were around when Robinson was playing were > beomaning the good old days when only white men played baseball. He can > suggest eliminating the rule if he likes, but don't take this pansy-ass > don't ask don't tell approach. > > As for whether Bonds is being singled out by his fellow players - he > undoubtedly is. Part of it is the bad luck of having his trainer > indicted. > Doesn't mean he's not guilty, of course. > > - Ed > > > - Original Message - > From: "Dan Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Track & Field List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 1:51 PM > Subject: Re: t-and-f: Robinson re steroids > > > > It makes a bit more sense in the full context: > > > > "What you are doing is taking advantage, which is different than > > cheating," he said. "To me, it's like what you have in the game now > > whenever a base runner relays the catcher's signs to the hitter. They > call > > that cheating now, but when I played and we thought somebody was > relaying > > signs, the pitcher would call out the catcher and tell him to do a > better > > job of disguising the damned things." > > > > I think he's saying it's business as usual, so it isn't really > cheating. > > Just taking advantage of the allowances that have always been there. > > Interesting spin, but not altogether unreasonable. > > > > Sadly amusing that baseball and football to a lesser extent have > chosen to > > go down this road. I thought T&F was the shining example for all > sports > > of why not to dig into the drug closet... > > > > "...baseball's steroid controversy -- and what seems to be a growing > split > > in player ranks -- is setting the tone for a mean-spirited season." > > > > Dan = http://AbleDesign.com - Web Design & Custom Programming http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy T&F @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] <|\/ <^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax / / __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: Robinson re steroids
Actually, those are the five stages of grief developed by Elizabeth Kubler-Ross, M.D. Not really an appropriate analogy for drugs unless you already assume the outcome will be accepting that athletes are going to do drugs and we can't catch them. - Ed - Original Message - From: "Randy Treadway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 3:21 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Robinson re steroids > The widely recognized five stages of dealing with an illness: > > 1. Denial > 2. Anger > 3. Fear > 4. Grief > 5. Acceptance > > It's taken track & field what- three or four DECADES to get where we are today? Some might say the sport still bounces between stages 2 and 4. And individual athletes, when confronted with a positive, almost always start right back with stage 1. > > Why should baseball be any different? Why should we expect them to jump through all five stages overnight? > To COLLECTIVELY progress through the stages (with some individuals still dragging) could take them decades as well. > > Patient persistance- constantly holding them accountable- is the only way to keep them on the right path, and the journey is a VERY long one. > > Randy > >
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