t-and-f: The University of Health Sciences World Race Walking Cup Results
Official Results of the University of Health Sciences World Race Walking Cup Trials: USATF WORLD CUP RACE WALKING TRIALS WOMEN'S JUNIOR DIVISION 10K ROAD RACE APRIL 4, 2004OVERLAND PARK, KS PLACE NAMES ST 10KPACE = === = == == = 1 Megan Huzzey* F BC 50:23 8:07 2 Maria MichtaF NY 50:46 8:11 3 Katy Hayes F WI 50:47 8:11 4 Erica Adams F SC 51:01 8:13 5 Jasmine Brooks F WI 53:43 8:39 6 Jennifer Reekie F MO 54:37 8:48 7 Susan Potthast F WI 55:31 8:57 8 Dana Vered F NJ 55:48 8:59 9 Carly Rose Lochala F ME 56:30 9:06 10 Tina Peters F OH 57:14 9:13 11 Kate Dickenson F ME 57:26 9:15 USATF WORLD CUP RACE WALKING TRIALS MEN'S JUNIOR DIVISION 10K ROAD RACE APRIL 4, 2004OVERLAND PARK, KS PLACE NAMES ST10K PACE = === = === == 1 Zachary Pollinger M NJ45:52 7:30 2 Pierre-Luc Menard* M Quebec,CN 48:14 7:53 3 Troy Clark M ME48:25 7:55 4 Joe Trapani M NY48:43 7:58 5 Dominic ByrdM TX 1:08:12 11:09 Andy Peters M OHDNF Christopher DiazM TXDQ USATF WORLD CUP RACE WALKING TRIALS WOMEN'S SENIOR DIVISION 20K ROAD RACE APRIL 4, 2004OVERLAND PARK, KS PLACE NAMES ST 20K PACE = === = == === = 1 Joanne Dow F NH 1:34:44 7:38 2 Teresa VaillF FL 1:36:49 7:48 3 Michelle Rohl F PA 1:37:37 7:52 4 Jolene MooreF IL 1:39:56 8:03 5 Sam Cohen F WI 1:42:35 8:16 6 Susan Armenta F CA 1:44:39 8:26 7 Deborah Huberty F WI 1:45:17 8:29 8 Margaret Ditchburn F CA 1:46:37 8:36 9 Carolyn Kealty F FL 1:47:11 8:38 10 Marina Crivello*F Que. 1:48:45 8:46 11 Ali BahrF WI 1:49:40 8:50 12 Christine Tagliafer F NY 1:50:14 8:53 13 Janna MillerF AK 1:51:55 9:01 14 Amanda Bergeron F WI 1:53:43 9:10 15 Heidi Hauch F AZ 1:55:46 9:20 16 Lee Chase F CT 2:04:19 10:01 17 Julie Anaselme-Sout F ID 2:11:33 10:36 Michelle BarnettF GA DNS Bobbi Chapman F WV DNS Lisa Sontag F FL DNF Amber Antonia F WI DNF Loretta Schuellein F NY DNF Gayle Johnson F MO DQ Nicolle Goldman F CA DQ USATF WORLD CUP RACE WALKING TRIALS MEN'S SENIOR DIVISION 20K ROAD RACE APRIL 4, 2004OVERLAND PARK, KS PLACE NAMES ST 20K PACE = === = === === 1 Tim Seaman M CA 1:26:09 6:57 2 Curt Claussen M CA 1:27:30 7:03 3 Kevin Eastler M CO 1:28:42 7:09 4 Erik Tysse* M Norway 1:28:54 7:10 5 John Nunn M CA 1:29:39 7:14 6 Phillip DunnM CA 1:30:41 7:19 7 Benjamin Shorey M ME 1:33:43 7:33 8 Matt Boyles M OH 1:33:59 7:35 9 Mike Tarantino M WI 1:35:14 7:41 10 Michael T. Stanton M WI 1:36:03 7:45 11 Mark Green M NV 1:37:28 7:51 12 Stephen Quirke M WI 1:38:44 7:57 13 Dave DohertyM CA 1:40:46 8:07 14 Bill Vayo M NY 1:42:29 8:16 15 Adam Staier M ME 1:50:06 8:52 16 Gary Morgan M MI 1:53:37 9:09 17 Dave Crabb M NV 2:00:37 9:43 Nicholas Bdera M NY DNS Dave McGovern M AL DNF Edward Parrot M CA DNF Alberto Medina M TX DQ * Foreign Guest Competitor -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx (TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: Florida Relays Highlights Thursday Evening Session
Those 5k splits for Presnick add up to 29:39. What did he really run? Ricky Quintana wrote: Florida Relays highlights- Thursday evening by Ricky Quintana Men 1 Meter Run Collegiate & Open Presnick returns after a nasty injury in the vertebrae in his neck last year. He goes out in 75's with teammate Phipps. After a 1600m split of 5:00, he begins to crank a string of 73's. He hit 5k at 14:56 and was all on his own. He had 1 74 on the 23 lap, but recovers to run the last 800m in 2:19. His final 5k of 14:43 brings him to a new personal best for 10k. Of note, his previous 5k PR was 14:51! He runs that twice over. Phipps, a walk-on, records a lifetime best. Finals 1 Presnick, Cory Florida 30:39.36 2 Phipps, Alex Florida 31:37.22 -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx (TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: MJ's splits in his 43.18 WR (was Negative splits in 440)
Huh! I'm pretty busy today, but not so busy to let this one pass. If you subtract 0.75 sec. from his first 200 split of 21.22 to get the equivalent flying start time for the first 200, you get 20.47, 1.49 sec. slower than his second 200 run in 21.96. Dan Kaplan wrote: If you subtract out the start (at least 0.50 to 0.75, maybe as much as 1.20 based on the 50m splits), then the second half arguably *was* run faster. In any sprint event, the start becomes a major factor when determining average speed. Not nearly as significant in events not run out of blocks. Dan --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't mean to misread here--but I always thought the meaning of "negative split" is that the second half of a race is faster, not slower, than the first (as for example with Jim Ryun's WR 880 yards where he went out in 53+ and finished in 51+)--so MJ's splits in his WR 400 are not--by that definition--negative. His splits support my earlier note that the faster the 400 WR gets over time, the more even the splits are likely (likely!) to be. Mitch Further to Seville splits, here's what the video-analysis shows for Michael Johnson's World Record in the 400: 50m100m200m 6.14 4.96 (11.10)11.10 5.00 (16.10) 5.12 (21.22)10.1221.22 5.20 (26.42) 5.24 (31.66)10.44 5.52 (37.18) 6.00 (43.18)11.5221.96 * don't forget to consider the time out of the blocks! Jimson = http://AbleDesign.com - Web Design & Custom Programming http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy T&F @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] <|\/ <^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax / / __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx (TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
t-and-f: Cantwell: 21.95!
At the Missouri All-comers meet today, Christian Cantwell extended his 2004 best performance in the shot to 21.95 m (72' 1/14" for he metrically challenged). He had an earlier throw of 21.6x that looked good, but when he hit the power position on this one, before the shot had left his hand, I told Steve Albert who I was watching the event with that the throw was going to be a big one. He had better shoulder-hip separation than I have ever seen him have. Anyone who wants to beat him at the Olympics had better be ready to produce a really big one! -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx (TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
t-and-f: World Race Walking Cup Trials Information & Entry Form
Information and an entry form for the USA World Race Walking Cup Trials is available at http://www.computomarx.com/WorldCupTr.htm Check back often as information is added and updated. -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx (TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: Former Tennessee track athlete dies at 35
Unfortunately, I saw that happen. I hope I never see anything remotely like it again. I was about 200 meters away when it happened and looking right at him. The hammer was heading straight for him and it seemed to hang in the air forever. People were screaming their head off for him to get out of the way, but for some reason he didn't hear them. Please folks, never turn your back to a throwing area. My sympathy to the family. Matthew Starr wrote: Former Tennessee track athlete dies at 35 .c The Associated Press KNOXVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - A former University of Tennessee track athlete who won a million-dollar suit against the school for a head injury suffered at a meet in 1987 died Wednesday. Scott Hartman, 35, never regained complete consciousness and died after a period of deteriorating health, his mother, Kay Hartman, told The Knoxville News Sentinel on Wednesday night. ``Scott fought a hard battle,'' Kay Hartman said. ``The doctors told me the day he was injured they didn't know if he'd live through the first night.'' Hartman was a 19-year-old freshman when he was hit in the head by a 16-pound steel field hammer, which is a ball attached to a wire, during warmups at a track and field meet at the University of Kentucky in Lexington. He was treated at a rehabilitation center after his injury and eventually returned home to his mother's house, where he lived the past 14 years. At the Kentucky meet, Hartman was walking away from the throwing pit outside the foul line during warmups when he was hit in the back of the head by a practice throw from another athlete. The University of Tennessee, Hartman's parents and BellSouth wrangled in court for years. BellSouth, where Hartman's father worked and had health insurance that covered his son, was seeking reimbursement from UT for the cost of Hartman's care. The case between the family and UT was settled in 1998, but the claims by BellSouth were not resolved. A state appeals court in April upheld a ruling by the Tennessee Claims Commission that BellSouth was owed more than $1 million by UT for unpaid medical bills. The court said UT agreed to furnish medical treatment for any injuries incurred during athletic competition when it gave Hartman an athletic scholarship. The funeral is tentatively scheduled for Saturday. 11/13/03 01:46 EST Copyright 2003 The Associated Press. __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx (TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: Headline - Games opened to transsexual athletes
Do you have a name? If so, use it. tafnut wrote: Are you a doctor? Let the medical experts decide. Open your mind a bit: if the experts say they will be competing on a equal footing, then we should trust they have the best of the Olympic movement in mind which means that everyone should have the opportunity to compete. -Original Message- From: "Wayne T. Armbrust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Nov 15, 2003 7:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Headline - Games opened to transsexual athletes This is absolutely absurd, terminal political correctness. A male to female (so-called) transsexual, even after undergoing hormone therapy, will still have much higher strength indexes than women. Can the IOC cram this down the throat of the IAAF? Stella Franci wrote: Dear Track & Field, Stella Franci wants you to know about a story on http://www.smh.com.au. The online edition of The Sydney Morning Herald brings you updated local and world news, sports results, entertainment news and reviews and the latest technology information. Click here to sign up for early morning news alerts from The Sydney Morning Herald newsroom. http://www.smh.com.au/newsletters/subscription.html Personal Message: Games opened to transsexual athletes November 15, 2003 URL: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/11/14/1068674387895.html -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx (TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: Headline - Games opened to transsexual athletes
This is absolutely absurd, terminal political correctness. A male to female (so-called) transsexual, even after undergoing hormone therapy, will still have much higher strength indexes than women. Can the IOC cram this down the throat of the IAAF? Stella Franci wrote: Dear Track & Field, Stella Franci wants you to know about a story on http://www.smh.com.au. The online edition of The Sydney Morning Herald brings you updated local and world news, sports results, entertainment news and reviews and the latest technology information. Click here to sign up for early morning news alerts from The Sydney Morning Herald newsroom. http://www.smh.com.au/newsletters/subscription.html Personal Message: Games opened to transsexual athletes November 15, 2003 URL: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/11/14/1068674387895.html -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx (TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: NYTimes.com Article: Results of Steroid Testing Spur Baseball to Set Tougher Rules
Wow! Baseball is really getting serious about drug use. Imagine, a one year suspension for only the fifth violation! This meaningless exercise in public deception should be exposed for the hypocrisy it is at every opportunity. Are you listing, Craig? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by [EMAIL PROTECTED] Beginning next season, the first time a player tests positive he will receive treatment and education about the substance that was abused and be subject to further testing. A second positive will result in the player's being identified publicly and include a 15-day suspension or up to a $10,000 fine. The penalties escalate to a one-year suspension or up to a $100,000 fine for the fifth positive test. Suspensions will be without pay. -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx (TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: My third grader's math
When I taught introductory physics classes at Ohio State I would sometimes put track & field related questions on tests. Questions like: If a sprinter takes 3.6 seconds to cover the first 30 meters of a race, what is his average acceleration? If he has a mass of 70 kg, what average force is he exerting against the track? Or: If a hammer thrower throws a hammer 80 meters and the initial angle of the hammer with respect to the ground was 37 degrees, what was its initial velocity? Ignore air resistance and the height of the hammer at release. The hammer is is a 7.26 kg [I assumed all the weight of the hammer was in the ball] metal sphere (head) connected by a wire to a handle and is spun in a circular arc before being released by the thrower. If the distance of the head of the hammer from the thrower's center of mass is 2.0 m during the spin, estimate the maximum centripetal force that the thrower must exert. -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx (TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: running at resonance
Perhaps some of the notation has been lost due to the limitations of email, but I stopped trying to understand the abstract when I saw the frequency of pendulum oscillations given as fp = const (g/L), instead of the correct const x SQRT(g/L). Joel Gruver wrote: Hello folks, Just ran into this article while searching for something completely different... thought it may be of interest to a few of you. Joel *** Walking and running at resonance Author(s): B.K. Ahlborn ; R.W. Blake Source: Zoology Volume: 105 Number: 2 Page: 165 -- 174 DOI: 10.1078/0944-2006-00057 Publisher: Urban & Fischer Abstract: Humans and other animals can temporarily store mechanical energy in elastic oscillations, fel, of body parts and in pendulum oscillations, fp = const (g/L), of legs, length L, or other appendages, and thereby reduce the energy consumption of locomotion. However, energy saving only occurs if these oscillations are tuned to the leg propagation frequency f. It has long been known that f is tuned to the pendulum frequency of the free-swinging leg of walkers. During running the leg frequency increases to some new value f = fr. We propose that in order to maintain resonance the animal, mass M, actively increases its leg pendulum frequency to the new value fp,r =const (ay/L)=fr, by giving its hips a vertical acceleration ay= Fy/M. The pendulum frequency is increased if the impact force Fy of the stance foot is larger than Mg, explaining the observation by Alexander and Bennet-Clark (1976) that Fv becomes larger than Mg when animals start to run. Our model predictions of the running velocity Ur as function of L, Fv, are in agreement with measurements of these quantities (Farley et al. 1993). The leg's longitudinal elastic oscillation frequency scales as fel = const (k/M). Experiments by Ferris et al., (1998) show that runners adjust their leg's stiffness, k, when running on surfaces of different elasticity so that the total stiffness k remains constant. Our analysis of their data suggests that the longitudinal oscillations of the stance leg are indeed kept in tune with the running frequency. Therefore we conclude that humans, and by extension all animals, maintain resonance during running. Our model also predicts the Froude number of walking-running transitions, Fr = U2/gL 0.5 in good agreement with measurements. Joel Gruver Dept of Soil Science NC State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx (TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon Olympic Payout
It seems to me that the issue in not whether the men's and women's LDR Committees have the right to set disparate standards for the Marathon Trials. Of course they do. I don't think the men care what standard Women's LDR picks. They can pick an "A" of 4 hrs. if they like. What is unfair is that the Chicago Marathon pays the same for much weaker women's standards. It is as if the organizers of the meet either don't realize or don't care that the standards are disparate, but have just blindly gone along with the two LDR committees as if the standards were equivalent. edndana wrote: You quote my previous posting which says you failed to answer my question, BUT YOU STILL DODGE IT. So let me try again (hope springs eternal that I can get an answer). If women were the victims of the disparity in Trails qualifyiing and winning money, and as a result you were going to the Trials and winning Chicago Marathon awards while women marathoners who were better than you were not, can you serioiusly say you would defend such discrimination as fair? You actually never asked ME that specific question about fairness in any posts before the post I cited where you claimed that I failed to answer it. Instead you said something like wouldn't "people" or "the athletes" would be up in arms? And I DID answer the question, evenb though you didn't ask the specific question of me. I said that if the women's LDR committee - based on athlete surveys of all current athletes of trials caliber - chose to make the standard say 2:40 and the men based on athlete surveys made it 2:30, I most assuredly would believe it was fair and I would ridicule those who claimed that it should be changed despite the athletes' wishes. Now, I can respect your difference of opinion about what the men running between 2:22 and 2:30 think. You are correct that the only way to find out is to ask them, and I do not know if that has been done. I agree that perhaps it should be. I do know that some of them have been in attendance at USATF meetings where the issue has been discussed and have not felt that it was unfair. The votes at these meetings (at least for the last two trials) tend to be at least 80% in favor of the tighter standards. It's pretty much a few coaches and the occasional athlete who vote to loosen the standards. I figure I know somewhere between 10 and 20 guys who have run in that range in the past five years well enough to know what they think of the issue and not one of them feels strongly that the current setup is unfair. Some feel that they would be fine either way and some specifically do not want it changed because it would make qualifying less meaningful - even if it means they will never qualify. The bottom line is that many of these athletes LIKE the fact that the standad is harder. This is because they know that it means more with the harder standard, and 2:25-2:30 marathoners do not tend to think that they somehow "deserve" to make the trials just because the women have a bit easier standard. They certainly don't tend to think of themselves as elite athletes, although many of them are supremely motivated to take it to the next level. We've heard from - I think - 3 guys in that time range on this list (not counting me, who doesn't quite fit the profile) who agreed with my thoughts on what these athletes think. One would think that if you were correct about how they feel, we would have heard from some who disagree with you, although maybe there aren't many on the list. - Ed Parrot From: "edndana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "edndana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: t-and-f: LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon Olympic Payout Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:02:58 -0500 BUT you failed to answer my question about fairness at least as to what you would say if women were the victims of the disparity instead of men. If you were going to the Trials and winning money, and women who were better than you (i.e.proportionally closer to the world and Amerixcan records) were not similary rewarded, can you seriously say you would defend such discrimination as fair? Geoff Actually, am I wrong, or is there more money at the men's trials this time around? If not, hasn't there been a time or two where that has been the case? Another function of two different committees, two different races. - Ed Parrot _ Surf and talk on the phone at the same time with broadband Internet access. Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EM
t-and-f: Roommate Wanted for Annual Meeting
Netters, I have reserved a room with two double beds for the USATF Annual Meeting (assuming USATF still exists then :-) ) for four nights, arriving Dec. 3 and departing Dec. 7 at the host hotel, the Sheraton Greensboro at Four Seasons. The rate is $115 per night plus tax. Does anyone need a room and want to share? -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx (TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
t-and-f: "Zero Tolerance," Slaney, and the Hall of Fame
I wonder if there will be a rethinking concerning Slaney as a candidate for the Hall of Fame in light of the "zero tolerance" policy recently announced by USATF. If Slaney is elected to the HoF by the voters, as I expect her to be considering the sophistication of the voters, what will USATF do then? -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx (TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: USATF announces "Zero Tolerance" anti-doping plan
I can see a problem here. Even clean athletes may have trouble securing the services of a coach if the coach thinks he may be punished if the athlete uses banned drugs. An athlete may use drugs but the coach may be unaware and thus completely innocent. Michael J. Roth wrote: USATF announces "Zero Tolerance" anti-doping plan 10-22-2003 ?? Punish Coaches of athletes found guilty. USA Track & Field will create a program to ban the coaches of athletes who test positive from our sport. In addition, the coaches will be fined up to $100,000, will not be eligible to be the coach of a U.S. Team, and will not be eligible for any USATF benefits. -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx (TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: USATF announces "Zero Tolerance" anti-doping plan
d productive way. We must urge the IAAF to enforce its own rules requiring all IAAF member countries to conduct out-of-competition testing. The IAAF has said that fewer than 30 countries conduct random, unannounced, out-of-competition testing. With more than 40 IAAF countries winning medals (and more than half of the top medal-winning countries doing no out-of-competition testing), we cannot allow our athletes to be subject to a stringent anti-doping regime while their international competitors face no domestic testing at all. We must also propose as a matter of urgency that the IAAF increase the penalties for doping convictions. ?? Focus on international and domestic relationship building. USATF has been ineffective at developing and implementing both an international relations plan and a plan for pushing its agenda at the USOC. Fundamental to the push for an effective, worldwide anti-doping plan will be initiating and strengthening political ties at both the IAAF and USOC. ?? Work with other NGBs to share ideas and best practices and look for ways to improve our mutual anti-doping efforts. Seven other NGBs have had athletes sanctioned for doping violations in 2003 including USA Swimming (5) and USA Cycling (4). Sharing experiences and expertise with those large and well-organized NGBs can help us attack the doping problem more effectively. ?? Publish negative test results. More than 99% of the tests administered to U.S. track athletes did NOT result in positive lab results in 2002. The only way to protect the vast majority of athletes who are innocent is to publish their names and the statistics related to their negative tests. This information is already partially available on the USADA website (the USADA site does not include IAAF and WADA test results), but we should look to publicize this information as well. ?? Utilize our website and other communications tools to emphasize our zero tolerance message. CONCLUSIONS We have a historic opportunity and mandate to take significant action to address an issue of great importance to our sport and America. We must take dramatic action to put this program into place immediately so that it can be effective prior to the Olympics. But, our commitment to it must be long term, with a goal of rebuilding our credibility in this area so that by 2008 we will be recognized as a world leader on this issue. -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx (TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: Chambers positive
"Chambers is trained by Remi Korchemny, a septuagenarian Ukrainian emigré who once coached the 1972 Olympic 100m and 200m champion Valery Borzov and who now runs the KMA Track Club with Victor Conte." "US officials knew nothing about it until they received an anonymous tip-off from a 'high-profile' athletics coach who sent them a syringe containing traces of the steroid that is injected under the tongue." Hmm, it seems the "high profile" coach is a rival of Remi Korchemny. I wonder who it could be. Anyone willing to hazard a guess? Martin J. Dixon wrote: "Dwain Chambers, the fastest man in Europe and one of Britain's main hopes for an Olympic gold medal next year, has tested positive for a new banned designer..." http://sport.guardian.co.uk/athletics/story/0,10082,1068204,00.html -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx (TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: Drugs
I had no trouble opening it. Mike Prizy wrote: The answer might be here: http://www.usantidoping.org/files/USADAmgmtdiagram11_00.pdf For some reason, I can't open these PDF files. I called USADA to ask if both samples go to the same lab. I was told they do, but, I suspect that the athlete may have the option to have the B sample - while it is still sealed in a tamper-evident container along with chain-of-custody forms - sent to another certified/IAAF/IOC approved lab. It probably is standard procedure to have the B sent elsewhere if the A is positive. If the A is negative, the B is not tested. Even if the B sample is tested where the A positive sample was tested, it probably would not be on the same day and maybe not on the same machine or by the same technician. If notification goes out on an A positive and the athlete or federation is given options, there is plenty of time to spring a leak - IMHO. But, the question(s): What is the procedure after an A sample comes up positive; when and where does the B sample get tested? If names are NOT used on the COC forms, who has access to the identification numbers to be able to know who the A sample belongs to? I am more familiar with U.S. employment drug testing. These answers might be in the PDF files or maybe somebody on this list knows. Richard McCann wrote: If its the federations doing the leaking, then the labs should hold the A results until they get the B results. There's really no reason to release the A results beforehand. RMc At 09:18 PM 9/28/2003 -0500, Mike Prizy wrote: I think most of the A leaks have been announcements by the NGBs of the respective countries (I know, not the U.S.) Richard McCann wrote: At 11:15 AM 9/27/2003 -0700, Gerald Woodward wrote: Richard, You and I and just about everyone else on this list knows of instances where "leaks" of a positive "A" hit the streets long before the results of the "B" test were publicized! The labs that leaked this info should be banned from participating in the testing program for "life!" That will eliminate people from trying to get the "scoop" on every other lab that is running the same type of testing. Hopefully, it will also eliminate the rumors and innuendos. Gerald I agree this position. There need to be stronger sanctions on these labs. RMc -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx (TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: major philosphy difference for the sport
As someone who knows Butch Reynolds fairly well (he helped load the truck when I moved from Ohio to Missouri - maybe he was glad to be rid of me!) I believe it's likely that Butch somehow did get screwed. Never in any of the many conversations I had with him did he waver from his claim of innocence, and I asked him point blank. I still believe in testing, though. malmo wrote: Perhaps Mike, you should brush up on your reading skills. I didn't say anything about Reynolds guilt. I said I "wouldn't be so sure." As a matter of fact, here on this list in the past, I've noted the Reynolds passed tests both immediately before and after he got popped. Added to this, his demeaner (unlike Slaney's) was that of an innocent man. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Prizy Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 12:55 PM To: Conway Hill Cc: Richard McCann; Dan Kaplan; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: major philosphy difference for the sport I believe Butch's case was overturned on appeal in a U.S. court on a jurisdiction ruling, negating his $27 million award. Butch got screwed on poor chain-of-custody procedures (regardless of what King George thinks.) Somebody peed a positive. It just wasn't his. Conway Hill wrote: But it is ok to leave the door open for athletes to be wrongly occused and to lose medals and tears of competition to a poor testing system that has only an inherent moral basis And of course the opportunity for litigation thtat that provides ... Is that correct ?? For example Butch Reynolds and his trip down litigation lane ... Now there was a great example of looking out after our athletes !!! Didn'tb he win ?? Oh wat, he never got paid !! Yeah ... Let's base a system on the potntial nature of litigation !!! That works ... - Original Message - From: "Richard McCann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Dan Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 3:25 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: major philosphy difference for the sport The problem with your proposal is that it does open up the use of drugs which MAY be harmful. Given the litigious nature of our society today, I can already see an athlete suing the IAAF for allowing the use of a harmful substance, which in effect required the athlete to use the substance to be competitive. You only need to look at the actions on electromagnetic radiation from cell phones and electric appliances to realize that this could be a very substantial liability. (And there are many more examples--just look at Superfund litigation.) This situation means that we need to err on the side of caution on this issue. Richard McCann -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx (TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: Killing the sport was major philosophy difference for the sport
NCAA not lilly white either. http://espn.go.com/gen/s/2000/1207/929862.html P.F.Talbot wrote: The high school kids in the U.S. have been on drugs for a long time: http://espn.go.com/gen/s/2000/1213/945303.html The steroid-use rate is 5-8% of ALL high school boys. I would bet that most of the use is done by athletes so put it over 10%. Probably concentrated in football, but a whole lot of HS footballers compete in track and field. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wes Cook Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 11:54 AM To: Tom Derderian; lehane; Dan Kaplan Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Killing the sport was major philosphy difference for the sport H. We're not so naïve as to suggest that the NCAA is drug-free? How about some of the foreign athletes who have matriculated (are matriculating) and their track "records" without even starting on our citizen participants? Otherwise, what is the purpose for NCAA drug testing. Hopefully to try and deter the athlete, alas, we also know how difficult it is to "catch the culprits"! It's a filter down system. May I be so bold as to suggest the high schools are even caught up in this whole chase your tail game. We're in a pill-popping, needle-sticking culture and time. Wes Cook, George Fox University -Original Message- From: Tom Derderian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:43 AM To: lehane; Dan Kaplan Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Killing the sport was major philosphy difference for the sport Drugs are killing the sport and what is driving drugs is money. Are they related? Maybe there is a place for expressed amateur sports? Such is the NCAA. Tom - Original Message - From: "lehane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Dan Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:31 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: major philosphy difference for the sport How 'bout it's killing the sport. Dan Kaplan wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If lots of people decide to rob banks and don't see anything wrong with it, and the police can't keep up, does that mean that bank robbery should be made legal? Robbing banks has a clearly defined ill effect on society. That's yet to be demonstrated very convincingly with regards to performance enhancing drugs. Next. Dan = http://AbleDesign.com - Web Design & Custom Programming http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy T&F @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] <|\/ <^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax / / __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarxª 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
t-and-f: 34.92 deg Sectors
Netters, As many of you already know, the NCAA has adopted the IAAF and USATF 34.92 degree sector for the shot, discus, hammer, (and weight throw). In response to several requests for information on laying out this sector, I have posted a diagram on my web page. If you are interested, go to http://www.computomarx.com/Sector.htm -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx^(TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: major philosphy difference for the sport
Sorry if I disillusion you, Randy, but there was a lot of doping by U.S. athletes in the 70s. In the 60s too, unfortunately. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the additional factors is professionalism. It may be that one of the influences in the increase in pursuit of chemical training aids is money. The eastern block seemed to lead the way in the 70's when their athletes were professional for all intents and purposes- it was basically 'dope or go home and get a job as a welder because you won't be a member of any state-sponsored athletics club'. Those who chose to remain in the club in pursuit of international fame for the DDR/USSR,etc were handsomely rewarded (compared to fellow citizens) with economic incentives. -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarxª 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: Sandrock: Buffs set to open 2003 season
ier (the 2001 NCAA runner-up) all crossed the finish in uniform in 22:53. Running unattached, Jackie Zeigle finsiehd eighth (23:39) while Kendall Grgas-Wheeler (23:44) and Katie Kissane (24:17) rounded out the CU effort. 'It was muddy, but then again, this is cross country,' said two-time All-American Sara Gorton on the rain-drenched course. 'Our goal was to break it to six and keep together. There were 10 of us together and each mile we broke away. This is the best I've felt in a time trial, but I'm not sure if it's because we're fit or that we ran slower so it felt easy. But it's a good indication of how fit our young team is.' 'Our plan this season is to be conservative from August to November, and run hard late,' said CU assistant coach Jay Johnson. 'If they ran slower and felt great, then that's right on line for the whole season. We really went into today wanting it to be an easier race than a year ago.' The Buffs officially open the season Sept. 13 when CU's developmental teams run at Colorado College. The varsity will be in full form Oct. 4 when they host the 18th annual Rocky Mountain Shootout on the Buffalo Ranch at CU South Campus. COLORADO OPEN/ALUMNI/TIME TRIAL Men's 8k 1. Brent Vaughn 26.50 2. Billy Nelson 26:51 3. Casey Bruchill 26:51 4. Bret Schoolmeester 26:51 5. Payton Batliner 26:51 6. Jared Scott, CU 26:52 7. Jon Severy, CU 26:52 8. Pete Janson 27:16 9. Bryan Dillon, CU 27:29 10. Matt McCue, CU 27:31 11. Stephen Pifer 27:37 12. Austin Baille, CU 27:52 13. Greg Castro 28:01 14. Will Campbell 28:02 15. Matt Piccarello 28:26 Women's 6k 1. Shanna Sparks 22:50 2. Erica Siemers 22:50 3. Christine Bolf 22:51 4. Kalin Toedebusch , CU 22:52 5. Natalie Florence, CU 22:53 6. Sara Gorton, CU 22:53 7. Renee Metivier, CU 22:59 8. Jackie Zeigle23:39 9. Kendall Grgas-Wheeler, CU 23:44 10. Katie Kissane, CU 24:17 11. Gretta Simpson, Mines 24:38 12. Ashley Wagle24:38 13. Alexandra Forest24:44 14. Erin Marston 24:59 15. Raquel Morgan 25:37 === "I like the dreams of the future better than the history of the past." Patrick Henry _ Sign up for a 6mb FREE email from http://www.spl.at Join the buzz, chat with us! http://chat.spl.at -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarxª 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: Drummond Quits Track Championships
I read that rule before I made my post. 146.1 refers to protests over whether an athlete is eligible to compete in a meet at all. 146.4 permits a field event to be measured if the athlete protests a foul call. Nothing in Rule 146 permits an athlete DQed for a starting violation to run the race under protest. Mike Takaha wrote: It's in section 1 of Rule 146 (Protests and Appeals). It isn't restricted to false start situations. Mike Takaha - Original Message - From: "Wayne T. Armbrust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:29 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Drummond Quits Track Championships Where is this rule that supposedly allows a runner to compete under protest after a false start DQ? I can't find it in the IAAF rule book. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:13:26 -0400, you wrote: The current rule allows for the possibility of a runner competing under protest after a disqualification. But the ultimate decision is up to race officials. Starting Jan. 1, the rule will change and no runner will be allowed to compete under a protest. -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarxª 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000) -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarxª 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
t-and-f: Slow 100m
Netters, I'm surprised that there has been little comment on how slow the men's 100 final was. What are your theories? Wind was 0.0. There didn't seem to be apprehension about the starting system as reaction times averaged 0.141, with a short of 0.112 (successful anticipation? 0.158 in semi) by Campbell and a long of 0.164 by Emedolu in eighth place. Only Campbell had a SB. By contrast, in the women's race with 0.9 wind there were a WL, two PBs, and three SBs. I assume the track was the same Mondo composition used in other recent Majors. Can it all be explained by lack of a tail wind? -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarxª 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: Drummond Quits Track Championships
Where is this rule that supposedly allows a runner to compete under protest after a false start DQ? I can't find it in the IAAF rule book. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:13:26 -0400, you wrote: The current rule allows for the possibility of a runner competing under protest after a disqualification. But the ultimate decision is up to >race officials. Starting Jan. 1, the rule will change and no runner will be allowed to compete under a protest. -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarxª 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: Re: Into the Toilet
I'm sure they weren't all on the same day, but Frank Budd and Ray Norton finished last and next to last in the 100 with fast times going in, the men's 4x100 was DQ (zone violation I think), and either Budd or Norton (Budd I think) ran poorly in the 200. Roger Ruth wrote: SGMW wrote, of Monday's results: Not one medal and not many qualifiers. All in all, one of the worst days in the history of American track and field. I'm reminded, but only vaguely, of another day then described as one of the worst in American track and field history. If I have any of it right, it was at the 1960 Rome Olympics and began with world record claimant Bill Alley failing to qualify in the javelin, although the event was won at a distance 12' below Alley's seasonal best and eighth-place was fully 40' short of his prospective world record. I can't remember the other catastrophes of that "darkest day." Could someone with a better memory (or a longer bookshelf) remind us of what they were? -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarxª 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: Felix goes pro... signs with Adidas
Starting to run like Webb, too, unfortunately. See results from 200 QF. Kebba Tolbert wrote: http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/gen/wire?messageId=22385312 Kebba Tolbert ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) = Head Coach -- Portland State University Track & Field/Cross Country GO VIKS!! www.goviks.com MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. <http://g.msn.com/8HMCENUS/2728??PS=> -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarxª 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
t-and-f: Astapkovich
I'm glad I'm not his coach! How can someone 40 years old foul 3 times? -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarxª 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: Drummond DQ
It's hard to believe that a person could be "drawn out" by another person and still have a reaction time only 0.034 sec. more than the person supposedly doing the "drawing." This would mean that a person could react to a stimulus in approximately 1/3 the accepted minimum reaction time of 0.100 sec. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, the IAAF electronically recorded reaction times show that Drummond went BEFORE Powell, not the other way around. Drummond (USA) with 0.052 sec and Assafa Powell (JAM) 0.086. The accepted reaction time is 0.100 sec. Not that the rule makes any distinction anyway- they were both DQ'd. But even if the rule WERE worded such that the 'first to go is the only one DQ'd' it would appear to have been Drummond who have been given the heave-ho, not Powell! Okay Jon, back in your court. Were the starting blocks sending bad signals too? RT -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarxª 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: Kenyan Drug Scandel
B. Kunnath wrote: From: Dan Kaplan If you can enlighten me as to how that is no different from the T&F drug accusation situation, then I will be quite impressed. snip Likewise in the drug postings. Every time Ive asked someone to come forward and actually put names, dates and locations, theres some major backpedalling. I have yet to see a single person come on here or any other running page and claim point blank that he/she has witnessed or specifically knows of someone doing the dope. Malmo has. He named the Eugene physician that was providing steroids for AW and even admitted to using Winsterol (sp?) himself. -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarxª 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: Re: T&F Jericho Mile at Athens?
From " Outside" article: TRACK DOWN PIZZA, located across the street from the University of Oregon at Eugene, is a shrine to track-and-field. Many of the photos covering the walls, of great runners like Steve Prefontaine and Alberto Salazar, were shot at the U of O's Hayward Field, the sport's Yankee Stadium. Gill believes he'll earn a place on the photo wall, but don't count on seeing his face up there. Track Town was the site of the 1997 holdup that sent him to prison. It's Track Town Pizza. I was there myself a little over a week ago. -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarxª 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
t-and-f: Slaney for Hall of Fame?
Netters, Looking at my ballot for Track & Field Hall of Fame I see that Mary Decker Slaney is on it. While there is no doubt that she has prima facie credentials for the HoF, the fact that her career ended with a drug suspension makes me wonder why she was even put on the ballot. I might feel different if she had acknowledged her offense and made an apology to the U.S. track and field community for the embarrassment she caused instead of coming up with the lame excuse that she did, that somehow birth control pills caused her testosterone-epitestosterone level to be more than 10 times normal. If she had shown some remorse I could see her being selected for the Hall in 20 years or so. What is her status with the IAAF? She was supposed to return the prize money she won after the 1995(?) World Indoor Championships, but she vowed that she would not. Wouldn't she stay suspended by the IAAF until she did return the money? Under the present set of circumstances I would urge that HoF voters not vote for her. There are plenty of other deserving candidates on the ballot. -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
t-and-f: Marshall Goss Retires
http://iuhoosiers.com/menstrackandfield/news/02-03/mtr07-14-03.html I'm surprised there was no mention here about Marshall's retirement. I found out today from a customer. A fine man, a great coach, and a good friend. I wish him the best. -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarxª 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: 20-year old teenager
That's just how the cookie crumbles. It's too bad for those who would be excluded because they don't have documentation of their date of birth, but neither is it fair for real Jrs. and Youth to have to complete against people with phony birth dates. I would be surprised if there are not abuses in the up coming IAAF Youth Championships. B. Kunnath wrote: > > > The flip side to that arguement being that there will be many innocent teenagers who happen to be born in outlying rural areas of Africa, who through no fault of their own will be ruled ineligible to compete. Surpising as it may seemt o many people, many births in rural areas are not recorded, and the records or others are mismanaged and end up lost. This is not uncommon even today. Doesnt seem right to punish them. > > > bob > > > >Which is exactly why the IAAF must either require valid birth > > >certificates for all entrants in the World Jr. Championships and > >World Youth Championships. -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarxª 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "A hammer breaks glass, and makes steel"
Re: t-and-f: 20-year old teenager
Which is exactly why the IAAF must either require valid birth certificates for all entrants in the World Jr. Championships and World Youth Championships. They can no longer accept the lame excuses offered by some countries as to why this is impossible. These events are a farce otherwise. Post, Marty wrote: From the Taking Kenyans' Birthdates With a Grain of Salt file. The following appeared within the IAAF report on the Paris Golden League meet last Friday: "Gebrselassie first moved into the lead at 3000 metres (7:44.62) before letting Benjamin Limo take over the running again with a tightly grouped pack of leaders, including 20 year old Eliud Kipchoge (KEN), ..." Kipchoge is the same guy who set a new world junior record of 12:52.61 at the Bislett 5000 meters the week before. He also won this year's World Junior Cross Country championship back in March. Apparently he's now skipped right past 19-years of age, as so far his official birthday has been stated as 05 November 1984. -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarxª 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "A hammer breaks glass, and makes steel"
t-and-f: Harold Connolly Memoirs
Netters, If you haven't seen Harold Connolly's memoirs titled "Different Limbs" yet I recommend it highly. Great reading available for free download at http://www.hammerthrow.com/harold/ -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx™ 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "I never expected to compete in the Olympics at age 30. It was just so much fun to run track..." - Mike Larrabee (1933-2003)
Re: t-and-f: Re: NCAA-Michigan
You didn't see how good he looked at Columbus. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forth in the NCAAs is poorly? Somebody needs to be sent to the reality gulag for programming. malmo From: Richard McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 2003/06/16 Mon AM 11:25:30 CDT To: (T&FMail List) [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: "Wayne T. Armbrust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: t-and-f: Re: NCAA-Michigan At 08:09 AM 6/16/2003 -0700, t-and-f-digest wrote.. Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 21:41:39 -0500 From: "Wayne T. Armbrust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: t-and-f: NCAA Does anyone know why Brannen and Willis ran so poorly? They looked great when I saw them at Columbus. Willis fell at about 750m was 50m behind before he could start again. The 800 field was very even. Brannen did not run a smart race and got caught behind several runners, and could never make a run for the finish. He didn't seem to have much at the end. Warhurst said beforehand that they feed off each other, and Willis' fall may have taken the wind out of Brannen's sails. Richard McCann -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx™ 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "I never expected to compete in the Olympics at age 30. It was just so much fun to run track..." - Mike Larrabee (1933-2003)
t-and-f: NCAA
Does anyone know why Brannen and Willis ran so poorly? They looked great when I saw them at Columbus. Also, I was really surprised that Sylvester of Tennessee didn't make the finals. -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx" 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "I never expected to compete in the Olympics at age 30. It was just so much fun to run track..." - Mike Larrabee (1933-2003)
t-and-f: 1000 at Stanford GP
Netters, Just finding time to write about this. Did anyone but me notice the staggers for the 1000 at the Stanford GP? It looked like they started the 1000 off of the same 1-turn staggers used for the 200. If so, for a IAAF Standard track, the runner in lane 8 would have to run approximately 0.42 m extra because there is no break line correction incorporated into the 200 m staggers. The break line correction is incorporated into the staggers of races like the 800 and 4x400 where the runners start in lanes and the break for the pole during the race. The break line correction accounts for the extra distance the runner must cover traveling diagonally across the track at the break. The correction is zero for lane 1 and has a maximum value in the outermost lane. The break line correction should have been used for the 1000 since one turn was run in lanes with a break entering the home straight. The magnitude of the break line correction is equal to the amount of curvature of the break line at the location of the measure line of each lane. It is interesting to note that the staggers for the 800 apparently correctly incorporate the break line correction. The green 800 starting staggers had white staggers behind them. These white lines are apparently used for the 200 to run the race in the opposite direction when there is a head wind on the home straight. An extra set of staggers should have been set out for the 1000 staggered the same as the staggers for the 800. I don't know who was in lane 8 but at a 2:20 pace his time for the race was about 0.06 sec. slower than it should have been. A lot of races are won or lost by less. It certainly doesn't help record attempts, either. I'm surprised that a mistake of this type would have been made at a meet of this caliber. -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx" 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "I never expected to compete in the Olympics at age 30. It was just so much fun to run track..." - Mike Larrabee (1933-2003)
Re: t-and-f: [Fwd: KHALID KHANNOUCHI COMES HOME, The world's fastestmarathoner to run Chicagoagain in 2003]
How about these being ahead of him for starters? Bikila: Repeat Olympic Champion, '60 and '64. Shorter: Gold in Munich and silver in Montreal (likely gold if there had been better drug testing). Abera: Gold in Sidney and Edmonton. These proved their dominance, not by just running fast times but winning the biggest races available to them. That is the true mark of a champion. B. Kunnath wrote: I dont know Wayne, in a sport as demanding and varied as marathoning, maybe World and Olympic records shouldn't be the deciding factor on who is called the greatest. KK could easily claim that status with the speed and consistency and longevity of his time on top. I dont think there is anyone else who can match his overall quality of consistent top level preformances in the marathon. Sure a medal would add to his stature, but not having one just doesn't diminish what hes accomplished, or place anyone else ahead of him. bob Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection <http://g.msn.com/8HMTENUS/2734??PS=> with MSN 8. -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx™ 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "I never expected to compete in the Olympics at age 30. It was just so much fun to run track..." - Mike Larrabee (1933-2003)
Re: t-and-f: [Fwd: KHALID KHANNOUCHI COMES HOME, The world's fastestmarathoner to run Chicagoagain in 2003]
Mike Prizy wrote: PRESS RELEASE from The LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon snip Khalid Khannouchi comes Home The world's fastest marathoner to run Chicago again in 2003 Chicago (May 27, 2003) To say that Khalid Khannouchi has dominated the streets of Chicago is an understatement. With four first-place feats, including a record setting performance, Khannouchi's dominance is one of the great sports stories in Chicago. Khalid Khannouchi, 31, the fastest marathon runner in history, will return to his home away from home to showcase his dominance in marathoning on the streets of Chicago. Khannouchi, who is in town this week meeting with Executive Race Director Carey Pinkowski, has committed to run his sixth LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon. "Khalid Khannouchi is undoubtedly the greatest marathon runner of all time," remarked Pinkowski. "His epic performances and dramatic finishes in Chicago are some of, if not the best, moments in the history of marathoning." You probably ought to wait until he wins at least one Olympic or World Championship before saying that, Carey. -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx™ 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "I never expected to compete in the Olympics at age 30. It was just so much fun to run track..." - Mike Larrabee (1933-2003)
