t-and-f: Pre-NCAA Men's Combined Scoring
Ok...I only got time to finish the Pre-NCAA men's UNOFFICIAL combined scoring this morning. Same comments as about the women's: anything within 5-10 points is essentially tied. Colorado92 Stanford152 NC St 248 Notre Dame 278 USAF297 UCSB309 Arizona 321 Villanova 343 N. Ariz 344 E. Michigan 347 Duke351 Arizona St 383 Wake Forest 442 BYU 482 Indiana 549 Michigan St 575 Oregon 578 Washington St 590 Florida St 593 Miami 653 Colorado St 694 Washington 714 Loyola 730 Butler 742 Georgetown 760 Alabama 764 Weber St777 Centrl Mich 783 Iowa818 Nebraska839 Dartmouth 868 Cincinnati 880 LaSalle 891 Minnesota 894 Cornell 908 New Mexico 945 Baylor 956 Columbia960 Appalachian St 966 Virginia988 St. Francis 996 Princeton 1081 Ohio St 1101 GaTech 1135 Oakland 1177 Clemson 1216 Bucknell1254 Kentucky1266 Florida 1267 Tenn1269 Texas 1333 Marquette 1351 E. Illinios 1364 Marshalll 1395 Georgia 1407 UNC 1409 Kent St 1426 Belmont 1539 Liberty 1566 W. Kentucky 1592 Youngstown 1635 Brown 1674 Missouri1721 Texas Tech 1743 Ball State 1746 Samford 1749 Winthrop1818 UNC Charlotte 1820 Creighton 1984 S. Florida 2166 UNC Asheville 2198 Mike Scott Vice Chair/Secretary, USATF Cross Country Council Clubs Coordinator, Team USA Distance Running Coordinator, CanAm High Performance Distance Circuit [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://miscott.home.att.net/
t-and-f: Colemanballs
Sorry to wander off topic, but given the interest in track commentators on the list I thought the following might be of light-hearted interest to some. Formula One commentator Murray Walker hung up the mike today, after sometimes informing, often confusing but always entertaining BBC audiences for over half a century. (OK it's not T&F, but it's a slow day and at least it's not another drug story). Here are some of Murray's gems of wisdom. "And now excuse me while I interrupt myself!" "This is lap 26 which, unless I'm very much mistaken, is halfway through this 58 lap race." "Alboreto into the pits and I'm going to stop the startwatch." "There is a man with a great Grand Prix future behind him!" "There is nothing wrong with the car except that it is on fire." "...Ralf Schumacher, son of Michael Schumacher..." "The first four cars are both on the same tyres." "There's been a major malmisorganisation problem there!" "And Michael Schumacher is actually in a very good position. He is in last place." "With half the race gone there is half the race still to go." "The crowd holds its joint breath!" "Look up there! That's the sky!" "A sad ending, albeit a happy one, here at Montreal for today's Grand Prix." "I imagine the conditions in those cars today are totally unimaginable." "Schumacher is either coming into the pits on this lap or he's not." "Twenty four points for Schumacher, twenty three points for Hill, so there's only one point between them if my mental arithmetic is correct. "The beak of the Ayrton Senna chicken is pushing its way through the shell." "...and now he is on Lap 77 out of 73!" " ... and Edson Arantes di Nascimento, commonly known to us as Pele hands the award to Damon Hill, commonly known to us as... Damon Hill " "It's raining and the track is wet!" "And now the boot is on the other Schumacher!" "I make no apologies for their absence. I'm sorry they're not here." "This would have been Ayrton Senna's third win in a row had he won the two before." "He's here again for the first time." "A mediocre season for Nelson Piquet as he is now known and always has been." "And Michael Schumacher, as I expected, is now extending his lead over Michael Schumacher!" "...in 12th and 13th the two Jaguars of Eddie Irvine." "This is an interesting circuit because it has inclines, and not just up, but down as well." "The Benetton...handling superbly as ever. Williams have worked very, very hard on this car at the beginning of the season." "Even in five years' time, he (Coulthard) will still be four years younger than Damon Hill." "Jenson Button ... driving like the veteran he is not." "And Nelson Piquet must be furious with himself inside his helmet." "And we have had 5 races so far this year, Brazil, Argentina, Imola, Schumacher and Monaco!" "We are in lap 19 of lap 19." "This is lap 54. After that it's 55, 56, 57, 58 ... "Either the car is stationary or it's on the move." "For the second time in the very recent future ..." "He's shedding buckets of adrenaline in that car!" "We now have exactly the same situation as at the beginning of the race, only exactly opposite." "His hopes, which were nil before, are absolutely zero now." "Ralf Schumacher has been upstaged by the teenager, Jenson Button, who is 20." "He can't decide whether to have his visor half open or half closed." "The status quo could well be as it was before." "Heinz Harald Frentzen has already won three Grands Prix this year - two of them last year..." "Speaking from memory, I don't know how many points Piquet has got." "There are four different cars filling the first four places." "I wonder if Watson is in the relaxed state of mind that he's in?" "The faster he goes the quicker he'll get to the pits. The slower he goes the longer it will take" "There goes Panis in the Prost. For years we knew them as Ligiers, because that is what they were called." "With two laps to go then the action will begin, unless this is the action, which it is." "The battle is well and truly on if it wasn't before, and it certainly was." "Now, in case there is any confusion - Coulthard leads and has yet to stop, Hakkinen leads and has yet to stop." "He's in front of everyone in this race except for the two in front of him." "He's not going to produce a winner, but if he produces second it'll be the next best thing." "It's not quite a curve. It's a straight actually!" "Now he must not go the wrong way round the circuit, and unless he can spin himself stationary through 360 degrees I fail to see how he can avoid doing so." "... the man who won in 83, 85, and 86, so this could be his hat trick." "It looks as though this year there will be seventeen Grands Prix for the World Championship, compared with the traditional seventeen." "Barrichello is about to drive in his fourth race for Ferrari, following the great Ayrton Senna who never drove for Ferrari." "Alboreto has dropped back up to fifth place.
t-and-f: 9/11 causes route change
A little more on the Ellicottville tragedy too. "Jim Ralston, race director of the Oct. 21 Casino Niagara International Marathon, made it official last week. He announced the marathon will be held completely in Canada and won't be coming over the Peace Bridge, citing the additional strain the race would put on customs and immigration agents already working long hours because of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks." http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20011014/101019748.asp Regards, Martin
t-and-f: Need Budapest 10K results ASAP
Greetings, all Haven't been able to find Avon 10K results from Budapest. Avon Web site is no help. Need info ASAP on how Milena Glusac did. Many thanks. Ken Stone Union-Tribune sports copy editor
t-and-f: Pan-Am Juniors?
Does anyone know of a website for results of this meet, which I believe begins in Argentina this Thursday? Thanks!
Re: t-and-f: 9/11 causes route change
The Detroit Free Press Marathon has been similarly impacted, and will not run through the tunnel to Canada this year. A new course, completely in the Motor City, has been designed. Jim Gerweck Running Times
t-and-f: Penn State National Invitational-Women
Results of Saturday's PSU National Invite, women's 6K, at the Penn State golf course. Merten (FL) led throughout, but was followed closely by Wale (PSU) for 2 miles before pulling away for a comfortable win. Wale, a freshman, has emerged as Penn State's best runner this season and was named Big Ten female XC athlete of the week last week. The team race was up for grabs much of the way, but JMU's superior grouping (34s for 1-5) carried the day. Bill Bahnfleth Women's 6,000 Meter Run WOMEN'S TEAM SCORES Rank School Total 1 2 3 4 5 *6 *7 *8 *9 === 1 James Madison 35 3 4 7 8 13 14 16 Total time: 1:50:48.10 Average: 22:09.62 2 Penn State 56 2 6 11 18 19 20 24 Total time: 1:51:47.00 Average: 22:21.40 3 William & Mary 71 5 12 15 17 22 31 33 Total time: 1:52:44.18 Average: 22:32.84 4 Florida 89 1 10 25 26 27 28 34 Total time: 1:53:05.90 Average: 22:37.18 Results by Order of Finish RANK COMP# ATHLETE NAME SCHOOL AVG MILE TIME SCORE --- 1 207 Merten, Erin Florida 5:44 21:24.83 1 2 339 Wale, Michelle Penn State 5:48 21:37.79 2 3 217 DeFrancesco, Mollie James Madison 5:52 21:52.34 3 4 218 Dunham, Cindy James Madison 5:54 22:01.25 4 5 482 McMahon, Maura William & Mary 5:57 22:10.99 5 6 338 Thomas, Maureen Penn State 5:57 22:12.45 6 7 221 Hutchins, Suzie James Madison 5:57 22:14.24 7 8 222 Lapetoda, Jennifer James Madison 5:58 22:14.72 8 9 253 Hull, Lucinda Lehigh 5:58 22:18.37 9 10 201 Cookingly, Carling Florida 5:59 22:21.11 10 11 329 Lenge, Chelsea Penn State 6:00 22:23.24 11 12 488 Toscani, Lara William & Mary 6:00 22:24.58 12 13 214 Burauski, Lauren James Madison 6:00 22:25.55 13 14 225 Romano, Brett James Madison 6:02 22:30.32 14 Complete results: http://www.gopsusports.com/crosscountrym/pressrelease/pressrelease.cfm?anncid=1664 ___ William P. Bahnfleth, Ph.D., P.E. Associate Professor Department of Architectural Engineering The Pennsylvania State University 224 Engineering Unit A University Park, PA 16802-1416 USA voice: (814)863-2076 / fax: (814)863-4789 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.engr.psu.edu/ae/faculty/bahnfleth.htm ___ ___ William P. Bahnfleth, Ph.D., P.E. Associate Professor Department of Architectural Engineering The Pennsylvania State University 224 Engineering Unit A University Park, PA 16802-1416 USA voice: (814)863-2076 / fax: (814)863-4789 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.engr.psu.edu/ae/faculty/bahnfleth.htm ___
t-and-f: The list
This is to follow up concerns regarding the perceived drop-off in the quality of the list. One of the issues i have as a non-US participant (I reside "down under"), is that track and field is not the major topic of discussion over the period Oct, Nov, Dec etc, as the list gets extremely US-centric and College X-C etc becomes the focus. I have no particular problem with this, as I accept the majority of list members are interested in these comps. One issue for me (and perhaps others, i don't know), is that i don't actually have a complete grasp on the NCAA system. I don't understand what the purpose of Pre-Nats are - is it just to see the course/opposition or was there some value in performing in terms of qualification? In essence I have a series of questions that i couldn't find answers to very easily on the NCAA/collegerunning sites: 1. How do schools qualify for NCAA champs? 2. How do individuals qualify? 3. What is the role of divisional champs and how come some schools don't have a divisional alignment? 4. How do "at large" quals work? 5. Why are there no rankings/predictions of individuals' race results/rankings similar to the Team rankings? Background to my interest/questions and an example you might use to illustrate your explanation: an old clubmate of mine Marty Fedmowski is at Butler in Indianapolis... they don't seem to be in a conference... but they beat a couple of the ranked schools at Pre-Nats... what do they to qualify And he finished 9th in his Pre-nats Race and probably 25-26th overall... does this make any difference to his chance of running at Champs? Thanks in advance to anyone who can remedy my ignorance/confusion... And maybe this might serve as a reminder that not all on here are from the US and that your systems are far from transparent... (Other topics i might raise in the future include "what the hell is NAIA basketball and why would we see it on cable here?") Oh, and i love GH and Malmo's jokes... they lighten up what can be dreary reading... Thanks, Andre Sammartino A cog in the wheel of the Bayside machine 1999-2000, 2000-1 State League (Men's) Champions "Are you hip to our funky groove?" http://surf.to/bayside