t-and-f: Al Dawson
Vin Lananna called with the sad news that Al Dawson, his mentor and close friend for the last thirty years, passed away on Saturday. As reported last week, the 80-year old Dawson was doing what he loved best, coaching high school athletes, when he was struck in the head by an errant shot as he was measuring an earlier throw. There is still some confusion as to the actual cause of Dawson's eventual death. His family was told by medical personnel that he may have simply suffered an aneurysm on the field at the time the student was throwing the shot. Lananna started his coaching career as Dawson's assistant at NY's C.W.Post College after graduating from the school in 1975. No details yet on any service. Walt Murphy
t-and-f: Olympic Trials/BS (whoops, I mean BCS)
yeah, that's right. I am going to talk about football. It relates to the whole Olympic Trials winner vs. time qualifier argument so it is not totally off topic. Plus, this list is hosted by the University of Oregon and I'm sure they don't care if I bash the BS (I mean BCS) for a while. If a 26 point butt kicking doesn't prove that you are a better team then what does? It is absolutely ridiculous that Nebraska is going to the Rose Bowl when they are not even the best team in their conference. No fancy computer formulas needed, Colorado beat them where it really counts, HEAD TO HEAD COMPETITION. Then Colorado beat Texas. When you think of who is playing the best right now, you have to be under the influence of some sort of illegal chemicals if you do not inlcude Colorado in the top two somewhere. This brings me to my point about the Olympic Trials. Nebraska is the guy who ran 2:09 on some parking lot course in Chicago or Europe or wherever. The Olympic Trials (Big 12 playoffs) roll around and the 2:09 guy gets beat by a few guys who know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, and know when to run (Colorado). What this really shows is who can run (play football) when it is all on the line, be it an Olympic team spot or a berth in the Big 12 Championship game. Sure, this 2:09 guy can run whatever kind of fast times he wants in off years and the cagey competitor may get beat a few times, let's say he might win 10 races and only lose 2 (perhaps because of the 2nd toughest schedule in the country), but when it comes down to it the gamer will win when it counts and the 2:09 guy will make excuses and/or rely on some messed up computer formula.
Re: t-and-f: Olympic Trials/BS (whoops, I mean BCS)
I like your analogy, and would like to take it a step further. Oregon is the guy who won the Kenyan trials in 2:10 and Illinois was the 2:12 winner of the ethiopian trials at altitude (being that they are from the 2 best conferences) and LSU is the surprise winner of the always tough Japanese trials. Shouldn't they all be able to run at the games? -Original Message- From: Keenan Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, December 10, 2001 10:04 AM Subject: t-and-f: Olympic Trials/BS (whoops, I mean BCS) yeah, that's right. I am going to talk about football. It relates to the whole Olympic Trials winner vs. time qualifier argument so it is not totally off topic. Plus, this list is hosted by the University of Oregon and I'm sure they don't care if I bash the BS (I mean BCS) for a while. If a 26 point butt kicking doesn't prove that you are a better team then what does? It is absolutely ridiculous that Nebraska is going to the Rose Bowl when they are not even the best team in their conference. No fancy computer formulas needed, Colorado beat them where it really counts, HEAD TO HEAD COMPETITION. Then Colorado beat Texas. When you think of who is playing the best right now, you have to be under the influence of some sort of illegal chemicals if you do not inlcude Colorado in the top two somewhere. This brings me to my point about the Olympic Trials. Nebraska is the guy who ran 2:09 on some parking lot course in Chicago or Europe or wherever. The Olympic Trials (Big 12 playoffs) roll around and the 2:09 guy gets beat by a few guys who know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, and know when to run (Colorado). What this really shows is who can run (play football) when it is all on the line, be it an Olympic team spot or a berth in the Big 12 Championship game. Sure, this 2:09 guy can run whatever kind of fast times he wants in off years and the cagey competitor may get beat a few times, let's say he might win 10 races and only lose 2 (perhaps because of the 2nd toughest schedule in the country), but when it comes down to it the gamer will win when it counts and the 2:09 guy will make excuses and/or rely on some messed up computer formula.
t-and-f: Potts Library VI
Well, gang, here we go again. This note is an update of material remaining from other posts plus some additional material you may be interested in having. All of these books are scarce and priced very reasonably. I have combined everything now in one list. You know the details, first to let me know and then sends check gets them. Checks payable to me and sent to 4432 Snowbird Circle, Cerritos, California 90703. You won't find these books in stores! 1972 Potts-RLQ All Time List - 86 pages - 4 Remain - 15.00 1961 Potts-RLQ All Time List - 136 pages - 5 - New Listing - Very Scarce! - 20.00 1959 Potts-RLQ All Time List - 110 pages - 6 - New Listing - 15.00 1958 European TF Handbook - RLQ - 128 pages - 7 - New Listing - 15.00 1969 European TF Handbook - RLQ - 108 pages - 4 - New Listing - 20.00 1971 European TF Handbook - RLQ - 95 pages - 3 - New Listing - 20.00 1948 Olympic Games Handbook - Potts-RLQ - Extremely Rare! - The first book by these 2 giants! - 70 pages - 3 - New Listing - 40.00 1960 Olympic Games Handbook - Potts-RLQ - 126 pages - 7 remain - 15.00 1955 US All-Time List - Potts - First one ever done to this depth! - 42 pages - 4 - New Listing - 20.00 More to follow perhaps after Xmas. Thanks for your support with this; the money is going to the Potts family and they are grateful. Scott Davis
t-and-f: Elite 800s, miles at Armory on Feb.8.
The best U.S. collegiate meet of the 2002 season may be the one that will be held at NY's Armory on Feb.8-9. LSU, Stanford, Tennessee, South Carolina, and Texas are just some of the teams coming in. Friday night will feature hot DMRs, as well as Elite 800s and Miles (men and women). The Farm Team is expected to send a number of entries...anyone else interested in getting into the elite races should contact Bob Rothenberg at 401-863-1041. This is a good opportunity for athletes to get on the Armory's lightning-fast track before the U.S. Nationals, which will be held there on March 1-2. Walt Murphy
t-and-f: Centers for Excellence T/F Clinic
This Friday and Saturday (12/14-15), coach Bob Fraley is hosting the first annual Centers for Excellence Track and Field Clinic at Fresno State University. Check out the link for the clinic here: http://66.113.200.174/Track_Clinic_2001.htm Additional info can be acquired by phoning coach Fraley at 559/278-4097 Happy Holidays and hope to see you there. Joe
Re: t-and-f: Olympic Trials/BS (whoops, I mean BCS)
Maybe Oregon as the winner of the Kenyan trials is accurate, but Illinois is more like the winner of the US trials (well, maybe not that bad). The Big Ten may have a great history, but it was certainly not one of the top two conferences this year. --- Mitchell S. Clair, Esq [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like your analogy, and would like to take it a step further. Oregon is the guy who won the Kenyan trials in 2:10 and Illinois was the 2:12 winner of the ethiopian trials at altitude (being that they are from the 2 best conferences) and LSU is the surprise winner of the always tough Japanese trials. Shouldn't they all be able to run at the games? -Original Message- From: Keenan Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, December 10, 2001 10:04 AM Subject: t-and-f: Olympic Trials/BS (whoops, I mean BCS) yeah, that's right. I am going to talk about football. It relates to the whole Olympic Trials winner vs. time qualifier argument so it is not totally off topic. Plus, this list is hosted by the University of Oregon and I'm sure they don't care if I bash the BS (I mean BCS) for a while. If a 26 point butt kicking doesn't prove that you are a better team then what does? It is absolutely ridiculous that Nebraska is going to the Rose Bowl when they are not even the best team in their conference. No fancy computer formulas needed, Colorado beat them where it really counts, HEAD TO HEAD COMPETITION. Then Colorado beat Texas. When you think of who is playing the best right now, you have to be under the influence of some sort of illegal chemicals if you do not inlcude Colorado in the top two somewhere. This brings me to my point about the Olympic Trials. Nebraska is the guy who ran 2:09 on some parking lot course in Chicago or Europe or wherever. The Olympic Trials (Big 12 playoffs) roll around and the 2:09 guy gets beat by a few guys who know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, and know when to run (Colorado). What this really shows is who can run (play football) when it is all on the line, be it an Olympic team spot or a berth in the Big 12 Championship game. Sure, this 2:09 guy can run whatever kind of fast times he wants in off years and the cagey competitor may get beat a few times, let's say he might win 10 races and only lose 2 (perhaps because of the 2nd toughest schedule in the country), but when it comes down to it the gamer will win when it counts and the 2:09 guy will make excuses and/or rely on some messed up computer formula. = Kelley Halliburton Trade Marketing Manager Human Kinetics Publishers Champaign, IL __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com
t-and-f: dude with range
from time to time we've raised the names of guys with super range (like sub-4:00/sub-2:10 people). Here's a new one I don't recall anyone mentioning. Driss Al Himer of France (né Morocco) won the Amsterdam Marathon in October in 2:07:02. That was his debut, mind you. Note that he's also a 13:10 guy and was in the Edmonton 5K final and has a 1500 best in the 3:37s (so he's in essence a 3:54 miler). I'd say that puts him way up high on the old great-range list. gh
Re: t-and-f: dude with range
Yeah, but what's his 100 meters time? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 7:52 PM Subject: t-and-f: dude with range from time to time we've raised the names of guys with super range (like sub-4:00/sub-2:10 people). Here's a new one I don't recall anyone mentioning. Driss Al Himer of France (né Morocco) won the Amsterdam Marathon in October in 2:07:02. That was his debut, mind you. Note that he's also a 13:10 guy and was in the Edmonton 5K final and has a 1500 best in the 3:37s (so he's in essence a 3:54 miler). I'd say that puts him way up high on the old great-range list. gh
t-and-f: dudes with range
until Bryan Berryhill, Oregon state champ in the quarter, runs his first 'thon. or what about d-slaney, who began in junior high as a 54-second quartermiler and wound up as AR-holder in the 10? from time to time we've raised the names of guys with super range (like sub-4:00/sub-2:10 people). Here's a new one I don't recall anyone mentioning. Driss Al Himer of France (né Morocco) won the Amsterdam Marathon in October in 2:07:02. That was his debut, mind you. Note that he's also a 13:10 guy and was in the Edmonton 5K final and has a 1500 best in the 3:37s (so he's in essence a 3:54 miler). I'd say that puts him way up high on the old great-range list. gh
Re: t-and-f: dude with range
Yeah, yeah,but can he vault? Throw? So speaking of range what is the best, say, marathoner/vaulter, anyone has heard of a marathoner/thrower? Let's talk extreme range. Tom, 2:19 marathon, 23' shotput - Original Message - From: William H. Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 7:00 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: dude with range Yeah, but what's his 100 meters time? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 7:52 PM Subject: t-and-f: dude with range from time to time we've raised the names of guys with super range (like sub-4:00/sub-2:10 people). Here's a new one I don't recall anyone mentioning. Driss Al Himer of France (né Morocco) won the Amsterdam Marathon in October in 2:07:02. That was his debut, mind you. Note that he's also a 13:10 guy and was in the Edmonton 5K final and has a 1500 best in the 3:37s (so he's in essence a 3:54 miler). I'd say that puts him way up high on the old great-range list. gh
Re: t-and-f: dude with range
on 12/10/01 4:38 PM, Tom Derderian at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, yeah,but can he vault? Throw? So speaking of range what is the best, say, marathoner/vaulter, anyone has heard of a marathoner/thrower? Let's talk extreme range. Tom, 2:19 marathon, 23' shotput 2:09:57, 8+ ft vault in Jr. High, 25+ Shot put in High School bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: t-and-f: dude with range
How fast can he sprint 100m?? I would back Gebreselassie as having awesome range probably 11.7/23.2/48high/1:44/3:30/12:39?/26-/60/2:08 or El G probably mid11, mid22,47high,1:43/3;26/12:40/26- and if he was willing to finish off his career , near 2:10 in Marathon. Steve Bennett www.oztrack.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 11 December 2001 2:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: dude with range from time to time we've raised the names of guys with super range (like sub-4:00/sub-2:10 people). Here's a new one I don't recall anyone mentioning. Driss Al Himer of France (né Morocco) won the Amsterdam Marathon in October in 2:07:02. That was his debut, mind you. Note that he's also a 13:10 guy and was in the Edmonton 5K final and has a 1500 best in the 3:37s (so he's in essence a 3:54 miler). I'd say that puts him way up high on the old great-range list. gh
