Re: t-and-f: Coach Dunton running afoul of copyright?
disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer, so this is a lay-person's opinion, albeit one who works in the copy area. It's my understanding that merely by publishing something it falls under the domain of copyright protection. And it needn't even have the copyright symbol or any such notification. HOWEVER, i also believe that before you can seek redress for a copyright infringement in court you need to formally copyright the piece with the proper office in Washington, D.C. I'd *guess* Dunton is in the wrong. I would also note, however, that copyright belongs to individual authors, not the publisher, unless rights have been relinquished by the author. As I recall, there was a significant suit on this recently in which a major newspaper (NY Times?) lost a battle to reprint stories on its website without paying the original author. All this of great interest to the general list member, I'm sure. gh
t-and-f: RE: t-and-f: Coach Dunton running afoul of copyright?
While I don't see a copyright, I do see on page one of the 1998 Jumps Curriculum, All material in this document is for the exclusive use of the USATF Coaching Education Program. Any other use is prohibited without the permission of the Coaching Education Committee of the USATF. Mark Ward, Head Coach Central Kitsap XC-TF Vice President, Washington Track Field Coaches Association Vice President, Pacific Northwest Association, USATF USATF West Region Coordinator, Jr. Women's Sprint Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 10:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Coach Dunton running afoul of copyright? Greetings, all In recent years, Coach Ross Dunton of Tennessee has become well-schooled in modern track techniques and training. He’s traveled extensively, attended USATF seminars and done a ton of reading. He’s distilled the best advice for his masters training Web site and newsletter. He specializes in masters athletes but welcomes questions from all ages. Nearing 70 and pretty much retired, he’s a perfect example of the vaunted volunteer ethic that USATF prizes and promotes. But on December 4, 2001, Dunton says he received this note from LSU assistant track coach Irving C Boo Schexnayder: Mr. Dunton: It has come to my attention that you have placed large portions of the USATF Level II Coaches Education curriculum on your website. These materials are the exclusive property of the USATF Coaching Education Executive Committee, and it is part of our committee policy to prohibit the free distribution of these materials. I insist that they be removed from the public domain immediately, or else I will ask USATF to pursue legal action immediately. I await your response. Shocked, Dunton responded, asking for proof of copyright and a copy of the committee policy. Dunton insists that nothing was said at the Level II school about posting the material online, and he notes that there are no restrictions or copyright notations in the coaching education manual he received. I subsequently had a phone call from Toni Agard, who is the USATF assistant legal counsel, Dunton wrote in a recent newsletter. In that conversation and in subsequent e-mails, I have requested the same information. There has been no response to these requests. Even though Dunton believes that USATF can't legally force him to remove information from his Web site, he has deleted it. (For example, see http://www.coachr.org/periodization.htm) Dunton later got a followup e-mail from Coach Schexnayder, who wrote: I get 30-40 requests per year of people asking to use our materials. Most are reasonable and are granted. If I receive a ‘reasonable’ request for parts of this material, I assume that it is OK for me to grant it. Dunton also notes that we were prohibited from filming the training drills that were demonstrated on the track at the school. The stated reason for this prohibition was that the companies who sold training videos had complained. Responding to an e-mail query, Dunton on January 23, 2002, wrote me: When I put the info up, I believed that what I was doing was both legally, ethically and morally OK. I still believe that. The information came from my copy of the coaching manual which is an 8 1/2 X 11 paperback-bound 75-page book. There is nothing in it relating to copyright or re-publishing the info contained. Since I had previously obtained a Level II coaching certification, I attended the ‘alumni school.’ The first-timers received another manual. I did not. When I requested a copy, they told me that they had run out and that they didn’t want to do the work of putting one together for me. Perhaps there are some restrictions noted in that manual. In all of the class sessions, nothing was distributed or stated relating to the control of the indication. The restriction placed on (video)taping the drills tells the whole story. Two two-hour sessions on the track could not be recorded. Who can remember four hours of demonstrated exercises and plyometric drills? My questions: Is Coach Boo correct in saying the USATF coaching school materials are copyrighted? If so, why? Why has USATF not responded to Coach Dunton's inquiries? What is the purpose of the USATF Coaching Education Executive Committee? I’m sending this report to USATF, Coach Boo and other interested parties. I welcome your comments. Ken Stone http://www.masterstrack.com (For bio on Boo, see http://www.lsusports.net/bio.cfm?ref=000A89A5-B7BB-1AC4-8CF7809F2103FE77; sporttype=TFindivtype=CO )
Re: t-and-f: Compiling event schedule for 2002
In a message dated Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:40:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, Michael Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Given that I am starting to get buried with requests for the high performance schedule that I normally compile, I figured that I should actually start compiling schedules. Can't you just go to the USATF website and look at their calendard? No, wait, that's the one that for the last week of this month alone has 7 SNOWSHOE events listed! Do I detect a certain lack of focus in Indianapolis about just what it is that our sport does? gh
Re: t-and-f: Compiling event schedule for 2002
Do I detect a certain lack of focus in Indianapolis about just what it is that our sport does? gh Yes, you do. Why do you suppose? td
t-and-f: National Depth--Vertical Jumps
The charts that follow summarize the number of athletes each country placed in the world top-100 rankings for 2001 (plus ties) and the highest-ranked of these for each event. Since one or two placings may represent only exceptional individuals, rather than national program strength, I've truncated the lists to countries with three placings or more. The data base drawn upon is the world list from Mirko Jalava's web site http://www.tilastopaja.com/. MEN'S HIGH JUMP 2001WOMEN'S HIGH JUMP 2001 Country Top 107 Highest Country Top 104 Highest United States 25 3 Russia 15 10 Russia 9 1 Germany 9 30 Italy5 31 United States7 7 China5 36 Ukraine 5 2 Ukraine 4 5 Romania 5 23 Poland 4 21 Bulgaria 4 1 Czech Republic 4 24 South Africa 4 3 France 4 43 Italy4 8 Germany 3 2 Japan3 12 Cuba 3 4 Great Britain3 13 Belarus 3 6 Slovakia 3 27 Canada 3 8 Kazakhstan 3 43 Sweden 3 9 Finland 3 77 Finland 3 19 Greece 3 34 Korea3 63 34 countries represented38 countries represented 100th = 2.21m = 7' 3 100th = 1.85m = 6' 3/4 MEN'S POLE VAULT 2001 WOMEN'S POLE VAULT 2001 Country Top 111 Highest Country Top 102 Highest United States 29 3 United States 22 1 Germany 13 6 Germany 10 6 Russia 11 5 Russia 8 2 France 9 10 France 8 33 Japan5 47 China4 9 Sweden 4 11 Czech Republic 4 13 Czech Republic 4 20 Greece 4 25 Australia3 1 Italy4 48 Israel 3 2 Australia3 5 Netherlands 3 23 Ukraine 3 7 Finland 3 26 Hungary 3 22 Italy3 63 Spain3 30 Canada 3 37 Sweden 3 41 27 countries represented30 countries represented 100th = 5.40m = 17' 8 1/2 100th = 4.05m = 13' 3 1/4 The data for both of the men's vertical jumps are complicated by a twelve-way tie for 100th place in the high jump and an eight-way tie in the vault. In his lists, Jalava breaks these ties on the basis of the order in which they were accomplished. For the purpose of looking at present depth and future promise, it seems more appropriate to consider the ranks equal, without regard to the date on which the height was cleared. Question: Has the shift from straddle to flop caused technique and coaching to be relatively less important and physical characteristics to be relatively more important for high-level performance in this event?
Fwd: Re: t-and-f: USATF CLINICS
forwarded by me becuase Paul's machine wouldn't let him post it directly to the list gh ---BeginMessage--- Just a side note to this. I am level I and level II certified in endurance and sprints/hurdles, as I coach high school cross country and track and field. Last summer I had a distance runner attend a running camp for a week. When she came back I talked with her about her experience and I was impressed with her new terminology and understanding of energy systems and so on. I asked her if I could see her literature, and it was word for word from the endurance portion of Level I. I was surprised to see this, but afterward I thought it was a good thing on how much my athlete had learned. I won't mention which camp she attended, nor which collegiate coach presented the material; and though it may be wrong to do I felt it was for a good cause. In my case I have paid good money to attend these clinics and I don't feel shortchanged nor cheated that my high school athlete learned something about training in her sports because now we can communicate better about our daily workouts. I will also mention too that Boo down at LSU has done a phenomenal job either hosting or presenting his information at these clinics, as have all of the presentors. The level II material is very in depth and technical in nature, so I also can see why USATF wants this material copyrighted so people like myself will continue to attend these clinics. Please don't be too harsh on USATF about this issue as the individuals that put together the material work very hard to do so in an attempt to try and educate coaches like myself about the sport. On the flip side, I too wish that USATF would allow us to tape certain drills for once we leave. I know this summer I sat on the track taking as many notes as possible on sprinting drills, when it would have been nice to videotape everything we were doing because a former distance runner like myself struggled with these drills and my memory is even worse. :) Paul Nisius Grand Rapids/Bigfork, MN [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/23/02 01:04PM disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer, so this is a lay-person's opinion, albeit one who works in the copy area. It's my understanding that merely by publishing something it falls under the domain of copyright protection. And it needn't even have the copyright symbol or any such notification. HOWEVER, i also believe that before you can seek redress for a copyright infringement in court you need to formally copyright the piece with the proper office in Washington, D.C. I'd *guess* Dunton is in the wrong. I would also note, however, that copyright belongs to individual authors, not the publisher, unless rights have been relinquished by the author. As I recall, there was a significant suit on this recently in which a major newspaper (NY Times?) lost a battle to reprint stories on its website without paying the original author. All this of great interest to the general list member, I'm sure. gh ---End Message---
t-and-f: re: USATF Copyright
Ken While I have not seen the Level II materials, I have the Level I materials. There is no explicit statement to this in the printed booklets, but the USATF logo is on every page. As the logo is a trademark of USATF and the materials are written and produced entirely by the USATF Coaches Education Committee, from which you must purchase these materials at a class, then it would seem that they have every right to decide what is proper distribution. It can be argued that he might / could have been passing the material off as his own and/or making a profit from it without approval, as he published it on a website. I do not know whether this was in an academic discussion, or whether he properly cited the materials. Aside from that, I know Boo. If he asks something to be done, it would be best to do it. He is one of the last people you'd ever want to piss off. MJR
Re: t-and-f: Compiling event schedule for 2002
Garry, Tom et al: If you go to the USATF Calendar you also will find more than 1,850 track and road race events, include HS meets, masters meets, open races, hep and dec events, indoor, outdoor, Golden League, IAAF Permit, World Cup, collegiate events, USATF Association championships, cross country, Junior Olympic, race walk and trail running (which must be where those 7 deadly snowshoe races slipped in) - and I may have missed some categories. The calendar as it is currently posted will soon take its final form: an online, searchable calendar where people from any segment of our sport can search for an event(s) geographically, by name, by series (Grand Prix, High School, etc) or by just about any search query they wish to run. USATF's focus is to serve as the national governing body of track and field, long-distance running and race walking in the United States, on all levels. We serve athletes, fans, coaches and officials from age 8 and younger on up. The 2002 online calendar is a means to inform any one of those constituencies of the events that are of interest to them. Granted, the calendar in its current form is unwieldy, but as I mentioned it will soon be a searchable database where people can find events instantly - look for an official launch of the calendar soon. That way, Garry Hill won't have to wade through Association Championships, Ken Stone won't have to sift through Junior Olympic events (unless he wants to, and I'm not saying he doesn't!), and a race walker won't have to look at 600 road races to find what he is looking for. I apologize for the errant snowshoe race if it offended - 7 out of 1850 isn't too bad. (I'm sure it was part of the Mountain/Ultra/Trail calendar.) Hopefully you can see the greater good in the calendar. It is a resource. Our goal is to have it be as thorough - as possible. Best, Jill Geer Director of Communications USA Track Field Subj:Re: t-and-f: Compiling event schedule for 2002 Date: 1/23/2002 3:58:11 PM US Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Derderian) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Derderian) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Given that I am starting to get buried with requests for the high performance schedule that I normally compile, I figured that I should actually start compiling schedules. Can't you just go to the USATF website and look at their calendard? No, wait, that's the one that for the last week of this month alone has 7 SNOWSHOE events listed! Do I detect a certain lack of focus in Indianapolis about just what it is that our sport does? gh
Re: t-and-f: Compiling event schedule for 2002
For those of you who are into calendars, may I suggest you take a look at the neat little Eastern Track calendar/schedule published by Walt Murphy. NeTrack
t-and-f: Capel returns?
Hi all, John Capel is on the starlist for the Energizer-Euro series 200m in Gent (10. Feb). Is he racing anywhere indoors in the US this winter? -- | Bob Ramsak | *TONIGHT Magazine - Editor | *TRACK PROFILE News Service - Editor | http://www.trackprofile.com | *Race Results Weekly - Asst. Editor --- |Cleveland, Ohio USA |[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Tel - 216-731-9648 |Fax - 216-731-9675
Re: t-and-f: Coach Dunton running afoul of copyright?
I'm going to suggest a possible rationale (not that I agree with it) that is NOT based on legal copyright considerations. This comes directly from an internal dilemma in the company that I work for. You have something- an innovative way of doing something- that you wish to share so that more people in your company (or in the ranks of fellow coaches) can benefit from it. However, someone in the security apparatus of your organization comes up with a decision that the very nature of the topic- an innovative way of doing something- gives your company (or the U.S. Federation) a competitive advantage over your competitors (external to your company or your organization). So the internal police slap all kinds of bureacratic security levels for data access, to minimize the possibility of your competitors getting a hold of it and adopting the same innovative approaches that you've developed. Unfortunately it makes it so hard for internal people who NEED to benefit from it to get access to it, that the innovative techniques remain stifled and siloed within a narrow band of knowledgeable people who have come across it. Is that a possibility here?- does the U.S. Federation want to go secretive with out-of-the-box coaching thinking so that only the U.S. benefits, with the inherent risks that only 2 or 3 U.S. coaches might even find out about it, ... or is it just a pure dollars and cents thing with selling videotapes (pretty PETTY it would seem)? Do videotape rights fees mean more to the U.S. Federation than the results that the coaching techniques are intended to produce? Shouldn't the U.S. Federation be willing to GIVE this information to U.S. coaches? Either way, USATF's committees need to visit the topic of access to coaching/training information. With the U.S. being such a far-flung country, overly aggressive security clamp-downs could stifle innovation (or the sharing of innovative approaches) to the extent that it could effectively kill off any synergies to be gained by open coast-to-coast discussion and comparison among U.S. coaches. RT
RE: t-and-f: Coach Dunton running afoul of copyright?
I don't want to throw a fly in the ointment, but has anybody ever visitied some of the coaches sites in England or Austrailia? They put up EVERYTHING! Who fights their copyrights? Fred Finke -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 10:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Coach Dunton running afoul of copyright? I'm going to suggest a possible rationale (not that I agree with it) that is NOT based on legal copyright considerations. This comes directly from an internal dilemma in the company that I work for. You have something- an innovative way of doing something- that you wish to share so that more people in your company (or in the ranks of fellow coaches) can benefit from it. However, someone in the security apparatus of your organization comes up with a decision that the very nature of the topic- an innovative way of doing something- gives your company (or the U.S. Federation) a competitive advantage over your competitors (external to your company or your organization). So the internal police slap all kinds of bureacratic security levels for data access, to minimize the possibility of your competitors getting a hold of it and adopting the same innovative approaches that you've developed. Unfortunately it makes it so hard for internal people who NEED to benefit from it to get access to it, that the innovative techniques remain stifled and siloed within a narrow band of knowledgeable people who have come across it. Is that a possibility here?- does the U.S. Federation want to go secretive with out-of-the-box coaching thinking so that only the U.S. benefits, with the inherent risks that only 2 or 3 U.S. coaches might even find out about it, ... or is it just a pure dollars and cents thing with selling videotapes (pretty PETTY it would seem)? Do videotape rights fees mean more to the U.S. Federation than the results that the coaching techniques are intended to produce? Shouldn't the U.S. Federation be willing to GIVE this information to U.S. coaches? Either way, USATF's committees need to visit the topic of access to coaching/training information. With the U.S. being such a far-flung country, overly aggressive security clamp-downs could stifle innovation (or the sharing of innovative approaches) to the extent that it could effectively kill off any synergies to be gained by open coast-to-coast discussion and comparison among U.S. coaches. RT
Re: t-and-f: Coach Dunton running afoul of copyright?
I got some comments from a list member who disagrees with me, but asked me to keep his comments confidential, which of course I will do. He suggested with his arguments that I might want to post a retraction. I will accept his suggestion, but instead of a retraction will offer to restate my opinion in a 'revise and extend' mode. (But will keep it short). As I began my comments with my very first statement, I pointed out that what I was going to say had nothing to do with the legal copyright considerations, which of course take precedence. My argument is more logical. Why does the U.S. Federation feel that it needs to take out a copyright on this material to begin with? Just for a profit to made off of it? Might more benefit be gained by their removing all copyright restrictions and allow free and easy dissemination? What's the damage risk?...other than the Chinese and other countries getting a hold of it? I suspect that there's not a whole lot there that other countries don't already know, so copyrighting everything only serves to stifle the very benefit that USATF should be looking for. Shouldn't this information be made available to those who might NOT have the time or resources to go to a Level I or II class? The benefit of attending is hands-on instruction, question-and-answer, sharp focus, etc. But if you CAN'T go, getting at the course material still has SOME benefit, doesn't it? I have trouble seeing why the USATF only wants to share the info if you come to their school. But I'm open to explanations. Randy
RE: t-and-f: Coach Dunton running afoul of copyright?
Hi Fred Mine at least are almost all original!! But I agree , it is pretty small minded of people. Not a lot of vision. All Coaching ideas surely should be made public domain , if the USATF wants good coaches. Steve Bennett www.oztrack.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Fred Finke Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 3:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Coach Dunton running afoul of copyright? I don't want to throw a fly in the ointment, but has anybody ever visitied some of the coaches sites in England or Austrailia? They put up EVERYTHING! Who fights their copyrights? Fred Finke -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 10:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Coach Dunton running afoul of copyright? I'm going to suggest a possible rationale (not that I agree with it) that is NOT based on legal copyright considerations. This comes directly from an internal dilemma in the company that I work for. You have something- an innovative way of doing something- that you wish to share so that more people in your company (or in the ranks of fellow coaches) can benefit from it. However, someone in the security apparatus of your organization comes up with a decision that the very nature of the topic- an innovative way of doing something- gives your company (or the U.S. Federation) a competitive advantage over your competitors (external to your company or your organization). So the internal police slap all kinds of bureacratic security levels for data access, to minimize the possibility of your competitors getting a hold of it and adopting the same innovative approaches that you've developed. Unfortunately it makes it so hard for internal people who NEED to benefit from it to get access to it, that the innovative techniques remain stifled and siloed within a narrow band of knowledgeable people who have come across it. Is that a possibility here?- does the U.S. Federation want to go secretive with out-of-the-box coaching thinking so that only the U.S. benefits, with the inherent risks that only 2 or 3 U.S. coaches might even find out about it, ... or is it just a pure dollars and cents thing with selling videotapes (pretty PETTY it would seem)? Do videotape rights fees mean more to the U.S. Federation than the results that the coaching techniques are intended to produce? Shouldn't the U.S. Federation be willing to GIVE this information to U.S. coaches? Either way, USATF's committees need to visit the topic of access to coaching/training information. With the U.S. being such a far-flung country, overly aggressive security clamp-downs could stifle innovation (or the sharing of innovative approaches) to the extent that it could effectively kill off any synergies to be gained by open coast-to-coast discussion and comparison among U.S. coaches. RT
Re: t-and-f: Coach Dunton running afoul of copyright?
Sorry, but I've got one more observation to share. [delete if not interested] Isn't USATF interested in fostering a 'multiplier effect'? That is, those who are fortunate enough to attend a USATF coaching school would take the material, go back home, teach it to their assistant coaches, who then teach it to fellow coaches when they move to another school, and so on. Right down through the high school ranks. In the corporate business world that I'm in, it's also called 'Train the Trainer'. Web site availability of curricula and supplementary material could certainly help foster that 'multiplier effect'. For every coach who can attend the Level I or II class, ten or fifteen coaches would eventually end up benefitting, in theory. Isn't that a major part of USATF's mission? Disseminate coaching training info far, wide and deep? Sounds to me like some of the sniping when many universities started offering 'virtual graduate degree' programs over the internet. Originally developed for people like Naval officers at sea on ships, but gradually made available to just about anybody who can't attend in 'resident' mode, for any reason. People who had gone to an in-person, traditional graduate degree program complained 'I busted my butt for three years to get that graduate degree- now this devalues my degree'. So you're gonna stifle exposure to education for other people just to keep up a perceived value to whatever education YOU'VE already accumulated, is that it? It's no longer an exclusive club if ANYBODY can get it free! I won't be recognized as an elite coach if my Level II certificate gets partially devalued! Well guess what, certificates don't make a person an elite coach, the results of the athletes they coach makes the coaches reputation. Yeh I know, if I buy something- a car or TV or whatever, then go to work on Monday and find that a coworker bought the same thing over the weekend for half the price I paid for it, I feel bad, but...that's life. I was willing to pay a price at the time I pulled out my wallet, that I thought was a fair value for what I was receiving. That the price has changed doesn't mean that the TV I bought doesn't work, or the car doesn't run. So value is in the mind of the buyer (and I suppose the seller too). USATF shouldn't be in the business of 'selling' knowledge, other than possibly reimbursement for expenses, if they can't find any grant money to cover xerox reproduction costs, webmaster fees, travel expenses for instructors, and so on. Shouldn't this be a big part of what USATF dues are used for- to go into the expenses of these programs? If the USATF gives a grant to a university to do some research, [do they do that? I don't know...] it should be a flat fee with USATF assuming all rights for free dissemination of the results nation-wide. If a professor wants to retain video and book rights to every aspect of the results (or a percentage cut), forget it, there's not a shortage of universities in this country, take the grant elsewhere. RT
