t-and-f: Chilly B's Shallow Alto Intelligencer
Listers, family members, friends, guests First things first, you'll soon find out the track is located at, more or less El Camino and Embarcadero(although Embarcadero becomes Galvez as it enters the Stanford campus). At this junction, you'll find the Town and Country Village, a very typical California outdoor shopping center. Here, you'll find a great sit-down restaurant in Hobee's(specializing in breakfast). Next door to Hobee's is Jamba Juice. Down the same side of the village is Peet's coffee, a far better alternative to Starbuck's.Back around the corner from Hobee's is a great burrito joint--Rojoz. Other eateries are there: sushi, fish house, ice cream, etc. All this 5 minutes walk from the track.but no bars, so let's move on. Pretty good running store there, though: Metrosport...many of the Farm Geeks work there. Now, downtown Shallow Alto is north on El Camino and right(east) on University. It abounds with shops, restaurants and bars...but the emphasis is not on such fine pre/post-meet hot spots as Cooter Brown's - N'Awlins; 19th St-Eugene; Vortex-Hotlanta; Slippery Noodle - Indystill, it's the effort that counts. Shallow Alto arrived at this moniker for a reason...just wait, you'll see. It doesn't mean, however, that fun is a tumor on the liver of the rich...it can be accomplished but with forthright determination not to look, act or be too pretty. But also be aware that cunning is often necessary as Law Officials are pretty quick to the sword in this town. So, I submit: (editor's note: Joe "Sweaty Butt" Rubio will post an actual Aggie schedule within the next 24 hours, for those willing to take the challenge.) Alpine Inn -- aka Zot's Kickoff for Aggies and friends of Aggies. This would be in Portola Valley if it wasn't so un-Portola Valley. Historical landmark at the corner of Alpine Rd and Arastradero...about 5 miles west of campus...you'll need to ask for directions most likely but worth the trip for the bumpers, burgers, outdoor beer garden, bikers, cyclists, ne'er-do-wells This will also serve as the post meet venue on Sunday. Aggie's Ground Zero is Moe's 541 Ramona between Univ and Hamilton...but you may remember it better when it was Ramona's Pizza and Brian Pettingill worked there. Good sports bar with knuckleheads for ownersand damn good foodstarting point for every day's activities. You'll want to stop in and take a look at the SI cover with D W I G H T on the cover in his LB State uni. Blue Chalk 630 Ramona...one block south of Moe's lots of folks to look at and make fun ofcouple of pool tables, shuffleboard...actually good food if you show up early enough. You can play catch with the Nerf in here...at least until they catch you. Then they make you leave. Definitely a before 8 or after 10 place. Rose and Crown 547 Emerson...one block west and parallel to Ramona sorta hard to find...no sign and in the middle of a parking lot..no entrance on an actual street. again, good (english) grub and the best beer selection in town. can get crowded for a small place late. great early(i.e. empty) if you can get there. limited seating outside. darts...but no Nerf. Left at Albuquerque 445 Emerson...half block north of University if i could only tell you.as for the pertinent info: best combo rest/small bar in downtown Shallow Altoif you like tequila, stop here...they have something like 4000 kinds of tequila...and DEFINITELY no Nerf here. insert: two pretty good chinese rests. sandwich Left at Albq. Fanny & Alexander's 412 Emerson...about the only place you'll pay a cover...what the connection is to a bergman movie is as much of a head scratcher as most of his movie's...but usually live bands, lots of people, dancing and limited amounts of Nerf(actually, it's a fine ground breaker...for more info, please contact Jamey Harris). and, i must say, not a bad evening meal place in the back courtyard(as opposed to the front courtyard, which doesn't exist). Gordon Biersch 640 Emerson low key...good food, great beer and women wearing ties that serve you beer. Nerf factor pretty much unknown. Rudy's 117 University down and dirty...the really great 'bar' in Shallow Alto...the only thing is that it's in Shallow Alto and it's not really a great bar...i like it though...still, if you like dark and dank...stop bythey have even gone euro on the weekends opening up into the neighbors' space for a full frontal sprockets explosiondefinitey no Nerf(by the way, we just call it 'ball')let's just say you're forewarned. There are two possible reasons for going north on El Camino to Menlo Park: the Oasis 241 El Camino ...famous for having a litany of athletes living above it but not on the actual lease...except this is now the Kingdom that Sideshow builtthis is also the palace that Harris moved in to after his win in N.Oup from under the stairs at the "Stable" and into the washroom at the
t-and-f: American Distance Running
Hey, Don't forget Steve Scott! Silver Medal 83 Worlds, AR in the mile (20th anniversary this year) He was just as good as Pre, Spivey, etc. They all were great. I think the point was the lack of depth now. Just some thoughts. S. Winrow
RE: t-and-f: NW Pole Vault Championships and Alki Beach vault
We just had our first street pole vault meeting in Hexham on Friday night It was awesome!! BOXERCISE STREET VAULT MEETING: Hexham 2002 www.teamdecathlon.com and www.boxercise.co.uk Anyone got anymore good venues for use to use Richard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 June 2002 06:17 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: NW Pole Vault Championships and Alki Beach vault Entry forms can be printed from the www.usatf-oregon.org website. NW Pole Vaulting Champs at the Tacoma Waterfront on July 4th Swashbuckler Alki Beach Vault on July 6th Come play with the best from the Northwest, Rick Baggett NW Director of Pole Vault Development Important Information This e-mail constitutes a confidential communication and is subject to legal privilege. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately. You should not use or copy it for any purpose, nor disclose it to any other person.
t-and-f: NYTimes.com Article: Milers on a Four-Minute Mission
This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by [EMAIL PROTECTED] Some interesting stuff in here especially given the current thread about the state of distance running. The usual omission of the adjective "American" when describing the high schoolers given that Canadians attend such an institution and have broken the barrier. "Currently, 10 of the nation's top 12 high school milers are juniors, promising sub-four-minute attempts en masse next year and raising American Olympic hopes for the future." [EMAIL PROTECTED] / advertisement ---\ Explore more of Starbucks at Starbucks.com. http://www.starbucks.com/default.asp?ci=1015 \--/ Milers on a Four-Minute Mission June 16, 2002 By MARC BLOOM Brendan Fennell and Brian Dalpiaz are among the best distance runners in New York State and the nation. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/16/sports/othersports/16MARC.html?ex=1025395913&ei=1&en=3fbfcdd8a8bd6313 HOW TO ADVERTISE - For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company
Re: t-and-f: George??
Gee... what about Tim Broe? --- William Bahnfleth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Or Horace. > > At 06:57 PM 6/17/2002 -0400, Robert Hersh wrote: > >Message text written by Richard McCann > > >Aren't all great American steeplechasers named George??? ;^)< > > > >Ask Henry or Brian. > > ++ > William P. Bahnfleth, Ph.D., P.E. > Associate Professor > > Department of Architectural Engineering > The Pennsylvania State University > 224 Engineering Unit A > University Park, PA 16802-1416 USA > > voice: (814)863-2076 / fax: (814)863-4789 > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.engr.psu.edu/ae/faculty/bahnfleth.htm > ++ > = Dave Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
t-and-f: USATF Release - June 18, 2002
Contact:Tom Surber Media Information Manager USA Track & Field (317) 261-0500 x317 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usatf.org FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Tuesday, June 18, 2002 Multi-events kick off USA Outdoor Championships in Berkeley INDIANAPOLIS The 2002 USA Outdoor Track & Field Championships will begin with three days of multi-event competition on Tuesday, June 7 at the University of Californias Edwards Stadium/Goldman Field in Berkeley, California. Before top stars Dan OBrien, Tom Pappas, Shelia Burrell and DeDee Nathan begin two-day decathlon and heptathlon competition on Wednesday, June 19, Americas top Junior multi-event performers will take center stage at the USA Junior Combined Events National Championships, June 18-19. Headlining the Junior competition are heptathletes Julie and Diana Pickler, both members of the Texas Express (Sasche). Diana is the defending U.S. Junior heptathlon champion (5,261 points), while sister Julie finished third at last years competition with 5,147 points. Following their performances at the 2001 Junior Championships, the sisters earned a trip to the Canadian Junior Combined Events Championships, where they finished 1-2. The sisters also competed against each other at the 2001 USATF Junior Olympics Nationals, where again Diana (5,365) edged Julie (5,068) for the title. After this weeks multi-event competition, Julie and Diana will compete in the 100-meter hurdles and the long jump at the USA Junior Championships at Stanford University in Palo Alto, California. Along with her success in the heptathlon, 100m hurdles and long jump, as of May 28, Diana owns the fastest 300m hurdles time (41.17) for a high schooler this season. The Picklers will attend Washington State University in the fall. The Junior mens decathlon field is led by the Verizon Outstanding Athlete of the Meet at the 2001 USATF Junior Olympics Nationals, Donovan Kilmartin, who is making his first appearance at the USA Junior Nationals. Kilmartin won the decathlon at last years Junior Olympics with a national youth record score of 7,405 points. In the same meet, Kilmartin, from Meridian, Idaho, also won his division in the pole vault with a clearance of 5.00 meters/16-4.75. Last July Kilmartin won the pole vault competition at the 2001 USATF Youth Athletics Championships by clearing 4.75m/15-7. After the multi-events competition in Berkeley this week, Kilmartin will compete in the pole vault at the Junior Championships in Palo Alto. In senior competition, the U.S. had two outstanding performances in the womens heptathlon at the 2001 World Outdoor Championships in Edmonton, Canada, where Sheila Burrell won the bronze medal with a personal record total of 6,472 points, and DeDee Nathan placed seventh in Edmonton with a total of 6,073 points, after winning her second consecutive U.S. title (6,174 points) in June. Both will compete at Stanford. Burrell appears ready for this weeks competition after posting the best performance in the world this year of 6,363 points earlier this month in Gotzis. Also entered in the event are two of the highest finishers at the 2001 NCAA Championships at Louisiana State University. The University of South Carolinas Tacita Bass was third (5,622 points) in Baton Rouge, while the University of Arkansas Dee Brown placed fifth (5,450 points). Heather Sterlin, who placed fifth at the 2001 Nationals, also should be a factor. Tom Pappas enters the mens decathlon competition after a recent personal best performance of 8,583 points in Gotzis, the third-best performance in the world this year. After winning the decathlon at the 2000 Olympic Trials (8,467), and then placing fifth at the 2000 Olympic Games in Sydney (8,425), Pappas injured shoulder kept him from completing the decathlon at last year s USA Outdoors. Pappas bounced back in fine style later that summer to win the bronze medal at the 2002 Goodwill Games in Brisbane, Australia. One of the more intriguing stories of the competition will be the comeback of 1996 Olympic Gold medalist and American record holder Dan OBrien, who last completed a decathlon in winning the 1998 Goodwill Games in New York City, with 8,755 points. A three-time World decathlon champion, OBrien owns five U.S. crowns. Others to watch include ageless wonder Kip Janvrin, who won his first USA decathlon crown last year in Eugene at the age of 35. A 2000 Olympian, Janvrin won his 13th Drake Relays decathlon title earlier this year. Others to watch include Bryan Clay, who was third at this event last year, and two-time PAC-10 Conference champion Bevan Hart, who was ninth in 2001. Last years U.S. runner-up Phil McMullen is also in the field, along with 2002 NCAA second-place finisher Paul Terek of Michigan State (8,041). For more information on the 2002 USA Outdoor Cham
t-and-f: Khannouchi To Run Chicago
WORLD'S FASTEST MARATHONER RETURNING TO CHICAGO World Record Holder Khalid Khannouchi To Run The LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon Chicago (June 17, 2002) Khalid Khannouchi, the fastest man ever to run a marathon, has committed to his fifth LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon, announced today by Carey Pinkowski, executive race director. Khannouchi holds the World Record, the American Record and is a three-time champion on Chicagos fast course. Sunday, October 13 marks the 25th Anniversary of The LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon. "Khalid Khannouchi continues to set a standard of success in the sport of marathoning that is almost beyond comprehension," said Pinkowski. "We are extremely pleased with his decision to compete in Chicago this fall. The excitement and anticipation going into this year's race is already building intensely." Khannouchi's three record-setting Chicago performances have made his name synonymous with The LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon. His unmatched marathon success started with his 1997 debut victory in Chicago in 2:07:10. At the time it was the fastest marathon debut ever. In 1998 Khannouchi placed second in Chicago but came back to set a then World Record of 2:05:42 at The 1999 LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon. After becoming an American citizen in May of 2000, Khannouchi set a then American marathon record of 2:07:01 with his third Chicago victory in the fall of 2000. "After a year of being absent, I am delighted to come back to The LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon and to the course that I love and enjoy very much," remarked Khannouchi. "I am very happy to go back to the city I consider my home away from home, the city where I was born a marathon runner and back to the people who have supported me through good times and bad. I hope to provide Chicago with another great performance this fall." This year Khannouchi overcame one of the strongest fields ever assembled to lower his own World Record in a victory at the London Marathon in 2:05:38. The dramatic race included Khannouchi passing two of the greatest distance runners ever ? Paul Tergat and Haile Gebresalassie ? in the final two miles. Khannouchis London victory was also a redemption of sorts. He finished third in the 2000 London Marathon in 2:08:36, missed the 2000 U.S. Olympic Marathon Trials with injuries and dropped out of the 2001 World Championships Marathon due to severe foot blisters. "After Khalid's 2:05:38 World Record performance in London this spring, there is no telling what this incredibly talented athlete is capable of," said Pinkowski. "I was there in London and was impressed to observe Khannouchi take complete control and dominate one of the greatest marathon fields ever assembled." The LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon has always lived up to its reputation as one of the world's fastest courses. Last year Catherine Ndereba set the womens World Record of 2:18:47 in Chicago. In 1985 Joan Benoit Samuelson set the womans American record of 2:21:21 in Chicago. In its 24-year history Chicago has also owned two mens World Records (1984 Steve Jones ? 2:08:05, 1999 Khalid Khannouchi ? 2:05:42). Elite athletes will compete this fall for an event record purse of $500,000. The male and female winners each will earn $100,000, the largest ever payout for first place in a marathon. The 2002 LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon begins Sunday, October 13 at 7:30 a.m., starting and finishing in Chicagos Grant Park. The race will be televised live on NBC5 and broadcast on Chicagos ESPN Radio AM1000 from 7:30 a.m. to 10:30 a.m. The 2002 race is expected to draw up to the registration cap of 37,500 participants. The Marathon is open to all runners who can complete the course in less than six hours. For information call toll-free 1-888-243-3344 (U.S. and Canada) or (312) 904-9800. Registration is $80 ($90 for international participants) and can be completed online by visiting www.chicagomarathon.com. Mail-in entries will be accepted until September 9, 2002. Runners registering online receive a $5 discount and have a September 16, 2002 deadline or until the registration cap is reached, whichever comes first. There will be no race weekend registration. # # #
t-and-f: Webb goes pro; out of juniors
Alan Webb has signed with Ray Flynn's Sports Management agency (terms undisclosed). He's leaving Michigan and returning to Virginia. Will train with HS coach Scott Razcko and enroll at George Mason U. Won't run junior nationals this weekend. Details and quotes from Webb at www.runnersworld.com today.
Re: t-and-f: American distance running & walking
At 02:36 AM 6/18/2002 -0700, t-and-f-digest wrote.. >Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:35:41 -0500 >From: "Wayne T. Armbrust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: t-and-f: American distance running > >There are probably some one-dimensional free style swimming fans who would > >also rather hear from Lance Armstrong about training than from the coach >of an Olympic gold medalist in the back stroke. Vis a vis, the backstroke vs. freestyle analogy: Some of us believe that cycling has a closer relationship to distance running than walking does. The walk should be a separate and distinct sport, just as figure skating and gymnastics are. As for watching a high level event, I have watched the Olympic Trials 20k several times, and even timed an American Record in the walk mile in the 1970s. It's a damn painful way to run as far as I'm concerned. RMc
Re: t-and-f: American distance running
At 02:36 AM 6/18/2002 -0700, t-and-f-digest wrote.. >Im not a big liberal but there is something to diversity. I could write a >book on what I think is wrong with U.S. distance coaching (note not >running) but the ideas would be so counbter to the running culture I'd get >roasted. Believe you me the myths are what hold us back and some of our >own list members do a good job promoting those ideas. Now, I like that topic. I'm all for spearing sacred cows. I know that I defend the Lydiard approach pretty strongly, but so far I haven't seen any noted successes from the "neural pathways" advocates (see for example Running Research News or Jim Hunt, UCD). But I change my coaching and training approaches all the time. Discussion of new methods is always somewhat controversial, but I think always fruitful. So fire away. Richard McCann
Re: t-and-f: NYTimes.com Article: Milers on a Four-Minute Mission
In a message dated Tue, 18 Jun 2002 6:32:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Some interesting stuff in here especially given the current thread about the state of >distance running. The usual omission of the adjective "American" when describing the >high schoolers given that Canadians attend such an institution and have broken the >barrier.>> Yeah, but has any Canadian done it who wasn't one of Ontario's "Grade 13" people, ergo tending to be a year older than American counterparts? gh ps--here's a somewhat related trivia question for those of an age.In 1965, when double Olympic champ Peter Snell was making his ill-fated farewell tour of North America, who became the first high schooler to beat him? Hint: it wasn't Ryun at the AAU Championships.
RE: t-and-f: old guys
At 11:58 PM 6/17/2002 -0400, malmo wrote: >Don't tell me you, I said go tell Spivey, Spence,Crogan, Holman, and >Kennedy. > >malmo Best as I can tell, all but one of those is retired, and only one of the others is still coaching in any significant way. The rest are probably pontificating, too I'll tell it to the native born Americans who have run since Sidney sub 3:33, sub 13:00 or sub 27:30. It's a VERY short list that qualify (try zero). RMc
t-and-f: Jason Drake new distance coach at Washington State Univ.
...full story at: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/134477122_regr18.html Paul Merca
t-and-f: Judge sentences man to run road race after he fled from police
Here's a training method not yet discussed here to boost US distance running... (not sure if the person in question is US-born, though) A judge in Painesville, 20 miles east of Cleveland, sentenced a man to run in the July 28 Johnnycake Jog 5 miler after he was found guilty of fleeing from Police. The higher he finishes, the less time he serves. Plain Dealer story at -- http://www.clevelandlive.com/metro/plaindealer/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html _standard.xsl?/base/lake/102439264375820.xml -- | Bob Ramsak | *TRACK PROFILE News Service - Editor | http://www.trackprofile.com | *Race Results Weekly - Asst. Editor --- |Cleveland, Ohio USA |[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Tel - 216-731-9648 |Fax - 216-731-9675
Re: t-and-f: American distance running
>From: Richard McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Now, I like that topic. I'm all for spearing sacred cows. I know that I >defend the Lydiard approach pretty strongly, but so far I haven't seen any >noted successes from the "neural pathways" advocates (see for example >Running Research News or Jim Hunt, UCD). >Richard McCann You might be a bigger fan of nueral pathway advocates (that is, those who advocate an appropiate dose of work along the speed-power continuim) if you looked at what the world's elite could do at under distances. Jacobs can run 1:58-low -- world class. El Gueuroojj can run 1:44+ Auoita medalled at 800m slightly injured. Kipketer has run under 21.0 for 200m Haile is ridiculous - he ran 3:30 for 1500m indoors! Komen has run 3:30 Hissou has run 3:33 Niyongabo has run 1:45-low (and 13:02ish) all of these take a tremendous amt of speed and power. How many of our 5k women can go compete in Europe at 800m? How many of our men could be competetive in the US 1500m champs, much less go and be competetive in European circuit? --Kebba Kebba Tolbert ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) = Men's and Women's Jumps & Multis Coach Syracuse University Track & Field Kebba Tolbert ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) = Men's and Women's Jumps & Multis Coach Syracuse University Track & Field _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
Re: t-and-f: NYTimes.com Article: Milers on a Four-Minute Mission
True enough and I was fully expecting that reply so I could give this one: The 15 year old Africans running sub 4 on dirt tracks barefoot make the whole discussion irrelevant in any event. The same guys who, as adults, will be opening Webb's eyes as he moves into the pro ranks. Is the answer Danielson? Regards, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated Tue, 18 Jun 2002 6:32:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >Some interesting stuff in here especially given the current thread about the state >of distance running. The usual omission of the adjective "American" when describing >the high schoolers given that Canadians attend such an institution and have broken >the barrier.>> > > Yeah, but has any Canadian done it who wasn't one of Ontario's "Grade 13" people, >ergo tending to be a year older than American counterparts? > gh > ps--here's a somewhat related trivia question for those of an age.In 1965, when >double Olympic champ Peter Snell was making his ill-fated farewell tour of North >America, who became the first high schooler to beat him? Hint: it wasn't Ryun at the >AAU Championships.
Re: t-and-f: NYTimes.com Article: Milers on a Four-Minute Mission
In a message dated Tue, 18 Jun 2002 2:02:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Martin J. Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >True enough and I was fully expecting that reply so I could give this one: The 15 >year old Africans running sub 4 on dirt tracks barefoot make the whole discussion >irrelevant in any event. The same guys who, as adults, will be opening Webb's eyes as >he moves into the >pro ranks. Is the answer Danielson?>> That in itself raises a good question: Are there any "15-year-old Africans" are running any sub-4:00 miles on any kind of track, shod or not? Given that they don't run miles, but 1500s, I would assume not! gh
Re: t-and-f: NYTimes.com Article: Milers on a Four-Minute Mission
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Yeah, but has any Canadian done it who wasn't one of Ontario's "Grade > 13" people, ergo tending to be a year older than American counterparts? If 1500m conversions count, I believe Kevin Sullivan has a 3:38 to his credit as a 12th grader that is certainly of sub-4 material. Dan = http://AccountBiller.com - MyCalendar, D-Man, ReSearch, etc. http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy T&F @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] <|\/ <^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (lifetime forwarding address) / / (503)370-9969 phone/fax __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: Jason Drake new distance coach at Washington State Univ.
"Drake, who was the distance coach at Colorado for the past eight years..." Wetmore wasn't the distance coach at Colorado??? Can't say I know who Jason Drake is. Assistant distance coach, maybe? http://cubuffs.ocsn.com/sports/c-track/mtt/colo-c-track-mtt.html Hmm, looks like he was the mid-distance coach there. That would make more sense. I hope WSU knows that. ;-) Dan --- Paul Merca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ...full story at: > > http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/134477122_regr18.html > > Paul Merca = http://AccountBiller.com - MyCalendar, D-Man, ReSearch, etc. http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy T&F @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] <|\/ <^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (lifetime forwarding address) / / (503)370-9969 phone/fax __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: Chilly B's Shallow Alto Intelligencer
In a message dated Tue, 18 Jun 2002 3:53:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "toby -" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >One very important note: this IS Garry's house. if'n you're nice, he might actually >tell you where his local is.>> Actually, I hang out mainly in neighboring Los Altos (my local is a tequila joint called Ay Ay Ay, or Ay3 for short). The Tobester's list was pretty comprehensive. For a pre-meet load of grease and beer, can't beat a trip to Zot's or the O. For a good all-around website, check out this URL, as it points you to several different PA restaurant-review sites: http://www.boulevards.com/paloalto/dining/reviews.html Be aware that Saturday night is PA's annual "Black & White Ball," which means the area around teh Sheraton will be clogged with party-goers. It also suggests that the constabulary will be paying more attention than usual, so easy on racking up DUI points. I'd also note that while the track is close to downtown PA, meet headquarters at Rickey's is about 3M away. Indeed, location of Rickey's is close to an intersection where Palo Alto, Los Altos and Mountain View (world-famous home of T&FN!) all meet. I'd also be remiss if I didn't point you to the joint where Stember is the daytime bartender. Check this out! http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/06/02/SP150190.DTL gh
Re: t-and-f: Chilly B's--part ii
In a message dated Tue, 18 Jun 2002 3:53:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "toby -" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>At this junction, you'll find the Town and Country Village, a very typical >California outdoor shopping center. Here, you'll find a great sit-down >restaurant in Hobee's(specializing in breakfast). >> Should note that there is also a Hobee's right across the street from Rickey's, the meet hotel. People start lining up there to eat in the morning. Rickey's is NOT in a convenient area for walk-to dining, unless you have an affection for Trader Vic's high-octane cocktail concoctions. gh
Re: t-and-f: American distance running & walking
Richard McCann wrote: > Vis a vis, the backstroke vs. freestyle analogy: Some of us believe that > cycling has a closer relationship to distance running than walking > does. Why would anyone think that? Running is a high impact activity with eccentric forces approximately 2.5 times body weight. Race walking is lower impact, but still has an eccentric component, with forces about 1.5 times body weight. Cycling is the poster low impact sport, with essentially no eccentric component. Sprinting is an extremely eccentric activity where the athlete delivers a very large impulse to the the track over a period of only a few milliseconds; very different from cycling where a more or less constant force is applied to the pedals through 360 degrees of rotation. It would therefore seem, on this basis, that cycling and walking are closer related than cycling and running. Note that one of the leading walking in this country from a few years ago, Jonathan Matthews, came to athletics from a cycling background (he apparently got tired of crashes). -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
t-and-f: Snell's conqueror--a clue
Actually, Snell got beaten by two high schoolers in a mile in June of ’65. For most of the list there would be just one, but in deference to Martin Dixon's sensitivities we'll include Canadians under that rubric. So you've got a race in which the reigning Olympic champion loses to both a Canadian and an American prep. (The Canadian, being from B.C., ran under a proper 12-grade HS system :-) And the two went on to become college teammates and one of them was good enough to be NCAA runner-up. Who are they?! gh
t-and-f: how did this go unremarked?!
(OK, so i didn't even notice it until today myself) Auburn, Washington finally breaks (intrinsically, since York already bettered it in metric sense) the legendary 4 x 880 records of 7:35.6 from way back in '66. What are you old NY guys going to have to talk about now? :-) gh
Re: t-and-f: Snell's conqueror--a clue
I'm thinking that it would have to be Norm Trerise and I already guessed Danielson but I guess that isn't right. Regards, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Actually, Snell got beaten by two high schoolers in a mile in June of ’65. For >most of the list there would be just one, but in deference to Martin Dixon's >sensitivities we'll include Canadians under that rubric. So you've got a race in >which the reigning Olympic champion loses to both a Canadian and an American prep. >(The Canadian, being from B.C., ran under a proper 12-grade HS system :-) > > And the two went on to become college teammates and one of them was good enough to >be NCAA runner-up. > > Who are they?! > > gh I
t-and-f: Snell, clue ii
a bit of a teaser: even though the Canadian and the American lived in separate countries, it could be said they went to HS in the same city. gh
t-and-f: RE: t-and-f: Snell's conqueror--a clue
I believe the American prep was Roscoe Divine. Snell was sick at the race in Vancouver and finished 10th, around 4:15. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Snell's conqueror--a clue Actually, Snell got beaten by two high schoolers in a mile in June of ’65. For most of the list there would be just one, but in deference to Martin Dixon's sensitivities we'll include Canadians under that rubric. So you've got a race in which the reigning Olympic champion loses to both a Canadian and an American prep. (The Canadian, being from B.C., ran under a proper 12-grade HS system :-) And the two went on to become college teammates and one of them was good enough to be NCAA runner-up. Who are they?! gh
Re: t-and-f: how did this go unremarked?!
In a message dated 6/18/02 3:44:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Auburn, Washington finally breaks (intrinsically, since York already bettered it in metric sense) the legendary 4 x 880 records of 7:35.6 from way back in '66. What are you old NY guys going to have to talk about now? :-) >> The 7:35.6 was on a dirt track...using the reverse conversion tables that I've devised, Auburn's 7:32.89 is only worth 7:40.89 on dirt, so Boys High and Andrew Jackson still lead MY all-time list. Walt Murphy (One of those old NY guys)
Re: t-and-f: NYTimes.com Article: Milers on a Four-Minute Mission
Given that a Kenyan passport means squat it's safe to say there are no 18 year old Kenyan kids running four minute miles either. malmo > >That in itself raises a good question: Are there any "15-year-old Africans" >are running any sub-4:00 miles on any kind of track, shod or not? Given that they don't run miles, but 1500s, I would assume not! > >gh >
Re: t-and-f: Webb goes pro; out of juniors
Ray Flynn is a list lurker. What say ye Ray? If it all blows up in the kids face, when you are no longer pimpin him, will the deal have been good enough to trade away the best four years of his life? Or is it just "business"? malmo >Alan Webb has signed with Ray Flynn's Sports Management agency (terms >undisclosed). >
t-and-f: Snell--halfway there
OK, Marty Post remembered that Roscoe Divine (Vancouver, Washington) beat Snell in Vancouver, B.C., in June of '65 when the Kiwi was way sick and gacked on the track after finish last in 4:15. But he was only the second prep to beat him that night. What Canadian high schooler--and Divine's Oregon teammate-to-be--finished higher in the race? I may have to hang down my head and cry if nobody gets this soon. (do i need to mention that's a clue too?) gh
t-and-f: when a record isn't one
USATF release: Huddle named USATF Athlete of the Week <> Not in any way trying to diminish Huddle's accomplishment, but her mark points out how the jumping around w/ distance marks (I'd be very happy for preps to run nothing to be 2M, just for the record) between 3000m, 3200m and 2M leads to inflated performances. Combine those three distances into equivalents and Huddle only rates as No. 7 on the all-time list. Way worthy of mention, but not qutie the same as being the "real" HS Recordholder. gh
t-and-f: USATF Release - June 18, 2002
Contact:Joe Hughes Communications Intern USA Track & Field (317) 261-0500 x357 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usatf.org FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Tuesday, June 18, 2002 Huddle named USATF Athlete of the Week Molly Huddle ran 10:01.08 to set a national high school record in the girls two-mile run Friday at the adidas Outdoor Track & Field Championships at North Carolina State University. Huddle finished 25 seconds ahead of the field, beating the former record that was set by Mary Shea in 1979. Huddle came back on Saturday to finish second in the one-mile run with a time of 4:47.24. Megan Kaltenbach of Aurora, Colo. won the one-mile in 4:43.54. Huddle is a senior at Notre Dame Academy in Elmira, New York, and will reportedly go to the University of Notre Dame (Ind.). Two other national records were set in North Carolina. The Auburn (Wash.) boys 4x800m relay team ran 7:32.89, and the Bronxville (N.Y.) girls 4-mile relay team ran 20:11.56 to break the existing high school marks in their respective events. The four athletes on Auburns 4x800m relay team came back to run the second-fastest HS distance medley relay time ever (9:50.98). In other events at the meet, Sanya Richards, of Pembroke Pines, Fla., won the girls 100m (11.39) and 200m (23.03), and Kelly Willie, of Houston, Tex., won the boys 100m (10.35) and 200m (20.83). Willie has the fastest 100m (10.24) and 200m (20.49) high school times in the nation this year. Now in its second year, USATFs Athlete of the Week program is designed to recognize performers at all levels of the sport. USATF names a new honoree each week and features the athlete on the USATF Web site. Selections are based on top performances and results from the previous week. 2002 USATF Athlete of the Week winners: January 3, Jim Garcia; January 8, Mary Louise Michelsohn; January 15, Tamara Diles; January 22, Miguel Pate; January 29, Regina Jacobs; February 5, Jeff Hartwig; February 12, Meb Keflezighi; February 19, Curt Clausen; February 26, Jeff Hartwig; March 5, Nicole Teter; March 12, Jeff Hartwig; March 19, Aretha Hill; March 26, Deena Drossin; April 2, Kim Fitchen; April 9, Deena Drossin; April 16, Khalid Khannouchi; April 23, Kenta Bell; April 30, Suzy Powell; May 7, Deena Drossin; May 14, Savante Stringfellow; May 21, Adam Nelson; May 28, Kevin Toth; June 4, Lashinda Demus; June 11, Anna Norgren Mahon; June 18, Molly Huddle. TOP OUTDOOR PERFORMANCES, WEEK OF JUNE 17 110-METERS HURDLES 13.36 Aubrey Herring at Holmdel, NJ 400-METERS HURDLES 49.05 Bryan Bronson at Houston, Texas POLE VAULT 19-4.25 (5.90m) Jeff Hartwig at Jonesboro, Ark. (equals world lead) WOMENS 100 METERS 11.39 Sanya Richards (Florida HS) at Raleigh, NC WOMENS 200 METERS 23.03 Sanya Richards (Florida HS) at Raleigh, NC WOMENS 100-METERS HURDLES 13.12 Kia Davis at Holmdel, NJ WOMENS 400-METERS HURDLES 55.09 Sandra Glover at Houston, Texas WOMENS HIGH JUMP 6-1.5 (1.87m) Chaunte Howard (California HS) at Raleigh, NC WOMENS POLE VAULT 14-9.25 (4.50m) Kellie Suttle at Jonesboro, Ark. 14-9.25 (4.50m) Jillian Schwartz at Jonesboro, Ark.
Re: t-and-f: RE: t-and-f: Snell's conqueror--a clue
Well I seemed to be getting nowhere with my guessing and poking around so I asked someone who has been on the scene in BC for quite awhile and boy did I ever get a great answer and history lesson. Thanks Gerry. "The Canadian would have been Terry Dooley. There was no BC High School Championships that year, (they did not come into being until 1967 although they were actually run in the late 1940's and early 1950's but then dropped until 1967) but Terry won both the mile (4:27.8) and two mile (9:34.9) on the same day within two hours of each other at the famed Vancouver and District meet. At that time, the Vancouver and District meet was the largest high school track and field meet in Canada and drew up to 35,000 spectators to the old Empire Stadium in Vancouver. It was a clay based track and when it rained it was very, very slow as you sunk well into the stuff and i caked your shoes. Terry was coached by Lloyd Swindells who turned out most of the top high school distance runners of the time that included Peter Spir, Norm Trerise, Rick Ritchie, Peter Favell, Ken Lucks and myself. In his grade 12 year, Terry actually ran about 4:12 (could have even been 4:10) for the mile--unheard of in BC before that time. Unfortunately, Lloyd died of a brain tumour a few years later, but he is in the BC Sports Hall of Fame. Terry went on to run at University of Oregon. I am not sure who his USA team mate was. The day this the race with Snell was run, Snell was very sick. None of today's modern athletes would have run, but Snell thought it is duty to do so. I was the meet director for that meet which was one of the first Achilles meets. We had a walk up crowd of 14,000 and made a pile of money. After the race, Snell who placed almost last, addressed the crowd and appologized for his poor performance--something elso that would not happen today. The mile was actually won by Grelle who set a then American record. We had a bevy of other stars in the meet including Billy Mills, who ran the mile at this meet. Let me know if you would like any further information. Gerry Gerry Swan 2447 Sugarpine St. Abbotsford B.C. Canada V2T 3M7" Post, Marty wrote: > I believe the American prep was Roscoe Divine. Snell was sick at the race in > Vancouver and finished 10th, around 4:15. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:22 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: t-and-f: Snell's conqueror--a clue > > Actually, Snell got beaten by two high schoolers in a mile in June of ’65. > For most of the list there would be just one, but in deference to Martin > Dixon's sensitivities we'll include Canadians under that rubric. So you've > got a race in which the reigning Olympic champion loses to both a Canadian > and an American prep. (The Canadian, being from B.C., ran under a proper > 12-grade HS system :-) > > And the two went on to become college teammates and one of them was good > enough to be NCAA runner-up. > > Who are they?! > > gh
Re: t-and-f: how did this go unremarked?!
In a message dated 6/18/02 4:44:14 PM, FMBYRNES writes: << The 7:35.6 was on a dirt track...using the reverse conversion tables that I've devised, Auburn's 7:32.89 is only worth 7:40.89 on dirt, so Boys High and Andrew Jackson still lead MY all-time list. Walt Murphy (One of those old NY guys) >> Dirt, smirt - one of the fastest tracks in the world, then and now, was the Bakersfield one. Give it up, Auburn set a new record and it should be accepted as such. >> Mike, Next time I'll add the computer symbol for "tounge-in-cheek"(does one exist?). And what does the Bakersfield track have to do with anything? Did you forget that the 7:35.6 was run at St.John's? Walt Murphy
t-and-f: Flynn the pimp??
>From: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Post, Marty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'t-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. >edu' (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: t-and-f: Webb goes pro; out of juniors >Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:59:52 EST > >Ray Flynn is a list lurker. > >What say ye Ray? If it all blows up in the kids face, when you are no > >longer pimpin him, will the deal have been good enough to trade away >the >best four years of his life? > >Or is it just "business"? > >malmo Malmo or anyone else, how would anyone be pimping Webb? He made a decision to forego a scholarship at Michigan? he's going to George Mason. He's signing a shoe contract, signed with an agent, and reunited with his HS coach. It's likely, given how these things often work, that his shoe sponsor is paying part of his expenses to go to school as well. why should Ray Flynn be expected to treat Webb any diff than Acuff or Pintusevich? They are part of his group to **earn money* for the company and for him. Now one may bicker over how much one should earn or how much one should race, etc, etc.. He get's to go to school, get a "big" shoes contract, travel and compete in Europe, pick his races judiciously, and lord knows what else... but in no way is Webb being pimped out of the best 4 yrs of his life. --Kebba _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
Re: t-and-f: Flynn the pimp??
>> >>What say ye Ray? If it all blows up in the kids face, when you are >>no >longer pimpin him, will the deal have been good enough to trade >>away >the best four years of his life? >> > > He gets to ... pick his races judiciously, and lord knows what >else... but in no way is Webb being pimped out of the best 4 yrs >of his life. > >--Kebba > Absolutely right, Kebba. Everybody knows that college can really chew up distance runners through over-racing. That's not really a problem if you have no real pro potential, but for someone like Webb, getting to race as little or as much as he desires could really help his development. And if the shoe company pays for college, then he still gets to have "the best four years of his life." -- Lee Nichols Assistant News Editor The Austin Chronicle 512/454-5766, ext. 138 fax 512/458-6910 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: how did this go unremarked?!
Walt, according to http://www.cknow.com/ckinfo/emoticons.htm , the computer symbol for 'tongue-in-cheek' (sorry they don't have one for "tounge-in-cheek", is :-? But use it judiciously, because that symbol is also said to represent Pipe smoker, Blue Oyster Cult fetishist, or Licking lips. ...ALL of which may be appropriate for afficionados of reverse conversion tables for dirt track achievements! RT >Mike, > Next time I'll add the computer symbol >for "tounge-in-cheek"(does one >exist?). >Walt Murphy
t-and-f: Setting the record straight
For the record the 7:35.6 for the 2 mile relay (4 x 880 yards) was set on the St John's University all-weather track, not a dirt/cinder type. I was there, having been a student at Jamaica HS, 3/4 mile away on the south side of Grand Central Parkway. We trained at St Johns during the winter when the track was free of snow. Our team set a school record that day (sub 8) but our anchor leg was still on the turn when the record was set. Also, being a Coloradoan at this time, Drake was an assistant coach at CU. He worked with Wetmore as his assistant. He had responsibility for a variety of runners. He is indoctrinated in Wetmore's (read Lydiard's) approach to training. Don't know where he will find a hilly, dirt road at 9,000 feet to do the mandatory 2 hour plus Sunday runs near Pullman. But I am certain, he will find something and the runners will benefit from his experience earned at CU. Glenn McCarthy
Re: t-and-f: Flynn the pimp??
the best 4 years of Webb's life, eh? And Malmo decided as to which four years, that's cool, can you do that for me too. How are you with the stock market, best 4 stocks to buy? Lets see, he gets to run for a coach he trusts, be close to home. and schedule the races he wants to run. Did i mention he gets paid? Yeah that sucks, what a pimp that Ray Flynn is. major tom
Re: t-and-f: Flynn the pimp??
ray flynn has nothing to explain to any of us. "It's the business that we choose" major tom
Re: t-and-f: Flynn the pimp??
The kid isn't ready to be thrown to the wolves yet. Let's continue this discussion in four years. I hope I'm wrong. malmo >>From: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: "Post, Marty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'t-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. >>edu' (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: Re: t-and-f: Webb goes pro; out of juniors >>Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:59:52 EST >> >>Ray Flynn is a list lurker. >> >>What say ye Ray? If it all blows up in the kids face, when you are no >> >longer pimpin him, will the deal have been good enough to trade away >the >>best four years of his life? >> >>Or is it just "business"? >> >>malmo > >Malmo or anyone else, > >how would anyone be pimping Webb? He made a decision to forego a scholarship >at Michigan? he's going to George Mason. He's signing a shoe contract, >signed with an agent, and reunited with his HS coach. > >It's likely, given how these things often work, that his shoe sponsor is >paying part of his expenses to go to school as well. > >why should Ray Flynn be expected to treat Webb any diff than Acuff or >Pintusevich? They are part of his group to **earn money* for the company and >for him. Now one may bicker over how much one should earn or how much one >should race, etc, etc.. He get's to go to school, get a "big" shoes >contract, travel and compete in Europe, pick his races judiciously, and lord >knows what else... but in no way is Webb being pimped out of the best 4 >yrs of his life. > >--Kebba > > > > >_ >Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > >
t-and-f: Ex-Olympic Champion Davenport Dies
From: RT sad news. Ex-Olympic Champion Davenport Dies By Associated Press June 18, 2002, 7:06 PM EDT CHICAGO -- Willie Davenport, who won the gold medal in the 110-meter hurdles in 1968 and competed in a total of five Olympics, died of a heart attack after collapsing at O'Hare International Airport, the Cook County medical examiner's office said Tuesday. The 59-year-old Davenport was changing planes Monday when he collapsed. He was pronounced dead at Resurrection Medical Center, said a spokesman who would not give his name. Davenport equaled the Olympic record when he ran the hurdles in 13.3 seconds at Mexico City. He won a bronze in the event at the 1976 Games. He also was a Summer Olympian in 1964 and 1972, but failed to medal at either competition. In 1980, Davenport was a member of the U.S. four-man bobsled team that finished 12th at the Winter Olympics. That made him one of the eight Americans to compete in both the Summer and Winter Games. Davenport and Jeff Gadley were the first black Olympic bobsledders. The medical center spokesman said Davenport was a colonel in the National Guard. He apparently was on National Guard business in Boise, Idaho, and was returning to New Orleans when he collapsed. The spokesman said plans were being made Tuesday to transport the body to Davenport's home in New Orleans. Davenport was inducted into the USA Track and Field Hall of Fame in 1982 and to the Olympic Hall of Fame eight years later. After retiring from the sport, he became an officer in the Army. An Army private in 1964, Davenport was the surprise winner in the 110-meter hurdles at the Olympic trials and suddenly became the favorite for the gold medal. But a thigh injury hampered him, and Davenport lost in the semifinals. Davenport was the national champion in the event the next three years, and his Olympic gold medal in 1968 was earned in what he considered a perfect race. "From the first step, the gun, I knew I had won the race," he said. "It was perhaps the only race I ever ran that way, but that first step was so perfect, right on the money." But his best discipline might have been the 60-yard hurdles, an indoor event not part of the Olympic program. Davenport was national champion in that event five times, 1966, 1967 and 1969-71. The 1968 Olympic team in Mexico City, was described by Craig Masback, executive director of U.S. Track and Field, as "the greatest track team in history." Beside Davenport, it included Bob Beamon, Lee Evans, Jim Hines, Wyomia Tyus, Bob Seagren, Tommie Smith and John Carlos. Davenport, born in Troy, Ala., also was a member of the Louisiana Sports Hall of Fame. Davenport and fellow track star Rodney Milburn were coached by the charismatic Dr. Richard A. Hill at Southern University in Baton Rouge, Ala. Information on survivors and services wasn't available Tuesday. Copyright (c) 2002, The Associated Press This article originally appeared at: http://www.newsday.com/sports/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-oly-obit-davenport0618jun18.story Visit Newsday online at http://www.newsday.com
Re: t-and-f: Flynn the pimp??
A message sent to the list which generated the same type of pro and con replies: "Subject: t-and-f: half-joking thought about Webb Date:Wed, 30 May 2001 07:17:53 -0400 From: "Martin J. Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Track & Field List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I realize that this is all hypothetical but why couldn't he get a 4 year deal with a shoe company that stipulates that he will be attending school and that he controls when and where he can compete? Somebody would have to offer it to him obviously and I don't know whether a shoe company would. Most of the big meets take place when he is out of school. There have been successful athletes out there who have had jobs(Steve Jones comes to mind) and I don't know about the rest of you but I didn't realize just how easy I had it when I went to post secondary school. 8 months a year with a lot of time off-nice gig if you can get it. I don't know how Webb is scholastically but it strikes me that a shoe company could get some mileage out of this kind of association. Maybe there are some issues to do with stepping on the toes of the NCAA but I don't know. T & F is unique compared to other big name sports because a large part of its' competitive schedule does not take place during the school year like football, basketball, hockey etc. Regards, Martin" malmo wrote: > The kid isn't ready to be thrown to the wolves yet. > > Let's continue this discussion in four years. I hope I'm wrong. > > malmo > > >>From: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Reply-To: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>To: "Post, Marty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'t-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. > > >>edu' (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Subject: Re: t-and-f: Webb goes pro; out of juniors > >>Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:59:52 EST > >> > >>Ray Flynn is a list lurker. > >> > >>What say ye Ray? If it all blows up in the kids face, when you are no > >> >longer pimpin him, will the deal have been good enough to trade away >the > > >>best four years of his life? > >> > >>Or is it just "business"? > >> > >>malmo > > > >Malmo or anyone else, > > > >how would anyone be pimping Webb? He made a decision to forego a scholarship > > >at Michigan? he's going to George Mason. He's signing a shoe contract, > >signed with an agent, and reunited with his HS coach. > > > >It's likely, given how these things often work, that his shoe sponsor is > >paying part of his expenses to go to school as well. > > > >why should Ray Flynn be expected to treat Webb any diff than Acuff or > >Pintusevich? They are part of his group to **earn money* for the company and > > >for him. Now one may bicker over how much one should earn or how much one > > >should race, etc, etc.. He get's to go to school, get a "big" shoes > >contract, travel and compete in Europe, pick his races judiciously, and lord > > >knows what else... but in no way is Webb being pimped out of the best 4 > > >yrs of his life. > > > >--Kebba > > > > > > > > > >_ > >Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > >http://www.hotmail.com > > > > -- Regards, Martin Martin J. Dixon, B. Math. (Hons), C.A., Partner Millard, Rouse & Rosebrugh LLP Chartered Accountants P.O. Box 367 96 Nelson Street Brantford, Ontario N3T 5N3 Direct Dial: (519) 759-3708 Ext. 231 Telephone: (519) 759-3511 Private Facsimile: (519) 759-8548 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site: www.millards.com Practice Areas: www.millards.com/htm/profs/m_mjdixo.htm
Re: t-and-f: American distance running & walking
The most important component of distance running probably is oxygen delivery and consumption, not mechanical forces, unlike sprinting, jumping, etc. Cycling, particularly time trialing and hill climbing, requires a higher VO2max, which is comparable to the stresses of running. Walking is much more constrained by the arbitrary mechanical requirements, and when those aren't binding, the athlete is cheating. Maybe cross country skiing is more relevant than walking to distance running??!! RMc At 02:24 PM 6/18/2002 -0700, t-and-f-digest wrote.. >Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:12:57 -0500 >From: "Wayne T. Armbrust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: t-and-f: American distance running & walking > >Richard McCann wrote: > > > Vis a vis, the backstroke vs. freestyle analogy: Some of us believe that > > cycling has a closer relationship to distance running than walking > > does. > >Why would anyone think that? Running is a high impact activity with eccentric >forces approximately 2.5 times body weight. Race walking is lower impact, but >still has an eccentric component, with forces about 1.5 times body weight. >Cycling is the poster low impact sport, with essentially no eccentric >component. Sprinting is an extremely eccentric activity where the athlete >delivers a very large impulse to the the track over a period of only a few >milliseconds; very different from cycling where a more or less constant force >is applied to the pedals through 360 degrees of rotation. > >It would therefore seem, on this basis, that cycling and walking are closer >related than cycling and running. Richard McCann M.Cubed, Davis, California (530) 757-6363
Re: t-and-f: Setting the record straight
In a message dated 6/18/02 6:44:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << For the record the 7:35.6 for the 2 mile relay (4 x 880 yards) was set on the St John's University all-weather track, not a dirt/cinder type. >> As soon as I sent my original post, I started to wonder if my memory had failed me (once again). I'll just have to factor that into my reverse conversion tables, which make everything that happened in the 60s much better than they are now(copies available for a nominal fee). Walt Murphy
Re: t-and-f: Webb goes pro; out of juniors
I'm sure Ray Flynn did not recruit Webb to his group by encouraging him to leave school. But if Webb wants to leave a school and sign with an agent, why should Flynn turn him down? sideshow
t-and-f: Athlete information for USA Outdoor Championships
The Athlete Information packet for the USA Outdoor Championships is available at the USA Track & Field website: http://www.usatf.org/events/2002/USAOutdoorChampionships/athleteInfo/A thleteInformationPacket.pdf The packet contains important information about: Facilities Practice schedules Athlete Flow Shuttle Services Packet Pick Up Credentials Facility maps
Re: t-and-f: American distance running & walking
Richard You're talking in circles. All races in T&F are about moving the body over a distance as fast as possible. Some of these races have obstacles & rules which restrain the athlete to some degree. These are hurdles, exchange zones, lanes and yes, technique(s) required to navigate the course. Hurdling has a standardized set of rules that one way not deviate from, although some people have better technique than others. Walking is the same, as there are rules that must be followed to ensure that you are in fact walking. There is a sound & fundamental biomechanical difference between the techniques of running and walking and it is related to usage of the quadriceps to support the body on contact with the ground (runners use it, walkers don't - a simplified explanation). The issue of VO2max, is silly to bring up. Testing has shown that walkers have similar ratios to those of all elite endurance athletes. Walking is a part of athletics, like it or not. No one is asking anyone to like it, but for those who don't, do what your mother said. If you have nothing nice to say . . . MJR
Re: t-and-f: Webb goes pro; out of juniors
Hate to ask the obvious, but not being hip to distance running... Webb is extremely good for an american 19 year old, but is he actually good enough to be invited to meets that would allow him to earn money from running outside of the shoe contract? I can't see the title of "HS mile recordholder" exciting european meet promoters that much. If he can't get into quality euro meets that pay, where's he going to run outside of Prefontaine and Oregon track classic? Unattached at college meets? s.devereaux --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm sure Ray Flynn did not recruit Webb to his group by encouraging him > to leave school. But if Webb wants to leave a school and sign with an > agent, why should Flynn turn him down? > sideshow __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
t-and-f: Coaching position
HEAD COACH UNIVERSITY OF ALBERTA TRACK & FIELD AND CROSS COUNTRY University of Alberta Athletics invites applications for the position of Head Coach of the Track & Field and Cross Country teams. Reporting to the Director of Athletics, the head coach will be responsible for all duties associated with the successful operation of competitive university track & field and cross country programs. Major responsibilities include coaching, recruiting/retention, creation and management of a yearly budget and promotion of positive community and alumni relations. The head coach will be in support of and act in accordance to the strategic direction and initiatives of University of Alberta Athletics and the University of Alberta as they relate to fund raising, general promotions, budget management and appropriate administrative responsibilities. In addition the head coach will ensure compliance with Canada West conference and Canadian Interuniversity Sport rules and regulations. These responsibilities are required in organizing a competitive and successful team while promoting academic success for student athletes. The University of Alberta is working in conjunction with the Edmonton 2001 Athletics Legacy Foundation to develop a national centre for coach and athlete development. The successful applicant will be integrally involved with this centre as it develops. This position may also include teaching credit courses in the Faculty of Physical Education and Recreation, pending candidate qualifications. The successful candidate should possess a university degree with NCCP Level III certification; as well as at least three years head coaching and event coaching experience, preferably at the University level. In addition, effective communication skills and proven organizational, leadership and management skills are required. Familiarity with the Athletics Canada ranking system is an asset. The University of Alberta provides excellent indoor training facilities in the Universiade Pavilion and outdoor training facilities at the recently developed Foote Field. The Canadian Senior Track and Field Championships are being hosted at Foote Field this year from June 21-23. The University also offers outstanding support in the areas of marketing, fundraising, administration and has a very extensive alumni network. Salary will be commensurate with experience. Please forward your resume by June 21, 2002 to: Kim Gordon, Director of Athletics University of Alberta Athletics P220 Van Vliet Centre Edmonton, AB T6G 2H9 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Only those applicants selected for interviews will be contacted. The University of Alberta hires on the basis of merit and is committed to employment equity. We encourage all qualified applicants to apply.
t-and-f: USATF Media Advisory: Jones, Montgomery added to Thursday press conference
Triple Olympic gold medalist Marion Jones and 2001 U.S. men's 100m champion Tim Montgomery have been added to USA Track & Field's star-studded 11 a.m. Thursday (June 20) press conference at the Sheraton Palo Alto. Please see below for full details of the event. Media Advisory Press conferences scheduled for June 20 at Palo Alto, Calif. USATF will host a press conference in advance of the 2002 USA Outdoor Track & Field Championships at 11 a.m. on Thursday, June 20, at the Sheraton Palo Alto. The following athletes are scheduled to appear at the press conference. Who:LaShinda Demus, world junior record holder, NCAA champion, U.S. leader, and 2002 world #4 (54.85 seconds) in 400m hurdles Maurice Greene, Olympic champion, 3-time world champion and world record holder (9.79 seconds) in 100 meters; 1999 world 200m champion Allen Johnson, 3-time World Champion, 1996 Olympic champion, 4-time U.S. champion, and 2002 world leader (13.04 seconds) in 110m hurdles Marion Jones, 5-time Olympic medalist; 2-time world 100m champion; 2001 world 200m champion; 2002 world leader (10.90 seconds) in 100m; 2002 world leader (22.32) in 200m; 4-time defending U.S. 200m champion; 2-time U.S. 100m champion Tim Montgomery, 2001 U.S. champion, 2001 World Championships silver medalist, and 2002 world leader (9.94 seconds) in 100m; 2001 World Championships 4x100m gold medalist Adam Nelson, Olympic and World Championships silver medalist and 2002 world leader (22.51m/73-10.25) in shot put Nicole Teter, 2002 USA Indoor champion, U.S. indoor record holder (1:58.71) and 2002 US outdoor leader (1:59.76) in 800m Kevin Toth, 2002 Nike Prefontaine Classic shot put champion, 1994 USA Indoor champion, 2002 world #2 (22.19m/72-9.75), shot put When: 11 a.m., Thursday, June 20 Where: Sheraton Palo Alto, 61 El Camino Real, Palo Alto, CA 94301 Phone: 650-328-2800 Fax: 650-327-7362 NYC Marathon advisory: Immediately following the USATF press conference, at 12:15 p.m., the New York Road Runners will hold a special New York City Marathon news conference featuring a top American athlete who will debut at the marathon distance at this year's race. Media Credential/packet pick-up:Members of the media may pick up their credentials for the 2002 USA Outdoor Track & Field Championships at the USATF office located in the Sheraton on Wednesday and Thursday from 10 a.m. until 6 p.m. (the credentials also will be at the press conference). After Thursday, credentials must be picked up at the media entrance at Cobb Track & Angell Field.
t-and-f: USATF Release: Kilmartin, Pickler lead USA Junior combined events
Contact:Tom Surber Media Information Manager USA Track & Field (317) 261-0500 x317 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usatf.org FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Tuesday, June 18, 2002 Kilmartin, Pickler lead USA Junior Combined Events National Championships BERKELEY, California - Donovan Kilmartin and Julie Pickler are the leaders after Tuesday's first day of competition at the 2002 USA Junior Combined Events National Championships at the University of California's Edwards Stadium/Goldman Field in Berkeley, California. A resident of Meridian, Idaho and a junior at Eagle High School in Eagle, Idaho, Kilmartin leads the decathlon with 3,949 points. He holds a commanding lead over Robert Bates, who is in second place with 3,675 points, and Justin Palmer, who sits in third place with 3,588 points. The University of South Carolina's Greg Royster is fourth with 3,482 points, and Justin Smith is in fifth place with 3,441 points. Bates, Palmer and Smith are all competing unattached. Kilmartin is making his first ever appearance at the USA Junior Championships as the 2001 USATF Junior Olympics Nationals gold medalist, winning last year's event with a national youth record score of 7,405 points. In the same meet, Kilmartin also won his division in the pole vault with a clearance of 5.00 meters/16 feet, 4.75 inches. After competing in the decathlon, Kilmartin also will compete in the pole vault later this week at the USA Junior Championships at Stanford University in Palo Alto. "I did a good job of hitting all of my marks today and I'm a little bit ahead of where I thought I'd be," said Kilmartin. "I'm really happy with my high jump today (2.08 meters/6 feet, 9.75 inches). I want to come out strong tomorrow in the 110m hurdles and get off to a good start, which will be a big key for me." In the women's hepathlon, Julie Pickler holds a narrow lead over her sister Diana going into the second day of competition on Wednesday. Both members of the Texas Express (Sasche), Julie tallied 3,261 points on Tuesday, while sister Diana finished with 3,249 points. "I'm ahead of my first day personal record, (3,208 points) which is always good," Julie Pickler said. "The high jump went really well for me today. I set a new PR of (1.67m) 5 feet, 5.75 inches. I've never beaten my sister in the heptathlon. Maybe this will be the time, but I don't worry about that. I just want to come out here and do my best and hopefully that will be enough to win." The defending U.S. Junior heptathlon champion, Diana Pickler is looking to overtake her sister with a strong performance on Wednesday. "I enjoy competing against my sister," she said. "We do it every day in practice so we're accustomed to it. Today's competition is nothing new. We're always close to each other after the first day." Vanderbilt University's Josie Hahn is third with 3,218 points and the University of Miami's Amber Williams is fourth with 3,134 points. Liberty University's Danielle McNan is fifth with 3,087 points. Along with the completion of the USA Junior Combined Events National Championships, tomorrow Edwards Stadium will host the first day of the USA Outdoor Track & Field Championships multi-events competition featuring top stars Dan O'Brien, Tom Pappas, Shelia Burrell and DeDee Nathan. For more information about the 2002 USA Outdoor Championships, including the full results from Tuesday's first day of the USA Junior Combined Events National Championships, visit www.usatf.org. # # #
Re: t-and-f: American distance running & walking
Netters Rich wrote: > The most important component of distance running probably is oxygen > delivery and consumption, not mechanical forces, Well here is where I start to differ. Consumption and delivery are not that important. What is that important is the speed at which you are doing it and for that you have to have the right mechanical forces. O2 Consumption/delivery is just as great a factor in walking as it is in running only the speeds change. But the demands of the rules place more importance on the biomechanics of the event. > Cycling, particularly time trialing and hill climbing, requires a higher > VO2max, which is comparable to the stresses of running. Walking is much more > constrained by the arbitrary mechanical requirements, and when those aren't > binding, the athlete is cheating. This is where the lack of direct experience coaching the event shows up. You need to really coach both running and walking, sometimes the same athlete, in the same workout to see how closely the two are related. When I walk 3000m in 12:05 I am at maximum aerobic consumption. I am also still well with in the confines of the rules. It's the same effort level I would put out for a 2 mile race in 10:00. Same heart rate, same lactate levels, same O2 consumption. The only difference is the speed. What I think runners can learn from walkers is how important the perfection of technique is. This comes in many forms but if you look, for example, how Abel Anton, and Martin Fiz train, you would see that aside from the differences in biomechanics that they train the same way that the best Spanish walkers train. Because of my background walking, I know how to do medicine ball work, functional strength training for proprioceptive (sp) training and specific flexibillities. I am used to counting stride rates and measuring stride lengths and I know what the effect can be on performance. I know when my young runners are over striding and what to do to make them stop and be faster. Traditional American distance running coaches do not address theses issues and in conversations with a few demonstrate a glaring lack of understanding in regards to injuries, both in prevention and rehab. Maybe cross country skiing is more relevant > than walking to distance running??!! Cross country Skiing in the traditional form would be more related to walking then running and top skiers use many of the same techniques that the top walkers us.
Re: t-and-f: Chilly B's--part ii
"not convenient"...unless you're chris katon in a 'borrowed' rickey's
security golf cart headin the wrong way down el camino to the aggie post-XC
nats party('97) while wearing a cape.
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Chilly B's--part ii
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:05:01 -0400
In a message dated Tue, 18 Jun 2002 3:53:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "toby
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>>At this junction, you'll find the Town and Country Village, a very
typical
>California outdoor shopping center. Here, you'll find a great sit-down
>restaurant in Hobee's(specializing in breakfast). >>
Should note that there is also a Hobee's right across the street from
Rickey's, the meet hotel. People start lining up there to eat in the
morning. Rickey's is NOT in a convenient area for walk-to dining, unless you
have an affection for Trader Vic's high-octane cocktail concoctions.
gh
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t-and-f: palo alto tips (re-forward them to me?)
hey, i just accidentally deleted toby's tips for places to drink/eat in palo alto, can someone re-forward them to me (sorry, i haven't figured out how to use the search function for the list) thanks, g Geoff Thurner Assistant Director/Publications Coordinator University of Oregon Media Services - Athletics Len Casanova Center 2727 Leo Harris Parkway Eugene, OR 97401 Phone: (541) 346-2250 Fax: (541) 346-5449 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.goducks.com GO DUCKS!! - GO DUCKS!! - GO DUCKS!!
t-and-f: ELITETRACK.com- a new T&F web site for coaches
Hi All- I'm sure some of you on other list servers are sick of seeing this message but it just occured to me that I hadn't posted this to the audience I most wanted to reach- those with knowledge about Track & Field. I've just finished putting together a web page with the purpose of providing conditioning and technique related information to coaches. The site is geared towards Track & Field coaches, but in time there should be valuable information for coaches of all sports. The URL of the site is: http://www.elitetrack.com. If you don't have Flash software on your computer, or don't wish to make the free download then go to this URL instead: http://www.elitetrack.com/main.html I am writing this email to let everyone know about the site and also to send out an invitation for paper submissions for the site. The papers may be on any of the following topics: sprinting, endurance running, hurdles, jumping events, throwing events, strength and conditioning, flexibility / mobility, nutrition and supplements, and miscellaneous sports related topics (i.e- biomechanics or periodization). The articles should be quality papers, in manuscript form (as opposed to just an outline) and references should be cited where necessary. Students may submit previous school work if it fits these requirements. Please don't submit another person's work unless you have the permission of the copyright holder to do so. I would also appreciate it if you could check out the site and provide feedback on the layout and content. Please be as critical as you like- if there are any grammatical mistakes, spelling errors, dead links, etc. please let me know. Thanks- Michael Young Louisiana State University http://www.elitetrack.com Home: 225-757-0959 Cell: 225-772-0750 Office: 225-578-4395 Fax: 225-578-3680 _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
