t-and-f: Looking for Pocatello results
Hi everybody. I wonder if somebody has the link to the official results of the Idaho State Tie Dye Meet, held in Pocatello on Dec 14. According to the Idaho State Journal website, Stacy Dragila cleared 15-0, along with some other good marks in various events. I haven't been able to find anything at the ISU website so far. A Happy New Year to everybody! Mats Åkerlind Gävle, Sweden
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This article was in the 12/29 Washington Times Time trial marks Alan Webb's first race By Steve Nearman Alan Webb ran his first track race as a professional yesterday at the Prince George's Sports & Learning Complex in Landover. Top Stories To be fair, it was a low-key time trial, an exhibition 1,000-meter race set in the middle of a high school invitational. "This is the first time I have put spikes on since the NCAAs [in June]," said the rusty Webb, after finishing his event at the two-day Metro Run & Walk Holiday Invitational. "Not bad, but I was really hoping for a PR." It was close, but Webb looked like a guy who hasn't been doing much speed work, a fact that he and his coach Scott Raczko confirmed. "We just wanted to get a time trial before altitude," said Raczko, who has worked for Metro Run & Walk for the past few years. "We're leaving for Albuquerque tomorrow for 3½ weeks." Webb lined up on the fast 200-meter track with former South Lakes High (Reston, Va.) teammate and designated rabbit Richard Smith while Raczko paced the infield. It was just the two of them, but it represented two of America's greatest middle-distance prospects. At 2:15 p.m., the gun sounded and Smith and Webb dashed off. Smith took Webb through a relaxed opening 200 meters in 29.16, then they went to work, cruising through 400 meters in 57.67. Unfortunately, the fieldhouse full of prep runners did not recognize history's greatest high school miler, so the cheering and vocal encouragement was limited mostly to the South Lakes fans. Smith bolted away from Webb after 500 meters, then dropped out as Webb passed 600 in 1:25.41. He ran solo to the finish, passing 800 in 1:54.40 and finishing in 2:23.88. His PR, which he set last year as the high school national record, is 2:23.68. To put the accomplishment into perspective, the American indoor record is 2:17.85, while the world mark is 2:14.96. Webb signed a multi-year contract with Nike some six months ago, securing his future to train for the 2004 and 2008 Olympics. "I was eager to get in a race, but I was disappointed that I couldn't go any faster in the last 60 meters," said Webb, adding that "we wanted to keep this meet low-key so nobody knew about it. But by summertime, I want to be in shape to run with the best in the world." He said his first big meet would be the U.S. Nationals in June. Then Webb was quickly off to warm down outside. There was evidence, however, that Webb had passed through town: the tell-tale sign was the number of Nike backpacks toted around the indoor track facility by prep hopefuls that had "Alan Webb" signatures on them.
t-and-f: USATF Release: Rau named Athlete of the Week
Contact: Melvin Jackson II Communications Coordinator USA Track & Field (317) 261-0478 x322 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usatf.org FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Tuesday, December 31, 2002 Rau named Athlete of the Week INDIANAPOLIS - Ryan Rau has been named USA Track & Field's Athlete of the Week after becoming the overall winner Saturday at the HUFF 50K Trail Run in Huntington, Ind. Running in his first ultramarathon, Rau won the men's race in 4 hours, 21 minutes, 53 seconds, despite making a wrong turn during the second loop which cost him seven minutes. The 22-year-old Brighton, Mich., native faced a strong challenge from Ryne Melcher of Detroit, Mich., who finished as the runner-up, just 21 seconds behind Rau. Todd Scott of Royal Oak, Mich., was third in 4:28:07. USATF's 2002 Women's Ultradistance Runner of the Year Ann Heaslett of Madison, Wisc., was the overall women's winner in 4:45:38. Tamara Whitten of Indianapolis, Ind., was the runner-up in 5:04:50, with Linda Barhorst of Fort Loramie, Ohio, third in 5:22:37. Now in its second year, USATF's Athlete of the Week program is designed to recognize performers at all levels of the sport. USATF names a new honoree each week and features the athlete on the USATF Web site. Selections are based on top performances and results from the previous week. 2002 USATF Athlete of the Week winners: January 3, Jim Garcia; January 8, Mary Louise Michelsohn; January 15, Tamara Diles; January 22, Miguel Pate; January 29, Regina Jacobs; February 5, Jeff Hartwig; February 12, Meb Keflezighi; February 19, Curt Clausen; February 26, Jeff Hartwig; March 5, Nicole Teter; March 12, Jeff Hartwig; March 19, Aretha Hill; March 26, Deena Drossin; April 2, Kim Fitchen; April 9, Deena Drossin; April 16, Khalid Khannouchi; April 23, Kenta Bell; April 30, Suzy Powell; May 7, Deena Drossin; May 14, Savante Stringfellow; May 21, Adam Nelson; May 28, Kevin Toth; June 4, Lashinda Demus; June 11, Anna Norgren Mahon; June 18, Molly Huddle; June 25, Sanya Richards; July 2, Savante Stringfellow; July 9, Nicole Teter; July 16, Maurice Greene; July 23, Lashinda Demus; July 30, Kerron Clement; August 6, Nate McDowell; August 13, Phil Raschker; August 20, James Carter; August 27, Marion Jones; September 3, Colleen De Reuck; September 10, Suzy Favor Hamilton; September 17, Tim Montgomery; September 24, Marion Jones; October 1, Dan Browne; October 8, Jorge Torres; October 15, Khalid Khannouchi; October 22, Connie Gardner; October 29, Bolota Asmerom; November 5, Marla Runyan; November 12, Ed Gawinski; November 19, Don Sage; November 26, Jorge Torres; December 3, Ari Lambie; December 10, Helen Klein; December 17, Jared Cordes; Ryan Rau December 31. # # # PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE: If you would like to respond, please direct your e-mail to the "Contact" person listed at the top of the text of this message. To be removed from this mailing list or to notify us of a change in your e-mail address, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: t-and-f: Looking for Pocatello results
Tie Dye Meet? Are the schools from the Tie Dye Triangle* competing? malmo * Eugene/Boulder/Berkeley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mats Åkerlind Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 4:15 AM To: track list Subject: t-and-f: Looking for Pocatello results Hi everybody. I wonder if somebody has the link to the official results of the Idaho State Tie Dye Meet, held in Pocatello on Dec 14. According to the Idaho State Journal website, Stacy Dragila cleared 15-0, along with some other good marks in various events. I haven't been able to find anything at the ISU website so far. A Happy New Year to everybody! Mats Åkerlind Gävle, Sweden
Re: t-and-f: yelling at runners (was: favortie sport...)
Back in the day, back before running was reinvented in Boulder, there was a war in the streets as you tried to log your miles. One winter I was asked why my running outfit was so ugly. The colors of this outfit could not be blamed on my color blindness. I dyed my long johns a deep pink, my shorts were a green-yellow, the sweatshirt was orange, and my stocking cap was red. I dressed like this as a form of self defense. In the previous weeks, I was hit in the shoulder by the large mirrors of a pickup truck that came up behind me when I ran a short stretch in the same direction as the traffic. I found myself sprawled on the hood of a car because the driver only looked to the left as she made a right hand turn.On a Sunday morning, a driver swerved toward me and my hand hit the door handle, slashing the top of my hand and giving me a scar that I sport to this day. I vowed that if I was hit again, the driver would have a difficult time explaining that he didn't see me. I was ugly, but I at least felt safer. Have a happy new year. JL "Martin J. Dixon" wrote: > Have almost got in some fights because of the verbal and even physical abuse of > the smokers who gather out in front of the 3 high schools in polite Brantford, > Ontario, Canada that I run by periodically. How I react will usually depend on how > hard I am working. It definitely isn't a regional thing. Right now, I'm in > Ellicottville NY about an hour south of Buffalo and some of the locals are inbred > rednecks and they have actually chased me with their vehicles. > Regards, > Martin > > ghill wrote: > > > > > > > Is Dan's experience a regional thing, or just another sign of modern > > society's breakdown in civility?
Re: t-and-f: yelling at runners (was: favortie sport...)
> Back in the day, back before running was reinvented in Boulder, there was a war in the > streets as you tried to log your miles. One winter I was asked why my running outfit > was so ugly. The colors of this outfit could not be blamed on my color blindness. I > dyed my long johns a deep pink, my shorts were a green-yellow, the sweatshirt was > orange, and my stocking cap was red. I dressed like this as a form of self defense. In > the previous weeks, I was hit in the shoulder by the large mirrors of a pickup truck > that came up behind me when I ran a short stretch in the same direction as the > traffic. I found myself sprawled on the hood of a car because the driver only looked > to the left as she made a right hand turn.On a Sunday morning, a driver swerved toward > me and my hand hit the door handle, slashing the top of my hand and giving me a scar > that I sport to this day. I vowed that if I was hit again, the driver would have a > difficult time explaining that he didn't see me. I was ugly, but I at least felt safer. Smart move. I have a neon yellow jacket that has been jokingly referred to as "Exhibit A" (in case it is needed in court to prove that the driver who hit me could indeed see me). - Ed Parrot
Re: t-and-f: yelling at runners (was: favortie sport...)
But why be dead right? If special clothing has to be worn with the intent of being seen by drivers, then maybe a route farther away from auto traffic needs to be found. I think bright clothing gives some runners a false sense of security. Having grown up in the South Suburbs of Chicago, I've had numerous run ins with cars and pedestrians. While in college, I was surprised at the number of run ins I had on country roads - not just with aggressive car loads of teenagers - but from the grandmas and grandpas who wouldn't yell or throw anything at us, but seemed set on making me/us dead right. For the last 20 years, most of my runs have been in the evening and in the dark, particularly in the winter months. People ask me if I ware reflective tape or material on my running gear. I tell them no, because I don't want to be a visible moving target. Ed and Dana Parrot wrote: > > Back in the day, back before running was reinvented in Boulder, there was > a war in the > > streets as you tried to log your miles. One winter I was asked why my > running outfit > > was so ugly. The colors of this outfit could not be blamed on my color > blindness. I > > dyed my long johns a deep pink, my shorts were a green-yellow, the > sweatshirt was > > orange, and my stocking cap was red. I dressed like this as a form of self > defense. In > > the previous weeks, I was hit in the shoulder by the large mirrors of a > pickup truck > > that came up behind me when I ran a short stretch in the same direction as > the > > traffic. I found myself sprawled on the hood of a car because the driver > only looked > > to the left as she made a right hand turn.On a Sunday morning, a driver > swerved toward > > me and my hand hit the door handle, slashing the top of my hand and giving > me a scar > > that I sport to this day. I vowed that if I was hit again, the driver > would have a > > difficult time explaining that he didn't see me. I was ugly, but I at > least felt safer. > > Smart move. I have a neon yellow jacket that has been jokingly referred to > as "Exhibit A" (in case it is needed in court to prove that the driver who > hit me could indeed see me). > > - Ed Parrot
t-and-f: Problems
Netters: Is anyone else having problems getting into the Brown University results from either the Armory or Dyestat sites, or for that matter any of last week's meets on Dyestat Ed Grant
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Of course, unless The Times means last year as in "nearly 24 months ago", then he set the record while a freshman in college. I assume they mean early 2001, which could more accurately be called 2 years ago at this point. - Original Message - > His PR, which he set last year as the high school national record, is > 2:23.68.
Re: t-and-f: yelling at runners (was: favortie sport...)
This sounds so crazy I think I must be making it up, but did I read somewhere once (urban myth?) that there's some kind of "inherent targeting mechanism" in the brain that actually leads drivers in certain cases to swerve towards people (not just runners) on the side of the road? Not with any malice; sort of a can't-help-it thing. gh > From: Mike Prizy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Organization: @attbi.com > Reply-To: Mike Prizy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:13:14 -0600 > To: Ed and Dana Parrot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "\"\\\"Athletics\\\"\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: t-and-f: yelling at runners (was: favortie sport...) > > But why be dead right? If special clothing has to be worn with the intent of > being seen by drivers, > then maybe a route farther away from auto traffic needs to be found. I think > bright clothing gives > some runners a false sense of security. > > Having grown up in the South Suburbs of Chicago, I've had numerous run ins > with cars and > pedestrians. While in college, I was surprised at the number of run ins I had > on country roads - not > just with aggressive car loads of teenagers - but from the grandmas and > grandpas who wouldn't yell > or throw anything at us, but seemed set on making me/us dead right. > > For the last 20 years, most of my runs have been in the evening and in the > dark, particularly in the > winter months. People ask me if I ware reflective tape or material on my > running gear. I tell them > no, because I don't want to be a visible moving target. > > Ed and Dana Parrot wrote: > >>> Back in the day, back before running was reinvented in Boulder, there was >> a war in the >>> streets as you tried to log your miles. One winter I was asked why my >> running outfit >>> was so ugly. The colors of this outfit could not be blamed on my color >> blindness. I >>> dyed my long johns a deep pink, my shorts were a green-yellow, the >> sweatshirt was >>> orange, and my stocking cap was red. I dressed like this as a form of self >> defense. In >>> the previous weeks, I was hit in the shoulder by the large mirrors of a >> pickup truck >>> that came up behind me when I ran a short stretch in the same direction as >> the >>> traffic. I found myself sprawled on the hood of a car because the driver >> only looked >>> to the left as she made a right hand turn.On a Sunday morning, a driver >> swerved toward >>> me and my hand hit the door handle, slashing the top of my hand and giving >> me a scar >>> that I sport to this day. I vowed that if I was hit again, the driver >> would have a >>> difficult time explaining that he didn't see me. I was ugly, but I at >> least felt safer. >> >> Smart move. I have a neon yellow jacket that has been jokingly referred to >> as "Exhibit A" (in case it is needed in court to prove that the driver who >> hit me could indeed see me). >> >> - Ed Parrot >
Re: t-and-f: yelling at runners (was: favortie sport...)
Yes, Garry, I think so. I recall it was about drivers hitting parked vehicles that had their lights on! It is because drivers have descended from primal hunters. I also recommend the prey run in camouflage. td -- >From: ghill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: track list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: t-and-f: yelling at runners (was: favortie sport...) >Date: Tue, Dec 31, 2002, 3:33 PM > > This sounds so crazy I think I must be making it up, but did I read > somewhere once (urban myth?) that there's some kind of "inherent targeting > mechanism" in the brain that actually leads drivers in certain cases to > swerve towards people (not just runners) on the side of the road? Not with > any malice; sort of a can't-help-it thing. > > gh > >> From: Mike Prizy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Organization: @attbi.com >> Reply-To: Mike Prizy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:13:14 -0600 >> To: Ed and Dana Parrot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Cc: "\"\\\"Athletics\\\"\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: t-and-f: yelling at runners (was: favortie sport...) >> >> But why be dead right? If special clothing has to be worn with the intent of >> being seen by drivers, >> then maybe a route farther away from auto traffic needs to be found. I think >> bright clothing gives >> some runners a false sense of security. >> >> Having grown up in the South Suburbs of Chicago, I've had numerous run ins >> with cars and >> pedestrians. While in college, I was surprised at the number of run ins I had >> on country roads - not >> just with aggressive car loads of teenagers - but from the grandmas and >> grandpas who wouldn't yell >> or throw anything at us, but seemed set on making me/us dead right. >> >> For the last 20 years, most of my runs have been in the evening and in the >> dark, particularly in the >> winter months. People ask me if I ware reflective tape or material on my >> running gear. I tell them >> no, because I don't want to be a visible moving target. >> >> Ed and Dana Parrot wrote: >> Back in the day, back before running was reinvented in Boulder, there was >>> a war in the streets as you tried to log your miles. One winter I was asked why my >>> running outfit was so ugly. The colors of this outfit could not be blamed on my color >>> blindness. I dyed my long johns a deep pink, my shorts were a green-yellow, the >>> sweatshirt was orange, and my stocking cap was red. I dressed like this as a form of self >>> defense. In the previous weeks, I was hit in the shoulder by the large mirrors of a >>> pickup truck that came up behind me when I ran a short stretch in the same direction as >>> the traffic. I found myself sprawled on the hood of a car because the driver >>> only looked to the left as she made a right hand turn.On a Sunday morning, a driver >>> swerved toward me and my hand hit the door handle, slashing the top of my hand and giving >>> me a scar that I sport to this day. I vowed that if I was hit again, the driver >>> would have a difficult time explaining that he didn't see me. I was ugly, but I at >>> least felt safer. >>> >>> Smart move. I have a neon yellow jacket that has been jokingly referred to >>> as "Exhibit A" (in case it is needed in court to prove that the driver who >>> hit me could indeed see me). >>> >>> - Ed Parrot >> >
Re: t-and-f: yelling at runners (was: favortie sport...)
Mike Prizy wrote: > But why be dead right? If special clothing has to be worn with the intent of being seen by drivers, > then maybe a route farther away from auto traffic needs to be found. I think bright clothing gives > some runners a false sense of security. Unfortunately such routes are getting more difficult to find. And for those of us who run in the evening, it is even worse. I once lived in an area where I could safely do long runs at night with plenty of well lighted sidewalks and relatively safe streets. Now I live in a rapidly growing area where runners and bikers risk life and limb, children do not even walk to the nearby school, and the only sidewalks are in those highly restricted subdivisions. The primary design consideration for the community has been to maximize the profits of the developers. Hell, it's not even safe to walk anywhere in broad daylight, as drivers ignore posted speed limits and there are only narrow shoulders on the sides of the road. So I try to wear bright colors, stay alert, and attempt to minimize time on the more dangerous roads. > Having grown up in the South Suburbs of Chicago, I've had numerous run ins with cars and > pedestrians. While in college, I was surprised at the number of run ins I had on country roads - not > just with aggressive car loads of teenagers - but from the grandmas and grandpas who wouldn't yell > or throw anything at us, but seemed set on making me/us dead right. I was once tooling along on a cold night and felt something hit me in the chest. I looked down and saw that I had been egged. I watched the auto which I thought had just passed me turn into a driveway and immediately confronted the driver. To my surprise, it was an elderly man and his wife! Since I didn't actually see the egg being thrown, all I could do was apologize and continue on. Our angry responses to driver aggression can sometimes get us into trouble. I fully expect to get shot by a drunk redneck one day while running and die just like Dennis Hopper at the end of "Easy Rider". bob
Re: t-and-f: yelling at runners (was: favortie sport...)
Mike, Help me here. A runner should find "a route farther away from auto traffic"and further away from "country roads" where the senior set wants to make you "dead right"? And you have preferred to run at night with dark clothes on so that you can be an invisible moving target? I take it that this plan has worked well for you. JL Mike Prizy wrote: > But why be dead right? If special clothing has to be worn with the intent of being >seen by drivers, > then maybe a route farther away from auto traffic needs to be found. I think bright >clothing gives > some runners a false sense of security. > > Having grown up in the South Suburbs of Chicago, I've had numerous run ins with cars >and > pedestrians. While in college, I was surprised at the number of run ins I had on >country roads - not > just with aggressive car loads of teenagers - but from the grandmas and grandpas who >wouldn't yell > or throw anything at us, but seemed set on making me/us dead right. > > For the last 20 years, most of my runs have been in the evening and in the dark, >particularly in the > winter months. People ask me if I ware reflective tape or material on my running >gear. I tell them > no, because I don't want to be a visible moving target. > > Ed and Dana Parrot wrote: > > > > Back in the day, back before running was reinvented in Boulder, there was > > a war in the > > > streets as you tried to log your miles. One winter I was asked why my > > running outfit > > > was so ugly. The colors of this outfit could not be blamed on my color > > blindness. I > > > dyed my long johns a deep pink, my shorts were a green-yellow, the > > sweatshirt was > > > orange, and my stocking cap was red. I dressed like this as a form of self > > defense. In > > > the previous weeks, I was hit in the shoulder by the large mirrors of a > > pickup truck > > > that came up behind me when I ran a short stretch in the same direction as > > the > > > traffic. I found myself sprawled on the hood of a car because the driver > > only looked > > > to the left as she made a right hand turn.On a Sunday morning, a driver > > swerved toward > > > me and my hand hit the door handle, slashing the top of my hand and giving > > me a scar > > > that I sport to this day. I vowed that if I was hit again, the driver > > would have a > > > difficult time explaining that he didn't see me. I was ugly, but I at > > least felt safer. > > > > Smart move. I have a neon yellow jacket that has been jokingly referred to > > as "Exhibit A" (in case it is needed in court to prove that the driver who > > hit me could indeed see me). > > > > - Ed Parrot
Re: t-and-f: yelling at runners (was: favortie sport...)
> From: "Bob Duncan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: "Bob Duncan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:59:58 -0600 > To: "Track Listserve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: t-and-f: yelling at runners (was: favortie sport...) > > Our angry responses to driver aggression can sometimes get us into trouble. > I fully expect to get shot by a drunk redneck one day while running and die > just like Dennis Hopper at the end of "Easy Rider".>> In defense of drunken rednecks everywhere, I'd also like to point out you could wind up blown away by a stoned hippie, just like Robert Blake at the end of "Electra-Glide In Blue." :-) gh
t-and-f: Runners/Yelling
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 23:53:18 + From: "Kurt Bray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: t-and-f: yelling at runners (was: favortie sport...) >I think that gh is accurate that the whole thing is further evidence of a >breakdown in civility, but perhaps it's even more accurate to say that >individuals are feeling less and less secure about themselves and >compensate >by making fun of others in far more stupid ways than past generations did. >I.'ve been honked/yelled-at/mocked in northern Calif., southern Calif., >Oregon, Minnesota, Florida, and pretty much every other place where I've run >more than once or twice. >My own theory on why they do it is that, by running past them, many people >of a more sedentary life style are automatically annoyed. Because by your >very willingness to so visibly work so hard at something they are too lazy t>o do, you are inadvertently asserting a form of moral superiority over t>hem. And they resent it. >Kurt Bray I think it's also a function of the venue you choose, too. I've had beer cans and verbal epithets thrown my way on country roads all over. But in 20 years here in Eugene, I have heard not even a catcall, largely because my jogging is limited to bike paths, where there are relatively few people, and no motor vehicles. I'm sure the runners in the community who go out on long jaunts would have a different story to tell. As an aside, I knew Eugene was the place for me on my first visit, in June of 1971. While running on a local golf course, a collie dashed out from a nearby yard and latched onto my achilles. The neighbor next door ran over, helped chase the dog off, and promised to call Animal Control. My kind of town.
Re: t-and-f: yelling at runners (was: favortie sport...)
I stay away from country roads now,,I'd rather be verbally attacked, than attacked by coyotes..or dogsI got attacked by coyotes last February..got me a couple times and took 16 rabies shotsso, it's comforting to run where the traffic is...at least if it happens again..someone could help out.most of my mileage is done in early morning darkness..shocking..I had always heard they avoid human contact.no they don't. Nearly three decades of running and not a whole lot of people problems..I had envisioned back in the 70's putting together a secret society ..call it the "Runners Defense League" (RDL) (I know, I copied it) anyway, someone seriously harrasses a runner...we all go out at night and burn their homes down...thankfully that thought was just the effects of fatigue and adrenalin after one of the few times I was harrassed. - Original Message - From: "John Lunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mike Prizy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Ed and Dana Parrot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; ""\"\\"Athletics\\"\""" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 4:14 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: yelling at runners (was: favortie sport...) > Mike, > Help me here. > A runner should find "a route farther away from auto traffic"and further away from "country roads" where > the senior set wants to make you "dead right"? And you have preferred to run at night with dark clothes > on so that you can be an invisible moving target? > I take it that this plan has worked well for you. > JL > > Mike Prizy wrote: > > > But why be dead right? If special clothing has to be worn with the intent of being seen by drivers, > > then maybe a route farther away from auto traffic needs to be found. I think bright clothing gives > > some runners a false sense of security. > > > > Having grown up in the South Suburbs of Chicago, I've had numerous run ins with cars and > > pedestrians. While in college, I was surprised at the number of run ins I had on country roads - not > > just with aggressive car loads of teenagers - but from the grandmas and grandpas who wouldn't yell > > or throw anything at us, but seemed set on making me/us dead right. > > > > For the last 20 years, most of my runs have been in the evening and in the dark, particularly in the > > winter months. People ask me if I ware reflective tape or material on my running gear. I tell them > > no, because I don't want to be a visible moving target. > > > > Ed and Dana Parrot wrote: > > > > > > Back in the day, back before running was reinvented in Boulder, there was > > > a war in the > > > > streets as you tried to log your miles. One winter I was asked why my > > > running outfit > > > > was so ugly. The colors of this outfit could not be blamed on my color > > > blindness. I > > > > dyed my long johns a deep pink, my shorts were a green-yellow, the > > > sweatshirt was > > > > orange, and my stocking cap was red. I dressed like this as a form of self > > > defense. In > > > > the previous weeks, I was hit in the shoulder by the large mirrors of a > > > pickup truck > > > > that came up behind me when I ran a short stretch in the same direction as > > > the > > > > traffic. I found myself sprawled on the hood of a car because the driver > > > only looked > > > > to the left as she made a right hand turn.On a Sunday morning, a driver > > > swerved toward > > > > me and my hand hit the door handle, slashing the top of my hand and giving > > > me a scar > > > > that I sport to this day. I vowed that if I was hit again, the driver > > > would have a > > > > difficult time explaining that he didn't see me. I was ugly, but I at > > > least felt safer. > > > > > > Smart move. I have a neon yellow jacket that has been jokingly referred to > > > as "Exhibit A" (in case it is needed in court to prove that the driver who > > > hit me could indeed see me). > > > > > > - Ed Parrot > >
Re: t-and-f: yelling at runners (was: favortie sport...)
I've been playing in traffic now for nigh on 60,000 or so miles in the last 20 years. One of my one finger salutes a few years ago got the guy I was running with that day charged with some highway traffic offence. He had the misfortune of running in the outside lane. We had to assume the position just outside of the Y in Brantford and a bunch of our friends(mostly professionals of some sort or another) were going in and out of the front door while it was going on. Of course they didn't dare stop and ask. It made the national press in Canada but it was before I got on any lists. It was laughed out of court and the cop who laid the charge will probably never live it down and they will likely joke about it at his retirement roast. My friend's father proudly added the various articles, pro and con letters to the editor and a copy of the traffic ticket to a scrapbook that he has been keeping on his son since he was an age group national class swimmer. Regards, Martin John Lunn wrote: > Mike, > Help me here. > A runner should find "a route farther away from auto traffic"and further away from >"country roads" where > the senior set wants to make you "dead right"? And you have preferred to run at >night with dark clothes > on so that you can be an invisible moving target? > I take it that this plan has worked well for you. > JL > > Mike Prizy wrote: > > > But why be dead right? If special clothing has to be worn with the intent of being >seen by drivers, > > then maybe a route farther away from auto traffic needs to be found. I think >bright clothing gives > > some runners a false sense of security. > > > > Having grown up in the South Suburbs of Chicago, I've had numerous run ins with >cars and > > pedestrians. While in college, I was surprised at the number of run ins I had on >country roads - not > > just with aggressive car loads of teenagers - but from the grandmas and grandpas >who wouldn't yell > > or throw anything at us, but seemed set on making me/us dead right. > > > > For the last 20 years, most of my runs have been in the evening and in the dark, >particularly in the > > winter months. People ask me if I ware reflective tape or material on my running >gear. I tell them > > no, because I don't want to be a visible moving target. > > > > Ed and Dana Parrot wrote: > > > > > > Back in the day, back before running was reinvented in Boulder, there was > > > a war in the > > > > streets as you tried to log your miles. One winter I was asked why my > > > running outfit > > > > was so ugly. The colors of this outfit could not be blamed on my color > > > blindness. I > > > > dyed my long johns a deep pink, my shorts were a green-yellow, the > > > sweatshirt was > > > > orange, and my stocking cap was red. I dressed like this as a form of self > > > defense. In > > > > the previous weeks, I was hit in the shoulder by the large mirrors of a > > > pickup truck > > > > that came up behind me when I ran a short stretch in the same direction as > > > the > > > > traffic. I found myself sprawled on the hood of a car because the driver > > > only looked > > > > to the left as she made a right hand turn.On a Sunday morning, a driver > > > swerved toward > > > > me and my hand hit the door handle, slashing the top of my hand and giving > > > me a scar > > > > that I sport to this day. I vowed that if I was hit again, the driver > > > would have a > > > > difficult time explaining that he didn't see me. I was ugly, but I at > > > least felt safer. > > > > > > Smart move. I have a neon yellow jacket that has been jokingly referred to > > > as "Exhibit A" (in case it is needed in court to prove that the driver who > > > hit me could indeed see me). > > > > > > - Ed Parrot
Re: t-and-f: yelling at runners (was: favortie sport...)
ghill wrote: > In defense of drunken rednecks everywhere, I'd also like to point out you > could wind up blown away by a stoned hippie, just like Robert Blake at the > end of "Electra-Glide In Blue." :-) Back in the early 70's I was running out in the country with a friend. We both looked a little ragged with our long hair and beards. So we ran by this old house which was close to the road and an old man was sitting on the porch. As we ran by he shook his fist and yelled at us "get out of the road and get a job!" bob
Re: t-and-f: yelling at runners (was: favortie sport...)
> From: "Bob Duncan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: "Bob Duncan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:52:04 -0600 > To: "track list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: t-and-f: yelling at runners (was: favortie sport...) > > Back in the early 70's I was running out in the country with a friend. We > both looked a little ragged with our long hair and beards. So we ran by > this old house which was close to the road and an old man was sitting on the > porch. As we ran by he shook his fist and yelled at us "get out of the road > and get a job!>> reminds me of one of the great changes in society: in 1970 perhaps the greatest harassers of the freaks were construction workers, with their "get a haircut" refrain. Today it's tough to find a construction worker who isn't a scruffy long-haired freak, and the kids sport marine haircuts. Go figure! gh
Re: t-and-f: yelling at runners (was: favortie sport...)
--- ghill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This sounds so crazy I think I must be making it up, but did I read > somewhere once (urban myth?) that there's some kind of "inherent > targeting mechanism" in the brain that actually leads drivers in > certain cases to swerve towards people (not just runners) on the side > of the road? Not with any malice; sort of a can't-help-it thing. It's common knowledge in mountain biking that if you look at the rock you're trying to avoid, you'll hit it regardless. The same holds true for most anything: Look at it and you will unintentionally veer that direction. In the case of runners on the side of the road (I agree with Kurt Bray's assessment), we really are a novelty to much of the population. As such, it's only natural that people will look over and veer toward said runners whether or not they mean harm. I would also add that I've received all sorts of heckling and profanities pretty much everywhere I've run, with the major exception being Vancouver, B.C. Dan = http://AccountBiller.com - MyCalendar, D-Man, ReSearch, etc. http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy T&F @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] <|\/ <^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax / / __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: yelling at runners (was: favortie sport...)
I never knew how good I had it here in the Bay Area until reading this thread! Been running since the early 70s, and can count on one hand (okay, maybe two) the amount of times I've been even heckled at. The worst incident I can recall is a group of kids puddle-splashing me with their car. Certainly, in my high school days of group training, we dished out more than our share of abuse and hijinks to non-runners during our long and not-so-lonely training runs, so I consider myself way ahead on the abuse scale. I believe my two most recent "hassles" were both with mountain bikers acting like idiots (there's a whole 'NOTHER thread). I've had great adventures running abroad in India (leader of the kids parade) and Mexico, where I came upon a funeral procession out in the countryside, dressed only in shorts and shoes. Not wanting to offend, but also not wanting to cut short my run, I weighed the options, plunged ahead, and was immediately mocked by one member of the funeral, which caused great laughter in the group. As he and I got around the corner (he was mimicking my running) he then asked me if I wanted to buy some "mota"! I didn't feel so embarrassed passing the group on my way back... Happy New Years to all-- Brian McGuire - Original Message - From: "Dan Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "track list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 2:27 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: yelling at runners (was: favortie sport...) > --- ghill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This sounds so crazy I think I must be making it up, but did I read > > somewhere once (urban myth?) that there's some kind of "inherent > > targeting mechanism" in the brain that actually leads drivers in > > certain cases to swerve towards people (not just runners) on the side > > of the road? Not with any malice; sort of a can't-help-it thing. > > It's common knowledge in mountain biking that if you look at the rock > you're trying to avoid, you'll hit it regardless. The same holds true for > most anything: Look at it and you will unintentionally veer that > direction. In the case of runners on the side of the road (I agree with > Kurt Bray's assessment), we really are a novelty to much of the > population. As such, it's only natural that people will look over and > veer toward said runners whether or not they mean harm. > > I would also add that I've received all sorts of heckling and profanities > pretty much everywhere I've run, with the major exception being Vancouver, > B.C. > > Dan > > = > http://AccountBiller.com - MyCalendar, D-Man, ReSearch, etc. > http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy T&F > > @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <|\/ <^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) > _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax >/ / > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com >
Re: t-and-f: yelling at runners (was: favortie sport...)
If I'm "invisible," I'm not a target. John Lunn wrote: > Mike, > Help me here. > > A runner should find "a route farther away from auto traffic"and further away from >"country roads" where > the senior set wants to make you "dead right"? And you have preferred to run at >night with dark clothes > on > so that you can be an invisible moving target? > > I take it that this plan has worked well for you. > JL > > Mike Prizy wrote: > > > But why be dead right? If special clothing has to be worn with the intent of being >seen by drivers, > > then maybe a route farther away from auto traffic needs to be found. I think >bright clothing gives > > some runners a false sense of security. > > > > Having grown up in the South Suburbs of Chicago, I've had numerous run ins with >cars and > > pedestrians. While in college, I was surprised at the number of run ins I had on >country roads - not > > just with aggressive car loads of teenagers - but from the grandmas and grandpas >who wouldn't yell > > or throw anything at us, but seemed set on making me/us dead right. > > > > For the last 20 years, most of my runs have been in the evening and in the dark, >particularly in the > > winter months. People ask me if I ware reflective tape or material on my running >gear. I tell them > > > no, because I don't want to be a visible moving target. > > > > > Ed and Dana Parrot wrote: > > > > > > Back in the day, back before running was reinvented in Boulder, there was > > > a war in the > > > > streets as you tried to log your miles. One winter I was asked why my > > > running outfit > > > > was so ugly. The colors of this outfit could not be blamed on my color > > > blindness. I > > > > dyed my long johns a deep pink, my shorts were a green-yellow, the > > > sweatshirt was > > > > orange, and my stocking cap was red. I dressed like this as a form of self > > > defense. In > > > > the previous weeks, I was hit in the shoulder by the large mirrors of a > > > pickup truck > > > > that came up behind me when I ran a short stretch in the same direction as > > > the > > > > traffic. I found myself sprawled on the hood of a car because the driver > > > only looked > > > > to the left as she made a right hand turn.On a Sunday morning, a driver > > > swerved toward > > > > me and my hand hit the door handle, slashing the top of my hand and giving > > > me a scar > > > > that I sport to this day. I vowed that if I was hit again, the driver > > > would have a > > > > difficult time explaining that he didn't see me. I was ugly, but I at > > > least felt safer. > > > > > > Smart move. I have a neon yellow jacket that has been jokingly referred to > > > as "Exhibit A" (in case it is needed in court to prove that the driver who > > > hit me could indeed see me). > > > > > > - Ed Parrot
Re: t-and-f: yelling at runners (was: favortie sport...)
on 12/31/02 3:33 PM, ghill at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This sounds so crazy I think I must be making it up, but did I read > somewhere once (urban myth?) that there's some kind of "inherent targeting > mechanism" in the brain that actually leads drivers in certain cases to > swerve towards people (not just runners) on the side of the road? Not with > any malice; sort of a can't-help-it thing. > > gh Could be, but last week I had a driver swerve AWAY from me half a lane, putting his wheels right on the line of slush down the middle of the lane, and creating a wave of water and dirty snow that nailed me before I was a mile into my run. I'm sure it was funny to watch. -- Jim Gerweck Runnng Times
Re: t-and-f: yelling at runners (was: favortie sport...)
On a more sober note, my daughter grew up as a runner and regularly endured attacks, such as the occasional beer bottle, firecracker or cherry bomb. Just two years ago as an adult, she was attacked my a man while running in a park in Los Angeles. Despite being an experienced runner, she was wearing headphones and the guy was able to sneak up on her. Fortunately, she escaped and with the assistance of a passing motorist, the culprit was arrested. Unfortunately, there were no witnesses to the actual attack. My daughter went to court on it but the judge let the attacker go free for lack of evidence. I think maybe we should refer this one to the Runners Defense League. And then maybe move to Vancouver (must be something in the water up there). bob
t-and-f: St. John's
Netters: Having been occupied the past week or so with a rare visit from the Irish side of our widespread family, I have not had the time to comment on the deplorable decision of St. John's to drop its men's track and field program. I am sure that what follows will more than make up for the delay (as well as probably infuriate some memners of our list) Let's state it as plainly as possible. St. John's has been forced into this decision by a fascistic organization which claims as its purpose the elevation of women in athletics. The Women Sports Foundation and its leaders would have been right at home in Nazi Germany or communist Russia. It operates from the same principles as those totalitarian governments did; among other thibngs it is a master of the big lie. I have watched some of its leaders defend their policies on various TV programs recently and have winced at their distortion of what is happening in college athletics today. I have also winced at the cowardice of the hosts of these programs in failing to properly challenged these distortions. For example, let us look at the mathematical monstrosity which has compelled St. John's to drop men;s track and out in its place men's lacrosse. As Jim Hurt points out in Walt Murphy's latest newsletter, the two sports could have roughly the same number of participants, which he puts at 35. But the track number is more than doubled by the fiction of counting the 35 twice, once for indoors and once for outdoors, then, for good measure, adding another dozen for cross-country. The fact that no more than 35 individuals are involved is simply ignored. This in the face of the fact that the great god NCAA limited its athletes to a certain number of meets (I believe, but am not sure, it is 18), counting indoors and outdoors together. In other words, it's two seasons when you want it to be and one when you don't. But this kind of thing happens all the time. The idea of breaking what was once a one-season sport (with one head coach handling all three) is a relatively recent thing. It happened in NJ around 1960 and was a direct result of the raging jealousy which coaches in other sports had because track and field was the only nine-month sport. (Football coaches, in particular in our state, were livid because they were denied te privilege of spring practice) Track coaches like Marshall Brown at Plainfield and Ed Mather at Bernards, who raised their programs to the status of a major sport, paid the penalty of scorn from colleagues in other sports. It is particularly ironic that St. Johbn's should be the latest victim of this mathematical distortion, for it was a student at that school--in fact, the athlete who Hurt singles out, properly, as the greatest in the school's long history of the sport, who provided one of the highest moments our sport has known when, after much soul-searching, he thumbled his nose at the autocratic (and that's a mild word) NCAA to compete in the 1965 AAU championshiops. I refer, of course, to Tom Farrell. (Incidentally, the cutoff of the program will also cut short the five years Tom had intended to serce as an unpaid volunteer coach at his alma mater to pay it back for all it had done for him.) My hope is that some of the graduates of St. John's Law School, a number of whom are former members of the track team, will get together to challenge the way Title IX is being interpreted and put it where it belongs, on the ash heap of history. (Too bad the leaders of the WSF can't be put there with it.) Don't bother trying to change my mind on this. I have been covering sports longer than most of you have been alive and have seen this whole matter develop from the days when these women's ideological ancestors were leading the drive against participation by girls in interscholastic athletics (during six years of which I was coaching girls who had nowhere to go after they graduated from grammar school.) Ed Grant .
a tangent to Re: t-and-f: yelling at runners (was: favortie sport...)
Does anybody else ever feel like they're being pulled to the side of a bridge when they're running across one? I don't know if it's my paranoia/fear of heights, latent suicidal tendencies or some other effect. The only other person I ever brought it up with said he felt the same way. Jorma - Original Message - From: "Dan Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > --- ghill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This sounds so crazy I think I must be making it up, but did I read > > somewhere once (urban myth?) that there's some kind of "inherent > > targeting mechanism" in the brain that actually leads drivers in > > certain cases to swerve towards people (not just runners) on the side > > of the road? Not with any malice; sort of a can't-help-it thing. > > It's common knowledge in mountain biking that if you look at the rock > you're trying to avoid, you'll hit it regardless. The same holds true for > most anything: Look at it and you will unintentionally veer that > direction. In the case of runners on the side of the road (I agree with > Kurt Bray's assessment), we really are a novelty to much of the > population. As such, it's only natural that people will look over and > veer toward said runners whether or not they mean harm. > > I would also add that I've received all sorts of heckling and profanities > pretty much everywhere I've run, with the major exception being Vancouver, > B.C. > > Dan > > = > http://AccountBiller.com - MyCalendar, D-Man, ReSearch, etc. > http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy T&F > > @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <|\/ <^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) > _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax >/ / > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com >
t-and-f: hit the pause button!
No more "yelling at runners" posts allowed for the rest of the year: get out and celebrate. Happy New Year to one and all! gh
Re: a tangent to Re: t-and-f: yelling at runners (was: favortie sport...)
Wait Gar, one more ... My mom is scared of heights and she says she feels like she is being pulled to the side when on a bridge. Twenty-something years ago, I student taught drivers ed. in college (sometimes on country roads:) I had a professor who harped all the time reminding us student teachers to harp on the student driver not to look at the on coming car or a parked car because of a tendency to steer towards what was being looked at. This was particularly an issue for new/inexperienced drivers. And, on New Years Eve at 9:30 p.m. Chicago time, 20-something years ago I would have already taught a few pints a lesson or two. But, instead, to night I am home with my wife and three sons (12, 10, and 8) making homemade pizza - but there are a couple of pints in the fridge post marked from Ireland with my name on them. Happy New Years and pray for peace Jorma Kurry wrote: > Does anybody else ever feel like they're being pulled to the side of a > bridge when they're running across one? > I don't know if it's my paranoia/fear of heights, latent suicidal tendencies > or some other effect. The only other person I ever brought it up with said > he felt the same way. > Jorma > > - Original Message - > From: "Dan Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > --- ghill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > This sounds so crazy I think I must be making it up, but did I read > > > somewhere once (urban myth?) that there's some kind of "inherent > > > targeting mechanism" in the brain that actually leads drivers in > > > certain cases to swerve towards people (not just runners) on the side > > > of the road? Not with any malice; sort of a can't-help-it thing. > > > > It's common knowledge in mountain biking that if you look at the rock > > you're trying to avoid, you'll hit it regardless. The same holds true for > > most anything: Look at it and you will unintentionally veer that > > direction. In the case of runners on the side of the road (I agree with > > Kurt Bray's assessment), we really are a novelty to much of the > > population. As such, it's only natural that people will look over and > > veer toward said runners whether or not they mean harm. > > > > I would also add that I've received all sorts of heckling and profanities > > pretty much everywhere I've run, with the major exception being Vancouver, > > B.C. > > > > Dan > > > > = > > http://AccountBiller.com - MyCalendar, D-Man, ReSearch, etc. > > http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy T&F > > > > @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > <|\/ <^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) > > _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax > >/ / > > > > __ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > >
