Re: t-and-f: Results Greater Boston Meet

[B. Kunnath]

Whats this Tom, can't run a mile any more?? lol
bob
   Men's 1 Mile Run SENIORS    Finals Results - Sunday 01/19/03      PLACE ATHLETE NAME TEAM  TIME       =  = ===    1 Colin "doc" McArdle &n!
 bsp;    Greater Boston Track Club 4:59.57    -    Tom Derderian    Greater Boston Track Club DNF 

 



>From: "Thomas J. Derderian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Thomas J. Derderian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Subject: t-and-f: Results Greater Boston Meet 
>Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 22:22:51 -0500 
> 
>The final results of the GBTC Invitational are on our web page at 
>http://www.gbtc.org/. 
> 
>Tom Derderian, Greater Boston Track Club 
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Re: t-and-f: Is Dempsey Indoor track legal?

[Wayne T. Armbrust]

No indoor record can be set on a track with a circumference greater than 
220 yards. Rule 183.8. The trackceo needs a rule book!

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Y ask:

Someone has wondered whether Tony Young's masters mile indoor record is
legit given that it came on an oversized track (307m to the lap) at the
University of Washington's Dempsey Indoor facility.

My questions:

What are USATF's rules regarding indoor records? Does size of track matter?

What are T&FN's rules for records on oversized tracks?

Thanks muchly.

Ken


 


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Re: t-and-f: Reno Indoor Meets

[Jimson Lee]

http://nevadawolfpack.ocsn.com/sports/w-track/sched/unv-w-track-sched.html


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> Does anyone have a schedule of the Reno Indoor meets?
> 

t-and-f: NYTimes.com Article: Workout Revolution: Is Eight Minutes of Weights all You Need?

[mjdixon]

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All you people training your asses off clearly would appear to have it all wrong. More 
of the easy way out crap that pervades society.
Regards,
Martin

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Workout Revolution: Is Eight Minutes of Weights all You Need?

January 19, 2003
By ALEX KUCZYNSKI 




Strength-training evangelists are claiming they have people
losing fat while keeping hearts healthy with only 20
minutes of weight-lifting a week. 

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Re: t-and-f: Is Dempsey Indoor track legal?

[Wayne T. Armbrust]

Another thing I just noted from my records.  The Indoor track at 
University of Washington doesn't have a curb.  If it did, times on it 
could qualify as outdoor records.

Wayne T. Armbrust wrote:

No indoor record can be set on a track with a circumference greater 
than 220 yards. Rule 183.8. The trackceo needs a rule book!

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Y ask:

Someone has wondered whether Tony Young's masters mile indoor record is
legit given that it came on an oversized track (307m to the lap) at the
University of Washington's Dempsey Indoor facility.

My questions:

What are USATF's rules regarding indoor records? Does size of track 
matter?

What are T&FN's rules for records on oversized tracks?

Thanks muchly.

Ken


 




--
Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Computomarx™
3604 Grant Ct.
Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA
(573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX)
http://www.Computomarx.com
"Know the difference between right and wrong...
Always give your best effort...
Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..."
- Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)

t-and-f: National Depth--Middle Distance

[Roger Ruth]

The following tables summarize the number of athletes each country placed
in the world top-100 rankings for 2002 (plus ties) and the highest-ranked
of these for each event. Since one or two placings may represent only
exceptional individuals, rather than national program strength, I've
condensed the lists to countries with three placings or more in the top
100. The data base drawn upon is the world list from Mirko Jalava's web
site .


MEN'S 800 METERS 2002   WOMEN'S 800 METERS 2002
Country  Top 100  Highest   Country  Top 101  Highest

Kenya   14   2  Russia  15   7
United States   11   9  Ukraine  8  32
France   6   5  Cuba 5   2
South Africa 5   7  United States5   4
Spain4   8  Germany  5  13
Great Britain4  29  Great Britain5  17
Russia   3  13  Poland   5  59
Poland   3  14  Spain4   5
Portugal 3  19  France   4  19
Netherlands  3  33  Romania  3  40
Morocco  3  60  Jamaica  3  58
Qatar3  72

34 countries represented39 countries represented
100th = 1:47.13 100th = 2:02.7h


MEN'S 1500 METERS 2002  WOMEN'S 1500 METERS 2002
Country  Top 101  Highest   Country  Top 100  Highest

Kenya   24   2  Russia  16   5
Spain   14  13  Great Britain9   8
France  10   7  United States8   3
Morocco  6   1  Romania  5   2
Portugal 5   3  Spain5  17
Great Britain5  11  Australia5  51
United States4   8  Kenya4  20
Russia   3  10  Poland   4  30
Algeria  3  26  Ireland  3  14
Netherlands  3  55  Ukraine  3  23
Morocco  3  32
Greece   3  50

26 countries represented36 countries represented
100th = 3:39.86 100th = 4:12.52

t-and-f: Swedish T&F taking top honors

[Mats Åkerlind]

The list has at times discussed various sports and also complained about
the lack of appreciation that T&F gets.

Well, here in Sweden, we cannot complain. Tonight, TV broadcasted the
annual Sports Gala. There the best athletes in Swedish sports are
selected. Part by jury, part by popular choice (telephone voting). In
the presence of both the king and the prime minister, T&F had a super
evening.

First the jury votes:

Best male athlete: Christian Olsson

Best female athlete: Kajsa Bergqvist

Best coach: Ulf Karlsson (head coach of the Swedish national team).
(Yannick Tregaro - the 24 year old coach of Christian Olsson - was also
aming the four nominees)

Best performance of the year: Carolina Klüft

Best personality of the year: Carolina Klüft.

At last, the people's choce of most popular athlete of the year (The
"Jerring" price - named after a legendary radio broadcaster) was
presented.

Winner: Carolina Klüft

After her followed in the top 5:

2) Tony Richardsson (speedway)
3) Magdalena Forsberg (biathlon)
4) Annika Sörenstam (golf)
5) Kajsa Bergqvist (HJ)

That means two t&F athletes in the top five.

A number of you might wonder how Klüft could outedge Bergqvist and
others. OK - she won the ECh in Hep. She won the World Junior Ch. She
set two World JR. She was world No.1 and ranked No. 1 by TFN. But it was
a weak year, with Lewis, Barber, Raschupkina and others absent.

The answer is personality! A natural born TV personality who dances,
shows emotions, gives witty remaks and simply charms the TV audience.
(And - yes - Swedish TV boroadcasted the whole Hept. from the EurCh in
Munich).

B t w - there has been a lot of discussion on the fact that Annika
Sörenstam didn't win any major awards. It has been pointed out as
reasons that her personality is less appealing than that of the others
(also the speeway racer Tony Richardsson and the biathlete Magdalena
Forsberg are extremely positive personalities). Also - Annika mostly
competes in the USA. So there is a home bias also here... (Compare with
the discussion around Lance Armstrong).

The only other USA based Swedish athlete close to winning an award was
Detroit hockey player Nicklas Lidström, one of the four nominees in the
category "Best male athlete".

Mats Åkerlind

Gävle, Sweden

P.S. Isn't it interesting to compare the countries? Here we wouldn't
consider a baseball, basketball  or football player. That is - until a
Swede someday stars in the Super Bowl or takes the role of a Dirk
Nowitzki...

Until now, Heptathlon was a toatlly uninteresting event in Sweden. But
after Carolina Klüft... people at my work are discussion points for the
LJ and whether she can match Denise Lewis this summer! Seems we all love
a winner!

t-and-f: It's not fair...

[LOVE91397]

Listers, 

NJ is split into 4 groups (by school population), Group 1 for the smallest 
and Group 4 for the largest. In track, for example, Groups 1 & 4 compete on 
one weekend and Groups 2 & 3 compete on the following weekend. The problem 
here is that the team that competes at the later date has the advantage over 
the team that competes earlier. For example, the Gr. 1 and 4 teams had their 
relay championships on Jan. 12th, while the Gr. 2 & 3 teams traveled to 
invitationals and were able to get "another race" in before their relay meet 
on the 18th. The Gr. 1 & 4 teams had their individual state championships on 
Jan. 19th, while the Gr. 2 & 3 teams don't have their individual meet until 
Feb. 2nd !! The problem this poses is that the top 6 finishers from each 
group qualify for an all-groups championship and are seeded on time from 
their respected group. The group 2 & 3 teams have 2 extra weeks to progress 
and, in all likelyhood, will post better times than the group 1 & 4 teams 
(that they are equally compatable with). I feel that all of the groups should 
compete on the SAME weekend with the SAME meet (Groups 2 & 3 ran relays on 
1/18 while the 1& 4 groups ran individuals on the 19th). It's only fair in 
the seeding process when you compete at the same time under the same 
conditions. With the NJ season comencing on December 21st, I'm sure the group 
1 & 4 schools would've liked an extra week before their state relay meet...


Larry A. Morgan, Sr.
Elizabeth Heat TC

Re: t-and-f: It's not fair...

[Robert Kiessling]

Larry: I can tell you, based on inside knowledge, that this situation is
not one that the NJSIAA has chosen voluntarily. They and the Winter
Track Committee know the whole scenario is unfair.
But they have to deal with whatever dates Princeton gives them. Each
year those dates are less and less desirable. Years ago, we had a better
choice and the setup was State Relay Championships on the first Weekend
in February ( Two Groups Saturday, Two Groups Sunday) - State Individual
Championship Meets two weekends later, all on the same weekend ( Two
Groups Saturday, Two Groups Sunday) - and the weekend after that was the
Meet of Champions. It was great, but impossible to do now. Because of
the number of Athletes and Spectators involved, there is no other place
in the State to hold the meet. Princeton almost through out the whole
program a few years ago and Boyd Sands and to do a lot of negotiating
just to keep us in - and this is while we pay them $1100 an hour.
I am now coaching at a Group IV school and am not happy about the
situation, but I also know that the powers that be did not DO this to
us. They know that no one is happy, but unless a place an be found to
run that can also hold a couple of thousand people ( spectators and
runners) we are stuck.
One of these years Princeton is going to give us dates in December and
tell the NJSIAA to take it or leave it. Guess what, we will be having
State Meets in December. There just is no choice. The other thing is
that is if we are out of Princeton, which can happen, there will be NO
State Meets and watch as schools all over the State use that as an
excuse to cancel Winter Track.
You can complain all that you want, but what everyone needs is another
AVAILABLE Site. The 168th Street Armory is out as they are booked every
minute during the winter. And remember, it has to be available for two
weekends all day Saturday & Sunday and another weekend day for half a
day, all of this in February. It has to sit a few thousand people and
have a 200 meter track. There is no place in New Jersey that can meet
the physical requirements not to mention the dates.
In South Jersey, we run ALL of our meets in Pennsylvania. I know that
even in North Jersey, which does have number of tracks that some
conference meets are run at the Armory in New York City ( Out of State).

If you can solve all of these problems, you will be the hero in New
Jersey among the track people forever. You have no idea how many people
have tried to address your concerns every year. But if you have the
solution, we are willing to take it. The NJSIAA Committee has said that
for years. In South Jersey we have tried to solve our smaller scale
problems for years. We have no viable indoor tracks for very large scale
competitions. that is the problem. What is the answer unless someone
contacts Bill Gates to build and maintain one for us?
Bob Kiessling
New Jersey High School Track Coach

t-and-f: Freeman makes return in Alf Tupper land

[EAMONN CONDON]

The Electronic Telegraph
Monday 20 January 2003
Martin Johnson





Compared to the size of the nuggets they once used to mine here, the
Ballarat goldfields now yield barely enough to keep the local dentists in
fillings, but this old prospecting town 70 miles north-west of her adopted
city of Melbourne nonetheless seemed an appropriate venue for Cathy
Freeman's return to competitive running.

With someone, somewhere, about to take a match to Athens' Olympic torch, the
women's 400-metre gold medallist at Sydney got back to the track on Saturday
for the first time since helping Australia to a relay gold medal at the
Commonwealth Games in Manchester in August, and for the first time in her
own country for 10 months.

The combination of an upper-leg injury and her decision to stay at home to
nurse her husband through a successful rehabilitation from throat cancer has
left Freeman a long way short of race fitness, but while the quality of the
opposition here was a couple of notches down from Birchfield Harriers, she
was less concerned with blowing away the opposition as a few cobwebs.

Ballarat (pop 83,000) does not often supply more than a modest sprinkling of
mums and dads for local club meetings, but there were an estimated 3,000
people here to watch Freeman contest the 200m individual and the 4 x 400m
relay. Turning out for the Ringwood club, Freeman won the first by a
distance in a leisurely 24.7sec, and running the third leg of the relay,
turned a 15-metre deficit into a 40-metre lead at the final changeover.

While typically Australian in providing - even in outback country - a
state-of-the-art all-weather synthetic track, the venue itself was more
reminiscent of a school sports day, and you half expected the afternoon to
be launched with an egg-and-spoon race. First up was, in fact, a men's 400m
hurdles, which had to be aborted with the runners almost on their blocks
when someone realised the obstacles had been set to the girls' height.

There was the usual quota of lost-children announcements, along with several
more of the typical small-club meeting variety, such as: "Can we please have
a volunteer to rake the long-jump pit."

Freeman's presence made it a bit like one of those up-country, one-day
cricket matches England used to play on Ashes tours, when David Gower and
Ian Botham would walk out to bat from behind a hot-dog stand, and the MC
would make excitedly parochial announcements like: "And opening the bowling
from the Piggery End is Stormy Gale, hoping to put the wind up the Poms!"

This was Alf Tupper land, where the Tough of the Track would join his race
half a lap late after being up all night welding for his mean-spirited
employer, and, pausing only to finish off his fish and chips, would hurtle
over the winning line past some snooty upper-class twit with a monocle. As
with this meeting, there was no photo finish, or electronic timing - just
some bloke in a long white coat shouting: "Tupper wins!"

Freeman was the object of only modest attention as she warmed up, from a
couple of local television stations and the representative of the Ballarat
Courier. She changed in a converted equipment shed, and at the end of her
races, like every other competitor, she had to collect a ticket confirming
her time and position from a man sitting in a high chair, and report to a
small brick outbuilding to hand it in to the official race recorders.

It was a pretty hot day, with spectators having a few problems keeping the
flies off their hot pies, and only a modicum of shade away from the small
main pavilion. There was a single Aboriginal family in attendance, sitting
under a bush, but Freeman's heroine status in this country has cut through
more colour barriers in a few years than anyone else has in the rest of
Australia's 200-year-old colonisation. And, as ever, she was more exhausted
by the autograph signing sessions than her exertions on the track.

Freeman is still a couple of kilos above her racing weight of 53kg (8st
5lb), but plans to shed that by the time she begins running in a series of
eight national meetings starting in Brisbane in April, before moving to
America and Europe ahead of the World Championships in Paris in August. All
being well, she will go on beyond Athens 2004, and bring down the curtain on
her career at the Commonwealth Games in Melbourne in 2006.

Freeman said afterwards that she was pretty happy with her running, even
though a strong headwind had prevented her from going below 24sec in the
200m. "I feel fantastic, really strong. It's just a great feeling to be
healthy, and to be out running against other athletes again."

Otherwise, like most Freeman press conferences, it was mainly an exercise in
cheerful giggling, and whatever-pops-into-her-head answers that only
occasionally strayed into the same area as the original question. If she
does, as has been suggested, eventually go into politics, Australia's
equivalent of Jeremy Paxman will end up a gibbering wreck. She is too shy

t-and-f: Iraq 'tortured' athletes

[EAMONN CONDON]

The Electronic Telegraph
Monday 20 January 2003
Tom Knight




Gruesome stories of torture and killings are the subject of an International
Olympic Committee investigation into sport in Iraq.

The IOC's Ethics Commission confirmed yesterday that they were looking into
allegations that Uday Saddam Hussein, the eldest son of the Iraqi leader,
presided over a regime of terror while overseeing the country's National
Olympic Committee.

The allegations have been lodged by Indict, a London-based human rights
group, who claim the headquarters of the Iraqi Olympic Committee in Baghdad
contains a prison and torture chamber.

Ann Clwyd, the Welsh MP who is chairwoman and a founding member of Indict,
said: "Uday is a sadistic killer who personally tortures athletes and uses
the NOC as a front for smuggling and corruption. Indict has collected signed
testimony from Olympic athletes to support these accusations. Many others,
even those living in Britain, are still too scared to come forward."

Charles Forrest, the chief executive of Indict, said: "We believe 50
athletes have been killed and the atrocities are connected with Uday."

Among the allegations is that Saddam Hussein's son made a group of track
athletes crawl on newly paved asphalt while they were beaten with a cable
and ordered others to be thrown off a bridge.

Forrest added that the IOC had begun interviewing Iraqi victims now based in
the United States.

Indict, which receives three-quarters of its funding from the United States
Congress, was set up six years ago with the aim of bringing tyrants before
an international tribunal.

"Uday has always been one of our top targets," Forrest said. "We believe he
has violated at least 11 provisions of the IOC's code of ethics." The IOC
Ethics Commission was set up four years ago to monitor the behaviour of
members in the wake of the corruption scandal surrounding Salt Lake City's
bid for the 2002 Winter Olympics.

Iraq, which sent four athletes to the Sydney Games and have won only one
Olympic medal - a weightlifting bronze at the 1960 Rome Games - escaped
sanctions in 1997 when FIFA interviewed players in Baghdad over allegations
that Uday had ordered the torture of members of the national football team
after they had lost a key match.

Clwyd called the FIFA investigation "a disgraceful whitewash". She said:
"You can't expect athletes interviewed in Iraq to commit suicide by telling
the truth. The IOC must deal with these allegations in a much more serious
manner. To allow Iraq to participate in the Olympic movement is to mock all
of the Olympics' high principles."

Eamonn Condon
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: Iraq 'tortured' athletes

[Bob Duncan]

There was a recent, excellent, documentary on Saddam Hussein called "Uncle
Saddam".  Anyone interested in the craziness over there should watch this,
as it has been making the rounds on cable television in the US.  Son Uday,
the perpetrator of the athlete torture, was actually imprisoned by his own
father at one time and possibly slated for execution.  Intervention on the
part of President Hussein of Jordan may have saved him.  However, Uday is
more or less "next in line" in terms of power.

Another interesting Iraqi custom is intermarriage between second cousins and
sometimes first cousins.  Saddam's first wife was a cousin.  The familial
links are strong, as many of Saddam's top people are relatives.  Which, of
course, hasn't stopped him from enacting his own form of justice on them.
There was a case where he had two of his daughter's husbands executed.

bob

Re: t-and-f: Iraq 'tortured' athletes

[Jim Gerweck]

on 1/20/03 10:15 PM, Bob Duncan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> There was a case where he had two of his daughter's husbands executed.

Sounds like, instead of going to war, we should send a crew of TV execs to
sign up the family for next season's hit reality show. Something like a
cross between "The Osbournes" and "Meet The Parents" - and if the boyfriend
fails Papa Saddam's lie detector test - off with his head!
-- 
Jim Gerweck
Runnng Times

Re: t-and-f: Iraq 'tortured' athletes

[Bob Duncan]

Phil wrote:
> Always seems to me you can understand Saddam better if you just think of
> him as a Mafia Don, basing much of his chain of command on family and
> personal loyalty rather than merit, and ready to use whatever power needed
> to keep power.
Those are my exact feelings, too, although I can see a bit of Idi Amin in
him too.

What really amazed me in the documentary were his many palaces (some
underground) and their splendid architecture.  And while Saddam blames the
US embargos for the suffering of the people in Iraq, he continues to flaunt
his wealth.  He once asked everyone in the country to turn over all of their
gold in order to help improve the plight of his people.  Some time later, he
showed up in a carriage which was manufactured from the gold.

bob

t-and-f: Serge Bubka Jr.

[Reuben Frank]

  Maybe everybody has heard about this already, but I
found it interesting:

  Serge Bubka's son, Serge Jr., is evidently a
top-ranked junior tennis player. He lost his opening
match Monday (tomorrow) in the Australian Open
juniors.

  An interview with Serge Jr. conducted tomorrow
appears at the link below and includes some
interesting stuff about his dad and his own brief
vaulting career (and his dad's tennis career):

http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/4128239d7851f38300256cb40019bcac.html

 Roob

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