RE: t-and-f: Is anyone innocent?
Do you have a link to the quote? Ricky Original Message Follows From: "Matt Pelletier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Matt Pelletier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: t-and-f@darkwing.uoregon.edu Subject: RE: t-and-f: Is anyone innocent? Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:21:27 -0400 Lance has offered many times to have his blood frozen for future testing. ~mp From: "Martin J. Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Martin J. Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: t-and-f@darkwing.uoregon.edu, "Ricky Quintana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,t-and-f@darkwing.uoregon.edu Subject: RE: t-and-f: Is anyone innocent? Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:28:29 -0400 He didn't do it natuarlly. He got cancer and that turned him into the rider he is today. Martin J. Dixon, B. Math. (Hons), C.A., Millard Financial Consulting Inc. P.O. Box 367 96 Nelson Street Brantford, Ontario N3T 5N3 Direct Dial: (519) 759-3708 Ext. 231 Telephone: (519) 759-3511 Private Facsimile: (519) 759-8548 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site: www.millards.com [Message delivered by NotifyLink] --Original Message-- From: "Ricky Quintana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tue, August 23, 2005 12:01 PM To: t-and-f@darkwing.uoregon.edu Subject: t-and-f: Is anyone innocent? http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=ap-armstrong-doping&prov=ap&type=lgns The image that has always stuck in my mind is Lance Armstrong being caught and annihilated in a time trial by Miguel Indurain(not sure what year, but it was prior to his string of wins and his bout with cancer). Similar to what Armstrong did to Ulrich this year. I just can't believe that Armstrong could get to his status naturally after watching that time trial. I suggest anyone decrying their innocence submit a blood sample that would be frozen until more accurate testing is available. I wonder how many takers there would be. Ricky _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
RE: t-and-f: Is anyone innocent?
I believe he mentions it in one of his books. I remember reading it somewhere, but I'm not sure where. I should also mention that an ESPN analyst brought up a good point last night. Blood degenerates over time. It can't be expected to be valid for testing purposes after a long period of time. If Lance DID have his blood frozen for future tests, couldn't he take his chances that his blood will be useless when they did come up with a test for any unknown performance enhancing drugs he may be taking? When the most tested athlete in sports wants his blood frozen for future tests, he's either clean and proud or dirty and confident. ~mp From: "Ricky Quintana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], t-and-f@darkwing.uoregon.edu Subject: RE: t-and-f: Is anyone innocent? Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:38:38 + Do you have a link to the quote? Ricky Original Message Follows From: "Matt Pelletier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Matt Pelletier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: t-and-f@darkwing.uoregon.edu Subject: RE: t-and-f: Is anyone innocent? Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:21:27 -0400 Lance has offered many times to have his blood frozen for future testing. ~mp From: "Martin J. Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Martin J. Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: t-and-f@darkwing.uoregon.edu, "Ricky Quintana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,t-and-f@darkwing.uoregon.edu Subject: RE: t-and-f: Is anyone innocent? Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:28:29 -0400 He didn't do it natuarlly. He got cancer and that turned him into the rider he is today. Martin J. Dixon, B. Math. (Hons), C.A., Millard Financial Consulting Inc. P.O. Box 367 96 Nelson Street Brantford, Ontario N3T 5N3 Direct Dial: (519) 759-3708 Ext. 231 Telephone: (519) 759-3511 Private Facsimile: (519) 759-8548 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site: www.millards.com [Message delivered by NotifyLink] --Original Message-- From: "Ricky Quintana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tue, August 23, 2005 12:01 PM To: t-and-f@darkwing.uoregon.edu Subject: t-and-f: Is anyone innocent? http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=ap-armstrong-doping&prov=ap&type=lgns The image that has always stuck in my mind is Lance Armstrong being caught and annihilated in a time trial by Miguel Indurain(not sure what year, but it was prior to his string of wins and his bout with cancer). Similar to what Armstrong did to Ulrich this year. I just can't believe that Armstrong could get to his status naturally after watching that time trial. I suggest anyone decrying their innocence submit a blood sample that would be frozen until more accurate testing is available. I wonder how many takers there would be. Ricky _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
RE: t-and-f: Is anyone innocent?
"Matt Pelletier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I should also mention that an ESPN analyst brought up a good point last > night. Blood degenerates over time. It can't be expected to be valid for > testing purposes after a long period of time. If Lance DID have his blood > frozen for future tests, couldn't he take his chances that his blood will be > useless when they did come up with a test for any unknown performance > enhancing drugs he may be taking? Whether the blood degenerates or not, of course, is irrelevant. It's pretty unlikely that blood will chemically alter itself over time to form something which chemically resembles EPO enough to fool a GC-MS. Now, whether EPO will degenerate over time given the means whereby the blood was preserved is certainly a valid question. But if they found some - I guess the answer is no. Kurt Bray still around? He could handle this one a lot better than I - usually I'm preserving samples for things like Trichloro-death ;-) Phil
RE: t-and-f: Is anyone innocent?
>Kurt Bray still around? Yeah, I'm still here. It depends hugely on how the specimens are stored. In general, blood and drugs present in blood will last for many years if stored at -80 degrees C. If it is stored in the -20 C freezer compartment of an ordinary fridge, I would question the stability beyond a few months. I don't know anything about the stability characteristics of EPO specifically. Kurt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Corp.comTo: t-and-f@darkwing.uoregon.edu Sent by:cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: t-and-f: Is anyone innocent? uoregon.edu 08/24/2005 08:32 AM Please respond to Philip_Ponebshek "Matt Pelletier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I should also mention that an ESPN analyst brought up a good point last > night. Blood degenerates over time. It can't be expected to be valid for > testing purposes after a long period of time. If Lance DID have his blood > frozen for future tests, couldn't he take his chances that his blood will be > useless when they did come up with a test for any unknown performance > enhancing drugs he may be taking? Whether the blood degenerates or not, of course, is irrelevant. It's pretty unlikely that blood will chemically alter itself over time to form something which chemically resembles EPO enough to fool a GC-MS. Now, whether EPO will degenerate over time given the means whereby the blood was preserved is certainly a valid question. But if they found some - I guess the answer is no. Kurt Bray still around? He could handle this one a lot better than I - usually I'm preserving samples for things like Trichloro-death ;-) Phil
Re: t-and-f: Is anyone innocent?
"We are extremely surprised that urine samples could have been tested in 2004 and have revealed the presence of EPO," Ayotte said in an interview with /VeloNews/ on Tuesday. "EPO - in its natural state or the synthesized version - is not stable in urine, even if stored at minus 20 degrees." http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/8746.0.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kurt Bray still around? Yeah, I'm still here. It depends hugely on how the specimens are stored. In general, blood and drugs present in blood will last for many years if stored at -80 degrees C. If it is stored in the -20 C freezer compartment of an ordinary fridge, I would question the stability beyond a few months. I don't know anything about the stability characteristics of EPO specifically. Kurt
RE: t-and-f: Is anyone innocent?
I've asked that question here on the list previously (with regard to Paula) and no one's been able to find an answer. For all we know, BALCO or some similar designer lab has run tests and determined that the applicable drug traces do not remain beyond a certain point of freezing. Unless someone has shown that frozen blood samples *do* retain what is supposed to be preserved, I don't see offers to store them for the future as being all that significant. Dan --- Matt Pelletier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I should also mention that an ESPN analyst brought up a good point last > night. Blood degenerates over time. It can't be expected to be valid > for testing purposes after a long period of time. If Lance DID have his > blood frozen for future tests, couldn't he take his chances that his > blood will be useless when they did come up with a test for any unknown > performance enhancing drugs he may be taking? When the most tested > athlete in sports wants his blood frozen for future tests, he's either > clean and proud or dirty and confident. http://AbleDesign.com - Web Design & Custom Programming http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy T&F @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] <|\/ <^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax / / __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
t-and-f: 2006 Edition of Florida Relays Canceled
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA SPORTS INFORMATION Wednesday, August 24, 2005 CONTACT: CHRIS RUSHING 352-375-4683 EXT. 6121 OR MIKE VIETTI EXT. 6120 2006 EDITION OF PEPSI FLORIDA RELAYS CANCELED GAINESVILLE, Fla. - Due to ongoing and anticipated construction surrounding James G. Pressly Stadium at Percy Beard Track, the 2006 Pepsi Florida Relays have been canceled. The University of Florida is currently in the midst of a multi-phased expansion and renovation project to McKethan Stadium and the Lemerand Center, which both adjoin Percy Beard Track. The project, which began July 7, 2005, involves the expansion of McKethan Stadium, the construction of new baseball facilities and the renovation of team locker rooms in the Lemerand Center. The project is slated to be completed by the end of August in 2006. "We have to do what is best for this program," Florida women's track and field coach Tom Jones said. "We will have a large amount of construction going on at Lemerand and to put on an event of this magnitude, it would be difficult with the lack of space available. We know that this cancellation will leave a large void, especially with the high school programs that make the trip here every year for this event." The Pepsi Florida Relays began in 1939 and have been held every year since with the exception of years during World War II (1942-46). At the 62nd edition of the event in 2005, more than 3,000 athletes from more than 300 high schools and universities were set to compete before inclement weather forced the final day to be canceled. "This wasn't an easy decision," Florida men's track and field coach Mike Holloway said. "The coaching staffs and the administration felt that it was the right decision to make given the circumstances. We're looking forward to making the Florida Relays bigger and better in 2007." Typically one of the nation's largest opening meets of the outdoor track and field season, the 2006 Pepsi Florida Relays were slated to be held March 23-25. Mike Vietti Assistant Sports Information Director University of Florida Office: (352) 375-4683 ext. 6120 Cell: (352) 538-1509 Home: (352) 278-0522 Fax: (352) 375-4809 www.gatorzone.com _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
Re: t-and-f: 2006 Edition of Florida Relays Canceled
Funny that you mention remodeing/refurbishing going on at or near the UofFla track. In Feb.'74 I was a high school senior, and I "hitched a ride" with a local J.C. track team (which would probably be strictly verboten by the NCAA today) to go to Gainesville to run in an all-comers meet. They already had an all-weather surface at that time (people said it was a Chevron "test track" if I remember right), but they were in the middle of re-doing it. They had stripped off the inside 3 lanes of the previous surface, exposing the old black rubberized asphalt surface underneath. Lanes 4 and out hadn't been touched yet- those lanes still had the green colored Chevron artificial surface. The J.C. coach entered me in the 600, and since I was the only high schooler, they stuck me out in lane 6, and we had to stay in our lanes through the first curve. After that we could break toward the inside, but in doing so I had to jump down onto the lower old surface (about a two inch drop) when I moved in toward lane 3. I was a dumb high schooler and figured I might trip when making the break, especially if I was in a crowd, so I thought the best thing was to run the first turn real hard to make sure I was well clear before breaking in and I could concentrate on the transition from one surface to another without worrying about tangling people's legs. That was probably a dumb strategy as far as the shallow rationale behind it and ignored the fact the fact that all the competitors were a year or two older than me and unlikely to go out any slower than me, but what actually happened was, after the first curve when we broke for the inside it put me out front so far that the JC'ers thought 'stupid high school kid' and let me go, and in the final straightaway only one guy caught me, so I finished 2nd. The J.C. coach whose team I hitched a ride with soon thereafter offered me a full ride (after I beat his best 400m runner on a relay anchor), but it fell through when the J.C. dropped their track program before I could graduate that spring. Anyway, that was my adventure racing on the track in Gainesville in the middle of a refurbishment. Obviously a big relays meet couldn't be contested that way. Three years later I got my lifetime P.R. on that same track (which was in nice shape at that time). I only ran there those two times. That race in February, by the way, gave me the confidence that I could go out from the gun in a race (an 800 only being a silly 200 meters longer!) and I was strong enough to gut it out. My PR dropped tremendously and I found myself dominating the HS 800 in my area of the state. [actually 880y at that time] It's a strategy that works well, but many middle distance racers- even at the elite level- are scared to death of doing it as a day in and day out race strategy. Randy -Original Message- From: Ricky Quintana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Aug 24, 2005 3:00 PM To: t-and-f@darkwing.uoregon.edu Subject: t-and-f: 2006 Edition of Florida Relays Canceled FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA SPORTS INFORMATION Wednesday, August 24, 2005 CONTACT: CHRIS RUSHING 352-375-4683 EXT. 6121 OR MIKE VIETTI EXT. 6120 2006 EDITION OF PEPSI FLORIDA RELAYS CANCELED GAINESVILLE, Fla. - Due to ongoing and anticipated construction surrounding James G. Pressly Stadium at Percy Beard Track, the 2006 Pepsi Florida Relays have been canceled. The University of Florida is currently in the midst of a multi-phased expansion and renovation project to McKethan Stadium and the Lemerand Center, which both adjoin Percy Beard Track. The project, which began July 7, 2005, involves the expansion of McKethan Stadium, the construction of new baseball facilities and the renovation of team locker rooms in the Lemerand Center. The project is slated to be completed by the end of August in 2006. "We have to do what is best for this program," Florida women's track and field coach Tom Jones said. "We will have a large amount of construction going on at Lemerand and to put on an event of this magnitude, it would be difficult with the lack of space available. We know that this cancellation will leave a large void, especially with the high school programs that make the trip here every year for this event." The Pepsi Florida Relays began in 1939 and have been held every year since with the exception of years during World War II (1942-46). At the 62nd edition of the event in 2005, more than 3,000 athletes from more than 300 high schools and universities were set to compete before inclement weather forced the final day to be canceled. "This wasn't an easy decision," Florida men's track and field coach Mike Holloway said. "The coaching staffs and the administration felt that it was the right decision to make given the circumstances. We're looking forward to making the Florida Relays bigger and better in 2007." Typically one of the nation's largest opening meets of the outdoor track and field season, the 200
