RE: t-and-f: St. John's
Hey everyone, JMHO, but it might be time to take this discussion off the list. Fred Finke List moderator -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Wayne T. Armbrust Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 11:41 PM To: track list Subject: Re: t-and-f: St. John's Ah, another left-wing cliché, that conservatives have something in common with fascists. Conservatives don't like either leftists or fascists since both are totalitarian and deny people freedom in order to impose an ideological agenda. On the other hand, I don't just talk about equal opportunities in sports for both genders, I coached females on a volunteer basis at least as early as 1969, when T&FN didn't act like there was such a thing as women's or girl's track. We are in sad shape here in the USA when a person is branded a bigot like Thurmond was back in '48 when he was a Democrat just for advocating equal treatment for all. ghill wrote: > Excuse me? Did I say anything about "correction"? Or suggest "payback" of > any kind? I said the current system sucked (and needs fixing). I said the > past system sucked (and needed fixing). > > I then said that of the two sucky systems, I preferred the current one. > > gh > > ps--but for sake of argument, if I HAD been saying "current discrimination > correct past discrimination" how the heck would that be "leftist" logic? I > could swear Ed Grant called anybody who was pro Title IX was a fascist. You > boys better decide which side of which war you're fighting on. > > Wait, I get it! Wayne's saying track would be better off if Strom Thurmond > had won in'48! :-) > > > From: "Wayne T. Armbrust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Organization: Computomarx > > Reply-To: "Wayne T. Armbrust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 17:32:39 -0600 > > To: track list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: t-and-f: St. John's > > > > No, I'm sorry. I can't go along with this typical leftist logic (an oxymoron > > if > > there ever was one). There is no way that discrimination against a group of > > people who never discriminated against anyone can correct past discrimination > > against another group. > > > > ghill wrote: > > > >> Nasty-nasty situation. While there's no doubt the current climate is an > >> abomination and is punishing innocents, I'd take this setup anyday over the > >> way it was pre-Title IX when women were pointedly excluded from collegiate > >> athletic endeavours altogether. > >> > >> The problems faced by today's men are a mere piffle compared to what women > >> had to endure then. > >> > >> gh > >> > >>> From: "Ed Grant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> Reply-To: "Ed Grant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:30:52 -0800 > >>> To: "track net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> Subject: t-and-f: St. John's > >>> > >>> Netters: > >>> > >>> Having been occupied the past week or so with a rare visit from the > >>> Irish side of our widespread family, I have not had the time to comment on > >>> the deplorable decision of St. John's to drop its men's track and field > >>> program. I am sure that what follows will more than make up for the delay > >>> (as well as probably infuriate some memners of our list) > >>> > >>> > >>> Let's state it as plainly as possible. St. John's has been forced > >>> into this decision by a fascistic organization which claims as its purpose > >>> the elevation of women in athletics. The Women Sports Foundation and its > >>> leaders would have been right at home in Nazi Germany or communist Russia. > >>> It operates from the same principles as those totalitarian governments did; > >>> among other thibngs it is a master of the big lie. > >>> > >>> I have watched some of its leaders defend their policies on various > >>> TV programs recently and have winced at their distortion of what is > >>> happening in college athletics today. I have also winced at the cowardice of > >>> the hosts of these programs in failing to properly challenged these > >>> distortions. > >>> > >>> For example, let us look at the mathematical monstrosity which has > >>> compelled St. John's to drop men;s track a
t-and-f: #2- In dire need of help!
Hi.Fred Finke here.
First thanks to all that have helped so far. Due to the aid of MANY
people, I have got the list down to a manageable number. I would like to
extend a blanket thank you for the help so far.
Couple of Notes:
1. I am aware of several of the schools that some of the coaches are
located, but unfortunately they do not have their e-mail addresses/phone
numbers listed in the school directory
2. The USATF directory although somewhat helpful, was not of much help
since many of these coaches have retired. My last resort will be to use a
1987 directory with phone numbers (can you believe it, no e-mail addresses!)
that I have and hope that some of them still live in the same place.
2. Many of these people were coaches in the 70's and 80's and have since
retired so the schools are unable to help, so I am asking again.
Once again, the reason I am looking for contact info is to verify which USA
international staffs they were a part of.
Fred Finke
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ArrazolaJoe
Baeta Al
Baxter Bob
Bazil Ron
BestFred
Bibbs Jim
Bonanno Bert
ChewJohn
Ciochetti Wally
Clark Max
Covert John
CunliffeErnie
Daniel Ron
Davis John
Dellinger Bill
DouglassBruce
Duncan Clyde
Dwyer Fred
Ede Richard
FryeCurtisSouth Carolina
Galford Chuck
Gibble Henry
Gibson Ken
Hartman Duane
Hartzog Lew
HillDick
HuntErv
Ingram Dean
Jansen Leonard
Jolly Sonny
Kitchen Bob
Kochel Guy
Kring Ray
Lloyd Ted,
MacDonald Bruce
Manley Mike
Marra Harry
Matsuda Ken
McKenzieJohn
McLaughlin Ted
Miller Steve
Mondschein Irv
Moore Oscar
MoultrieBill
NewhouseFred
Newland Bob
Newton Joe
Pagani Tony
Parent Paul
Parks Bob
Roberts Dick
RobinsonClarence
Rogers RussOhio STate
Rogers Joe
Santos Jim
Sefcik Glen
Shannon Ken
Sharp Cliff, Harding (early 70's?)
SobyFrank
TeelBob
Tellez Tom
Terrill Jim
Walker Leroy
Walker Dave East Tennessee State
Wilson Herm
t-and-f: In dire need of help!
Hi. Fred Finke here. PLEASE E-MAIL ME DIRECT THE REQUESTED INFO TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am currently working on a project for USATF regarding a database of past international staff/coach memebers and am looking For contact information (preferably e-mail address for the following people) for the following individuals, all who have been members of international coaching staffs. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. ArrazolaJoe Baeta Al Bartold Steve Baxter Bob Bazil Ron BestFred Bibbs Jim Bonanno Bert Bozeman Mike Brown Dick Buehler Al CantelloAl Chaplin John Chernok Roy ChewJohn Ciochetti Wally Clark Max Clark Bill Covert John Covey Bob Craig Charles CunliffeErnie Daniel Ron Davis John Dellinger Bill DouglassBruce DubaRon Duncan Clyde Dwyer Fred Ede Richard Farmer Dixon Foster Kermit Fraley Bob Franson Terry FryeCurtis Galford Chuck Gibble Henry Gibson Ken Goodspeed Joe Gorman Ed GossMarshall Greene Charles Griak Roy Groves Harry Gulden Art HartClyde Hartman Duane Hartzog Lew HillDick Hodge Bob HuntErv HuntsmanStan Ingram Dean JacobspnHoward Jansen Leonard Johnson Rob Jolly Sonny Jones Tom Kelley Creigh Kitchen Bob Knight John Knudson Lyle Kochel Guy Kring Ray LangJoe LevyEd Lloyd Ted LongTerry MacDonald Bruce Manley Mike Marra Harry Martin David Matsuda Ken McKenzieJohn McLaughlin Ted Miller Steve Mondschein Irv Moore Oscar MoultrieBill NaclerioTony NewhouseFred Newland Bob Newton Joe Pagani Tony Parent Paul Parks Bob Piane Joe RandolphJohn RichburgOrin RicoHelio Roberts Dick RobinsonClarence Rogers Russ Rogers Joe Rosen Mel RushBob Samara Fred Santos Jim SchmertzHoward Sefcik Glen Shannon Ken Sharp Cliff Silvester Jay Simmons Steve Sloan Rick SobyFrank TeelBob Tellez Tom Terrill Jim Vigil Joe Walker Leroy Walker Dave Wallin Carl Westerfield Gary Wieneke Gary WilliamsGeorge Wilson Herm WincklerGary Wright Stan *** Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\**
RE: t-and-f: Stanford=5 Jr's, 2 Sophs, 1 Fr.
Here you go Cory: UTEP 1981 - 17 Drake 1944- 25 Arkansas 1993 - 31 Arkansas 1992 - 42 Stanford 1996 - 46 Those are the ones under 47 points. Fred *** Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ *** -Original Message- From: Beard, Cory [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 11:24 PM To: Fred Finke; T-and-F list Subject: RE: t-and-f: Stanford=5 Jr's, 2 Sophs, 1 Fr. How long has it been since 47 or better has been scored? Cory Beard > -Original Message----- > From: Fred Finke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:35 PM > To: T-and-F list > Subject: t-and-f: Stanford=5 Jr's, 2 Sophs, 1 Fr. > > > Think they could be any good next year on the men's side? > > 47 points with 5 Jr's, 2 Sophs, and 1 Fr. > > WOW! > > Fred Finke > > *** > Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator > --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 > -- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- \/\ GREAT AMERICAN XC MEET DIRECTOR > *** > >
t-and-f: Stanford=5 Jr's, 2 Sophs, 1 Fr.
Think they could be any good next year on the men's side? 47 points with 5 Jr's, 2 Sophs, and 1 Fr. WOW! Fred Finke *** Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ GREAT AMERICAN XC MEET DIRECTOR ***
RE: t-and-f: NCAA Div 1 prediction
I blew that one. Actually it was Western State at CU Shootout (WS had 9 in before CU #5). I saw NA at Great American where they scored 26 over a nationally ranked field. Forgive me, it has been a long season. Fred --- Fred Finke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I saw N. Arizona at the Colorado Shootout. I think > you may be wrong about > them being overrated. > > Fred > > *** > Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator >--- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, > 1998 >-- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- \/\ > *** > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Todd Harbron > Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 8:03 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: t-and-f: NCAA Div 1 prediction > > > Predicted men's results: > 1. Stanford > 2. Arkansas > 3. Colorado > 4. Oregon > 5. Wisconsin > > Stanford will win based on 3-5 runner depth, and > displaced runners. > Colorado > was obviously holding back at the regionals, so N. > Arizona is overrated. > Oregon raced sparingly, and will surprise. > > 1. Boaz (don't dare try to spell last name) > 2. Torres > 3. Kimani > 4. Robison > 5. Craigg > > Should be an excited race. Sorry I am going to miss > it. > > = ***Fred Finke, LDR men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_[EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ Coach-net, Helping the High School Athlete --- \ visit me at: http://www.coachnet.net *** __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
RE: t-and-f: NCAA Div 1 prediction
I saw N. Arizona at the Colorado Shootout. I think you may be wrong about them being overrated. Fred *** Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Todd Harbron Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 8:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: NCAA Div 1 prediction Predicted men's results: 1. Stanford 2. Arkansas 3. Colorado 4. Oregon 5. Wisconsin Stanford will win based on 3-5 runner depth, and displaced runners. Colorado was obviously holding back at the regionals, so N. Arizona is overrated. Oregon raced sparingly, and will surprise. 1. Boaz (don't dare try to spell last name) 2. Torres 3. Kimani 4. Robison 5. Craigg Should be an excited race. Sorry I am going to miss it.
t-and-f: Meet results for the FHSU Tiger Invite?
Looking for a website with the results of the FT. Hayes Tiger invitational. They are not posted on the school website. Fred *** Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ GREAT AMERICAN XC MEET DIRECTOR ***
RE: t-and-f: lassiter's trip
Hi. Fred Finke Here. I hate to point this out, but I believe that according to USATF rules, if a person earns a spot, they have first priority and first right of refusal unless they violate a "morality" (or something to that effect) clause. A person (and I am NOT saying that Seneca is, because I have met him and he is a good guy) can be a complete jerk, but our system does not allow someone to be DQ's simply because we do not like them or what they do. Do I like it, NO!, but as Brian pointed out, just think about the athletes that show up at the Oly's or others, out of shape and denying someone else a real shot. Also, some events have some real unusual personalities. LOL.. I won't go into specifics, but if you have ever been part of a trip, there are some REAL quirky people from a distance runners perspective. Where do we start drawing lines in the sand? Fred ******* Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brian & Maureen McLaughlin Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 11:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: lassiter's trip > > as in, he just killed his chances ever to be on a U.S. team again. At > > least > > one that involves team scoring. I agree it's abominable what he has done, just as so many who often go to big events(Oly,WC ,WXCC,select team races) injured or out of shape simply because they made the team and wanted the trip. This is different... Brian
t-and-f: Great American XC update 9-12
Hi. Fred Finke here.
The Great American is beginning to look like it could be a nice jog
through the countryside. :)
Here are the currently confirmed entries for the Great American Cross
Country meet in Charlotte, NC on October 28th:
Ranked teams (Ranking by the recognized bodies):
College Women: # 1 BYU, # 2 Georgetown, # 3 NC State, # 9 Arkansas, # 11
Duke, # 13 Northern Arizona, # 16 Virginia, # 18 Colorado State, # 29 James
Madison
College Men: # 5 Northern Arizona, # 7 NC State, # 9 Georgetown, # 16
Colorado State, # 16 William and Mary, # 20 Duke, # 24 Butler
High School teams (National rankings according to Marc Bloom and Harrier)
High School Girls: #1, #3, #5, #7, #10, #13, #14, #16, #21 & #25
High School Boys: #1, #2, #3, #5, #7, #9, #12, #16, #17, #19, #20, #22, &
#24
Hope to see some of you there (but DON'T expect me to stop and talk!) :)
Fred Finke
Great American Meet Director
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RE: t-and-f: Interesting Tidbit from the IOC
Tom, I agree totally (I did grow up in NY and ran my HS state meet in Buffalo in the Snow!). However, yours and my view do not coincide with that of the IOC. Xc runners would touch the ground. Fred -Original Message- From: Tom Derderian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 7:23 PM To: Fred Finke; Shawn Devereaux; ghill; track list Subject: Re: t-and-f: Interesting Tidbit from the IOC I know Fred that you live in Florida, but you can run a cross-country race entirely on snow and ice. Once I went to compete in a cross-country ski race but it had rained the night before then froze. The director changed it into a running race over the same course. My shoes never touched ground. Tom Derderian - Original Message - From: "Fred Finke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Shawn Devereaux" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "ghill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "track list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 4:04 AM Subject: RE: t-and-f: Interesting Tidbit from the IOC > Actually I investigated getting XC as an olympic event 4 years and even got > a response from the IOC. The reason that it will NEVER be possible (as I > was told) is that all winter sports must take place on snow or ice. > > > *** > Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator >--- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 >-- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- \/\ > *** > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Shawn Devereaux > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 5:47 PM > To: ghill; track list > Subject: Re: t-and-f: Interesting Tidbit from the IOC > > > how about indoor track at the winter olympics? > > > --- ghill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Ed and Dana Parrot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Reply-To: Ed and Dana Parrot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:19:12 -0700 > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: t-and-f: Interesting Tidbit from the IOC > > > > > > X/C should be added to the winter Olympics, absolutely. Not sure why > > there > > > hasn't been more of a push for this. Nice simple 12K and 4K distance > > for > > > both men and women with team medals only but with qualification only > > by the > > > team the same way some other team sports qualify. Have the worlds > > after the > > > Olympics the same way that I believe several other sports do.>> > > > > Basketball should also move to Winter to ease the crowding of Summer > > (and > > make Winter even more popular). Unfortuately, the IOC retains its caveat > > that all Winter sports must be conducted on frozen water. This was their > > "recent" response to basketball suggestions. > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > >
RE: t-and-f: Interesting Tidbit from the IOC
Actually I investigated getting XC as an olympic event 4 years and even got a response from the IOC. The reason that it will NEVER be possible (as I was told) is that all winter sports must take place on snow or ice. *** Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Shawn Devereaux Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 5:47 PM To: ghill; track list Subject: Re: t-and-f: Interesting Tidbit from the IOC how about indoor track at the winter olympics? --- ghill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > From: Ed and Dana Parrot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: Ed and Dana Parrot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:19:12 -0700 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: t-and-f: Interesting Tidbit from the IOC > > > > X/C should be added to the winter Olympics, absolutely. Not sure why > there > > hasn't been more of a push for this. Nice simple 12K and 4K distance > for > > both men and women with team medals only but with qualification only > by the > > team the same way some other team sports qualify. Have the worlds > after the > > Olympics the same way that I believe several other sports do.>> > > Basketball should also move to Winter to ease the crowding of Summer > (and > make Winter even more popular). Unfortuately, the IOC retains its caveat > that all Winter sports must be conducted on frozen water. This was their > "recent" response to basketball suggestions. > __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com
t-and-f: Where is my cut?
"His Nike contract is for six years, taking him through the 2008 Olympics.
Although Webb, Nike and agent Ray Flynn declined to provide terms, the deal
is believed to include a $250,000 annual salary plus incentives, college
costs and a $25,000 salary for Raczko."
Hey, I want to protest! I was the negotiator of that contract! About two
months ago I argued that he was probably getting a 4 year contract worth a
Mill, college costs, incentives and a stipend for his coach (Hey where are
you doubters now?). That contract looks a lot like that prognostication.
Ray, where is my share!
;)
Malmo, I believe you doubted me and hurt my feelings. :(
Fred
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/summer/2002-08-15-webb-focus_x.htm
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RE: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"
Hi. Fred Finke Here. Actually I was not talking about money as everyone appears to be thinking. I was strictly referring to the fact that, although I would never recommend it to any HS athlete in any sport, we do not know the specifics of the entire move. Maybe, just maybe, he is doing what he and his parents think is best. Maybe he is really doing the best thing: Striking while the iron is hot. Suppose (and if Webb took anything less, I would be surprised and disappointed) he gets: a. -1 million dollar signing bonus (I would guess that is conservative (that's 50K a year for life invested)) b. -Guaranteed 4 year school scholarship of his choice (NO College guarantees that, and I would bet ANYTHING that was part of the deal) c. -Coaching that includes the guy that got him 3:53 (and you can be sure that he will have access to other coaches as necessary) d. -One of the best (if not THE best) manager in the game as his agent (that can use the leverage of his other athletes to get Webb into races). e. -The ability to pick and schedule ALL of his races (which I doubt would just include 1500/mile races) around the worlds schedule instead of just the collegiate schedule. f. -Be surrounded by the support group that has worked so far (His HS Coach, parents, girlfriend(?), etc) g. -Be in a training group of HIS choice. h. -Still race all the NCAA (XC, Indoors, Outdoors) races he wants (on his schedule, as an open athlete) except for the NCAA championships. (What meet would not want him in their race as a draw?) What could ANY college program do to top that set-up? And last but not least, I find it interesting (at least it appears to me) that the common perception is that the progression of coaching excellence is as follows:, club youth coaches, HS coaches, college coaches, elite coaches, each having better coaches than the one before it. I still remember Radzko (His HS coach, sp?) getting hammered during Webb's' junior year when he had Webb pass on a race or two (I think it was national scholastic) and then having Webb in some relays instead of open events (Penn relays?). As we all know, there are rotten apples at ALL levels and there is excellence at ALL levels. We may not want to sell Radzko short. In the final analysis, it comes down (IMHO) to what the athlete feels is best for his success and his future. Obviously, he would have gotten good coaching and racing experiences at Michigan, but who is to say that he did not get an even BETTER situation? Fred PS-On the other hand, how about the experts that were screaming Ritzenheim that was "overraced" in HS. Seems to me he is doing pretty well. (BTW, how many of you experts knew that Ritz negative split almost EVERY 2K lap of the 12K at the world XC Championships?) ******* Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ Visit me at: www.Coachnet.net *** -Original Message- From: Mike Prizy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 2:51 AM To: Fred Finke Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro" But, I believe Kobe played under 15 minutes per game his first year with the Lakers. We'll never know, but would he have been better prepared for the NBA if he had played two years of college like some other kid named Mike? Also, Tiger was one of the best in the world, and he and Kobe got multi million dollar contracts. Webb's best time ranked him as the 78th??? 1500m guy. He'll probably reach that sub-3:30 in the next few years. But why take the sink-or-swim approach when a university with a coach with proven credentials was willing to pay for his training and travel to competition, and also pick up the tab for his education? I think one more year of college running would have done wonders for his development - above as well as below his shoulders. Two years of college seemed to work well for Carl Lewis. Fred Finke wrote: > Just curious, But does the name Kobe Bryant come to anyone's mind? (He did > it straight out of HS! He did the same thing (yeah, what a stupid move. ;) > > JMHO, But Scott Radzko got Webb to 3:53. Who is to say Webb will not get > better? Hey, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. > > On the other hand, I consider Webb an exception and would not recommend it > to any other athletes. > > *** > Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator >--- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 >-- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- \/\ Visit me at: www.Coachnet.net > **
RE: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"
Just curious, But does the name Kobe Bryant come to anyone's mind? (He did
it straight out of HS! He did the same thing (yeah, what a stupid move. ;)
JMHO, But Scott Radzko got Webb to 3:53. Who is to say Webb will not get
better? Hey, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
On the other hand, I consider Webb an exception and would not recommend it
to any other athletes.
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:35 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"
first of all, "going pro" is probably misleading- I doubt
Webb is doing it for the money he could realistically expect
in the next year or two.
Second,
Would anybody have said to Tiger Woods that he needed to
stay at Stanford through a full four-year ride?
Sure there's a difference- Woods had already won everything in sight.
But if he'd stayed at Stanford we'd probably have been deprived
of that 'rookie year' 13-stroke win at the Masters (or thereabouts).
Hindsight is always perfect- he had no way of being certain
he'd be hugely successful when he made the decision to break
with the NCAA scene- there was a risk involved. If he'd been
unsuccessful the naysayers would be harping about what a bad
idea it is to leave college.
You want a better example directly from our own sport-in fact a
middle-distance racing example?
Who fared better- Johnny Gray getting out of NCAA competition at
the start, or Michael Granville slugging it out over four years
and getting nowhere?
Sure there are examples of success and failure both ways-
but the Gray / Granville comparison is pretty startling.
We'll never know if Gray would have got down to 1:42 and a very
long successful career if he'd stayed in college, but it is clear
that NOT going to college certainly didn't seem to hurt his progress!
So let's give Webb a break, and see if he can follow the Johnny
Gray model and become a medal contender at any competition in
the world. I look forward to observing from the stands (and the
satellite TV dish).
RT
RE: t-and-f: Mike Holloway- New UF Head Track Coach
And maybe they SHOULD be looking for jobs. Imagine it was big business in
the same scenario: A big boss is looking down and sees the assistant of a
department head is bringing in the big customers and satisfying the
customers. Do they praise the department head and risk losing the "money
maker"? They are not stupid, even if the department head hired the person,
the big cheese will keep the one making the money for the company. That is
the real world.
BTW, I did not mean to have it interpreted it was because Holloway's
athletes scored the most points, it was because of the respect that the
athletes (and the coaches in the state of Florida) have for Mike.
Fred Finke
PS - Is it my imagination or am I starting to sound like malmo?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Wayne T. Armbrust
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 11:21 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Mike Holloway- New UF Head Track Coach
Still not very convincing. I agree with Fred concerning everything he said
about
Mike. Mike is a great coach. Still, you don't fire the head of staff just
because
one staff member's athletes score most of the points. If that were the case
I
could think of a lot of head coaches who would be looking for jobs.
Fred Finke wrote:
> Hi. Fred Finke here.
> Without getting into any long, negative discussions (you can
always find
> something to say bad about anybody if you look hard enough), you can
> probably assume that it may not be what Doug did NOT do so much as what
Mike
> DID do. Keep in mind he was the sprint coach and aside from Moise Joseph
in
> the 800 (questionable whether a sprint or distance race), where did the
team
> points come from? The sprints over the last years. Holloway is the
sprint
> coach, period. As a State of Florida resident, I have seen Mike a LOT.
He
> is good, VERY GOOD, as a coach. Do not be fooled into thinking that he is
> only a sprint coach and he cannot coach distances. I remember when he was
a
> HS coach 9 years ago at Buchholz HS and he DOMINATED the state in XC and
his
> teams were nationally ranked.
>
> In short, IMHO, Doug did not get fired, Mike got hired. I have had
athletes
> run track at Florida and they have nothing but HIGH praise for Mike.
> Ironically I even had a distance runner or two that wished they had run
for
> Holloway. When you have that kind of respect from athletes, he did not
get
> the job, he EARNED the job.
>
> I have not been a big gator track fan, but IMHO, Florida made a good move
> here. Most HS coaches in Florida remember Mike from his HS days, and
REALLY
> respect him. You can count on that be a BIG recruiting advantage in the
> state of Florida for the gators (although as we all know, there is not
much
> talent in the sunshine state in track. ;) )
>
> Good luck to both Mike and Doug.
>
> Fred
>
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RE: t-and-f: Mike Holloway- New UF Head Track Coach
Hi. Fred Finke here. Without getting into any long, negative discussions (you can always find something to say bad about anybody if you look hard enough), you can probably assume that it may not be what Doug did NOT do so much as what Mike DID do. Keep in mind he was the sprint coach and aside from Moise Joseph in the 800 (questionable whether a sprint or distance race), where did the team points come from? The sprints over the last years. Holloway is the sprint coach, period. As a State of Florida resident, I have seen Mike a LOT. He is good, VERY GOOD, as a coach. Do not be fooled into thinking that he is only a sprint coach and he cannot coach distances. I remember when he was a HS coach 9 years ago at Buchholz HS and he DOMINATED the state in XC and his teams were nationally ranked. In short, IMHO, Doug did not get fired, Mike got hired. I have had athletes run track at Florida and they have nothing but HIGH praise for Mike. Ironically I even had a distance runner or two that wished they had run for Holloway. When you have that kind of respect from athletes, he did not get the job, he EARNED the job. I have not been a big gator track fan, but IMHO, Florida made a good move here. Most HS coaches in Florida remember Mike from his HS days, and REALLY respect him. You can count on that be a BIG recruiting advantage in the state of Florida for the gators (although as we all know, there is not much talent in the sunshine state in track. ;) ) Good luck to both Mike and Doug. Fred *** Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ Visit me at: www.Coachnet.net *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Wayne T. Armbrust Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Mike Holloway- New UF Head Track Coach Netters, First of all, I wish to congratulate Mike Holloway on his new position. He is a fine coach and a fine person and I am sure he will continue to do a great job at Florida. I have known him since he was an outstanding prep hurdler in Columbus in the early 80s and I was the coach of the Ohio Track Club. That being said, I wonder what the real reason my friend Doug Brown was canned. Most of the time you don't fire someone who was third in the toughest conference in the country and fourth in the NCAA. ricardo quintana wrote: > Mike Holloway New Head Track and Field Coach at UF > > > Brown spent seven seasons in Gainesville as the head coach of the Gators, > leading this years team to a third-place finish at the SEC Outdoor > Championships and tying for fourth at the NCAA outdoor meet, the Gators > second trophy-winning campaign since 1992. During the indoor season, UF was > fifth at the Southeastern Conference Indoor Championships and 34th at the > NCAA Indoor Championships. Last year, the Gators were second at the SEC > Outdoor Championships, marking the fourth time in his career at Florida the > team achieved runner-up status. > > With Brown as the head coach, 34 different Gators earned 79 All-America > awards and 17 athletes won 21 SEC Championships. Also, two individuals and > one relay team have won NCAA Championships as Gators with Brown at the helm. -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
t-and-f: Babes in the distances!
Am I the only one that noticed the youth in the men's distance races? Dawn
of a new running boom?
800 - 1 sr in top 9, and 4 freshmen
1500 - 1 sr in top 8, and top 4 frosh/soph
5000 - 2 srs in top 10 (7th and 8th)
1 - 3 srs in top 8 (2-6-8)
Fred
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RE: t-and-f: Jennings craps out
I hate to point this out, but didn't they say many of the same things about
Prefontaine?
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-Original Message-
From: Michael J. Roth
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; T&F Listserve
Sent: 5/30/02 8:39 PM
Subject: t-and-f: Jennings craps out
Like i've said many times about Gabe, he should shut up, get a normal
hair cut, shut up,
shut up, train better, shut up, race smarter, shut up, actually beat
people, or just shut
up!
MJR
RE: t-and-f: Montana State Meet results
The National rules are in effect IF THERE ARE NO STATE RULES THAT SUPERCEDE THE NATIONAL RULES. Example, in Florida at the state championships in Palm Beach County (I thought I would give you a set up for a counting joke), the athletes were allowed a maximum of 5 events of which no more than 3 could be running events. BTW, the event rules goes for the entire track season. Florida is a member of the National Association. Fred *** Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ Visit me at: www.Coachnet.net *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Beattie Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 1:01 AM To: track and field list; Tony Banovich Subject: Re: t-and-f: Montana State Meet results Hmmm... Montana must not belong to the National Federation, which stipulates in its rule book that a high school athlete can compete in no more than 4 events in a meet. I would think with this girl having a hand in racking up 70 points in the state meet (did Conrad win the championship?) a half way savvy coach from another team might file a protest! *John Beattie* [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Tony Banovich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jack Shepard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "John Dye" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Mike Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "track and field list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 6:48 PM Subject: t-and-f: Montana State Meet results > Following are the highlights from the State H.S. meets May 24th and 25th in > Montana. State AA and C (largest and smallest schools in Butte - elevation > 5,600' +-), A & B in Missoula (elev. = 3,200 +-). > Okay now, get ready for this. As outstanding as Heidi Lane ran, this girl > may have stolen the show. Can anyone say heptathlete. > Lonnie Perkins. Conrad. Day 1 - LJ @ 16-11 1/2. Day 2 - 100 @ 12.47, 200 > @ 25.40, 400 @ 55.99 (new state record), HJ @ 5-4, 400 relay @ 50.45, 1600 > relay @ 4:05.49. All 1st places. That's right, 5 individual golds and 2 > relay golds, with 6 of the 7 on the 2nd day of competition. > > > Class C: > > And, if it hadn't been for Perkins, this girl would have shone very, very > brightly. > Cody Halsey. Harlowtown. 100 @13.13, 200 @26.39, 400 @ 59.48, 800 @ > 2:20.34, 400 relay @ 57.46, 1600 relay @ 4:10.36. 4 individual golds and 2 > relay golds. >
t-and-f: Drossin New American Record?
Isn't that a new american record for Drossin? It seems I remember off the
top of my head that it was around 31:20 by Jennings in the '92 Olympics.
Fred Finke
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hanks, Jeffrey S
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 3:59 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: t-and-f: Need women's 10K results from Stanford ASAP
Here you go:
Women's Kim McDonald Memorial 10,000m Results
Event: #16 - W 10K
As of May 3, 2002 at 10:15:59 PM
Key: Place, Heat, Name, Mark, Wind
11Yoko Shibui, Mitsui Sumitomo30:48.89
21Deena Drossin, Asics30:50.32
31Jen Rhines, Adidas 31:41.16
41Marie Davenport, New Balance31:59.29
51Nicole Jefferson, Nike 32:12.93
61Kim Fitchen, Nike 32:32.31
71Rachel Sauder, New Balance 32:36.91
81Sarah Toland, Nike 33:17.35
91Sarah Hann, New Balance 33:21.90
10 1Stacia Best, Illinois St34:08.22
11 1Lauren Burauski, James Madison 34:18.45
12 1Melissa Correa, Track West 34:27.38
13 1Heather Anderson, Mountain West TC 34:27.91
14 1Kara Newton, Baylor 34:28.61
15 1Kristen Ogden, Brigham Young34:32.28
16 1Kristen Koppes, Impala Racing 35:03.04
1Heather Tanner, Nike Farm Team DNF
1Tera Moody, ColoradoDNF
1Liz Reusser, Wisconsin DNF
1Charlotte Sanderson, Tulsa DNF
1Amy Bair, Brigham Young DNF
1Lyudmila Vasilyeva, Russia DNS
1Courtney Babcock, Mountain West TC DNS
1Jessie Klindschi, Brigham Young DNS
Jeff
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 10:34 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: t-and-f: Need women's 10K results from Stanford ASAP
Y ask:
I have the men's results but not the women's from the 10,000 at Stanford.
Need it for my track roundup ASAP. Thanks to anyone.
ken stone
RE: t-and-f: RE: PV & Coaching
Hi. Fred Finke Here.
Although I sympathize greatly with Harry and the rest of the Penn team, I
fail to see how this unfortunate occurrence has degenerated and turned this
list into a HS coach bashing situation. Please remember that this was an
accomplished collegiate athlete that was obviously well coached, both in HS
and in college. MANY HS coaches are well trained and experienced. I would
venture to say that if any school has an accomplished vault program, more
than likely the athletes are coached by an experienced coach or former
vaulter, or at the very least part of a vault club that specializes in the
vault. Most of the time (at least in Florida), the better vaulters are
coached more through a club program or a VERY experienced coach at the
school. I cannot thing of a school that has a 14'(average) vaulter with a
beginner coaching them. JMHO.
Fred
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Prizy
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 4:57 PM
To: Michael J. Roth
Cc: T&F Listserve
Subject: Re: t-and-f: RE: PV & Coaching
A good example of how little thought or concern goes toward certification -
and how our U.S. legal
system can also work against good common sense - in Illinois last season,
the Illinois High School
Association caved in on a lawsuit threat from the family of a female T&F
athlete and added girls PV
AFTER the season started. While there are many male coaches, still, a vast
majority of them never
coached the PV. Luckily, most of the girls that came out were gymnast and
knew how to fall like
cats.
However, the state champ - Elizabeth Boyle, Winnetka, Ill. (New Trier
H.S.) - did go 12-6 and was
only a junior, but received a lot of coaching from her uncle who is an
accomplished boys coach at
another Illinois h.s.
"Michael J. Roth" wrote:
> Trey
>
> Sadly HS coaches certification has nothing to do with the individual
> sports they coach. They take a few courses on 1st aid & general
> coaching. Priority always goes to a teacher in the district, which is
> mandated by their union contracts. Good (certified) coaches continually
> get screwed out of jobs because some teacher wants to pad his retirement
> fund by raising his/her annual salary. The athlete always loses in this
> situation.
>
> It would be nice if the NFHS (& NCAA) required all coaches to be
> certified by the NGB of their sport or they cannot have the job,
> regardless of experience. This would stop programs from hiring a coach
> who has competed in 500 road races over other candidates. I think GWU
> did this.
>
> Not holding my breath . . .
>
> MJR
RE: t-and-f: Drossin, Keflezighi Try to Repeat at U.S. Cross Country Championships
Actually, Deena ran 15:11.55 after coming back off a 31:51 10K win. *** Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ Visit me at: www.Coachnet.net *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mcewen, Brian T Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 5:08 PM To: track list Subject: RE: t-and-f: Drossin, Keflezighi Try to Repeat at U.S. Cross Country Championships <<< If Drossin competes in the women's 4-kilometer race on Sunday, it would mark the first major head-to-head race between Drossin and Jacobs since the 2000 US Olympic Trials 5000 meter race in Sacramento, CA., where Drossin pushed Jacobs to an American record time of 14:45.35. Drossin ran a personal best of 14:45.62 in that thrilling race. >>>> She did? -Original Message- From: Paul Banta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 4:07 PM To: track list Subject: t-and-f: Drossin, Keflezighi Try to Repeat at U.S. Cross Country Championships DEENA DROSSIN AND MEB KEFLEZIGHI RETURN TO DEFEND THEIR TITLES AT THE USA CROSS COUNTRY NATIONALS IN VANCOUVER THIS WEEKEND 2000 US Olympic team members Deena Drossin and Meb Keflezighi return to the Fort Vancouver National Historic Site to defend their championships at this weekend's USA Winter National Cross Country Championships. Drossin, a member of Team USA California, is entered in the women's 8-kilometer championship race on Saturday , a title which she has won four times during her illustrious career. She is also entered in the 4-kilometer short cross country race on Sunday, an event that she won in 2000, when she became the first woman to emerge victorious in both events at the national cross country championships. The Vancouver event is Drossin's first major race since her outstanding run at the New York City Marathon in November, where she ran 2:26:58, the fastest debut time for an American woman, and fourth on the all-time US women's list. In light of her situation, Drossin is taking the long-term view on the importance of the national cross country championships this year. "Because of a month long break after the New York Marathon I am very behind in my training," Drossin told Running USA's Charlie Mahler. "I have only been running for a month. I am using Nationals to try and make the World Cross team and not putting pressure on myself to try and defend any previous titles." In keeping with the team nature of cross country, Drossin is emphasizing team goals along with her own aspirations in Saturday's 8K event. Drossin hopes training partners Elva Dryer, Milena Glusac, Jen Rhines and Amy Rudolph - also members of the Team USA California group - become her Dublin teammates as well. "I believe so strongly in this group. Our Running USA California team is so strong, that we feel a "team" sweep is quite possible," Drossin said. "It would be a great exclamation proving that a team-training atmosphere is going to elevate U.S. distance running." Keflezighi, who set the American record at 1 meters at 27:13.98 last May, awaits the starting gun for the men's 12K race on Sunday after a six month racing lay-off. Illness, rather than marathon recovery, has kept him from his rivals. Keflezighi became aware of his stomach malady at the Edmonton World Track & Field Championships and battled the problem into the fall until doctors figured out the proper course of treatment. Keflezighi, the 13th place finisher at the IAAF World Cross Country Championships in Oostende, Belgium is healthy again and appears ready to battle for another U.S. title and a World team spot. His coach, Bob Larsen, is optimistic. "He'll be competitive," the former long-time UCLA mentor said. "He's doing well and feeling strong. We'll have to wait and see, of course; there are a lot of good runners competing." Keflezighi himself lists Team USA California teammate Abdi Abdirahman, who finished third last year; Alan Culpepper, the 2001 runner-up; and Nick Rogers from Eugene, 7th in 2001 as the main contenders, along with himself. Yet he cautions: "I must say, there is always somebody who will surprise!" The Winter National Cross Country Championships brings together many of the USA's top distance runners, and serves as the selection meet for the USA national team that will compete in the IAAF World Cross Country Championships on March 23-24th in Dublin, Ireland. The top six finishers in each of the six championship races (junior men, junior women, senior men, senior women, men's short-course, women
RE: t-and-f: Coach Dunton running afoul of copyright?
I don't want to throw a fly in the ointment, but has anybody ever visitied some of the coaches sites in England or Austrailia? They put up EVERYTHING! Who fights their copyrights? Fred Finke -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 10:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Coach Dunton running afoul of copyright? I'm going to suggest a possible rationale (not that I agree with it) that is NOT based on legal copyright considerations. This comes directly from an internal dilemma in the company that I work for. You have something- an innovative way of doing something- that you wish to share so that more people in your company (or in the ranks of fellow coaches) can benefit from it. However, someone in the security apparatus of your organization comes up with a decision that the very nature of the topic- an innovative way of doing something- gives your company (or the U.S. Federation) a competitive advantage over your competitors (external to your company or your organization). So the internal "police" slap all kinds of bureacratic security levels for data access, to minimize the possibility of your competitors getting a hold of it and adopting the same innovative approaches that you've developed. Unfortunately it makes it so hard for "internal" people who NEED to benefit from it to get access to it, that the innovative techniques remain stifled and "siloed" within a narrow band of knowledgeable people who have come across it. Is that a possibility here?- does the U.S. Federation want to go "secretive" with out-of-the-box coaching thinking so that only the U.S. benefits, with the inherent risks that only 2 or 3 U.S. coaches might even find out about it, ... or is it just a pure dollars and cents thing with selling videotapes (pretty PETTY it would seem)? Do videotape rights fees mean more to the U.S. Federation than the results that the coaching techniques are intended to produce? Shouldn't the U.S. Federation be willing to GIVE this information to U.S. coaches? Either way, USATF's committees need to visit the topic of access to coaching/training information. With the U.S. being such a far-flung country, overly aggressive security clamp-downs could stifle innovation (or the sharing of innovative approaches) to the extent that it could effectively kill off any synergies to be gained by open coast-to-coast discussion and comparison among U.S. coaches. RT
t-and-f: Altitude conversion table?
Hi. Fred Finke here. I am looking for a running altitude conversion table. Please e-mail me priavtely ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) if you know of a location on the web where I can find an altitude conversion table or program. Thanks in advance, Fred Finke
t-and-f: Robert Shine (Wyoming) Invite Results site?
Hi. Fred Finke here. Please e-mail me direct at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone know of a site where I can find the complete results of the Robert Shine Invite that was held today at the University of Wyoming? Fred Finke
t-and-f: All the NCAA regional Results here!
Just in case someone missed it, here is the direct link to all of the NCAA regional XC results! http://www.ncaachampionships.com/sports/2001d1cross_results.html *** Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ Visit me at: www.Coachnet.net ***
RE: t-and-f: Chip timing in the Times.
I believe that this has already been done to an extent. I seem to remember that when nationals were held at Furman a couple of years back, Doug Padilla had a system in place at the 1/2 point that showed which team was ahead (team scores) and it was transmitted to the scoreboard. I also seem to remember something about as the runners came in and were scanned, you could see how the team placements changed as each runner was scanned. Perhaps someone else could be more specific. It was super to watch!! *** Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ Visit me at: www.Coachnet.net *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jack Moran Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 9:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Chip timing in the Times. All it would take is money. An extra set of mats and a computer to read the signals could be placed anywhere on the course. You'd have to wait for enough runners to pass the split to get a score, of course. > From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 23:57:42 -0500 > To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Re: t-and-f: Chip timing in the Times. > > Any thought to programming chips to give unofficial team scores in XC at > intermediate parts of the course and putting the scores on a scoreboard while > the race is in progress? It would be great for spectators. >
RE: t-and-f: X-C Districts and Nationals - was name change
Just as a matter of curiosity, what Footlocker Championship are we talking about? I certainly hope it is not the Foot Locker Cross title. Ritz took that both times they raced at Nationals. *** Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ Visit me at: www.Coachnet.net *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mcewen, Brian T Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 1:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: X-C Districts and Nationals - was name change For what it is worth ... I haven't heard anyone say he isn't that good at Cross ... And you are certainly right ... a 3:53/Footlocker Champ would normally be heralded as the next Bob Kennedy. But, maybe the problem is that everyone is already counting on him to be better than Steve Scott, Bob Kennedy and Adam Goucher ... we've been anticipating it for months. And you can put him ahead of Wilson and Tegankamp, and he will also probably wax at least one of the others you have in the top-7 ... -Original Message- From: Michael Contopoulos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 10:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: X-C Districts and Nationals - was name change Here's what I find baffling when I hear people say Webb isn't that good at cross, he can't run 10k, etc. If it were any other year other than last year, Alan Webb would have been Footlocker Champ and heads and shoulders above anyone else going into his freshman year. Just because Ritz was in his class does not make Webb any less proficient of a cross country runner... like I said, any other year and we would be saying how Michigan got the Footlocker Cross champ... which almost automatically qualifies him for a top 10-15 finish. Now take the fact that he is Alan Webb, and I'm seeing at worst a 7th place finish. Mike My predictions (4-7 interchangeable and on a good day, any one of which could challenge the top 3 for the victory, 8-10 negotiable): 1. Boaz 2. Kimani 3. Torres 4. Ritz 5. Wilson 6. Tegencamp 7. Webb 8. Cragg 9. Watson 10.Thorpe/Lincoln _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
RE: t-and-f: Athletes fighting their own battle on drugs
Hi. Fred Finke here.
Caffeine has been shown to be an aide supposedly because it allows for the
utilization of the free fatty acids in the blood as a source of energy
BEFORE going to the glycogen stores as a source of energy.. If true as the
study showed, this would allow for a longer period of time before you reach
glycogen depletion, therefore you run faster over a prescribed distance.
>From what I understand it is only beneficial in events longer than 2
minutes. In Millers case, I fail to see how it would have been of any
benefit considering with her event she operates primarily in the area of the
atp/cp energy system.
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dan Kaplan
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 4:24 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Athletes fighting their own battle on drugs
I've mentioned from time to time that research of a few years back
(Running Research News from around '95) suggested that legal levels of
caffeine (the equivalent of up to 3 cups of coffee) could be quite
beneficial to mid-distance and distance performances, while illegal levels
(5+ cups) are actually detrimental to performance.
I don't know if this has been looked into further or if it is accepted as
fact, but it certainly raises questions as to the purpose of banning high
levels of caffeine. Last I checked, food makes you faster, but too much
of it before a race slows you down...
Dan
--- Roger Ruth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I realize that it is aside from the main thrust of this article, and I
> realize that my question may be naive, but why would it matter that an
> athlete tests positive for caffiene? I can't see that consuming a dozen
> cups of coffee or a dozen cans of cola per day provides any advantage in
> muscle-building, stamina, or anything else relevant to athletic
> performance.
>
> How does caffiene get into the list of proscribed substances?
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t-and-f: Fort Hays Invite and Pre NCAA sites?
Hi. Fred Finke Here. I am looking for a site with the results of the Fort Hays State University XC invite in Kansas and the Pre NCAA Results at Furman. Help would be appreciated. Fred Finke and Nancy Turner Frederick Finke, C4C, CS 11 Morgan, sister, Jr.-Lyman HS Longwood, Fl.
RE: t-and-f: Re: Olympian Herman Goffberg
Hi. Fred Finke Here.
My volunteer assistant coach is the son of another big player that was in
this race (and by the way the father (in his 80's) is still around and one
of the greatest and most modest men I have ever known. In fact my HS team
ran from his house for 10 years and he never mentioned how good he was until
I accidently ran across his name and asked him if it was him, his response?
"I told you a couple of years ago that I ran a little" ) His name? Quentin
Brelsford, 1946 NCAA XC champion.
Here is the story as relayed by him: During the race, there was a pack of
several runners (Black and Ashenfelter among them that included him.
Unfortunately due to the EXTREME heat (that fact is for sure) after about 2
miles they were spraying water on some of the runners. The results (keep in
mind, no goretex socks then) were that Mr. Breslford got blisters so bad
from the water in his socks and shoes his feet began to bleed and he was
forced to drop out.
Fred Finke
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Subject: t-and-f: Re: Olympian Herman Goffberg
(This is forwarded for Ed Grant)
The death of Herman Goffberg recalls an interesting story about his
qualification for the 1948 Olympic team.
The 10K qualifying race that year was held as part of the
National AAU meet in Milwaukee. This was done to allow the top distance
runners to double back the following week in the two-day final trials at
Northwestern. where the 5K was also run as an "open" trial.
The heat in Milwaukee that weekend was incredible. The temperatures
never got below 100", day or night (the 10K was run under the lights in a
fruitless attempt to provide better weather conditions) and the humidity so
great that I drank a dozen or so cokes one day and saw it all sweated out
without ever having to take a trip to the men's room.
Three of the favorites for the Olympic berths were Bob ("Bones")
Black of Rhode Island and two Penn State runners, Curtis Stone and Horace
Ashenfelter. The other was Fred Wilt who did make the squad.). Penn State
coach Chick Werner was certain he would get at least one of "his boys" on
the team. And so he did. But not the one he expected.
Black, Stone and Ashenfelter never finished the race. Black
practically melted away in the heat---he didn't have an extra ounce of flesh
on his six-foot frame to begin with. It was a miracle that Stone was able to
come back the following week to qualify in the 5K (Ashenfelter, not yet a
steeplechaser, was 5th in that one and Black an also ran, along with a U.S.
Army runner named Kurt Steiner and the great pre-WW II miler, Leslie
MacMitchell.). But Goffberg, an experienced road runner, followed a more
sensible pace and made the trip to London.
All three of the qualifiers are now gone. Wilt and trials winner
Eddie O'Toole passed away several years ago. I am certain none of them could
ever have forgotten the ordeal of that race. Ironically, the weather a week
later in Evanston was mild by comparison..The winning time, by the way, was
32:29.7.
Ed Grant
RE: t-and-f: This week's Sports Illustrated.
Not all that unusual. At one time in college I had a resting rate of 36-38 (in the morning) and I was only a 32:00 runner. I would guess that it comes down to covering those 12-14 mile days. (although mine was de pie, and not on wheels) As a side note on how far were have progressed. In 1971 I was the lucky winner of the number 62 in the draft and the top 120 were being drafted for a vacation in Vietnam. When I reported for my physical and the doctor got a stethoscope to my chest, he stopped the physical immediately and gave me the 4F classification (Basically, women and children would go to Vietnam before I did), with the explanation that anyone with a HR of 42 (The test was given up 4 flights of stairs in Little rock Arkansas in the afternoon and I had already did a morning run of 6 miles, so I guess that explains my elevated HR) had a poor chance of living past the age of 25. Thank goodness he was wrong! Fred Finke PS - I am 49 today and had a HR of 46 this morning, so I guess it might have some genetic basis. It may also have something to do with the fact I can swim 75 yards underwater even to this day. (did 50 yards last night just to see if I still had it and made it easily) *** Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ Visit me at: www.Coachnet.net *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Phil Weishaar Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 6:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: This week's Sports Illustrated. speaking of Armstrong, the other night on David Letterman, Armstrong said his resting heart rate was in the "thirties". No wonder he can pump that bike up the mountains. I have heard of low 40's but not sure on anyone in the thirties. phil weishaar chapman kansas At 08:07 PM 08/02/2001 EDT, you wrote: >If you get a chance to get this week's SI with Lance Armstrong on the >cover...there is a great article about the "World's Fastest Human". > >A.C. >
Re: t-and-f: Los Angeles Track & Field Organizing Committee Files Against Coca-Cola
1. Makes me wonder if the filing of a suit will cause potential sponsors to become hesitant about throwing in as a sponsor. Ideas? 2. Also, I am curious as to whether Coke derived any benefits from the association with the event or if they bailed before any returns on the agreement. 3. Does USATF have an association with Coca Cola? Fred Finke --- Kevin Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In case you missed the article in Wednesday's LA > Times sport section, > enclosed is the press release... > Skip Stolley > > For Immediate Release > Contact: Jan Fambro (310) 826-2962 // [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Los Angeles Track & Field Organizing Committee Files > Complaint for > Damages Against Coca-Cola North America > > > LOS ANGELES (July 24,2001) -- The Los Angeles Track > & Field Organizing > Committee, Inc. (LATFOC), a California non-profit > corporation, today > filed a > $1.37 million Complaint For Damages against > Coca-Cola North America over > a > disagreement regarding sponsorship funding for the > canceled February 11, > 2001 > POWERaDE Indoor Track & Field Championships, to have > been held at > STAPLES > Center. POWERaDE is Coca-Cola’s non-carbonated > sports drink. > > According to LATFOC management, this action was > taken as a last resort > after > exhausting all other possible options regarding the > dispute. The > Complaint > was filed with the Superior Court of the State of > California for the > County > of Los Angeles. > > After agreeing in December 2000 to become the title > sponsor, Coca-Cola > North > America joined the LATFOC in a joint news conference > to announce their > sponsorship and event name change to the POWERaDE > Indoor Track & Field > Championships. On January 21, 2001, three weeks > prior to the meet, > Coca-Cola > attempted to re-negotiate their agreement and > significantly reduce its > financial commitment. Lisa Speakman, Coca-Cola’s > Western Regional > Non-carbonated Brand Manager, approved the agreement > for $250,00 each > year > for three-years. snip = ***Fred Finke, LDR men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_[EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ Coach-net, Helping the High School Athlete --- \ visit me at: http://www.coachnet.net *** __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
t-and-f: Parkersburg Info needed
Please reply offline.
What is the best airport to fly into for the Parkersburg Half-Marathon? I'm
coming from Orlando.
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RE: t-and-f: Youth question
This is from what I think I remember off the top of my head. I was barely out of HS at the time: Actually, I believe that according to the Amateur Sports act of 1972, the AAU cannot put together a national team of adult championships. As for the term "Junior Olympics" , I believe that it was also part of the agreement that both parties TAC and AAU, could use the term. What happened was that the AAU was controlling too many sports and had to choose which one to be in charge of and I think they took swimming for the senior level. (I think that has also changed since then, becoming USA swimming). I think that at one point the AAU almost folded, but a guy by the name of (I think) Bobby Dodd kind of pulled from the brink of extinction and they now focus on grassroots programs in lots of sports (basketball [ask Mike Conley about his little AAU basketball team he had while living in Arkansas], XC, Track, Judo, weight lifting, and a ton more) In some of those age group programs they are THE program (see basketball, volleyball among others). As for the performances being superior (USATF vs AAU), a quick glance appears to indicate that there are a lot of factors involved (the particular age groups you are talking about, the location of the meet for a particular year eg: a hard/expensive place for one vs and easy/cheap place to get to, etc) which bring about the comparisons of superiority that you are talking about. Regardless of the meet, put organization XYZ in a cheap place to fly into that has cheap rooms with a large metropolitan base and put organization ABC in an area that is expensive to fly into with expensive rooms and minimal status as a track hotbed, and the check the performance list. XYZ is going to be "superior" in overall performances. Whether we like it or not, money is going to make the ultimate decision which national meet an age group athlete is going to compete in. JMHO, but we probably need to be a little slower about making sweeping generalizations either way. BTW, I am heavily involved with the USATF (not the AAU as my post would appear after rereading it). I am just stating my observations. *** Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ Visit me at: www.Coachnet.net *** -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Edward KochSent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 9:36 PMTo: John Dye; T-and-FSubject: Re: t-and-f: Youth question The second criticism has some arguable merit, the first does not. The AAU has not been the national governing body of track & field for over twenty years and has nothing to do with selecting USA national teams going to international championships. If, for example, the AAU has adult "championships" again, should we use that to help determine our USA Olympic team? Moreover, the USATF Junior Olympic performances are usually superior, anyway. Ed Koch -Original Message-From: John Dye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: T-and-F <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Sunday, July 15, 2001 8:14 AMSubject: RE: t-and-f: Youth question The team is apparently picked by USATF based on the prior summer's results at the USATF summer meets, such as the Jr Olympics. There have been two criticisms of this method: One, it excludes AAU Jr Olympics athletes, such as Brendan Christian of Texas, who would have been a certain medal contender in the sprints and a valuable member of the medley teams. Two, it is too early to include athletes who blossom in the high school outdoor season preceding the World championships, such as Tawana Watkins of New Jersey who would have been a certain medal contender in the 400 meter hurdles after winning the adidas Outdoor Championships last month. John Dye [EMAIL PROTECTED]DyeStat - www.dyestat.comInternet home of high school track & field & cc -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ed GrantSent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 8:22 PMTo: track netSubject: t-and-f: Youth question Netters: Looking at the results of the World Youth meet, it seems obvious to me that one or more of our NJ athletes might have contributed something to this year's team. But, as far as I know, information on the qualifying for the meet doesn't reach our state, or at least not the athletes who might be interested in it. I could be that there wouldn't be any. but there should
RE: t-and-f: Adams rolls
If anyone saw her in the prelims in Oregon, they probably had stamped her as
a medal contender then. I'm not sure but I think she ran 12.61 in the 1st
round.
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Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 6:33 PM
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Subject: t-and-f: Adams rolls
Wow Adams beat a super hurdle field and stamped herself as legit medal
contender if she can maintain her form, and handle the rounds in Edmonton. I
had picked Ennis-London as one the top finishers (behind Devers) afrer
seeing her crush a strong field at the Jamaican Trials two weeks ago -- she
was flying the second half of the race.
Adams Jenny USA 12.68
Ennis-London Delloreen JAM 12.73
Alozie Glory NGR 12.81
Laukhova Svetlana RUS 12.86
Devers Gail USA 12.89
Foster Bridgette JAM 12.90
Merriman Donica USA 12.94
Korotya Irina RUS 13.02
Wind: -0,4 m/s
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RE: t-and-f: Michael Johnson's last race
Hi. Fred Finke here. I don't know about a world record, but it has been run before. In Florida High Schools, it is known as the old "Sprint Medley" that was in the Florida HS state meet until the mid 1980's. Fred Finke *** Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ Visit me at: www.Coachnet.net *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Post, Marty Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 9:07 AM To: 't-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. edu' (E-mail) Subject: t-and-f: Michael Johnson's last race The IAAF is reporting on its website that Michael Johnson will run his last race on Sept 15 in Yokohama anchoring something called a "Sweden relay." Apparently it's a four person relay with the first three sections of 100 meters, 200 meters and 300 meters, before the final 400. I've never heard of it. Has it been run much before? I'm wondering if it has, then the "world record/world best performance" is so soft, that it's a setup so that MJ would get to go out on the final 400 of his career by anchoring a WR. Marty Post Senior Editor Runner's World Magazine www.runnersworld.com
RE: t-and-f: what's the best HS distance medley of all-time?
Given that the generally accepted conversion for the 3200-2 mile is 2.4 seconds, I would take the position that the 9:49.78 is vastly superior given that it is only about 800 meters farther. *** Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ Visit me at: www.Coachnet.net *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Post, Marty Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 8:35 AM To: 't-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. edu' (E-mail) Subject: t-and-f: what's the best HS distance medley of all-time? South Lakes 9:49.78 at the distance medley broke the 14-year-old HSR of 9:53.31 by McCullough. However,. back in 1977 South Eugene ran a 10:01.6 when the legs were at non-metric yard distances. What's the conversion factor and which mark is intrinsically superior? Marty Post Senior Editor Runner's World Magazine www.runnersworld.com
RE: t-and-f: Tommy Fulton
Another person just refreshed my memory. At the NAIA national meet that year, it was not a relay but the open 800. In total it was: Tommy Fulton won the mile and 3 mile and placed second in the 880 and 6 mile. He beat Mike Boit (4th in Munich) in the mile. Now that was an athlete! Fred Finke -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Wayne T. Armbrust Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 11:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Tommy Fulton Fred Finke wrote: > Fulton did one of the most amazing things I ever saw at NAIA nationals > (Henderson University, Arkadelphia, Ark) in I think it was 1973. He ran the > 3 mile, 6 mile and mile (3:58.?) and scored in all three. I also think he > ran a leg of the 4 x 8 or DMR. He was a one man track team. I think once at his conference meet (Southwestern Athletic Conference) he won the 880, mile, 3 mile, and 6 mile (or their metric equivalents). He also ran the last 600 meters in the 1972 Olympic Trials final with one shoe, after losing it due to someone clipping his heel. -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
RE: t-and-f: Webb #19 all-time US
Fulton did one of the most amazing things I ever saw at NAIA nationals (Henderson University, Arkadelphia, Ark) in I think it was 1973. He ran the 3 mile, 6 mile and mile (3:58.?) and scored in all three. I also think he ran a leg of the 4 x 8 or DMR. He was a one man track team. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of malmo Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:08 PM To: 'david lesley'; 'Phil Murray'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Webb #19 all-time US McAfee was first (5-12-73), Tommy Fulton was the second (5-25-73) and Fikes was the third. -Original Message- From: malmo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:32 PM To: 'david lesley'; 'Phil Murray'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: t-and-f: Webb #19 all-time US Yes. I'll stand by my story. And Denis Fikes (3:55 at Penn behind Waldrop's 3:53) was the second. Anyone remember Tommy Fulton? Did he ever break 4:00? http://enquirer.com/editions/2001/02/25/spt_catching_up_with.html Baffle colleagues and amaze friends!!! Be smarter than U R. You too can use the full power of the net without ever knowing a computer geek. Download the Google Toolbar now http://toolbar.google.com/install.php3 and have instant access to the most intuitive search engine ever!!! David Honea doesn't need one :) Malmo, BFD -Original Message- From: david lesley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 8:31 PM To: malmo; 'Phil Murray'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Webb #19 all-time US Malmo: Is that accurate about Reggie McAfee? Harry McCalla of Stanford was pretty close in the late 60's, and there was a runner at San Jose State at that time who might have done it. The name escapes me. David Lesley -- >From: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "'Phil Murray'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: t-and-f: Webb #19 all-time US >Date: Tue, May 29, 2001, 5:14 PM > > Tony Waldrop? UNC. Imagine a turbo-charged version of Steve Cram. His > career was over before the professional era began, though Nike did try > to buy him in 1977. Some people would rather do other things than run. > Teammate of Reggie McAfee, the first black American to run under 4:00. > > Legend has it, that while retired, Waldrop was still doing workouts > that only one other American could match: a guy named Steve Scott. > > Richie Harris? Colorado State. Wow. Always between injuries, the 3:51 > just scratches the surface of his potential. > > Of course, neither of those guys is from Kenya, so why bother? > > malmo > > > Looking at the list, I saw two names that I don't recall hearing > before > - my youth is showing, I suspect. > > What were the careers of these two guys like? > >> 10. Richie Harris 3:51.39 >> 15. Tony Waldrop 3:53.2 > > > - Ed Parrot > > >
t-and-f: FW: Edmonton 2001 World Championships in Athletics - National Supplier - Apr 20
April 20, 2001 MEDIA RELEASE Edmonton 2001 World Championships in Athletics welcomes another National Supplier to sponsorship slate Edmonton, AB - Edmonton 2001 World Championships in Athletics is pleased to announce it has added another corporation to its impressive list of National Suppliers - Igloo Building Supplies Group. Igloo Building Supplies Group joins DMR, Southam Inc., Corus Entertainment, Imperial Oil and Canadian National as National Suppliers. Igloo Building Supplies' contribution of lumber, plywood and related building materials is being used in a variety of projects in the massive construction underway at the Commonwealth Stadium site, and to build the gazebo-style stage at The World's Plaza (Sir Winston Churchill Square). In addition, Igloo lumber products will be used in the support system for the 100 Days Countdown Clock, being unveiled at City Hall next week. "As a Canadian company serving both the domestic and international markets, we truly appreciate the importance of events like the World Championships in Athletics," said Barry Stewart, president of Igloo Building Supplies Group. "It does so much to raise the profile of the entire country in the international arena. We know The World's will be a boon to both the social and economic fabrics of Edmonton." "Edmonton 2001 is very pleased to have Igloo Building Supplies Group as a member of the National Suppliers' roster," said Dennis Erker, chair of the sponsorship committee for the Championships. Founded as a small building supply company almost four decades ago, Igloo has become an umbrella group specializing in interior-exterior construction products and the manufacture of roof and floor trusses, wall panels, custom crates and cold-climate windows. Since 1981, Igloo has grown from its original roots in Canada's North to holding international status as a premiere supplier of building products to countries like Japan, Russia, China, Poland and Germany. Yet, it remains a family-oriented business with offices in Edmonton and in Hay River and Yellowknife in the Northwest Territories. The 8th IAAF World Championships in Athletics is expected to bring more than 3,000 athletes, coaches and officials from more than 200 countries, to Edmonton, Alberta, Canada to compete in 24 men's and 22 women's athletic events, August 3rd through 12th, 2001. More than 2,500 media are expected to attend and provide coverage around the world. The IAAF World Championships in Athletics is the third-largest sporting event in the world, based on a world-wide television audience of four billion viewers expected to tune in during the ten days of competition. The IAAF World Championships in Athletics is third in scope only to the Summer Olympics and World Cup Soccer. Edmonton 2001 World Championships in Athletics is pleased to acknowledge the following partners: IAAF Partners:TDK, EPSON, Adidas, Coca-Cola, SEIKO, Eurovision and TBS; Government Partners: Government of Canada, Government of Alberta and the City of Edmonton; Sport Partners: Athletics Canada and Athletics Alberta; National Partners: TELUS, Royal Bank Financial Group, Labatt, EPCOR, IKON Office Solutions, Sony of Canada Ltd. and the Edmonton General Motors Dealers. For more information, visit the Edmonton 2001 Web site at www.2001.edmonton.com. For more information Randy Kilburn Media Relations Edmonton 2001 World Championships in Athletics Telephone: (780) 821-2704 Cellular: (780) 919-4253e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: t-and-f: High mileage high schooler
-Original Message- From: Frank Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 1:45 PM To: Fred Finke Subject: RE: t-and-f: High mileage high schooler hey Jerry - thanks for this. How do you get on this list? There will always be someone who goes to extremes and they might get some early success but as you and I know our humble bodies can only handle so much and ultimately will cave in to the stress of it all. Better to work well within the athletes ability and take the long term approach to peak performance. (can you relate to quick gains on the stock market versus long term approach to investing? - a lot of quick gainers are renegotiating their lines of credit after this recent stock market crash!) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Fred Finke Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 2:47 AM To: T-and-F list (E-mail) Subject: RE: t-and-f: High mileage high schooler Quick assumptions made on an article could cause some young coach misconceptions. As a person that lives about 10 miles from the situation and competes on a regular basis with them, there are some things you might want to consider: STRICTLY OBSERVATIONS 1. Mike has been injured (overuse injury ) most of this year since cross country season and is just now making it back. 2. I believe his PR is only about 9:18 (with those types of workouts I would have thought it would have been a lot better). 3. If you add up the mileage, it is about 17 miles without warm-up or cool-down, doing that mileage would average over a 100 miles a week (with easy days). Where does he go from there? 4. Until this year (they finished 2nd at state and we finished 3rd) rarely has their team beat us (I can only think of one other time over the last 4 years). 5. What are the rest of his teammates doing and how come they are not responding with the same types of improvements? 6. We are a much smaller public school (no transfers), Mike was already pretty good when he transferred to Winter Park from one of the local prep schools during his Soph season, so it was already evident about the talent level. Don't get me wrong. I respect their program as well as their coach. They are a class act (as I think we, Lyman, are) But a generalization to the effect doing these types of workouts will make you a state champion is a little overboard in my humble opinion. Our team had the individual state champion (home grown from 9th grade) 4 years since 1990 and not one time did they run over 55 miles and had PR's of 4:12, 4:15, 9:04 and 9:16 (and a third that made the Olympic team). Not bragging, just saying there is more than one way to skin a cat. Fred -- Forwarded message -- From: "Scott Fickerson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "T-and-F" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: High mileage high schooler Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:09:26 -0400 With all the talk of high school runners stepping up to levels not seen = since the 70's and 80's, there has been much speculation as to why this = might be happening. Some think that high schoolers are running faster = because of higher mileage and tougher workouts...in that vein I thought = I'd share this with the list...I found this killer workout on the site: = http://www.anna.k12.oh.us/d3/T_F_Homepage/NEWS/news.htm Workouts: Start With Distance, Finish With Speed It's not easy putting distance, long intervals and speedwork--pretty = much everything you need--into the same workout, but Florida state = cross-country champion Mike Swope of Winter Park High seems to have = figured it out, with help from his coach Mike Hill. He runs 4 miles in = 23:41, rest, 3 miles in 16:35, rest, 2 miles in 9:50, rest, 1 mile in = 4:34, rest, 300 meters in 38, then 5 minute recovery, followed by 1.5 = miles in 7:05 (5-min rest), 1200 in 3:25 (3-min rest), 800 in 2:17 = (2-min rest), 1200 in 3:15 (1-min rest), 800 in 2:17 (30-sec rest), 400 = in 69 (30-sec rest) and 400 in 57. That's some day's work.=20 Scott Fickerson Heidelberg College Track & Field (419) 448 - 2179 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: t-and-f: High mileage high schooler
Quick assumptions made on an article could cause some young coach misconceptions. As a person that lives about 10 miles from the situation and competes on a regular basis with them, there are some things you might want to consider: STRICTLY OBSERVATIONS 1. Mike has been injured (overuse injury ) most of this year since cross country season and is just now making it back. 2. I believe his PR is only about 9:18 (with those types of workouts I would have thought it would have been a lot better). 3. If you add up the mileage, it is about 17 miles without warm-up or cool-down, doing that mileage would average over a 100 miles a week (with easy days). Where does he go from there? 4. Until this year (they finished 2nd at state and we finished 3rd) rarely has their team beat us (I can only think of one other time over the last 4 years). 5. What are the rest of his teammates doing and how come they are not responding with the same types of improvements? 6. We are a much smaller public school (no transfers), Mike was already pretty good when he transferred to Winter Park from one of the local prep schools during his Soph season, so it was already evident about the talent level. Don't get me wrong. I respect their program as well as their coach. They are a class act (as I think we, Lyman, are) But a generalization to the effect doing these types of workouts will make you a state champion is a little overboard in my humble opinion. Our team had the individual state champion (home grown from 9th grade) 4 years since 1990 and not one time did they run over 55 miles and had PR's of 4:12, 4:15, 9:04 and 9:16 (and a third that made the Olympic team). Not bragging, just saying there is more than one way to skin a cat. Fred -- Forwarded message -- From: "Scott Fickerson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "T-and-F" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: High mileage high schooler Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:09:26 -0400 With all the talk of high school runners stepping up to levels not seen = since the 70's and 80's, there has been much speculation as to why this = might be happening. Some think that high schoolers are running faster = because of higher mileage and tougher workouts...in that vein I thought = I'd share this with the list...I found this killer workout on the site: = http://www.anna.k12.oh.us/d3/T_F_Homepage/NEWS/news.htm Workouts: Start With Distance, Finish With Speed It's not easy putting distance, long intervals and speedwork--pretty = much everything you need--into the same workout, but Florida state = cross-country champion Mike Swope of Winter Park High seems to have = figured it out, with help from his coach Mike Hill. He runs 4 miles in = 23:41, rest, 3 miles in 16:35, rest, 2 miles in 9:50, rest, 1 mile in = 4:34, rest, 300 meters in 38, then 5 minute recovery, followed by 1.5 = miles in 7:05 (5-min rest), 1200 in 3:25 (3-min rest), 800 in 2:17 = (2-min rest), 1200 in 3:15 (1-min rest), 800 in 2:17 (30-sec rest), 400 = in 69 (30-sec rest) and 400 in 57. That's some day's work.=20 Scott Fickerson Heidelberg College Track & Field (419) 448 - 2179 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: USATF News & Notes - 4/19/01
Contact: Tom Surber Media Information Manager USA Track & Field (317) 261-0500 x317 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usatf.org USATF NEWS & NOTES Volume 2Number 31 April 19, 2001 Marion Jones opens 2001 campaign this weekend Five-time Olympic medalist Marion Jones will open her 2001 season this weekend at the 43rd Mt. SAC Relays in Walnut, California, where she will attempt to set a new record in the 300 meters. Jones will be one of nearly 20 U.S. 2000 Olympians and 9 Olympic medalists competing at Mt. SAC. Also scheduled to compete are gold medalists Maurice Greene, Jon Drummond and Bernard Williams, silver medalists Terrence Trammell and bronze medalists Mark Crear, Chryste Gaines, John Godina and Melissa Morrison. The fastest women's time recorded in the 300 meters is 34.1 seconds by Marita Koch of East Germany. The mark was taken from a split time from her 400-meter world record of 47.60, set at the World Cup in 1985. Great Britain's Kathy Cook owns the fastest automatically timed performance of 35.46. Chandra Cheesborough has the fastest time by an American of 35.49. Both performances occurred at the same race in August, 1984 in London. Jones won her fourth 400-meter title at Mt. SAC last spring in a personal best of 49.59, the fastest time by an American in 2001, and the third fastest time in the world. Only Olympic gold and silver medalists Cathy Freeman and Lorraine Graham bettered Jones' time last year. Other featured athletes competing at Mt. SAC this weekend include: 100m: Jon Drummond, Tim Harden, Bernard Williams, Curtis Johnson; 200m: Ato Boldon; 400m: Jerome Davis, Tyree Washington, Deon Minor; 800m: Khadevis Robinson, Trinity Townsend; 110m hurdles: Mark Crear; 4x100m relay: Maurice Greene, Terrence Trammell; Shot Put: John Godina; Javelin: Breaux Greer. Featured women at the Mt SAC Relays include: 200m: Chryste Gaines, Shanelle Porter; 800m: Kim Toney; 100m hurdles: Melissa Morrison; High Jump: Amy Acuff, Karol Damon, Gwen Wentland; Shot Put: Connie Price-Smith, Teri Tunks; Discus: Seilala Sua, Kristin Kuehl, Suzy Powell; Javelin: Suzy Powell. Athletes from more than 35 countries are scheduled to compete at this year's Mt. SAC Relays. Olympians to compete at Kansas Relays More than 3,000 athletes, including 24 Olympians, are scheduled to compete at the 74th Kansas Relays this week in Lawrence, Kansas. Elite U.S. athletes competing at this year's event include sprinters Brian Lewis, Ken Brokenburr, LaTasha Colander-Richardson, Michelle Collins and Passion Richardson. Athletes competing in the 400-meter hurdles include Calvin Davis, Tonja Buford-Bailey and Sandra Farmer-Patrick. In the field events, look for high jumper Nathan Leeper and long and triple jump specialists Robert Howard and Melvin Lister. Heptathlete Sheila Burrell will compete in the long jump, and Andy Bloom will throw in both the shot put and the discus. In addition to the elite athletes, 120 collegiate teams and 252 high school teams will be represented at the Kansas Relays. Drake Relays names event after former coach Beginning this year, the Drake Relays university-college men's 110-meter hurdles will be renamed in honor of former Drake track coach Gary Osborn to recognize his many contributions to the event. Osborn, who served 32 years on the Drake coaching staff, died of a heart attack at his home in Truro, Iowa on May 21, 2000. He was 56. An assistant professor in the Graduate School of Education, Osborn had served as the head coach of Drake's women's cross country program since 1989, and was the head coach of the women's track and field program during the 1993-94 season. "The hurdles competition always had a special place in Gary's heart," said Drake Relays director Mark Kostek. "I can't think of a more fitting way to honor Gary. He will always be remembered for his contributions to the Drake Relays." A chanticleer pear tree was planted Sept. 28 on the northeast corner of Drake Stadium in memory of Osborn. The tree was donated by the Drake men's track team as a memorial to Osborn. The 92nd Drake Relays are April 26-28 in Des Moines, Iowa. Webb continues record-setting ways In a much-ballyhooed match-up between three of the nation's finest high school milers last Saturday in California, Alan Webb of Reston, Virginia captured the victory at the Arcadia Invitational in 4 minutes, 1.81 seconds, setting a new National Federation of High Schools record. Webb defeated nationally recognized runners Ryan Hall of California and John Jefferson of Florida. Hall challenged Webb during the second half of the race before fading to fourth in 4:08.37. Webb's time broke Paul Vandegrift's NFHS record of 4:03.22 set in 1987. Jim Ryun's 1965 high school record of 3:55.3 is not recognized by the NFHS. Webb became the first American high school runner in history to break four minutes for the indoor mile in New York on January 21, 2001 with a time of 3:59.86. The senior from South Lakes High School also became
t-and-f: El Guerrouj To Run Pre Classic Mile
April 18, 2001 For Immediate Release EL GUERROUJ TO RUN PRE CLASSIC MILE Eugene, Oregon-- World mile recordholder Hicham El Guerrouj of Morocco will race in the Bowerman Mile at the Prefontaine Classic Grand Prix May 27th at Hayward Field. El Guerrouj is the preeminent middle distance runner in the sport today, and has been for the past four years. He currently holds the world record in the mile (3:43.13), the 1500 meters (3:26.00), and the 2000 meters (4:44.79). "El G" as he is known throughout the track world, is a two-time world champion in the 1500 meters, in 1997 and 1999, and will be making a defense of his title at the 2001 World Championships in Edmonton, Alberta, this summer. El Guerrouj will be racing for the first time ever in an invitational meet in the United States. His only other appearance on American soil was in the Atlanta Olympic Games, where he was tripped at the bell while fighting for the lead in the final and finished 12th. From that race onward, he lost only one competition in four years, until the Olympic Final in Sydney, where he was pipped at the line by Noah Ngeny of Kenya. Despite that loss, El Guerrouj garnered his fourth straight No. 1 ranking in the 1500 from Track & Field News magazine due to his overall dominance in the event. In March of this season, El G moved up to the 3000 meters at the World Indoor Championships in Lisbon, and came away the winner. He then returned to Ifrane, the high-altitude training camp in the Atlas Mountains of Morocco, where he has been training with a group coached by Abdelkadher Kada (who once said his most important coaching advice was to tell Hicham when he was doing too much). El Guerrouj will remain in training there until making the journey to Oregon in late May for the Prefontaine Classic, which will be his first outdoor competition. The meet record in the Bowerman Mile is 3:50.95 by Daniel Komen of Kenya, set in 1998. The Bowerman Mile is named in honor of the late Bill Bowerman, legendary coach at the University of Oregon and mentor to some of America's greatest middle and long distance runners. For more information, contact Tom Jordan by e-mail, or by calling 1-541-687-1989. preclassic.com
t-and-f: USATF News & Notes - 4/17/01
Contact: Tom Surber Media Information Coordinator USA Track & Field (317) 261-0500 x317 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usatf.org USATF NEWS & NOTES Volume 2, Number 30 April 17, 2001 Huffins to pursue World Champs long jump berth Olympic decathlon bronze medalist Chris Huffins will concentrate on the 100 meters and long jump before retiring at the end of this year, according to The Indianapolis Star. Huffins, who has "been training (his) butt off," told reporter David Woods that he has no plans to compete in a decathlon, but he hopes to finish in the top three at the GMC Envoy USA Outdoor Championships in the long jump. A top-3 finish would put Huffins on Team USA at the 2001 World Outdoor Championships in Edmonton, Canada. Huffins posted a jump of 24 feet, 6.5 inches Saturday at the Sun Angel Classic in Arizona to finish second to U.S. indoor champion and 2000 Olympian Dwight Phillips. Ambassador Jones Marion Jones has been given the post and title of ambassador by Belize, the country of her mother's birth. Jones hopes to raise money to improve sports facilities in Belize. The triple Olympic gold medalist will open her 2001 season by competing in the 300 meters this weekend at the Mt. SAC Relays in Walnut, Calif. Spivey to Vanderbilt Three-time Olympian Jim Spivey has been hired as the assistant cross country and track coach at Vanderbilt University. During his four-year stint at the University of Chicago, Spivey coached 12 of the athletic department's 21 all-Americans. A four-time U.S. 1,500 meter champ, Spivey finished 8th in that event at the 1992 Olympics. Four elected to Hall of Fame Four new members have been elected to the National Distance Running Hall of Fame in Utica, New York. The new members include longtime director of the New York City Marathon Fred Lebow, and Olympians Bill Dellinger, Lynn Jennings and Craig Virgin. A three-time Olympian, Dellinger captured the bronze medal in the 5,000 meters at the 1964 Olympics before beginning his coaching career at the University of Oregon in 1966. Dellinger retired from coaching in 1998, having tutored such greats as Steve Prefontaine, Alberto Salazar and Joaquim Cruz. A nine-time U.S. cross country champ, Jennings won the world cross country championship three straight years (1990-1992). A three-time Olympian, Jennings won the bronze medal in the 10,000 meters at the 1992 Olympics in Barcelona. The last U.S. male to win the world cross country championship, Virgin won that event in 1980 and 1981. In addition to winning two U.S. cross country championships, Virgin also captured the national 10,000 meter title in 1978, 1979 and 1982. Induction will take place at the Hall in Utica on July 7. Networks win Emmys for athletics coverage NBC's taped coverage of the 2000 Olympic Games in Sydney, including coverage of track and field, earned 10 Sports Emmys during a ceremony Monday night in New York. NBC received its awards in a number of categories, including film cinematography, feature presentation, technical achievement and studio host, Bob Costas. CBS also received an Emmy for its electronic camerawork during the 2000 NCAA Outdoor Track & Field Championships. # # #
FW: t-and-f: IMPORTANT - From the moderator!!!!
approved:runfast From: Trey Jackson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 3:57 PM To: Fred Finke Subject: Re: t-and-f: IMPORTANT - From the moderator Fred, Thanks for doing this. It is a shame that some members don't have the courtesy or decency to keep their individual opinions regarding subjects not appropriate for a public forum to themselves. I don't envy you and I am sure that some of the members who see my post will disagree with my statement. Fred Finke wrote: > All, > Every message has to go through me and I have to approve or disapprove every > message. Hopefully we will be able to get ourselves off this status, but this > is what happens when we abuse our priveledges. This is going to slow down the > turn around time a lot. > > Fred Finke > Current Moderator
RE: t-and-f: IMPORTANT - From the moderator!!!!
You need to read my message. I did not get on any horse, nor did I make any statements as to the validity of the post. Simply put, it was offesnsive to many people on the list as an indirect way of passing along pornography. The University of Oregon was going to shut down the list, effective immediately. We probably could have gotten away with the thread without the constant barrage with the link. As for having to do with Track and field, I believe the charter says "elite" track and field and if you check her performances (on the track), it would be a real stretch to have the situation classified as elite. As a side note, please believe me when I say that you are in the minority in your views. I have gotten more posts with "thank yous" than you can possibly imagine. -Original Message- From: alan tobin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 7:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: IMPORTANT - From the moderator Jesuz H. Christ Finke! How about you and whoever else runs this list (UO) get off your high horse for a little bit? No one was harmed in the thread. The photos are not pornographic. They are art. If you don't believe that then come forth out of the 1950s. Why is it we must ban controversial issues on this list? The same type of censorship would occur if I were to bring up a religion based thread. Fact is the "Stripper" thread had a lot to do with track and field. If you dig beyond the nakedness you will discover that. But, noo you and the powers that be decided that this little controversial issue should be stopped in it's tracks like some Roman Emperor banning Christians from gathering. What should be discussed is "Should she have been kicked off the team?". Was she doing any harm? No. She was involved in legal employment. It had everything to do with track and morals. What was the real reason of her dismissal? My guess is that her and the coach were already on shaky ground and the coach was looking for a way to boot her off the team without question. I'm know there are many college girls who work as strippers. It's legal employment. Then there's the question of should being a stripper be legal? What right does the coach or school have in dismissing her? Was she setting a bad example? No, she was doing nothing illegal. Of course you will probably not send this to the list so I've CC'd it to a few of the people on the list who responded to the original thread. Again I ask...what is wrong with nudity? The nude form is an art form. Any 11 yr old could go into an art class and see a nude form, just like the nude forms in Playboy. Nudity is not immoral or wrong, pornography is, and the "Stripper" pics are not pornography. So to say that the subject of the thread is either immoral or does not have anything do to with track and field is completely and utterly WRONG. She was a track runner who was kicked off her team because she was a stripper. That has everything to do with track and the motives of the coach and/or school. The Playboy spread was the effect not the cause of her dismissal. Get with it Finke. I guess we'll just go back to the dull and PI threads that invade this list like a plague on humanity. How about a thread about religion and track and field? I'm sure that would meet the same demise as the "Stripper" thread. The list nowadays only recycles old threads and ideas. Bring back the college crowd and Mike Fox! Alan _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
t-and-f: IMPORTANT - From the moderator!!!!
All, I just got this message and contacted Lucy. We have worked out a compromise and that is THIS IS A MODERATED LIST FOR THE TIME BEING! Every message has to go through me and I have to approve or disapprove every message. Hopefully we will be able to get ourselves off this status, but this is what happens when we abuse our priveledges. This is going to slow down the turn around time a lot. Fred Finke Current Moderator - Fred - Please get in touch with me about this list ASAP. This stripper thread (and the failure to shut it down in a timely way) has resulted in a mandate from my boss that the list MUST have a UO owner or move. There is currently only one UO person subscribed to the list - I can check and see if he would be willing to take on the list but I need to hear form you and Charlie right away - Lucy E. Lynch, Listmaster Academic User Services Computing Center University of Oregon [EMAIL PROTECTED] (541) 346-1774 *** Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ Visit me at: www.Coachnet.net ***
RE: t-and-f: This list is ridiculous! [note:T&F Question After Rant}
Hi. Fred Finke here. (Current moderator) Excuse me, but you seem to have missed my post earlier. I did not let anything go. I will repost it for your benefit. I know that it went to the general list because I have gotten several "amen" replies offlist. Fred - FRED FINKE WROTE: Hi. Fred Finke here. I am the current moderator until April 17th. I have been trying to put out this little "stripper thread" fire offline. However, It is time to make a general statement. Regardless of my personal beliefs, this thread is proving to be offensive to SEVERAL people on the list. Please discontine at the time. PLEASE COMMUNICATE VIA PRIVATE E-MAIL WITH EACH OTHER IF YOU WISH TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION. Continued abuse of this thread could result in the U of O shutting us down. I am recommending to the rest of the moderating staff that any more propagation of this thread result in a "time out" for the poster. Please remember this list is to be a discussion area for ELITE track and field/Cross-Country. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. --- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of sean other Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 6:11 PM To: Donald Mcfarlin; SD Cap'n Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: This list is ridiculous! [note:T&F Question After Rant} The list moderator has reprimanded people on here for repetitive posts, and for posting "I agree" posts, but failed to take action when specific threats were posted. Now he lets this go. Sean --- Donald Mcfarlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I apologize in advance for responding to such an > obvious troll, but ... > > SD Cap'n wrote: > > > I wonder if the U of Oregon would be interested in > knowing that its servers > > are being used to distribute porn. > > First, the message in question did NOT distribute > anything except a sequence of letters designating a > certain internet URL. Second, the message warned > you of the content displayed at said URL; why did > YOU go to that web site, knowing in advance that you > would be offended? Third, your definition of "porn" > seems to include something which is common, legal > and at worst, offensive mainly to strict puritans. > What you call "porn" can be seen every day at > hundreds of public beaches in America, and most > throughout the rest of the civilized world. By your > definition, I have "porn" in my house every day and > every night (well, I wish). > > > > > I wonder if the readers of T&F News would be > interested in knowing that its > > editor endorses porn and its unsolicited > distribution. > > > > I wonder if Mr. X's wife and family would be > interested in knowing of his > > endorsement. > > WHO THE F--- DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?!?! If ever > someone needed to be beaten to a bloody pulp for an > offensive post to this list, it's you. > > > You guys are so shortsighted that you've never > even considered the possible > > subscriber who struggles with sexual addictions, > not to mention the > > implications of pornography on society > (particularly in the USA). > > Jerkass. If you struggle with sexual addictions, > you should not have internet access. Read the > previous sentence about 100 times, you stupid troll. > > > > Back to the track, please. With the renewed news > regarding US high schoolers and the sub 4 minute > mile, could someone tell me how many times Ryun, > Danielson, Liquori et al. broke four minutes in HS. > TIA > > Hope everyone gets to a good meet or two this > weekend. > > Don __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
t-and-f: From the list moderator.
Hi. Fred Finke here. I am the current moderator until April 17th. I have been trying to put out this little "stripper thread" fire offline. However, It is time to make a general statement. Regardless of my personal beliefs, this thread is proving to be offensive to SEVERAL people on the list. Please discontine at the time. PLEASE COMMUNICATE VIA PRIVATE E-MAIL WITH EACH OTHER IF YOU WISH TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION. Continued abuse of this thread could result in the U of O shutting us down. I am recommending to the rest of the moderating staff that any more propagation of this thread result in a "time out" for the poster. Please remember this list is to be a discussion area for ELITE track and field/Cross-Country. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. *** Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ Visit me at: www.Coachnet.net ***
RE: t-and-f: Distance Runners
Without opening this discussion too much, have you even been close enough to Lynn Jennings or Deena Drossin to to see the lookin in their eyes as they took the lead in a race. Scary. Killer instinct does not do the description justice. Fred -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Conway HillSent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 5:20 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: t-and-f: Distance Runners Th the risk of being jumped on by the distance crowd here on the list I am going to make an observation ... The one thing that all of the great distance runners that have been mentioned so far (from Ryan and Lindgren and Pre to Padilla, and Nenow, Salazar and Marsh) that has seemed to be missing from our distance runners for say the past 15 years or so is "fire" .. Compeitive fire ... Killer instinct ... The will not to lose ... With the exception of Kennedy, most of our distance runners over the past decade and a half or so have seemed to be in races to "do their best" ... But not necessarily challenge for the front - to win ... Look in their eyes and you see no "fire" ... Almost as if they are resigned to losing even before the race has gone off - and without the intent to try to do anything about it ... A Padilla or Marsh or Salazar (let alone Lindgren, Ryan or Pre) would have latched on and stayed with the leaders until they literally would have dropped ... But our modern runners seem content to watch the leaders pull away as if they are waiting to unleash some kick from hell that never materializes ... Even guys we've had with great talent -Scott or even Holman - have seemed to be ok with letting people just run off from them without mustering a challenge ... Is this because: The running boom facilitated the idea of "just do YOUR best" ?? We've become totally intimidated by the opposition as presented by the "African's" ?? What would it be ??? Or am I totally off base ??? Have others made the same observation or am I just seeing things ??? Conway >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: t-and-f: Distance Runners >Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:31:09 EST > >In a message dated Thu, 29 Mar 2001 2:22:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, Richard McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>writes: > ><< At 01:51 AM 3/29/2001 -0800, t-and-f-digest wrote.. > >Jeff beat me to this. George Young is indeed the most overlooked runner > >in the U.S. And he is one of the runners that I point too as support for > >my theory that the golden age of american distance running was 1964 > >to about 1976 and that it was after the "running boom" and the rise of > >the African nations that fortunes began to fall. > > > >Mike > >I would extend that period to about 1982 or 83. Liquori gave Yifter a run >for his money in the 77 World Cup, and the Americans never got a chance to >demonstrate how much they had improved in 1980 at the Olympics. The US was >very competitive through the 1983 World Champs and Salazar had some great >10ks in there. But the wheels came off in 84 at the Olympics, and we've >never recovered. > >Richard McCann > > >> >I would amend that by saying that the wheels BEGAN to fall off at that point (1984). The U.S. was still very competitive for a few years following. Bickford and Nenow went 1-2 at the DN Galan 10K in '85, with Bickford ranking #1 in the world that year. The next year Nenow pushed Aouita to the edge in Oslo and then ran 27:20.56 at Van Damme. > >Also in '85, Doug Padilla won the overall Grand Prix (the first ever) and ranked 2nd in the 5K behind only Aouita, and Henry Marsh ranked #1 in the steeple. The U.S. also placed third in the World Cross (behind Kenya and Ethiopia) in both '85 and '86, with top ten finishes by Bickford (10th '85), Pat Porter (6th '86) and John Easker (10th' 86). > >And I won't even mention Steve Scott. >sideshow > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
RE: t-and-f: Statistics of posts and posters
Hey, How about me? I have probably stimulated more discussion in a long time with my location of runners thead! :) Fred Finke PS - How come no one has fostered the idea that when the early settlers were choosing places to set up settlelments, the "hearty stock" choose the midwest and hence a strong rise in the strength of the Gene Pool. Hearty Stock = Strong, tough runners! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mcewen, Brian T Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 9:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Statistics of posts and posters >The top 10 posters this time (roughly March 8-March 15) were: > >1. "Eamonn Condon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (22) >2. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (20) >3. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (17) >4. Ed & Dana Parrot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (16) >5. "Mcewen, Brian T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (15) <<<<><><><><><><><><> I am confident I can do better. I can see myself moving up to, perhaps, the top-three by early May, if I really apply myself. I am not going to be mired mid-pack forever. I am bound and determined to cut out all attempts at spelling and punctuation to speed it up and boost my numbers. If that doesn't work, I will eliminate content also ... some have tried this successfully. I consider Mr. Condom to be only a nominal leader (since he is merely passing on info.) and I believe with the right effort I can surpass Garry and Darrell ... Two posts a day is nuthin' ... -Brain P.S. Out of the top-100 posts ... how many were mine? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 5:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Statistics of posts and posters Thanks to Pat Palmer for summarizing rates of contribution, viz., >The top 10 posters this time (roughly March 8-March 15) were: > >1. "Eamonn Condon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (22) >2. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (20) >3. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (17) >4. Ed & Dana Parrot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (16) >5. "Mcewen, Brian T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (15) >6. "Uri Goldbourt, PhD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (11) >7. "Wayne T. Armbrust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (10) >8. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (9) >9. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (7) >10 "Conway Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>(6) > >So, of the about 2000 members, in this week about 5% contributed a >post while 10 individuals contributed 45% of all posts. One of my reactions is that the number of contributions isn't all that meaningful without some index of quality of contributions. I don't know who might be courageous enough to attempt that. My other reaction, though, is that of being reminded of Eamonn Condon's valuable contribution to the list. That, of course, consists of searching European news (largely, the Electronic Telegraph) and copying it for our information. If you've ever tried copying and formatting anything from the Electronic Telegraph, you'll appreciate even more Eamonn's making this available to us. As far as I can remember, he seldom, if ever, adds commentary of his own. It's hard work at no pay, but very, very much appreciated. Thanks, Eamonn!
RE: t-and-f: Triple jump 2nd phase
The obvious ways are to: 1. set up some cones, insuring a short initial hop and an increased distance for the step phase. (this is really weird that you should ask this question, I am a HS coach and had the same problem with a jumper in practice this morning! We did this drill and he went from a 45'2" to a 47'3 off of a 7 step approach, his season best). 2. Several sets of Alternate single leg bounds emphasizing toe up and thigh parallel to the ground. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tori Moser Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 9:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Triple jump 2nd phase I am relatively new to coaching track and we did not have triple jump when I was competing in high school. I have a female jumper, maybe two, that have the potential to jump over 40 feet this season. But we just can't seem to "fix" that 2nd phase. Does anyone have any suggestions?
Re: t-and-f: HS runners and bad weather
I think that is the gist of the conversation. How come those athletes that grow up in the best of early training envirnments don't produce over the long haul. Fred --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Five of the ten fastest 2-miles ever run by > high schoolers belong to > Californians. > >I don't know what happens to them in college. > = *******Fred Finke, LDR men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_[EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ Coach-net, Helping the High School Athlete --- \ visit me at: http://www.coachnet.net *** __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
RE: t-and-f: Creating Good Distance runners in the US
I had actually put a comma after Prefontaine and did not place Lindgren (although I knew he was from Washington, who could ever forget that Jersey in the pics!). BTW, as for my spelling errors, I am blaming it on a new ring I just got (Hefty!) and it is causing my typing to be errratic. I stand by the theme that tough conditions breed tough athletes. Fred -Original Message- From: Ryan Grote [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 2:55 PM To: Fred Finke; T-and-F list (E-mail); Coach-Net (E-mail) Subject: Re: t-and-f: Creating Good Distance runners in the US Whoa there... This may have already been addressed, Samuelson or Benoit is from Maine, New Hampshire would be Jennings. I'm sure GH will jump this one, but Lindgren and Oregon...oooh. Thats like saying that Michael Jordan played at Duke. While Eugene and most of the Northwest are indeed often wet, sloppy, Lindgren went to Wazzu, Pullman, WA, known as The Palouse. At times a locale featuring incomparible weather conditions. Its on the other side of the mountains and desert, basically, from the rest of the state. Nasty, nasty, nasty place. Then again, in my travels I've found that just about everywhere can be the windiest place on the map at times when you really want to get on the track. Grote adiRP/MMRD - Original Message ----- From: Fred Finke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: T-and-F list (E-mail) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Coach-Net (E-mail) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 1:29 PM Subject: t-and-f: Creating Good Distance runners in the US > Hi. Fred Finke here. > I have another theory. The weather is not your barrier, it is you > asset!! Throw in Altitude and I can almoist guarentee you a great XC program > is in the neighborhood. I think the reason is that people that live in the > soft climates are not grown "tough". Think about it. The great runners > (yes I know there are some exceptions, but the number is REAL small), Ryun > (Kansas-Hot and Cold), Mills (poor, Indian Reservation), Lindgren, > Prefontaine(Oregon - Sloppy and wet), Hamilton (Wisconsin - now that is COLD > (yeah, Suzy), Samuelson (New Hampshire in February?), Kennedy (Ohio) et al, > (Please do not use Marc Davis, He is a paradigm:) All were raised in tough > environments, whether it is climatic, socio-economic, etc. I think for an > athlete to be great, sacrifices need to be made. I would challenge anyone > to list GREAT runners that grew up with a silver spoon and went onto > greatness. To be great, Sacrifices need to be made. Personally I think the > WORST thing that could happen to a great HS athlete is to give them a full > Scholarship. Make them EARN it. You have to be HUNGRY!! (Ask the Kenyans) > > > Fred Finke > *** > Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator >--- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 >-- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- \/\ Visit me at: www.Coachnet.net > *** > > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:48:27 AM > > Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > << Dan, > > > > You have a great point. The weather was always a > > barrier for us in Utah as > > well. Keep in mind, however, that since I've been > > living in Southern > > California, I can't think of more than about 4 or 5 > > guys that were worth > > anything at all. Keep in mind that this is on the > > collegiate level. Coming > > from Utah, and Arkansas, I personally feel it's a > > disgrace that So. Cal > > colleges can't produce more distance talent than > > they do. It's pretty bad > > really. > > > > Any thoughts.? > > > > Schiefer >> > > > > Bad coaching. > > sideshow > > > > *** > Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator >--- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 >-- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- \/\ Visit me at: www.Coachnet.net > *** > >
Re: t-and-f: Creating Good Distance runners in the US
I stand corrected, BTW, I was thinking of Lynn Jennings for that title (Multi-time World XC titleist) as the "tough" Runner from NH. Thanks for improving on my point by pointing out Benoit from Maine. (Is that another warm weather state, I am a little weak in my geography?) :) Fred Finke --- Tom Derderian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fred, > Who is Samuelson (New Hampshire in February)? Or do > you mean Benoit in > Maine? > Derderian > ----- Original Message - > From: Fred Finke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: T-and-F list (E-mail) > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Coach-Net (E-mail) > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 1:29 PM > Subject: t-and-f: Creating Good Distance runners in > the US > > > > Hi. Fred Finke here. > > I have another theory. The weather is not > your barrier, it is you > > asset!! Throw in Altitude and I can almoist > guarentee you a great XC > program > > is in the neighborhood. I think the reason is > that people that live in > the > > soft climates are not grown "tough". Think about > it. The great runners > > (yes I know there are some exceptions, but the > number is REAL small), Ryun > > (Kansas-Hot and Cold), Mills (poor, Indian > Reservation), Lindgren, > > Prefontaine(Oregon - Sloppy and wet), Hamilton > (Wisconsin - now that is > COLD > > (yeah, Suzy), Samuelson (New Hampshire in > February?), Kennedy (Ohio) et > al, > > (Please do not use Marc Davis, He is a paradigm:) > All were raised in > tough > > environments, whether it is climatic, > socio-economic, etc. I think for an > > athlete to be great, sacrifices need to be made. > I would challenge anyone > > to list GREAT runners that grew up with a silver > spoon and went onto > > greatness. To be great, Sacrifices need to be > made. Personally I think > the > > WORST thing that could happen to a great HS > athlete is to give them a full > > Scholarship. Make them EARN it. You have to be > HUNGRY!! (Ask the > Kenyans) > > > > > > Fred Finke > > > *** > > Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator > >--- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, > Morocco, 1998 > >-- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- \/\ Visit me at: www.Coachnet.net > > > *** > > > > > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:48:27 AM > > > Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > > << Dan, > > > > > > You have a great point. The weather was always a > > > barrier for us in Utah as > > > well. Keep in mind, however, that since I've > been > > > living in Southern > > > California, I can't think of more than about 4 > or 5 > > > guys that were worth > > > anything at all. Keep in mind that this is on > the > > > collegiate level. Coming > > > from Utah, and Arkansas, I personally feel it's > a > > > disgrace that So. Cal > > > colleges can't produce more distance talent than > > > they do. It's pretty bad > > > really. > > > > > > Any thoughts.? > > > > > > Schiefer >> > > > > > > Bad coaching. > > > sideshow > > > > > > > > *** > > Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator > >--- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, > Morocco, 1998 > >-- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- \/\ Visit me at: www.Coachnet.net > > > *** > > > = ***Fred Finke, LDR men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_[EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ Coach-net, Helping the High School Athlete --- \ visit me at: http://www.coachnet.net *** __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/
t-and-f: Creating Good Distance runners in the US
Hi. Fred Finke here.
I have another theory. The weather is not your barrier, it is you
asset!! Throw in Altitude and I can almoist guarentee you a great XC program
is in the neighborhood. I think the reason is that people that live in the
soft climates are not grown "tough". Think about it. The great runners
(yes I know there are some exceptions, but the number is REAL small), Ryun
(Kansas-Hot and Cold), Mills (poor, Indian Reservation), Lindgren,
Prefontaine(Oregon - Sloppy and wet), Hamilton (Wisconsin - now that is COLD
(yeah, Suzy), Samuelson (New Hampshire in February?), Kennedy (Ohio) et al,
(Please do not use Marc Davis, He is a paradigm:) All were raised in tough
environments, whether it is climatic, socio-economic, etc. I think for an
athlete to be great, sacrifices need to be made. I would challenge anyone
to list GREAT runners that grew up with a silver spoon and went onto
greatness. To be great, Sacrifices need to be made. Personally I think the
WORST thing that could happen to a great HS athlete is to give them a full
Scholarship. Make them EARN it. You have to be HUNGRY!! (Ask the Kenyans)
Fred Finke
***
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--- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998
-- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:48:27 AM
> Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << Dan,
>
> You have a great point. The weather was always a
> barrier for us in Utah as
> well. Keep in mind, however, that since I've been
> living in Southern
> California, I can't think of more than about 4 or 5
> guys that were worth
> anything at all. Keep in mind that this is on the
> collegiate level. Coming
> from Utah, and Arkansas, I personally feel it's a
> disgrace that So. Cal
> colleges can't produce more distance talent than
> they do. It's pretty bad
> really.
>
> Any thoughts.?
>
> Schiefer >>
>
> Bad coaching.
> sideshow
>
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--- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998
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t-and-f: International Men's LDR Coaching staffs announced
Hi. Fred Finke here (On behalf of the men's Long Distance Running
Committee).
Below are the selected coaching staffs for this years (2001) international
trips and World Cross Country, 2002. The nominations were made and the
Men's LDR selection committee voted on the nominations. The members of the
committee were: Bill Roe (LDR Board), Dan Browne (Athlete
Representative), Danny Grimes(Men's LDR Chair), Ed Eyestone (athlete
Representative), Fred Finke (Coaching Selection Coordinator) and Creigh
Kelly (LDR Board). Also a member of the committee initially was Basil
Honikman,
but due to his nomination, removed himself from the committee before
evaluation and voting took place. I am also including related information.
Of the
people that were initially offered positions by the executive committee,
only
one (Nancy Ditz, family obligations) had to withdraw.
Fred Finke
Coaching Selection
Coordinator
What has been done:
1. We (LDR committee) have purged the database of people to be leaders by
contacting
them and asking them if they intend/want to remain in the pool of available
leaders.
2. We have tried to cover all ranges of involvement (LDR, RRCA, Road Race
director, College, HS and former athletes, experienced leaders where needed
and rookies)
3. We have tried to put experienced people in the key positions that
demanded experience.
4. Developed a list of available candidates for each event.
5. Verified the nominators nominations if verified by someone else.
6. I have also been working with Andrea Johnson and Malaika Ware (If
anyone would like
to know, these two people are doing an INCREDIBLE job at the national
office! What a pleasure
to work with them) in updating the database of all past staff positions. I
have also expanded
the people in the database to include the people that have served as women's
team leaders. This was probably
a good idea, because I have run across several people that have been serving
both on the
men's side as well as the women's side. I am still trying to find the
staffs for 1995 and
1996 (the only years that I am missing). I have over 800 people that have
served in staff
positions in the current database.
7. Contacted everybody on the list to confirm availability.
A major problem that we have encountered and hope to correct:
Everybody wants World Cross and because of the dates (late October to Late
November) of Road Relay, World 1/2 and Chiba,(this coincides with the
College XC season and several major road races) there is a VERY short list
of available leaders. (Generally 2-5 candidates and of those, several of
them had already been on that trip).
SOLUTION: Solicit more candidates for the pool.
FINAL STAFF SELECTIONS - 2001-2002
Final staff selections for 2001-2002. We have not posted the Road Relay
because there is a great deal of question as to whether or not the event
will happen. There also has not been a date set.
Below are the staff selections for the 2001 World Half Marathon; 2001 Chiba
Ekiden, Japan; 2002 World Cross Country Championships.
The Staffs:
EVENT: 10th IAAF World Half-Marathon Champs., Bristol, England,
DATE: October 7, 2001
POSITION: TEAM LEADER
SELECTED LEADER: Mark Curp (Former Athlete, national conventions, much
experience)
NOMINATED BY: Bob Wood
CREDENTIALS VERIFIED: Yes
AVAILABLE: Yes
EVENT: Chiba International Ekiden, Japan Men's and Women's USA teams
DATE: November 23, 2001
POSITION: Manager
SELECTED LEADER : Scott Simmons (Club Coach)
NOMINATED BY: Bill Roe
CREDENTIALS VERIFIED: Yes
AVAILABLE: Yes
EVENT: Chiba International Ekiden, Japan Men's and Women's USA teams
DATE: November 23, 2001
POSITION: Coach
SELECTED LEADER: Carey Pinkowski (Chicago Marathon Race Director)
NOMINATED BY: Fred Finke
CREDENTIALS VERIFIED: Yes
AVAILABLE: Yes
EVENT: World Cross Country Championships, Lausanne, Switzerland (?)
DATE: March 2002
POSITION: Coach
SELECTED LEADER: Basil Honikman, (USATF Road Running Information Center)
NOMINATED BY: No Idea, been around forever
CREDENTIALS VERIFIED: Yes
AVAILABLE: Yes
EVENT: World Cross Country Championships, Lausanne, Switzerland (?)
DATE: March 2001
POSITION: Junior Men's leader
SELECTED LEADER: Jim Nichols (DIII College, Long time service, Level 3
Coaching Ed)
NOMINATED BY: Phil Henson
CREDENTIALS VERIFIED: Yes
AVAILABLE: Yes
On behalf of the Men's LDR I would like to congratulate the selected leaders
for their dedication to the sport and on their selections.
Fred
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t-and-f: Hayward field Layout here.
Hi Fred Finke Here. Here is the link to the layout for Hayward field. http://www.eugenechamps.com/hayward_layout.html PS - I got my ticks on West side, row 4 seats 9 & 10! 4 days *** Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ Visit me at: www.Coachnet.net ***
Re: t-and-f: X-C Nats Team Scores?
I believe the scoring is based on the top 4, as is the worlds. You may have to revise your results. :) Fred Finke --- Ryan Grote <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do they still keep "team" scores at US Winter > Nationals? If so, I was wondering in particular > about the mens 12k... > > -Nike goes 1-3-5-7-12 by my count > -adidas 2068 goes 2-9-13-30-39 by my count, and what > is 2068, by the way? > -Hanson's impressively goes 11-16-17-18-21 > -Farm Team goes 4-31-32-34-35 > -New Balance goes 8-10-14-20-?no 5th man? > -Top Unattached guys go 6-22-23-27-29 > > Thus, by my math, if you count the Nike or adidas > gatherings as a team, the standings look like: > 1. Nike-- 28 > 2. Hanson's-- 83 > 3. adidas 2068-- 93 > 4. Farm Team-- 136 > > OR, if Matt Downin, Dan Nelson, Weldon Johnson, Mike > Mykytok, and Ian Solof would have called themselves > a team (makes as much sense as the Nike and adidas > team being called a team) they would have been 4th > with 107. > > So, I still say it would be a lot more fun if teams > were organized and scored as clubs based upon where > they live/train instead of who gives them shoes and > perhaps some contract money. Hanson's and The Farm > Team do that, as do some other clubs in the meet > like Wisconsin Runner, Reebok Boston, BAA, Club > Northwest, Hoys, and so on. > > If guys are good enough to get shoe contracts, > great, let them wear their shoe company garb, but > score them with a local club. What would hurt Nike > exposure wise if Meb was counted for SoCal TC or > something? Or Culpepper for Boulder Harriers or > something? > > No biggy, I suppose, life goes on and the sport > wallows in anonymity either way. > > Grote > adiRP/MMRD > > = ***Fred Finke, LDR men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_[EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ Coach-net, Helping the High School Athlete --- \ visit me at: http://www.coachnet.net *** __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/
t-and-f: DAY 2 Complete XC trials results here.
Hi. Fred Finke here. For complete results (Compliments of USATF, Tom Surber and Harry Simonis of Oregon USATF and Crew): go to: http://www.coachnet.net *** Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ Visit me at: www.Coachnet.net ***
t-and-f: Complete Results of XC TRials here
Hi. Fred Finke Here. Again the apologies, but this is the only place to post the results including press releases. http://www.coachnet.net Enjoy. *** Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ Visit me at: www.Coachnet.net ***
t-and-f: Complete XC entry list here
Hi Fred Finke here. MEET MANAGEMENT IS AWARE THAT SOME OF THE AGES LISTED ARE INCORRECT AND ARE CORREXCTING THEM AS THE ATHLETES CHECK IN. First of all, please realize that I do NOT make any money off my site. It is just a space that I can use for posting XC and Florida hs Track related. I have posted the COMPLETE (as of 5:00 PM Washington time) entry list for all races except masters (And I will post that in about an hour). Go to: http://www.coachnet.net NOTE TO PRESS: Permission is granted to use any info that I post relating to the Nationals and World XC Trials, I just ask that you credit the source. *** Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ Visit me at: www.Coachnet.net ***
t-and-f: disturbing e-mail (Fred Finke)
Hi. Fred Finke Here. Talk about a disturbing e-mail! I got this last night and was suspicious (especially about the times). (I have deleted her personal info). Well I had a little time on my hands so I did a search and checked out her questionable stats. I WAS ABLE TO VERIFY ALMOST ALL THE TIMES. I just had to call the young lady and ask her some questions. Granted her sprint times are not national caliber, but it appears to me that converting the sprint times to distance running, she could be a force. (she was a several time college conference champ in events from the 800 to XC).Surly, a person with those types of times and obvious potential and desire knew what was available for her. She has run 4 years in college and did not know about: USATF XC Nationals or XC world Trials, different programs post collegiate, races outside of the college scene, nothing. I am not trying to blame anyone (Her college coach according to the college web site was a 2nd year coach and was obviously on a learning curve) I have tried to remove all of her personal information that would identify her directly, but if there is a coach that is willing to work with her, she has given me permission to release the info the coach. She is willing to relocate. The reason that I have posted this is strictly as a discussion piece. My questions: HOW MANY OTHER SITUATIONS LIKE THIS HAPPEN? HOW DO WE STOP LOSING PEOPLE LIKE THIS? Fred *** Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ Visit me at: www.Coachnet.net *** -Original Message- From: Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 12:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: can you help me? Hello my name is XXX and I am a former collegian athlete. I was going to just give up running but something inside still wants to do it, something inside is telling me I could be the best with the right coach. Since the being of my career in high school I laced one thing a coach I did everything on my own. But I couldn't take myself to that next level! Coaches coached me to run everything and not specialize in anything which made me good and everything but great in nothing. When it came time to run for me (like nationals) I was dead and hated to run. HELP ME! Help me gain that love of winning, the desire to be the best and most of all that love to run again. At the bottom I have placed some times I have done over the year none of these times where done fresh I never ran under 4 events in high school or college. (these were last years times) 200meters 25:03 400meters 56:00 800 meters 2:10 1 mile 4:57 1000meters 2:57 1500meters 4:35 3000meters 10:07 5000meters 17:35 10,000meters 34:35 placed second and third in the XX half marathon (different years) Hopefully, you can see I don't know what I'm suppose to run. All I know is I am a distance runner and love to run the mile. If you can help me please contact me at any time by this e-mail address or by phone at XXX-XXX-. Thank you Me p.s I will relocate! I'm attending grad school now (I graduated with a BFA in graphic design). I'm getting my grad in photography.
Re: t-and-f: Coaching selections.
Ken Brauman is a high school coach from Florida that has been heavily involved with USATF for many years. He has been on several staffs and has also published a couple of books (The Art of Coaching track and field among others). He has also had several world class athletes. Inside of usatf he has been the director of the Junior (16-20?) program since its inception. IMHO, he was a great choice. Fred Finke --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated Tue, 2 Jan 2001 12:05:14 PM > Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << > Ken Bantum - Asst. Coach > Ken Brauman - Asst. coach > Kelly Sullivan - Asst. Coach > Who are these 3? I am familiar with the rest of the > Men's coaches, very > familiar. But I do not recognize these 3. >> > > I can't speak as to coaching credentials, but note > that Bantum was the '56 > NCAA shot champ (Manhattan) and finished 4th in the > Olympics that year. > > gh ===== ***Fred Finke, LDR men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_[EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ Coach-net, Helping the High School Athlete --- \ visit me at: http://www.coachnet.net *** __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/
RE: t-and-f: The Breakfast Awards
I am a little curious as to the statement that LDR has three running committees. What are you talking about? I am only aware of one men's LDR committee. Fred Finke -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of ConwaySent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 2:09 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: t-and-f: The Breakfast Awards Darrell wrote:But we find ourselves in a time where subjectivity is pervasive! Winning gold medals, and setting world records is no longer criteria for receiving awards, if the people behind the mirror do not like you, or your affiliations. This is far worse than awarding stars, and careers. Now it is an attempt at vindication, or a power play. The politicking can be sickening, but that is nothing new. I did not know that LDR has 3 separate committees. How did that come to be? Not disagreeing with the concept, but there is one sprint committee, and nothing for the relays, nor is there a separate committee for hurdles. I may be reading too much into this structure, but it seems to go with the misconception that sprinting is a homogenous entity. Of course none of the events in track and field are the same, similar but not the same, and in most cases not requiring the same things. There needs to be more respect given to our sport from our sport. It is time we started taking ourselves as serious as we expect others to. It is becoming obvious that each discipline has special needs, and on the sprint side of things, the bureaucracy is woefully weak. There is one committee, one focal point for the problems that befall or concern relay teams, sprint individuals, and hurdlers. That is simply not fair, nor is it effective. And does this include jumpers also? That is a whole nother can o' worms. >>>>>>>> My point was the same as yours .. That the only sure awards you are going to get are the ones you win on the track or the field .. Everything else is too subjective .. As far as the number of committees, everything I have seen in the past say decade point to the fact that sprinting does need additional help/representation .. The various relay fiascoes being the focal point .. WE definitely need the creation of a sprint/relay committee to look at issues such as the creation of national relay teams/pools, as well as sprint /relay development .. But then the area that the US is weakest in (distance running) has the most committees so go figure .. Conway Hill[EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: Results of USATF Elections!
Bill Roe over Sam Bell in the runoff for President. Dee Jensen over Fred Newhouse and Terry Crawford for Veep. Darlene Hickman unopposed for Secretary. Ed Koch unopposed for Treasurer. *** Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ Coach-net, Helping the High School Athlete --- \ visit me at: http://www.coachnet.net or Sports info: http://www.DWWS.com ***
t-and-f: Who won the USATF elections?
Who won the USATF presidential and Vice presidential elections? *** Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ Coach-net, Helping the High School Athlete --- \ visit me at: http://www.coachnet.net or Sports info: http://www.DWWS.com ***
t-and-f: Emil Zatopek dies aged 78
A legend passes away. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/hi/english/athletics/newsid_1035000/1035152.stm Wednesday, 22 November, 2000, 11:12 GMT Czech legend Zatopek dies Legendary Czech athlete Emil Zatopek has died aged 78 in a Prague military hospital. Zatopek, who became a quadruple Olympic champion between 1948 and 1952, was suffering with a mystery virus which was complicated by pneumonia and a weakened heart rate. He was hospitalised after a stroke on 30 October and had been in a critical condition since. Nicknamed "the locomotive" in his prime, Zatopek won four Olympic gold medals. Born on 19 September 1922, in the north-east town of Koprivnice, Zatopek was the only athlete in Olympic history to have won three gold medals in long-distance events at a single Olympiad when he won three gold medals in Helsinki in 1952. He took gold in the 5,000m, 10,000m and the marathon to add to his medal collection from London in 1948, where he won gold in the 10,000m and silver in the 5,000m. Zatopek's victory in the marathon was particularly memorable after he had inquired whether the pace was fast enough for his rivals before racing past the finishing line to finish 700m ahead of the stunned chasing pack. "I wanted to win every time I was on the track," Zatopek told his biographers. "At Helsinki, I was tired after the 10,000m race, but I still shattered all my rivals." His successful athletic career encompassed a total of 18 world records over 15 years, including the accolade of becoming the first athlete to finish a 10,000m race under 29 minutes. Never one to follow populist trends, Zatopek eschewed the orthodox training methods in favour of his own unique style which made a significant impact on modern day athletics. Instead of practising long distances, he preferred numerous 400m circuit runs at full speed to perfect his explosive finishes, along with improving his overall stamina. Off the track, Zatopek was expelled from his senior position in the army and the Czech Communist Party after his open support for the democratic movement, known as the "Prague Spring" in 1962. Uranium mine The Communist rulers, deeply unhappy that one of the nation's biggest stars had undermined their rule, sent Zatopek to a Czech uranium mine where he was forced to work for six years. Married for 52 years with fellow-athlete Dana Ingrova, a former Olympic champion in javelin, he became the first Czech athlete to be awarded the UN's Pierre de Coubertin Prize for promoting Fair Play. The Government eventually acknowledged his contribution to Czechoslovakian sport when they employed him to work for the Ministry of Sport in 1982.
RE: t-and-f: Athens 2004: Will I go to jail for saying that?
I question whether this falls into the area of elite track and field, so you may want to delete now or write me direct at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi. Fred Finke here. This could be real interesting in the near future. I currently own the domain names: The2002Games.com, The2004Games.com, etc. among many others (specifically related to world championship events) and am negotiating for the development of such with several companies. How can the organizing committees possibly propose to stop the use of such common use terms? According to my 1st amendment attorney (I realize that I live in the US so that is the law I have to follow) that I have talked to, unless I am trying to deceive, I am free to say or use the Terms (not emblems or symbols obviously) in a manner of reporting. I even know of a particular instance where someone bought the domain "www.PorscheSucks.com" and the company REALLY went after the person and the company lost in court EVERY time and after a period of time, the company just bought the site. Another good example is www.disneysucks.com which was up for a LONG time, and currently just has a blank page there. You know that if there was anyway to have legally shut these sites down they would have. My attorney used as an example, "imagine if the Olympic Organizing committee tried to sue a newspaper every time they used the word Olympic, strictly because they (the newspaper) had not asked permission". Now, I did get a letter from a lawyer in Washington a couple of years back when I used the word Olympic in MY SITE name, saying the Amateur Sports act of 1972 protected the word Olympic and they would sue me if I did not remove it immediately (and I did). However, The way that I understand it, I can subscribe to an international news server such as Reuters or UPI and set up shop using the Domains: The2002Games.com, The2004Games.com etc, sell advertising space, Travel packages, Scalp tickets (just kidding), even sell corporate sponsorships such as "proud Sponsor of The2004Games.com" etcetera and there is nothing anyone can do about it as long as I use it in a reporting fashion. Perhaps some lawyer can help us out that has a different interpretation. I fail to see how the 2004 Oly Org. Committee can stop http://www.athletix.gr from operating. Fred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michalis Nikitaridis Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 1:31 PM To: T&F list; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Athens 2004: Will I go to jail for saying that? No News is Good News... Yesterday, we received a letter, signed by mr. Dimitrios Filis, Legal Counsellor of the "Organizing Committee of the Olympic Games - Athens 2004". - Dear Mr. Christopoulos, we are the "Organizing Committee of the Olympic Games - Athens 2004" (Athens 2004 for the rest of the letter) and you refer to us at your website at "www.athletix.gr". As you may be already aware of, the Organizing Committees of the Olympic Games have the exclusive right to use the names that are linked to the Olympiade they organize. As far as Athens 2004 is concerned, after the Laws 2598/1998 p.3 and 2819/2000 p.2, the Olympic Emblem, as well as terms like, indicatively, "Olympic", "Olympiade", "Athens 2004", "Olympic Games - Athens 2004", "Olympic Games - Greece" and any other relevant term in greek or any foreign laguage is protected by the law over emblems. Any use of the Emblem and the above terms, in the Internet, or anywhere else, without the written permission of Athens 2004 is, after the above, a legal crime, threatened by harsh penalties. Therefore, the use of the emblem, the alteration or copying of it, as well as any link to our website is allowed only after a written applocation to our Company's Marketing Section and is you are granted the permission, you may use them. [...] With reference to our goals (they are described at the part of the letter we omited) we ask you to withdraw the emblem of "Athens 2004" and all links to our website though the emblem or any relevant term or any alteration of it, which are acts that cause confusion to the users and harm us both morally and financially. We hope that you will fulfill our wish immediately and will stop using the above, without furthetmore annoyance from us or legal activities and will help in this way the common greek goal. Anticipating to your positive answer, we thank you a priori. Regards, for the "Organizing Committee of the Olympic Games - Athens 2004", Dimitrios Fiklis, Legal Counsellor. 6.11.2000
t-and-f: Follow Rob Evans (University of Florida) (hilarious!)
Rob Evans, University of Florida's lone Men's NCAA xc qualifier last season
is participating the Paralympic games in Sydney Australia. He will also be
missing the SEC meet due to his participation. Yesterday he broke the World
Record for his group in the 1500. Go to:
http://www.coachnet.net/Robevans/rob_evanindex.htm
He is sending updates and has given me permission to post them.
ENJOY!!! They are super (and hilarious) as only Rob could do!
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Fred Finke, LDR, Coach Selection Coordinator
--- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998
-- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- \/\ Coach-net, Helping the High School Athlete
--- \ visit me at: http://www.coachnet.net
or Sports info: http://www.WorldChampionships2001.com
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t-and-f: Updating of Men's LDR team leader Database: DEADLINE!
TO: All interested members
FROM: Fred Finke, Mens LDR Team leader selection coordinator
SUBJECT: Updating the Team Leader/Manager Database
Todays date: October 10,2000
DEADLINE: October 17, 2000
Dear USATF members,
At the USATF National Convention in Los Angeles, I was assigned the task of
compiling and updating the Team Leader nominations database for men's LDR.
It is from this list that the team leaders ("coaches") are selected for the
various positions of international competition. In mens LDR this generally
consists of World XC championships, World ½ Marathon Championships, Chiba
Ekiden, and the World Road Relay when it comes up. This position was part
of the enormous task that faced Basil Honikman and had become overwhelming.
I am currently in the process of updating and correcting the International
Competition Committees list for Men's Long Distance running. It is from
this list that the team leaders (coaches) and managers will selected for the
2001 Ekiden, World ½ Marathon and the 2002 World XC championships. If you
are interested or know of a member that belongs in Team Leader/manager
database listing, please complete (or have them complete) and return the
following questionnaire directly to me at:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To be considered for a staff position, some general guidelines, but not cut
in stone are the following:
1. Served the mens Long Distance Running community, (Road racing, XC, etc)
for a long period of time.
2. Participant in the USATF National Convention
3. Proven ability to work with others
4. Positive recommendations from known sources
5. International travel experience helpful
Thank you for your help and cooperation.
Fred Finke
Men's LDR Coaching selection coordinator
Name:
Address:
City:
State:
Zip Code:
Home Phone:
Work Phone:
Fax Number:
E-mail address:
Web Site:
Profession:
Language Fluency:
If Coaches Education certified, what level?:
Coaching specialties (list all):
LIST ALL INTERNATIONAL USATF TRIPS/TEAMS THAT YOU HAVE TAKEN AS A
LEADER/COACH/MANAGER (INCLUDE THE YEARS, POSITIONS, WHETHER ASST OR HEAD):
List your USATF involvement:
List any other relevant Information:
Please give at least one reference with USATF involvement:
Name:
Address:
E-mail address:
Phone Number (home):
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Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator
--- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998
-- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- \/\ Coach-net, Helping the High School Athlete
--- \ visit me at: http://www.coachnet.net
or Sports info: http://www.WorldChampionships2001.com
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RE: t-and-f: Larry Rawson (was: Re: Oslo TV)
Hi. Fred Finke Here. Funny the subject should come up. I too think that Larry does a great job and is extremely knowledgeable. I have had the chance on several occasions to work with him and while at the Grand Prix meet in Raleigh, this year, I asked him why he did not do more commentating. It seems that there are contractual obligations that will not allow him to work with networks other than espn. Too bad, he is a breathe of Fresh air. (D W I G H T , I am not slighting you, it takes several good ingredients to make a fine dessert :)) Fred *** Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ Coach-net, Helping the High School Athlete --- \ visit me at: http://www.coachnet.net or Sports info: http://www.DWWS.com *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joseph McVeigh Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 9:44 AM To: T&F List Subject: t-and-f: Larry Rawson (was: Re: Oslo TV) One reason Larry Rawson doesn't do more TV than he already does is that he has a pretty demanding "day job" (I will protect his privacy here). Plus he's in great demand as a master of ceremonies for honorary/award dinners - best I've ever seen. -- Joseph Aloysius McVeigh Morgan Stanley Dean Witter & Co. 212-761-6115 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: t-and-f: OT Media Coverage
Hi. Fred Finke Here. I don't know if it was necessarily a bad thing being classed with the Woods, Armstrong thing. If you saw the front page of USA Today, it featured all three in the headlines a la "weekend of Champions" promo. I don't know if I would want it all of the time, but IMHO, being classed with the other two performances could not hurt. I feel pretty sure that anybody reading the headlines for the first two had to have read about Marion Jones and that could not hurt. That adds golf fans and cycling fans to the mix that would not have normally read a T&F article. Strictly my opinion. Fred *** Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ Coach-net, Helping the High School Athlete --- \ visit me at: http://www.coachnet.net or Sports info: http://www.DWWS.com *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Robert Hersh Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 7:14 AM To: INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: OT Media Coverage Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > We have a hard enough time getting coverage as it is; to go up against Tiger and Lance Armstrong is simply foolish.< It certainly was a very tough day for the sport in that respect. But I must say that when the dates of the Trials were established, it would have been very hard to predict what happened on Sunday. In an ordinary year, neither the Tour de France nor the British Open would have had the drama or significance that the final day of the Trials did and going up against those two events would not have been as problematical for track and field as it turned out to be this year. Bob H [EMAIL PROTECTED]
