Re: t-and-f: Lane Assignment and Reaction Time (much ado bout nuthin)
If I read the article correctly it had more to do with the fact that it was louder for the runners nearer the gun. - Original Message - From: "Jack Moran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Dan Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 9:46 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Lane Assignment and Reaction Time (much ado bout nuthin) They do it from behind at the Drake Relays, with assistant starters watching in front. In the worst case, if a starter stood (off the track, of course) on a line with the starting line, the sound of the gun would reach the runner in lane 1 about 0.025 seconds before it reached the runner in lane 7. High-end track meets put speakers in the blocks. On Jun 21, 2008, at 11:05 PM, Dan Kaplan wrote: From: Jorma Kurry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> is there a reason why the starter could not stand behind the runners in the straightaway races at that level? Just venturing a guess... Sounds are more difficult to localize and identify when they come from behind, if I remember correctly. That uncertainty might create more jumps. Also, the starter has to wait for everyone to be still, and that's much more difficult to determine from behind. It would probably require a change of duties for the starting crew. Dan
Re: t-and-f: Lane Assignment and Reaction Time (much ado bout nuthin)
Well, I hate to clutter the list when it's already so busy, but I'm going to venture another opinion. Presumably, the meaning of significant here was limited to a statistical conclusion that there is a variation among lanes that is unlikely to be due to chance. Whether that has any practical significance remains up for debate. I would suspect that the frequency of competitions where this discrepancy has a tangible impact on the results is probably not negligible but also not likely to be hugely important, especially when the top seeds are clustered in the middle of the track for finals. However, is there a reason why the starter could not stand behind the runners in the straightaway races at that level? The recall starter could still stand in front. I'm not a starter so maybe that view is not sufficient ... - Original Message - From: "Roger Ruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Cc: "George Malley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 5:11 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Lane Assignment and Reaction Time (much ado bout nuthin) Admittedly, I'm out of my expertise range with this, but if Malmo has the differences calculated correctly, the three "gunshot" volume levels could each average an effect close to .01 seconds. Whether that might result in changes in order of finish might be examined by looking at the finishing times of finalists in the 2004 Olympics 100m. In the 100m finals, no two runners finished with the same time (to .01 second), with the top three registering 9.85, 9.86, 9.87. It seems a difference of .01sec, .007sec, .017sec might have changed any of these times. On the other hand, in a semi-final heat, Obikwelu (POR) and Green (USA) both recorded times of 9.97, but Obikwelu finished second, while Green finished third; so clearly differences of less than .01 second do affect order of finish. In the finals, however, the two runners finished in the same positions, but both ran nearly 1/10 second (not 1/00 second) faster than in the heats, so any effect of starting-pistol volume pales by comparison with other factors. Okay, I'm out of this. But I'll enjoy reading other subscribers' interpretations of the importance of the study findings.
Re: t-and-f: Lane Assignment and Reaction Time
It would only be mirrored directly if you randomized the lanes beforehand. Seeding fastest in the middle will override the differential in reaction time. The important question is whether the same athlete would run faster in 1 versus 8. - Original Message - From: "Dan Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 10:49 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Lane Assignment and Reaction Time Interesting, to say the least. It makes sense on one hand, but then why do the typical overall results not mirror that pattern? Rarely do you see the inside to outside lanes go fast-to-slow. The implication is that reaction time has little to do with overall finish. I could see the 200m being a bit different, where the starter is more toward the center of the pack on the turn, but the research addresses the straight laned races... Dan http://AbleDesign.com - Web Design & Custom Programming http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy T&F @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] <|\/ <^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax / / --- On Sat, 6/21/08, Roger Ruth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Roger Ruth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: t-and-f: Lane Assignment and Reaction Time To: t-and-f@lists.uoregon.edu Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 4:13 AM Today's edition of the Vancouver edition of Globe and Mail includes an article that's interesting, but without enough information to know how well-founded is that interest. It describes a study undertaken at the University of Alberta in which researchers examined reaction times for the 100m sprint and 110m hurdles at the 2004 Olympic Games and found that runners in the lanes closest to the starting pistol had significantly faster reaction times than those in lanes farther away. This effect was said to be especially strong for runners in lane one. Unfortunately, the dimension of this difference is not given in this report, so whether it would affect an individual's measured time in these events cannot be determined. The article says that a report on the research, by Dave Collins and Alex Brown, is published in the June issue of Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise. If any of our subscribers has access to this journal, perhaps she or he can fill us in on the over-all effect of this difference in reaction times.
Re: t-and-f: Paris Golden League Men's Steeple
If you can find footage, you really should watch. Coincidentally, it was the first meet I've watched this year on the internet and only the 3rd event. The announcer recognized the problem early on (as I'm sure any of our TV announcers would ;) ) but it only got worse. - Original Message - From: "B. Kunnath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 7:24 PM Subject: RE: t-and-f: Paris Golden League Men's Steeple not fair..tell us what happened!!! bk From: Charles Wandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Charles Wandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Listproc: UORE_TF" Subject: t-and-f: Paris Golden League Men's Steeple Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 16:10:31 -0700 (PDT) After watching the coverage on VERSUS, the only word coming to my mind after the men's steeple ooops ... (other than time to find a new job) _ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507
Re: t-and-f: Henry Rono
Great article. I know Malmo was posting info at one point about his attempt for an age-group mile record, or something of that sort. Is there an update? He's among the many greats I'd love to meet (Rono, that is :) ). - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Track List" Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 7:00 PM Subject: t-and-f: Henry Rono From the Los Angeles Times http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-crowe26mar26,1,1452093.story?coll=la-headlines-sports&ctrack=1&cset=true CROWE'S NEST Rono tries to distance himself from troubled past The runner, who broke world records in four events in short period in 1978, says his life is on the upswing after alcoholism and homelessness. By Jerry Crowe, Times Staff Writer March 26, 2007 Henry Rono, once the world's preeminent distance runner and some say the greatest of all time, probably is best known for his mind-boggling assault on the record books in the spring and summer of 1978, when he broke world records in four events over an 81-day period. "I was ahead of everybody," he says. "I wasn't competing with people. I was competing with time. It was me and the clock." The clock he could handle. The bottle, he couldn't. The Nandi tribesman from Kenya, who in 1978 was a Washington State student unprepared for the sudden fame and blinding spotlight, has battled alcoholism for nearly half his 55 years. His country's boycotts of the 1976 and 1980 Olympics denied him an international showcase, and he says unscrupulous managers and corrupt Kenyan track and field officials, combined with his own erratic behavior, left him penniless. Rono notes in his soon-to-be-published autobiography that he was so down on his luck in the mid-1990s - homeless and out of prospects - that he showed up at Nike headquarters in Beaverton, Ore., and pleaded for a job cleaning floors. His former sponsor, the great runner says, turned him away. If that was a low point for Rono, it was one of many. He says that he was intermittently homeless through much of the 1980s and '90s, was arrested more than once for driving while drunk, and drifted in and out of rehabilitation centers more times than he cares to remember. Friends took him in, then threw him out when his drinking got out of control. In steadier times, he worked as an airport skycap. He parked and washed cars. But all that is past, Rono says. His life is on the upswing. After shuttling from town to town for years, he says, he finally settled 11 years ago in Albuquerque. He says he has been sober for the last five. A full-time teacher pursuing a graduate degree in special education, he has taken a year off from work to write his recently completed memoirs and train for the Masters World Track & Field Championships in September in Italy. On Sunday, he will compete in the Carlsbad 5K, and before the year is out he hopes to establish an age-group world record in the mile. "I want to alert the public that I am back into running," he told race organizers in Carlsbad after signing on for their event. "I want to teach people that you can come back from the streets and being homeless and recover your life again." The 5-foot-8 Rono, whose weight once ballooned to 220 pounds, says he is down to 165, 20 less than he weighed in December, when he ran in a 5K in Cincinnati and said, after spying a photo of himself, "I look like a heavyweight boxer." His goal, he says, is to slim down to about 140. That's what he weighed as a 26-year-old sophomore in April 1978, when in a dual meet at Berkeley he set a world record of 13 minutes 8.4 seconds in the 5,000 meters. A month later, in Seattle, he established a steeplechase mark of 8:05:4, and a month after that, in Vienna, he set a record of 27:22:47 in the 10,000 meters. Sixteen days later, in Oslo, he set his fourth world record: 7:32.1 in the 3,000 meters. "It was amazing," he says, "but the way the media was handling my success was intimidating. I was not prepared for that. It was very stressful." Don Franken, a longtime track promoter and president of a sports celebrity talent agency, says Rono was "a fish out of water," struggling to find his way. "It was such a culture shock coming here from Kenya," Franken says. "He was lost - and he had an addiction. You could call him a tragedy, but how many people set four world records in such a short span of time?" Rono's records in the 3,000 and the steeplechase stood for years, but by the early 1980s, he was drinking heavily. He started showing up drunk at races, or not showing up at all. But his talent was so immense that, in September 1981, he reportedly got drunk the night before a race in Oslo, ran for an hour early the next morning to sweat out the alcohol, then set a world record in the 5,000 that night. Those days are long past, but Rono says his life has changed for the better. No longer homeless, he bought a house a few years ago. "I feel happy
Re: t-and-f: Come and see my photos
I signed up too and also gave them Malmo's social security number, mother's maiden name, ... - Original Message - From: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Roger Ruth'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Tom Derderian'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 8:47 PM Subject: RE: t-and-f: Come and see my photos What virus? There's no viruses there. I gave them my social security number, mother's maiden name, address and phone number, date and place of birth, checking account pin number, credit card numbers, expiration date and three digit number on the back, and I saw a lot of beautiful landscapes and still-life photos. Sign up, it doesn't cost anything malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Ruth Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 8:04 PM To: Tom Derderian Cc: t-and-f@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: t-and-f: Come and see my photos My point, too, Tom. Also looks like a real invitation for downloading a virus. On Friday, February 24, 2006, at 03:32 PM, Tom Derderian wrote: Nope, list killer. Who is going to give out their e-mail for unknown photos? On Feb 24, 2006, at 4:53 PM, Jorma Kurry wrote: this ought to get the list going. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey there, Check out my photos.. ;-) http://shareinternetfiles.com/join-me.php?n=David
Re: t-and-f: Come and see my photos
this ought to get the list going. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey there, Check out my photos.. ;-) http://shareinternetfiles.com/join-me.php?n=David
Re: t-and-f: Boston Indoor 2 Mile Results
What I've heard second-hand is that the rabbit was somewhat inconsistent. Reports of 1:55 at the 800? I find that hard to believe, but that's what I heard. Then 4:04ish at the mile. Supposedly 7 together with 600m to go. - Original Message - From: "B. Kunnath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 9:53 AM Subject: t-and-f: Boston Indoor 2 Mile Results 1 Craig Mottram AUS 8:26.54 2 Sileshi Sihine ETH 8:27.03 3 Alistair Cragg IRE 8:27.39 4 Tariku Bekele ETH 8:27.56 5 Boaz Cheboiywo KEN 8:27.75 6 Dan Lincoln USA 8:27.85 7 Abebe Dinkessa ETH 8:28.22 8 Markos Geneti ETH 8:29.13 9 Ian Dobson USA 8:32.77 10 Gebre Gebremariam ETH 8:34.82 11 Reid Coolsaet CAN 8:37.37 12 Ryan Hall USA 8:37.74 -- Geoffrey Rono KEN DNF Seems like slow times for some fast runners...anyone know what it was like out there? bk
Re: t-and-f: Where did the list go?
i'm here, wish i had something valuable to add. - Original Message - From: "Tom Derderian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 8:41 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Where did the list go? I'm listening. Tom Derderian, but I have no clues. On Jan 25, 2006, at 8:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, I haven't contributed to the list in a long time and now only occasionally peruse the digest version. But I just received the digest version today with posts dating as far back as November. Is this list dead or is Roger the only person left living on the list? Could it be that the UofOregon change in service put an end to most incoming posts? There used to be some interesting banter on this list. Not that I have much time for it anymore, but at least there was a heartbeat. I know I participate mainly on the racewalk list, but it's hard to believe that there's very little left here. Any clues? Allen James
Re: t-and-f: Shocker
I'm getting the messages and thankful to you and R. Schmidt. Jorma - Original Message - From: "Roger Ruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 12:34 PM Subject: t-and-f: Shocker I'm surprised that the t-and-f mailing list has been so quiet, prior to the world championships. Maybe my membership has gone astray? This post will at least answer that question. Injury plagued Godina fails to advance to Shot Put final Saturday 6 August 2005 Helsinki - 3-time World Shot Put champion John Godina was the first major casualty of the 10th IAAF World Championships in Athletics in Helsinki as the American failed to qualify for this afternoon’s final. This year’s World leader with a 22.20 metre performance set back in May, Godina has struggled with a series of injuries and illnesses which seriously affected his chances of performing well here in Helsinki. Indeed, the 33-year-old could only manage a best throw of 19.54m in this morning's qualification round, well below the qualifying standard of 20.25m. “I suffered from a torn ligament in my foot back in June, then I had an inflamed bursa in my right elbow at the US Championships and ten days after than I strained the biceps in my left elbow,” said a resigned Godina after this morning’s competition. “Ten days after that I suffered from a hand injury and to cap it all I had two stomach viruses in London and lost 10 pounds.” “Basically that’s why I sucked today!” he concluded with a smile. “I haven’t been able to train properly since June and you can’t compete at this level without good training. I just wish I had had another six weeks to get back in shape.” Helsinki 2005 will be the first IAAF World Championships where Godina doesn’t make the final; gold medal winner in 1995, 1997 and 2001 the three-time American champion was also a finalist in Seville 1999 and Paris 2003. “Despite all these injuries I was never going to miss out on the World Championships. I came and did the best I could which today was not enough. The Shot Put is hard work nowadays!” “To be honest I was still hoping to get a medal today but things didn’t work out that way.” Godina’s mood didn’t seem to be that affected by today’s disappointment and the experienced American is keen to set the record straight in upcoming events. “I’m not sure whether this marks the end of my season or not. I will have to sit down and think about it tonight but probably yes, I will end it here.” “Will I be back for Osaka? Of course I will. I will even be in London 2012! That’s no doubt about it!” Godina’s predictions for tonight’s final “Definitely Christian (Cantwell) is the favourite, just because he is so strong physically and mentally. I think he should be up there for the gold medal. After that I think the silver medal should be between Joachim (Olssen) and Adam (Nelson).”
Re: t-and-f: October 15th meet
this must be the funniest post on t-and-f in at least a year. although the competition has been admittedly weak. - Original Message - From: "Bill Purves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 8:06 PM Subject: t-and-f: October 15th meet If you really don't mind travelling, there's a meet in Hong Kong that weekend. The weather will be warm, but you won't find any D1 talent. Quick Silver Hong Kong
Re: t-and-f: Best Vaulters with Bamboo, Metal
I'm sure this has been done and probably answered on this list before, but what would people project as the top marks ever had people continued vaulting only on bamboo or metal poles? Jorma - Original Message - From: "Roger Ruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 5:32 PM Subject: t-and-f: Best Vaulters with Bamboo, Metal > A friend recently wrote to ask whether 1960 Olympic Siver Medalist Ron > Morris ever cleared 15' with a bamboo pole. As usual, when I know I'm in > over my head, I forwarded the question to Gérard Dumas, the greatest vault > statistician ever. And as usual, Gérard not only answered the question > (no), but provided a great amount of other information on bamboo and metal > pole bests. I asked him for permission to forward his answer to some sites > where subscribers might be interested. > > 10 Best Vaulters with Metal Poles: > > 4.82,6 15'9 3/4"Bob Gutowski 14.06.1957 Austin > 4.82i 15'9 1/4"Don Bragg13.02.1959 Philadelphia > 4.78 15'8"John Cramer 23.06.1962 Walnut > 4.77,5 15'8"Ron Morris 24.06.1961 New York > 4.72,4i15'6"Bob Richards 09.02.1957 New York > 4.70 15'5"Manfred Preussger14.10.1961 Magdeburg, GER > 4.69,9 15'5"Jim Graham 19.05.1959 Norman > 4.67,315'4" J. D. Martin 21.05.1960 Ames, Iowa > 4.67,315'4" Henry Wadsworth 21.06.1961 New York > 4.6515'3 1/8" Janis Krassovski 17.07.1960 Moscow > > > > 10 Best Vaulters with Bamboo Poles: > > 4.78,5i15'8 1/4"Cornelius Warmerdam 20.03.1943 Chicago > 4.54,6 14'11" Bill Sefton 29.05.1937 Los Angeles > 4.54,6 14'11" Earle Meadows29.05.1937 Los Angeles > 4.52 14'10" Vitaliy Chernobai30.09.1957 Odessa > 4.47,3 14'8 1/8"Richmond Morcom 10.07.1948 Evanston > 4.47 14'8"Kenneth Dills07.06.1940 Compton > 4.46,1 14'7 5/8"George Varoff03.07.1937 Milwaukee > 4.46 14'7 5/8"Pyotr Denisenko 13.09.1954 Kiev > 4.45,314'7 5/8 Guinn Smith 17.05.1947 Modesto > 4.44,414'7" Loring Day 23.04.1938 Los Angeles > > BTW--(RR)--If the metric/imperial conversions don't agree with those in > your little green book, it's probably because the rules on measurement and > conversion have changed since these marks were established. We no longer > measure to the nearest millimeter or 1/8". There's also the possibility of > my typing errors. > > > Gérard's comments: > > Boo Morcom did not remember whether his 4.49,5i (14'9") at Cleveland on > March 18,1949 was made with bamboo or metal. > > I talked to Bob Richards several times in 1981-89 and tried to find out > what was his best with bamboo. He said that he never cleared more than 14'6 > 1/8 (4.42,2) with bamboo (Evanston 10.07.1948). > > A few contemporary vaulters have tried bamboo poles. Each time it was a bit > of a fiasco. In 1982, I saw Thierry Vigneron (best on fiberglass 5.91/19'4 > 1/2") and Philippe Houvion (best on fiberglass 18'11") do 4.43m (14'6") > with bamboo. The poles were bending quite a bit and not safe. .The guys > were petrified, especially Houvion, who was near 200 pounds at the time. > After that clearance, they didn't try higher, although by then they were > used to the flexible poles. Hardly fair to have people try bamboo these > days--all those changes in runways, grip height, pits, etc., etc. > > > > > >
Re: t-and-f: Coaches of Foot Locker Qualifiers
Ben True '03 and '04 and Molly Dinan '94 (?) both ran for Greely HS in Cumberland ME, but had different coaches, Ben coached by David Dowling and Molly by Danny Paul. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ""Ricky Quintana"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 5:33 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Coaches of Foot Locker Qualifiers > Jim Harvey was the private coach of Deresa Walter and John Horkheimer, both ran at the national HS race in the late '80's, '87 and '88 I believe. Deresa and John ran for schools out of Rochester NY. > > Mike Platt > > In a message dated 11/30/2004 2:55:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Ricky Quintana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >Saturday at the South Regional Championships at McAlpine Park in Charlotte, > >NC, Kelly Parrish of Vanguard, Ocala, FL finished 8th to qualify for the > >Foot Locker Cross Country Nationals. > >In 2002, Vanguard's Steven Hassen also qualified for nationals finishing 4th > >at the south regional. > >They were both coached by James Travieso. > >My question is, other than Greg Weich(sp?) of Smoky Hill,Aurora, CO who else > >has coached a boy and girl qualifer for the Foot Locker/Kinney Cross Country > >Nationals? > >Any help would be appreciated. > >Ricky Quintana > > > >_ > >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > >
t-and-f: Rensselaer Polytechnic looking for an assistant
I don't think this went through so I'm trying again: Posted for a friend: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute invites applications for the position of: Assistant Track & Field / Cross Country Coach - Athletic Department Intern. This is a 9 month position. The candidate will be responsible to assist the head coach in all phases of a successful NCAA Division III Men's and Women's XC / Track & Field program. Primary responsibilities include: recruiting, home meet management, webpage upkeep, and daily event coaching duties. Benefits include: $9,360, room, medical and dental insurance coverage, and graduate course tutition reimbursement. Interested candidates should submit a resume, letter of application, and a list of 3 references to: Colin Tory, Head XC / Track & Field Coach, AS & RC, RPI, 110 8th Street, Troy, NY 12180 or send by email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Grote tri's something new
I was at his race last year (went to watch an old roommate). let's just say that after 6 hours of competing in the hills and cold rain, he looked even more ghostly than usual, for those who've had the good fortune to meet grote in person. - Original Message - From: "Jones, Carleton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 11:32 AM Subject: t-and-f: Grote tri's something new > For you old-timers on the list, look who placed 14th at the recent Lake > Placid Ironman: > > 14 09:29:35 GROTE RYAN BERNARDSVILL NJ > > Not bad! Run time was 3:08:50 for the concluding marathon. > > Full results here: > > http://www.ironmanusa.com/results/index.php > > Cheers, > Buck Jones > >
t-and-f: hs decathlon scoring tables
Can somebody direct me to a source? Thanks, Jorma
Re: t-and-f: AOW
Is that a threat? - Original Message - From: "Herb Finkelstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Keep it up, and you'll start getting the kind of regard E. Garry does.
Re: t-and-f: USATF Release: Mascot name game continues
Hmm, "buzz" they call it? My brother-in-law, a casual sports fan, read the Slate article recently and asked me over the holiday what I thought of the new mascot. He basically seemed to think if we were going to use a borrowed mascot, it should at least be a good one. Jorma - Original Message - > Name Game continues for USATF mascot > > INDIANAPOLIS - USA Track & Field's new mascot, the subject of a great deal > of buzz on the Internet and in print, soon will have a name. . More than 3,000 suggestions for a mascot name have > been made thus far on USATF's Web site, though not all suggestions can be > reproduced in a family-friendly press release. All the name suggestions - > good, bad and "creative" - have helped make the mascot naming contest the > biggest Internet success in USATF's history. > > Rob Walker of the online magazine Slate.com in December wrote an article on > the mascot, instantly making it news in non-sports media. At the same time, > Track & Field News - whose editor, E. Garry Hill, was quoted by Walker in > Slate - conducted an online survey (www.trackandfieldnews.com) to determine > what the track public thinks of the mascot, and numerous newspapers and > magazines have carried news of the mascot as well.
a tangent to Re: t-and-f: yelling at runners (was: favortie sport...)
Does anybody else ever feel like they're being pulled to the side of a bridge when they're running across one? I don't know if it's my paranoia/fear of heights, latent suicidal tendencies or some other effect. The only other person I ever brought it up with said he felt the same way. Jorma - Original Message - From: "Dan Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > --- ghill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This sounds so crazy I think I must be making it up, but did I read > > somewhere once (urban myth?) that there's some kind of "inherent > > targeting mechanism" in the brain that actually leads drivers in > > certain cases to swerve towards people (not just runners) on the side > > of the road? Not with any malice; sort of a can't-help-it thing. > > It's common knowledge in mountain biking that if you look at the rock > you're trying to avoid, you'll hit it regardless. The same holds true for > most anything: Look at it and you will unintentionally veer that > direction. In the case of runners on the side of the road (I agree with > Kurt Bray's assessment), we really are a novelty to much of the > population. As such, it's only natural that people will look over and > veer toward said runners whether or not they mean harm. > > I would also add that I've received all sorts of heckling and profanities > pretty much everywhere I've run, with the major exception being Vancouver, > B.C. > > Dan > > = > http://AccountBiller.com - MyCalendar, D-Man, ReSearch, etc. > http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy T&F > > @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <|\/ <^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) > _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax >/ / > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com >
Re: t-and-f: No Subject
Of course, unless The Times means last year as in "nearly 24 months ago", then he set the record while a freshman in college. I assume they mean early 2001, which could more accurately be called 2 years ago at this point. - Original Message - > His PR, which he set last year as the high school national record, is > 2:23.68.
Re: t-and-f: [Fwd: trivia] answer
Come on, Randy, it's a trivia question, not a national team appointment :). lighten up. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > And I posit that a "World Record Holder" refers to the best > performance across all age spectrums. > Radcliffe is a world record holder (marathon "world best" > at least). > Welch is not, any more than somebody who has the best 200m > time out of lane 2 on a Tuesday afternoon. Age group records > are simply age group records, they are not world records. > > It is impossible to have two female marathon world record > holders simultaneously, unless they have posted the exact > same time. > > Bring on the flames :) > > RT > > > > On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:19:35 -0500, you wrote: > > >Except there is no such thing as a marathon "world record", only a "world > >best". > > > >- Ed Parrot > >- Original Message - > >From: "jim mclatchie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "track" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 8:23 PM > >Subject: t-and-f: [Fwd: trivia] answer > > > > > >> > >> > >> / > >> > >> A change of pace from the Mitchell dilemma. > >> > >> What 2 athletes who were born in the same city, hold world records at the > >same distance? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> --- > >> > >> The athletes were born in Bedford, England > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Females > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Marathon > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Paula Radcliffe and Priscilla Welch (master record holder 2:26) > >> > >> Plus Paula's grandmother taught Priscilla in Primary School. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >
Re: t-and-f: FW: April Fool's day at USATF Convention
Maybe that's appropriate as another sport in which the US is slowly losing it's spot as a prominent player in world competition. Let's hope that the 2003 Worlds are more succesful for the US T&F team than the WBC were for the USA Basketball team. Jorma - Original Message - > Maybe we should call him Bounce, since that is what his name was before he > was recycled from the World Basketball Championships that were in > Indianapolis this summer: >
Re: t-and-f: South FL Fr/SO Girls?
According to DyeStat, she was discouraged from doing so by meet organizers. That's a shame, as her time was superior to the overall winner in the seeded girls. I would assume that she's rather frustrated now. Jorma - Original Message - From: "tom Murrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Walt, > > Does anyone have insight as to why the winner of the Fr/So girls race > (Katie Albright (9) Wake Forest, NC17:51.87) in Charlotte did not > enter the seeded race? > > Tom > > >
Re: t-and-f: New England Intercollegiate XC Champs 10/11
Has anyone yet heard anything about last year's Footlocker winner and current Middlebury College student, Amber Trotter? She's listed on their roster on the website, but I've seen no results. Jorma
Re: t-and-f: Constitutional rights and Title IX
While I hate to see this topic raised on the list (it brings up long and only tangentially related subjects to elite track), here's my take on Ed's position. Yes, it is lamentable that administrator's use Title IX as an excuse to cut programs. However, every potential division I athlete does get a tryout. It's four years long. It's called high school. Could they develop? Yes. So could some people who actually get cut in college. There are over 300 Division I schools and probably another 1000 JUCO/NAIA/DivII/DivIII etc schools. If you want to compete, go to a school that wants you. Yes, you've got a right to try out. You don't have a right to try out for whatever team you want. You have to earn that. Jorma - Original Message - > Netters: > > The point has been raised that there is no constituional right to > participate in any school activity, including athletics. > > Well, there is in NJ as enunciated in that Harris case I have > previously outlined. > The argument against a constituional right is often used by state > associations when they try to trample on the rights of "student athletes," > but it is a false one. Of course, no one has a :right" to be on the field > when a football game begins or a gun sounds. That privilege is earned by > hard work and talent. But there is a right to try out for the team (or a > play, or a band) and that is what is being denied. > > Several court decisions in recent years have backed my argument. In > a transfer case involving a foreign student, a Pennsylvania judge told the > PIAA that, if it could prove the school had recruited the boy (it hadn't), > he might go along with their ineligibility ruling; otherwise, forget it. In > a northweestern state, a judge said that the right to partcipate in athletes > must be the same as to particopate in any other extra-curricular activity. > (If you really want to raise a storm, try to keep a boy of girl musician > from trying out for the school band!) > > Ed Grant . > >
t-and-f: Ryan Grote's email
Sorry for the useless message for most. Does anybody have Ryan Grote's email address? (or is he still on the list?) Jorma
Re: t-and-f: Aussie legend 'supports drug use'
Well, as long as we're leveling the playing field, can i have some springs for? or at least a timer with a dying battery? As for records at and above 1500m, how about Hissou, El Guerrouj and Morceli? They were (or are) all record threats (or breakers) in the last few years, between 1500 and 10k. I'm not sure where they're from in their countries, but the population certainly seems to be clustered below 1000m. - Original Message - ... > "If it's not dangerous, no (it should not be banned), it just levels the > playing field," Clarke was quoted as saying. > > "As soon as something comes along like EPO...they'll say it's a drug and you > can't use it (but) it's the only thing that levels the playing field." > ... > "We'll never break another world record by our sea level athletes from > 1,500m or above for another century."
Re: t-and-f: Montana State Meet results
Our state coaches' association spoke a few years ago of limit changes and we were presented with a sample of what some states have in effect. If I remember, they ranged from one open, one relay (Mass?) to any 10 (Arkansas?). This was about 6 years ago. I assume that if that was true, it was for the purpose of decathlon scoring? As for national rules (someone else's message here), there are still several states that run non-standard events (eg VT running 3k/1500m) and even additional events (Maine racewalk). Jorma - Original Message - > The National rules are in effect IF THERE ARE NO STATE RULES THAT SUPERCEDE > THE NATIONAL RULES. Example, in Florida at the state championships in Palm > Beach County (I thought I would give you a set up for a counting joke), the > athletes were allowed a maximum of 5 events of which no more than 3 could be > running events. BTW, the event rules goes for the entire track season. > Florida is a member of the National Association. > > Fred > > > *** > Fred Finke, LDR Men's Coach Selection Coordinator >--- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 >-- <^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- \/\ Visit me at: www.Coachnet.net > *** > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Beattie > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 1:01 AM > To: track and field list; Tony Banovich > Subject: Re: t-and-f: Montana State Meet results > > > Hmmm... > > Montana must not belong to the National Federation, which stipulates in its > rule book that a high school athlete can compete in no more than 4 events in > a meet. I would think with this girl having a hand in racking up 70 points > in the state meet (did Conrad win the championship?) a half way savvy coach > from another team might file a protest! > > > *John Beattie* > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - Original Message - > From: "Tony Banovich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Jack Shepard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "John Dye" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Mike > Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "track and field list" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 6:48 PM > Subject: t-and-f: Montana State Meet results > > > > Following are the highlights from the State H.S. meets May 24th and 25th > in > > Montana. State AA and C (largest and smallest schools in Butte - > elevation > > 5,600' +-), A & B in Missoula (elev. = 3,200 +-). > > > Okay now, get ready for this. As outstanding as Heidi Lane ran, this girl > > may have stolen the show. Can anyone say heptathlete. > > Lonnie Perkins. Conrad. Day 1 - LJ @ 16-11 1/2. Day 2 - 100 @ 12.47, > 200 > > @ 25.40, 400 @ 55.99 (new state record), HJ @ 5-4, 400 relay @ 50.45, 1600 > > relay @ 4:05.49. All 1st places. That's right, 5 individual golds and 2 > > relay golds, with 6 of the 7 on the 2nd day of competition. > > > > > > Class C: > > > > And, if it hadn't been for Perkins, this girl would have shone very, very > > brightly. > > Cody Halsey. Harlowtown. 100 @13.13, 200 @26.39, 400 @ 59.48, 800 @ > > 2:20.34, 400 relay @ 57.46, 1600 relay @ 4:10.36. 4 individual golds and > 2 > > relay golds. > > > > > > >
Re: t-and-f: AP STORY: Tulane drops men's track programs
This is the same ridiculous line that is always used in these situations. If it's not about the money, then why not start more women's teams rather than cut the men? To paraphrase on GH's favorite quote sources, Jim Rome, when they say it's not about the money, it's about the money. Jorma - Original Message - > > ``The main issue is not money. It's bringing the > participation rate in line,'' athletic director Rick > Dickson said. > > Fifty-one percent Tulane's students are female, but 68 > percent of its student-athletes are male, according to > Dickson.
t-and-f: yd conversions
I know this is a common and repeated topic, so please reply off-list. We're trying to update/fill in school record lists in a case where the imperial performances were deleted in the early '80's. Can someone(s) give me the accepted conversions for these races 100y, 220y, 440y, 880y, mile, 2mile, 440relay, mile relay, 2-mile relay, 880 relay, 120hh (hs)? Thanks, Jorma PS if you only have some, whatever you have will do.
Re: t-and-f: Borzakovskiy out of Worlds
Hasn't something like this happened with Borzakovskiy before? Also, is he coached by a woman? The name of his coach is almost certainly feminine, unless my Russian skills have totally left me, yet it refers to the coach as "he." Jorma - Original Message - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/hi/english/athletics/newsid_1443000/1443749.stm However, coach Yekaterina Podkopayeva said that he would be talking to Borzakovsky about his decision. "Yuriy is giving a great present to his rivals, I can not understand why he is running from the World Championships, " said Podkopayeva.
