RE: t-and-f: Sydney notes...
Cathy's last 200m split was supposedly fast - roughly 25.0 after a 24.0 first 200. Pretty sure she hasn't raced a comp 800m yet. Freeman's 'next best' event potentially could be the 400H (hello Irina!) - Cathy ran 14.0 for 100m Hurdles as a 15yo over a decade ago. Regards - GT - http://homepages.go.com/~oztrack/ -Original Message- From: Dan Kaplan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 4 October 2000 7:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Sydney notes... Watching Freeman last week in the 400, I was wondering what she might be capable of in an 800. Has she ever run one? Did anyone get 50m or 100m splits on her gold medal run? The time wasn't spectacular, but she sure did motor down the home stretch. I can't help but think she'd be much more competitive at 800 than at 200 (not to take anything away from a 200m finalist who has beaten very good runners at the distance), possibly even a threat to Mutola's throne. Mutola is known for her kick, but is much slower than Freeman in terms of foot speed and looks less like an endurance athlete. Of course, that brings us back to the 200 being more "fun" than the 800, so why bother... Dan
RE: t-and-f: Sydney notes...
Irena Szewinska (POL) won 100/200/400/4x100/LJ medals in Olympic competition. For the most dissimilar Olympic medal double, the possible winner might be one of these: Stan Rowley (AUS) - 1900 GOLD 5000m XC Team Race (not that he earned it!) plus 1900 BRONZE 60m BRONZE 100m BRONZE 200m Babe Didriksen 1932 GOLD 80H 1932 GOLD JAV and 1932 SILVER HJ Micheline Ostermayor (FRA) - 1948 GOLD Shot GOLD Discus BRONZE HJ Alexandra Chudina (RUS) 1952 BRONZE HJ and 52 SILVER Javelin Regards - Graham Thomas - http://homepages.go.com/~oztrack -Original Message- From: R.T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 4 October 2000 12:45 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Sydney notes... Related question, prior to this year has there ever been an athlete, male or female, who medaled in an Olympics or World Championships in both the Long Jump and either the open 400 or 4x400? That has to be one of the widest 'dissimilarity' of top-level performance in events ever seen, perhaps comparable to medaling in both the Pole Vault and High Jump.
Re: t-and-f: Sydney notes...
Related question, prior to this year has there ever been an athlete, male or female, who medaled in an Olympics or World Championships in both the Long Jump and either the open 400 or 4x400? That has to be one of the widest 'dissimilarity' of top-level performance in events ever seen, perhaps comparable to medaling in both the Pole Vault and High Jump. To me this double is only slightly more unexpected than medalling in the Long Jump/100 combination. Medaling in the Pole Vault and High Jump in the era of fiberglass poles would be much more unlikely. The Long Jump/400 combo makes no less sense than a 100/400 combo or an 800/5000 combo, both of which have been done recently (Aouita's 800/5000 were at two different Olympics). - Ed Parrot
Re: t-and-f: Sydney notes...
In a message dated 00-10-01 16:32:27 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A comment by MJ after the long relay is revealing- she said something to the effect that she will never train seriously for the 400m, such as to go after the WR, because she doesn't like the way her body feels after a 400 race. In other words (my own summation) she feels 'comfortable' after a 100m or 200m, but 'uncomfortable' after a 400m. No kidding! I know to this distance-running-centric list, her comment will sound like: a) laziness b) wimpy c) no heart I'm not sure what the answer is. To be fair to MJ, I heard Gwen Torrence say the same thing about the 400m. Bottom line, the 400m is a race that "hurts". Larry A. Morgan
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In a message dated 00-10-01 16:32:27 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A comment by MJ after the long relay is revealing- she said something to the effect that she will never train seriously for the 400m, such as to go after the WR, because she doesn't like the way her body feels after a 400 race. In other words (my own summation) she feels 'comfortable' after a 100m or 200m, but 'uncomfortable' after a 400m. No kidding! I know to this distance-running-centric list, her comment will sound like: a) laziness b) wimpy c) no heart I'm not sure what the answer is. To be fair to MJ, I heard Gwen Torrence say the same thing about the 400m. Bottom line, the 400m is a race that "hurts". Larry A. Morgan No sprinter that can be successful at 100 and 200 wants to "seriously" run the 400 .. Why ?? If you can be successful and not hurt why hurt to be successful ?? Just common sense .. Historically there have been many sprinters, male and female, who would've been very good at 400 .. But they were good at 100 200 so why bother .. I will probably get a lot of arguments but the 400 800 are probably the toughest events on the track .. So if you can be successful somewhere else why bother .. The gains that there have been in the women's 400 have been by athletes who have "moved up" to it either through lack of success at the shorter sprints - like Freeman or Perec .. Or moved up through age as they got on in their careers - Szewinska, Cheeseborough, Brisco .. Or from countries that targeted talent and made it run the 400 - Koch, Kratochvilova, Kocembova, Bush .. But something other than just saying I can be good here made them do it .. I would be willing to bet that if MJ (Michael) had had an opportunity to be a 9.8x man in addition to the 200 that he might never have run the 400 either .. It's just not typically the race of choice .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Sydney notes...Jeff Williams
John Smith once allegedly made the comment that US Atlanta Olympic sprinter Jeff Williams could have been the next big thing in the 400M. If he was prepared to put in the work and suffer the pain. Tony Craddock At 12:10 PM 10/3/00 -0700, Conway wrote: In a message dated 00-10-01 16:32:27 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A comment by MJ after the long relay is revealing- she said something to the effect that she will never train seriously for the 400m, such as to go after the WR, because she doesn't like the way her body feels after a 400 race. In other words (my own summation) she feels 'comfortable' after a 100m or 200m, but 'uncomfortable' after a 400m. No kidding! I know to this distance-running-centric list, her comment will sound like: a) laziness b) wimpy c) no heart I'm not sure what the answer is. To be fair to MJ, I heard Gwen Torrence say the same thing about the 400m. Bottom line, the 400m is a race that hurts. Larry A. Morgan No sprinter that can be successful at 100 and 200 wants to seriously run the 400 .. Why ?? If you can be successful and not hurt why hurt to be successful ?? Just common sense .. Historically there have been many sprinters, male and female, who would've been very good at 400 .. But they were good at 100 200 so why bother .. I will probably get a lot of arguments but the 400 800 are probably the toughest events on the track .. So if you can be successful somewhere else why bother .. The gains that there have been in the women's 400 have been by athletes who have moved up to it either through lack of success at the shorter sprints - like Freeman or Perec .. Or moved up through age as they got on in their careers - Szewinska, Cheeseborough, Brisco .. Or from countries that targeted talent and made it run the 400 - Koch, Kratochvilova, Kocembova, Bush .. But something other than just saying I can be good here made them do it .. I would be willing to bet that if MJ (Michael) had had an opportunity to be a 9.8x man in addition to the 200 that he might never have run the 400 either .. It's just not typically the race of choice .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Sydney notes...
Related question, prior to this year has there ever been an athlete, male or female, who medaled in an Olympics or World Championships in both the Long Jump and either the open 400 or 4x400? That has to be one of the widest 'dissimilarity' of top-level performance in events ever seen, perhaps comparable to medaling in both the Pole Vault and High Jump. RT
Re: t-and-f: Sydney notes...
1- Marion should've gotten five. Marion displays just a bit of immaturity when dealing with questions about the LJ. I don't think it would be disloyal to get some extra help from people who have tremendous resumes', such as a Carl Lewis or a JJK...or Bob Kersee and Tom Tellez. She also always mentions that Trevor Graham was there for her when no one was there. I don't think MJ gave anyone a chance to know she was back. Not saying that Graham is not doing a tremendous job, I'm saying be fair to everyone else. A comment by MJ after the long relay is revealing- she said something to the effect that she will never train seriously for the 400m, such as to go after the WR, because she doesn't like the way her body feels after a 400 race. In other words (my own summation) she feels 'comfortable' after a 100m or 200m, but 'uncomfortable' after a 400m. No kidding! I know to this distance-running-centric list, her comment will sound like: a) laziness b) wimpy c) no heart I'm not sure what the answer is. But if she 'shy's away' from discomfort, might that tendancy reveal itself in practice as well as competition? The long jump requires a lot of hard technical work. It's not just a 'fun sprint session' (the HSI camp will probably flame me for that! :-). Is she willing to pay the price for serious long jump training? The answer might not be coaching- it might be inside Marion herself. Is she only willing to continue to rely on 99% raw talent instead of using that as a base to build on to explore uncharted territory? If so, then I would say YES, she's lazy. RT
