Re: t-and-f: Track Movies (was Bruce Dern)
Before he made his mark making the first Hannibal movie and coming up with Miami Vice and eventually The Insider, Michael Mann co-wrote and directed the made for TV The Jericho Mile which IMHO was excellent even if just for the music. Watching Peter Strauss run those sub four minute miles to the strains of Sympathy for the Devil could get you out the front door anytime. Regards, Martin - Original Message - From: Tom Derderian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Edward Koch [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 6:40 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Track Movies (was Bruce Dern) I think one can't and shouldn't make movies about running. The drama of training and racing is it's own theater. One can make movies about plot, character, and action in a running setting but if one tries to make a movie to show the viewer how it feels to race, and how it feels to watch a race it will always fail when compared to the real thing. Tom Derderian - Original Message - From: Edward Koch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 4:08 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Track Movies (was Bruce Dern) We had another thread about track/running movies some time back and I went to my latest edition of Leonard Maltin's Movie Guide to check the star ratings of the movie's mentioned. Here is what I came up with: 4 stars: Lonliness of the Long Distance Runner Olympia ( re1936 Olympics) 3.5 Stars: Chariots of Fire Gallipoli Personal Best Million Dollar Legs (W.C.Fields, not Betty Grable) 3 Stars: Blackbeard's Ghost Bob Mathias Story Walk, Don't Run (Cary Grant) Without Limits World's Greatest Athlete Yank at Oxford 2.5 Stars: Billie (Patty Duke as HS runner) Jim Thorpe - All American Running Brave (re Billy Mills) 2 Stars: Goldengirl On the Edge (Bruce Dern) Prefontaine Revenge of the Nerds (the Javelin Scene) Visions of Eight (re 1972 Olympics) 1.5 Stars: The Games (screenplay by Eric Segal) Meatballs (the race scene) Running (Michael Douglas) Maltin does not give stars to television movies. Instead, he rates them as Above Average, Average, or Below Average. He rates The Jesse Owens Story as Above Average. If anyone has other films, I'll be glad to look their ratings up. I found it interesting that a critic with no track-orientation (to my knowledge) came within a half star of how I would rate most of the above that I have seen. I would, however, lower Personal Best a star, and raise Visions of Eight a star. I would put Chariots of Fire at the top of the list. As for Best Comedy, I'd choose between Million Dollar Legs, Walk, Don't Run, and Blackbeard's Ghost. the latter is a typical Disney comedy but I have a soft spot in my heart for any film in which the track coach wins the girl over a football coach. Ed Koch -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, December 17, 2001 9:25 AM Subject: t-and-f: Bruce Dern (was Famous people in TF) In a message dated 12/16/01 8:35:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bruce Dern went to college at Penn and may have competed on the track team but it was before my time. He did in fact compete and was a good half miler, but quit the team his jr. year in a dispute w/ the coach (Ken Doherty? - I think the time frame is pre-Tupp, but it's before my time as well) over having to trim his sideburns. Incidentally, I recall reading in an interview that his film contracts stipulated that he had to have at least one scene in which he was running (and I think that's true). IMHO, his movie based on the Dipsea (I think it's titled Running Free) is one of the Top 10 running flicks ever, partly b/c Dern looks so believable as a runner. If you watch it and don't want to go out for a hard 10 mile trail run, you need to check your pulse. Jim Gerweck Running Times
Re: t-and-f: Track Movies (was Bruce Dern)
yes didnt see Endurance, the movie on Gebs life, on your list..how did that fare? Bob If anyone has other films, I'll be glad to look their ratings up. _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
Re: t-and-f: Track Movies (was Bruce Dern)
In a message dated Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:43:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, Tom Derderian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think one can't and shouldn't make movies about running. The drama of training and racing is it's own theater. One can make movies about plot, character, and action in a running setting but if one tries to make a movie to show the viewer how it feels to race, and how it feels to watch a race it will always fail when compared to the real thing. Actually, one can't and shouldn't make movies about anything that has a truly personal effect on anyone. Which all movies try to do, so the rule should actually be don't got and see a movie about something that's near and dear to your heart. As in, Lord Of The Rings was great yesterday, but it's still not the quasi-religious experience that reading the books is. gh
Re: t-and-f: Track Movies (was Bruce Dern)
Update: Human Comedy gets 3.5 stars in the movie guide; Endurance gets 2.5 stars; The Jericho Mile is not listed. (generally only television movies currently available on video make the guide.) Ed Koch -Original Message- From: Edward Koch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 11:14 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Track Movies (was Bruce Dern) We had another thread about track/running movies some time back and I went to my latest edition of Leonard Maltin's Movie Guide to check the star ratings of the movie's mentioned. Here is what I came up with: 4 stars: Lonliness of the Long Distance Runner Olympia ( re1936 Olympics) 3.5 Stars: Chariots of Fire Gallipoli Personal Best Million Dollar Legs (W.C.Fields, not Betty Grable) 3 Stars: Blackbeard's Ghost Bob Mathias Story Walk, Don't Run (Cary Grant) Without Limits World's Greatest Athlete Yank at Oxford 2.5 Stars: Billie (Patty Duke as HS runner) Jim Thorpe - All American Running Brave (re Billy Mills) 2 Stars: Goldengirl On the Edge (Bruce Dern) Prefontaine Revenge of the Nerds (the Javelin Scene) Visions of Eight (re 1972 Olympics) 1.5 Stars: The Games (screenplay by Eric Segal) Meatballs (the race scene) Running (Michael Douglas) Maltin does not give stars to television movies. Instead, he rates them as Above Average, Average, or Below Average. He rates The Jesse Owens Story as Above Average. If anyone has other films, I'll be glad to look their ratings up. I found it interesting that a critic with no track-orientation (to my knowledge) came within a half star of how I would rate most of the above that I have seen. I would, however, lower Personal Best a star, and raise Visions of Eight a star. I would put Chariots of Fire at the top of the list. As for Best Comedy, I'd choose between Million Dollar Legs, Walk, Don't Run, and Blackbeard's Ghost. the latter is a typical Disney comedy but I have a soft spot in my heart for any film in which the track coach wins the girl over a football coach. Ed Koch -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, December 17, 2001 9:25 AM Subject: t-and-f: Bruce Dern (was Famous people in TF) In a message dated 12/16/01 8:35:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bruce Dern went to college at Penn and may have competed on the track team but it was before my time. He did in fact compete and was a good half miler, but quit the team his jr. year in a dispute w/ the coach (Ken Doherty? - I think the time frame is pre-Tupp, but it's before my time as well) over having to trim his sideburns. Incidentally, I recall reading in an interview that his film contracts stipulated that he had to have at least one scene in which he was running (and I think that's true). IMHO, his movie based on the Dipsea (I think it's titled Running Free) is one of the Top 10 running flicks ever, partly b/c Dern looks so believable as a runner. If you watch it and don't want to go out for a hard 10 mile trail run, you need to check your pulse. Jim Gerweck Running Times
Re: t-and-f: Track Movies (was Bruce Dern)
http://allmovie.com gives Human Comedy 4 stars, Jericho Mile 3 and Endurance 2. Regards, Martin - Original Message - From: Edward Koch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Edward Koch [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 4:57 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Track Movies (was Bruce Dern) Update: Human Comedy gets 3.5 stars in the movie guide; Endurance gets 2.5 stars; The Jericho Mile is not listed. (generally only television movies currently available on video make the guide.) Ed Koch -Original Message- From: Edward Koch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 11:14 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Track Movies (was Bruce Dern) We had another thread about track/running movies some time back and I went to my latest edition of Leonard Maltin's Movie Guide to check the star ratings of the movie's mentioned. Here is what I came up with: 4 stars: Lonliness of the Long Distance Runner Olympia ( re1936 Olympics) 3.5 Stars: Chariots of Fire Gallipoli Personal Best Million Dollar Legs (W.C.Fields, not Betty Grable) 3 Stars: Blackbeard's Ghost Bob Mathias Story Walk, Don't Run (Cary Grant) Without Limits World's Greatest Athlete Yank at Oxford 2.5 Stars: Billie (Patty Duke as HS runner) Jim Thorpe - All American Running Brave (re Billy Mills) 2 Stars: Goldengirl On the Edge (Bruce Dern) Prefontaine Revenge of the Nerds (the Javelin Scene) Visions of Eight (re 1972 Olympics) 1.5 Stars: The Games (screenplay by Eric Segal) Meatballs (the race scene) Running (Michael Douglas) Maltin does not give stars to television movies. Instead, he rates them as Above Average, Average, or Below Average. He rates The Jesse Owens Story as Above Average. If anyone has other films, I'll be glad to look their ratings up. I found it interesting that a critic with no track-orientation (to my knowledge) came within a half star of how I would rate most of the above that I have seen. I would, however, lower Personal Best a star, and raise Visions of Eight a star. I would put Chariots of Fire at the top of the list. As for Best Comedy, I'd choose between Million Dollar Legs, Walk, Don't Run, and Blackbeard's Ghost. the latter is a typical Disney comedy but I have a soft spot in my heart for any film in which the track coach wins the girl over a football coach. Ed Koch -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, December 17, 2001 9:25 AM Subject: t-and-f: Bruce Dern (was Famous people in TF) In a message dated 12/16/01 8:35:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bruce Dern went to college at Penn and may have competed on the track team but it was before my time. He did in fact compete and was a good half miler, but quit the team his jr. year in a dispute w/ the coach (Ken Doherty? - I think the time frame is pre-Tupp, but it's before my time as well) over having to trim his sideburns. Incidentally, I recall reading in an interview that his film contracts stipulated that he had to have at least one scene in which he was running (and I think that's true). IMHO, his movie based on the Dipsea (I think it's titled Running Free) is one of the Top 10 running flicks ever, partly b/c Dern looks so believable as a runner. If you watch it and don't want to go out for a hard 10 mile trail run, you need to check your pulse. Jim Gerweck Running Times
Re: t-and-f: Track Movies (was Bruce Dern)
We had another thread about track/running movies some time back and I went to my latest edition of Leonard Maltin's Movie Guide to check the star ratings of the movie's mentioned. Here is what I came up with: 4 stars: Lonliness of the Long Distance Runner Olympia ( re1936 Olympics) 3.5 Stars: Chariots of Fire Gallipoli Personal Best Million Dollar Legs (W.C.Fields, not Betty Grable) 3 Stars: Blackbeard's Ghost Bob Mathias Story Walk, Don't Run (Cary Grant) Without Limits World's Greatest Athlete Yank at Oxford 2.5 Stars: Billie (Patty Duke as HS runner) Jim Thorpe - All American Running Brave (re Billy Mills) 2 Stars: Goldengirl On the Edge (Bruce Dern) Prefontaine Revenge of the Nerds (the Javelin Scene) Visions of Eight (re 1972 Olympics) 1.5 Stars: The Games (screenplay by Eric Segal) Meatballs (the race scene) Running (Michael Douglas) Maltin does not give stars to television movies. Instead, he rates them as Above Average, Average, or Below Average. He rates The Jesse Owens Story as Above Average. If anyone has other films, I'll be glad to look their ratings up. I found it interesting that a critic with no track-orientation (to my knowledge) came within a half star of how I would rate most of the above that I have seen. I would, however, lower Personal Best a star, and raise Visions of Eight a star. I would put Chariots of Fire at the top of the list. As for Best Comedy, I'd choose between Million Dollar Legs, Walk, Don't Run, and Blackbeard's Ghost. the latter is a typical Disney comedy but I have a soft spot in my heart for any film in which the track coach wins the girl over a football coach. Ed Koch -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, December 17, 2001 9:25 AM Subject: t-and-f: Bruce Dern (was Famous people in TF) In a message dated 12/16/01 8:35:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bruce Dern went to college at Penn and may have competed on the track team but it was before my time. He did in fact compete and was a good half miler, but quit the team his jr. year in a dispute w/ the coach (Ken Doherty? - I think the time frame is pre-Tupp, but it's before my time as well) over having to trim his sideburns. Incidentally, I recall reading in an interview that his film contracts stipulated that he had to have at least one scene in which he was running (and I think that's true). IMHO, his movie based on the Dipsea (I think it's titled Running Free) is one of the Top 10 running flicks ever, partly b/c Dern looks so believable as a runner. If you watch it and don't want to go out for a hard 10 mile trail run, you need to check your pulse. Jim Gerweck Running Times
Re: t-and-f: Track Movies (was Bruce Dern)
I think one can't and shouldn't make movies about running. The drama of training and racing is it's own theater. One can make movies about plot, character, and action in a running setting but if one tries to make a movie to show the viewer how it feels to race, and how it feels to watch a race it will always fail when compared to the real thing. Tom Derderian - Original Message - From: Edward Koch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 4:08 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Track Movies (was Bruce Dern) We had another thread about track/running movies some time back and I went to my latest edition of Leonard Maltin's Movie Guide to check the star ratings of the movie's mentioned. Here is what I came up with: 4 stars: Lonliness of the Long Distance Runner Olympia ( re1936 Olympics) 3.5 Stars: Chariots of Fire Gallipoli Personal Best Million Dollar Legs (W.C.Fields, not Betty Grable) 3 Stars: Blackbeard's Ghost Bob Mathias Story Walk, Don't Run (Cary Grant) Without Limits World's Greatest Athlete Yank at Oxford 2.5 Stars: Billie (Patty Duke as HS runner) Jim Thorpe - All American Running Brave (re Billy Mills) 2 Stars: Goldengirl On the Edge (Bruce Dern) Prefontaine Revenge of the Nerds (the Javelin Scene) Visions of Eight (re 1972 Olympics) 1.5 Stars: The Games (screenplay by Eric Segal) Meatballs (the race scene) Running (Michael Douglas) Maltin does not give stars to television movies. Instead, he rates them as Above Average, Average, or Below Average. He rates The Jesse Owens Story as Above Average. If anyone has other films, I'll be glad to look their ratings up. I found it interesting that a critic with no track-orientation (to my knowledge) came within a half star of how I would rate most of the above that I have seen. I would, however, lower Personal Best a star, and raise Visions of Eight a star. I would put Chariots of Fire at the top of the list. As for Best Comedy, I'd choose between Million Dollar Legs, Walk, Don't Run, and Blackbeard's Ghost. the latter is a typical Disney comedy but I have a soft spot in my heart for any film in which the track coach wins the girl over a football coach. Ed Koch -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, December 17, 2001 9:25 AM Subject: t-and-f: Bruce Dern (was Famous people in TF) In a message dated 12/16/01 8:35:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bruce Dern went to college at Penn and may have competed on the track team but it was before my time. He did in fact compete and was a good half miler, but quit the team his jr. year in a dispute w/ the coach (Ken Doherty? - I think the time frame is pre-Tupp, but it's before my time as well) over having to trim his sideburns. Incidentally, I recall reading in an interview that his film contracts stipulated that he had to have at least one scene in which he was running (and I think that's true). IMHO, his movie based on the Dipsea (I think it's titled Running Free) is one of the Top 10 running flicks ever, partly b/c Dern looks so believable as a runner. If you watch it and don't want to go out for a hard 10 mile trail run, you need to check your pulse. Jim Gerweck Running Times
