Re: t-and-f: What's up with these officials???

2002-01-01 Thread peter stuart

At 09:37 PM 12/31/01 -0500, you wrote:
Dave Johnson wrote:

  At 5:01 PM -0500 31.12.2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Dear Listers,
  
  I was just reading the NJ Star Ledger and they had a story about how 
 the lap
  counter at a meet did not ring the bell lap provoking the anchor leg 
 on a HS
  DMR to run an extra lap. His 4-lap split was 4:23, and he was very annoyed
  that had the bell rang, he could've sprinted and maybe his team had a 
 chance
  at the meet record (which they missed by mere seconds). I get very 
 angry when
  things like this happens because the officials are there for a particular
  reason and they fail to (at times) realize it. In AAU competiton last 
 year, I
  witnessed an official stop 3 consecutive 3,000m races a lap short! I can
  understand one, but 3!! He even went over to one of the participants, 
 who was
  now at a water cooler, and informed her that she had an additional 
 lap! What
  if she didn't advance? Another example occurred an indoor county meet 
 in NJ,
  where the official physically prevented the runners from exchanging 
 the baton
  and attempted to make them run an extra lap. Officials, pay attention 
 to the
  track, PLEASE!!
  
  
  Larry A. Morgan, Sr.
  Elizabeth Heat TC
 
  
 
  As much as I sympathize with your identification of incompetency, I issue
  one warning:  the only way to ultimately take care of the lap counting
  problem you identify is to become a lap counter yourself.  I'm sure you can
  claim that you already spend enough time coaching, but there are many
  coaches who also officiate.  And I've seen an awful lot of coaches who
  screwed up royally and then look for every whichway out of the pickle
  they've created by and for themselves.  Don't get me wrong, meet directors,
  administrators, athletes and spectators (have I left anyone out?) screw up
  too.  Just try watching a mile (or 1600m for Walt Murphy's sake) in their
  shoes.
 
  Dave Johnson
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I realize that another point is being made here but I was just told a few 
weeks
ago that coaches are not allowed to officiate in Canada. I don't know if 
there are
similar rules in the US.
Regards,


Martin

In the far eastern provinces of Canada, NB  NS in particular , almost all 
meets HAVE coaches officiating. Most meets would not even take place 
without the help of a coach or two with a tape measure , clipboard , stop 
watch or as the meet director.




Peter Stuart
Head Coach South-East Athletics
Head Coach NB Canada Games
Coach,Field Events, Universitie de Moncton
NB Coaching Chair
Master Course Conductor
NB CSG web page http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/stuart/




Re: t-and-f: What's up with these officials???

2001-12-31 Thread Wayne T. Armbrust



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dear Listers,

  In AAU competiton last year, I
 witnessed an official stop 3 consecutive 3,000m races a lap short! I can
 understand one, but 3!! He even went over to one of the participants, who was
 now at a water cooler, and informed her that she had an additional lap!

That's what you get for going to an AAU meet, an organization that should no
longer be conducting track meets on any level.

--
Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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3604 Grant Ct.
Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA
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- Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)





Re: t-and-f: What's up with these officials???

2001-12-31 Thread Dave Johnson

At 5:01 PM -0500 31.12.2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Listers,

I was just reading the NJ Star Ledger and they had a story about how the lap
counter at a meet did not ring the bell lap provoking the anchor leg on a HS
DMR to run an extra lap. His 4-lap split was 4:23, and he was very annoyed
that had the bell rang, he could've sprinted and maybe his team had a chance
at the meet record (which they missed by mere seconds). I get very angry when
things like this happens because the officials are there for a particular
reason and they fail to (at times) realize it. In AAU competiton last year, I
witnessed an official stop 3 consecutive 3,000m races a lap short! I can
understand one, but 3!! He even went over to one of the participants, who was
now at a water cooler, and informed her that she had an additional lap! What
if she didn't advance? Another example occurred an indoor county meet in NJ,
where the official physically prevented the runners from exchanging the baton
and attempted to make them run an extra lap. Officials, pay attention to the
track, PLEASE!!


Larry A. Morgan, Sr.
Elizabeth Heat TC



As much as I sympathize with your identification of incompetency, I issue
one warning:  the only way to ultimately take care of the lap counting
problem you identify is to become a lap counter yourself.  I'm sure you can
claim that you already spend enough time coaching, but there are many
coaches who also officiate.  And I've seen an awful lot of coaches who
screwed up royally and then look for every whichway out of the pickle
they've created by and for themselves.  Don't get me wrong, meet directors,
administrators, athletes and spectators (have I left anyone out?) screw up
too.  Just try watching a mile (or 1600m for Walt Murphy's sake) in their
shoes.

Dave Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]





Re: t-and-f: What's up with these officials???

2001-12-31 Thread Martin J. Dixon

Dave Johnson wrote:

 At 5:01 PM -0500 31.12.2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dear Listers,
 
 I was just reading the NJ Star Ledger and they had a story about how the lap
 counter at a meet did not ring the bell lap provoking the anchor leg on a HS
 DMR to run an extra lap. His 4-lap split was 4:23, and he was very annoyed
 that had the bell rang, he could've sprinted and maybe his team had a chance
 at the meet record (which they missed by mere seconds). I get very angry when
 things like this happens because the officials are there for a particular
 reason and they fail to (at times) realize it. In AAU competiton last year, I
 witnessed an official stop 3 consecutive 3,000m races a lap short! I can
 understand one, but 3!! He even went over to one of the participants, who was
 now at a water cooler, and informed her that she had an additional lap! What
 if she didn't advance? Another example occurred an indoor county meet in NJ,
 where the official physically prevented the runners from exchanging the baton
 and attempted to make them run an extra lap. Officials, pay attention to the
 track, PLEASE!!
 
 
 Larry A. Morgan, Sr.
 Elizabeth Heat TC

 

 As much as I sympathize with your identification of incompetency, I issue
 one warning:  the only way to ultimately take care of the lap counting
 problem you identify is to become a lap counter yourself.  I'm sure you can
 claim that you already spend enough time coaching, but there are many
 coaches who also officiate.  And I've seen an awful lot of coaches who
 screwed up royally and then look for every whichway out of the pickle
 they've created by and for themselves.  Don't get me wrong, meet directors,
 administrators, athletes and spectators (have I left anyone out?) screw up
 too.  Just try watching a mile (or 1600m for Walt Murphy's sake) in their
 shoes.

 Dave Johnson
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I realize that another point is being made here but I was just told a few weeks
ago that coaches are not allowed to officiate in Canada. I don't know if there are
similar rules in the US.
Regards,


Martin