t-and-f: Elite Track in Astrodome

2002-06-27 Thread Marko Velikonja

 Well, even after seeing an artist's rendering, I'm still having a 
 hard time picturing it, but here's the idea for  converting the Dome 
 into a tf venue (scroll down to Athletics): 
 http://www.houston2012.com/thegames-venues/reliant_park.html

The design looks pretty ingenious. I didn't think the place was wide
enough to hold a track.  Given the heat/humidity in summer and the lack
of zoning, I can't see Houston being an ideal OG venue, but who knows? 
 At least it would appear to be a viable candidate to host the Worlds. 
Isn't that good enough?   And I guess it could host speedskating in the
winter (although I imagine Houston doesn't have much of one).  And
soccer.

Oh...Astroturf came about because they couldn't grow grass there.  So
is there a plan for that, too?  Perhaps a removable field like in the
new Sapporo Dome?

Marko Velikonja

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Re: t-and-f: Elite Track in Astrodome

2002-06-27 Thread Kurt Bray


Oh...Astroturf came about because they couldn't grow grass there.  So
is there a plan for that, too?  Perhaps a removable field like in the
new Sapporo Dome?


When it first opened back in the 60s, the Astrodome had nice natural grass.  
The dome had clear glass windows that permitted the grass to grow with no 
problem.  The problem was that the artsy pattern of the windows overhead 
made if very difficult for outfielders to see (and hence catch) fly balls.  
The dome was good for grass but bad for baseball.  The solution was to paint 
over the glass, which solved the fly ball problem but killed the grass.  
Hence the necessity for the invention of Astroturf.

Since it's not a baseball park anymore, they can simply scrape the paint off 
the glass and grow natural grass again if they want to.  No special new 
technology is needed.

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t-and-f: elite track at Astrodome

2002-06-26 Thread Post, Marty

According to an Associated Press report Houston Olympic officials, hoping to
attract the 2012 games, plan to complete a total conversion of the Astrodome
into an elite track and field facility by 2007.

So would the marks there be considered as indoor performances (if the Dome
makes it completely closed facility) despite the track being the standard
outdoor 400 meters per lap?




Re: t-and-f: elite track at Astrodome

2002-06-26 Thread Lee Nichols

According to an Associated Press report Houston Olympic officials, hoping to
attract the 2012 games, plan to complete a total conversion of the Astrodome
into an elite track and field facility by 2007.

So would the marks there be considered as indoor performances (if the Dome
makes it completely closed facility) despite the track being the standard
outdoor 400 meters per lap?

Perhaps I'm just lacking in imagination, but I cannot conceive of how 
a 400 meter track could possibly fit inside the Astrodome. You 
wouldn't just be talking about a conversion, but practically building 
a whole new stadium. As it is, the dome only holds 50,000 (too small 
for Olympic desires, I'm guessing), and if memory serves, the stands 
were right up against the field.

It would be perfect for an indoor track, but it seems to me you'd 
have to eliminate almost the entire lower section to fit a regulation 
outdoor oval in there. But maybe I just don't understand the overall 
architecture of the building.

As to your original question: Wasn't the stadium in Montreal 1976 
indoor? I think basic logic would dictate that any marks on a 
regulation 400m would be considered as no-wind outdoor marks.
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Re: t-and-f: elite track at Astrodome

2002-06-26 Thread Runner Triathlete News

They used to have an indoor track meet at the Dome.  I believe that it was 5
laps to the mile.  So, possibly a 400 meter track could be placed within the
confines of the stadium.

Where they might put all the field events would remain to be seen.

Lance Phegley
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Subject: Re: t-and-f: elite track at Astrodome


 According to an Associated Press report Houston Olympic officials, hoping
to
 attract the 2012 games, plan to complete a total conversion of the
Astrodome
 into an elite track and field facility by 2007.
 
 So would the marks there be considered as indoor performances (if the
Dome
 makes it completely closed facility) despite the track being the standard
 outdoor 400 meters per lap?

 Perhaps I'm just lacking in imagination, but I cannot conceive of how
 a 400 meter track could possibly fit inside the Astrodome. You
 wouldn't just be talking about a conversion, but practically building
 a whole new stadium. As it is, the dome only holds 50,000 (too small
 for Olympic desires, I'm guessing), and if memory serves, the stands
 were right up against the field.

 It would be perfect for an indoor track, but it seems to me you'd
 have to eliminate almost the entire lower section to fit a regulation
 outdoor oval in there. But maybe I just don't understand the overall
 architecture of the building.

 As to your original question: Wasn't the stadium in Montreal 1976
 indoor? I think basic logic would dictate that any marks on a
 regulation 400m would be considered as no-wind outdoor marks.
 --
 Lee Nichols
 Assistant News Editor
 The Austin Chronicle
 512/454-5766, ext. 138
 fax 512/458-6910
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: t-and-f: elite track at Astrodome

2002-06-26 Thread GHTFNedit

In a message dated Wed, 26 Jun 2002 2:43:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, Post, Marty 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


So would the marks there be considered as indoor performances (if the Dome makes it 
completely closed facility) despite the track being the standard outdoor 400 meters 
per lap?

IAAF removed indoor from the WR definition several years ago (i think the Congress 
of '97 in Athens), although it went generally unnoticed, even by most statisticians. 
So long as other conditions are OK (like no banked track), makes no difference whether 
or not a facility has a roof. As it should be.

gh



Re: t-and-f: elite track at Astrodome

2002-06-26 Thread Lee Nichols

Well, even after seeing an artist's rendering, I'm still having a 
hard time picturing it, but here's the idea for  converting the Dome 
into a tf venue (scroll down to Athletics): 
http://www.houston2012.com/thegames-venues/reliant_park.html

-- 
Lee Nichols
Assistant News Editor
The Austin Chronicle
512/454-5766, ext. 138
fax 512/458-6910
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: t-and-f: elite track at Astrodome

2002-06-26 Thread John Rhodes

Would they keep the seats the color of those ugly old Astro uniforms?
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Subject: Re: t-and-f: elite track at Astrodome


 Well, even after seeing an artist's rendering, I'm still having a 
 hard time picturing it, but here's the idea for  converting the Dome 
 into a tf venue (scroll down to Athletics): 
 http://www.houston2012.com/thegames-venues/reliant_park.html
 
 -- 
 Lee Nichols
 Assistant News Editor
 The Austin Chronicle
 512/454-5766, ext. 138
 fax 512/458-6910
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]