Re: [Tagging] tagging monasteries, convents and

[M∡rtin Koppenhoefer]

Vincent, thank you for your valueable feedback.

2011/6/1 Vincent Pottier :
>>> looking at the available data and in the wiki I'm currently missing
>>> some tags for monasteries.

> They are different things to be tagged :
> * the building, that can be tagged in building=monastery ou building=convent
> [1]. Those values are not very used...


yes, I'd also do this, but am also thinking about identifying smaller
typologic entities like cloisters and give them their own tag.


> * the community living there and I have started trying the tag community
> [2].
> * the other building that should be tagged as other (farm, workshops,
> hostelery...)


+1


> IMHO,
> The church must be tagged as amenity=place_of_worship +
> religion=christian|buhddist... when open to every one (at least to belivers)
> I usualy use also the tag building=church for the architecture.


+1, but I'd tag places of worship that are not open to the public
nonetheless (access=private).



> The other buildings should be tagged for what they are : hangar, hostellery,
> shop...


I don't get "hangar", isn't this something like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangar ?


> I'm not too much in favour of a landuse=religious, because the landuse, in
> itself is not a holy place or a sacred place,


well, in the case of a sanctuary it is, but I also am not fond of
using this landuse value because it would conflict with farmland, etc.


> I would prefer a relation=site + site=monastery for gathering all the stuff
> and defining the whole monastery. This relation could have a tag
> access=private to indicate the closure. Usualy, there is a wall, or a hedge
> around the closure.


+1


> I don't know enough buhddist or other religious communities to improve the
> consistancy of a tag "community". It is why I still not have made a
> proposal.
>
> I'm interested in knowing your opinion about this way of tagging.


I think your proposed building values are OK for the actual buildings,
but there should be a suggested tagging for the institution and
details about it.

The community tag doesn't seem obvious to me, why don't we use
operator? Current community values are mostly abbreviated which makes
interpretation more difficult IMHO:
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/community#values and with 127
occurences the tag is not really established.

There is this list in your userspace:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:FrViPofm/Community which I
suggest to change (official name could become operator and community
could become operator:ref)

cheers,
Martin

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Re: [Tagging] tagging monasteries, convents and

[M∡rtin Koppenhoefer]

A first draft for monasteries can be found here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/monastery
(I am currently working on this, and will extend the content this afternoon).

Btw.: I found another argument against the use of a community-tag
(against the tag name): there seem to be also monasteries which are
operated by hermits.

cheers,
Martin

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Re: [Tagging] tagging monasteries, convents and

[M∡rtin Koppenhoefer]

2011/6/3 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer :
> A first draft for monasteries can be found here:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/monastery
> (I am currently working on this, and will extend the content this afternoon).


OK, I arrived at a point where this should be reviewed by someone more
expert then me to confirm or propose changes to the scheme. I'd
consider the current state almost RFC-ready.

cheers,
Martin

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[Tagging] steps as access to water, and waterfront

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi,

How would you tag steps that provide access to water? See here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rhodes/5793021284

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Re: [Tagging] steps as access to water, and waterfront

[Josh Doe]

I would use highway=steps on the steps, and highway=footway for the
walk along the water.

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> How would you tag steps that provide access to water? See here:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rhodes/5793021284
>
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Re: [Tagging] steps as access to water, and waterfront

[M∡rtin Koppenhoefer]

2011/6/3 Josh Doe :
> I would use highway=steps on the steps, and highway=footway for the
> walk along the water.


Yes, but probably not on the ladder that gives you access to (or from)
the water. I'd tag this on a node (the alternative would be to draw a
way with 2 nodes, set layer-tags to the nodes and move one above the
other which does not really make sense unless you continue somehow on
the lower end with some highway).

What about highway=ladder on a node? There is already 10 uses in taginfo ;-)

An alternative (or addition) could be to tag the water access as POI,
e.g. waterway=entry_point (could maybe also be ambigious and refer to
a point where water leaks in).

cheers,
Martin

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Re: [Tagging] steps as access to water, and waterfront

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi all,

[crossposting from tagging]

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 4:12 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
 wrote:
> 2011/6/3 Josh Doe :
>> I would use highway=steps on the steps, and highway=footway for the
>> walk along the water.
>
>
> Yes, but probably not on the ladder that gives you access to (or from)
> the water. I'd tag this on a node (the alternative would be to draw a
> way with 2 nodes, set layer-tags to the nodes and move one above the
> other which does not really make sense unless you continue somehow on
> the lower end with some highway).
>
> What about highway=ladder on a node? There is already 10 uses in taginfo ;-)
>

I went with that. 11 usages is momentum in my book. I used a
highway=footway to connect the ladder to the footway, which I find
less than elegant.

Another thing, I remembered about adding machine tags to flickr photos
(like osm:way=12345) which links photo to OSM object. I wonder if
there's an easier way to do that (for example through a JOSM
plugin)..? This may be off-topic here, I'll cross-post to talk.
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[Tagging] building=dormitory for monasteries?

[M∡rtin Koppenhoefer]

I am currently preparing a proposal for monasteries and part of them
is generally also a dormitory. By looking up the wiki I found this
page:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:building%3Ddormitory
which does limit the use to "sleeping and living quarters for
University students, provided by the school."

I have at least 2 problems with this definition:

1. It doesn't seem to be a British English term (at least not with
this definition)
2. It seems to exclude the use for monasteries
(3. It was introduced without discussion or proposal)

If there is a majority in favor of keeping this tag nonetheless with
this definition, what should I use for the dormitory of a monastery?
E.g. I could use building=dormitorium (i.e. tag in latin).

cheers,
Martin

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[Tagging] fire alarms

[Seth Golub]

Hello.  I'm mapping the fire alarm boxes in my neighborhood, and I'm not
sure how to tag them.  Here's an example:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/dwthompson/36722209
77/

The
closest thing I can find in use is emergency=phone, but these are just
switches.  You pull the lever to summon help, but you can't talk to anyone.

My first guess would be emergency=alarm, but taginfo hasn't seen that.  Just
two of amenity=fire_alarm, one amenity=fire_alarm_box, and one
service=alarm.  Am I really the first one doing this or is there another
scheme I haven't thought to look for?
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Re: [Tagging] steps as access to water, and waterfront

[David Murn]

On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 15:36 +0200, Martijn van Exel wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> How would you tag steps that provide access to water? See here:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rhodes/5793021284

Im trying to map a similar situation, except in my case the bottom 2
steps are underwater at high-tide.  This makes it difficult because at
low-tide there is a small sandy area but at high tide the steps are
under water.

David


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