Re: [Tagging] Automatic edit - RFC - Musical instrument
I'm in favor of this type of mechanical edit. Here the semantics are quite clear. I think opt-out is silly, however, and hopefully nobody will take you up on it. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Dress Code proposal
I have just put up a draft proposal for tagging venues with dress code. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Dress_code This type of metadata could be exposed through venue-centric applications and give assistance to users of the map. Nothing worse than turning up at a place and not being let in because you aren't dressed appropriately. I've followed a microformats-style process of collecting examples (see http://microformats.org/wiki/why-examples ) and am keen to find examples that illustrate things I haven't already shown with the example set on the wiki. I'm not sure of the process from here. :) -- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Dress Code proposal
Hi, On 10/23/2013 09:50 AM, Tom Morris wrote: I have just put up a draft proposal for tagging venues with dress code. Are you sure that this isn't taking things a bit too far for a geographic database? Dresscodes will often apply to events, not locations; events can move between locations. It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me! Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Dress Code proposal
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Dress_code Lol : For nude-only spaces, dress:nude=required. Why not simply dress=no ? ^^ Pieren PS perhaps you should explain that this is related to permanent access conditions, e.g. rename your dress: namespace to access:dress:. And we don't tag events in OSM. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Dress Code proposal
Hi, On 10/23/2013 11:59 AM, Tom Morris wrote: Phone numbers apply to mobile phones which move between locations. I should perhaps have said this another way. I wasn't talking about the moving itself, I was talking more about the event being detached from the location. Even if you go Harrods which has a no backpacks dresscode (but wait - is that a dresscode or a carry-on code?), then this applies not to the location itself, but to the event (or maybe experience or another better word) that you want to have shopping. If you are, say, a mechanic called there to repair a broken heater, a backpack might well be acceptable. The dresscode is, therefore, not a property of the location, but of the event/experience/function/whatever. We do indeed already map a couple other things that are not properties of a location - e.g. at what times something is open to visitors, or sometimes even how much it costs to get in - but this is not un-disputed and there are certainly limits to what we can, and want to, handle in OSM (currently e.g. type of cuisine at restaurant - yes, detailed menu - no). I just wondered if dresscode isn't too volatile a property to be mapped and kept current. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Dress Code proposal
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org I just wondered if dresscode isn't too volatile a property to be mapped and kept current. Fully agree if it's volatil. But in some cases, the information is stable and helpful. For instance, some casinos where some dress code can be required (or not). Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
I have just realised the link is broken. I am sending the correct link here https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Soft_play I look forward to hearing your views on this proposal. Thank you, Dominic. --- Dominic Hosler dominichosler at gmail.com Tue Oct 22 15:43:34 UTC 2013 Hi, I have just proposed a tag to use for soft play centres. This tag is leisure=soft_play and I detailed it in this proposal https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Soft_play. There is not currently a tag that covers the usage requirements that this one does. I have already used this tag on a couple of soft play centres. I would welcome your comments on how I could improve the proposal. Thank you, Dominic. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Dress Code proposal
Hi Tom, Generally, I think it is a good idea to map access restrictions related to dresscode. Similar kinds of access restrictions are: No knife, no camera, no backpack, no cellphone, no food/drinks etc. You might want to think about how such restrictions could be mapped in future and in what relationship with your dresscode-proposal. You might want to make it clear in your proposal that only permanent restrictions are to be mapped. From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org I just wondered if dresscode isn't too volatile a property to be mapped and kept current. Not all dresscode restrictions are volatile, for example certain restrictions in places of worship or certain beaches. A bar *might* have changing dresscode and for such a bar the property might be volatile, but I wouldn't generally reject mapping dresscode restrictions with this argument. Nils ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Dress Code proposal
On 23/10/2013 12:27, pmsg wrote: Generally, I think it is a good idea to map access restrictions related to dresscode. Similar kinds of access restrictions are: No knife, no camera, no backpack, no cellphone, no food/drinks etc. What about not being allowed in a bikeshed unless you have a bike? J. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
First of all, I can confirm such centres exist in the Netherlands and Luxembourg as well. So far I have tagged them as lesiure=playground, building=yes. I never heard of the name 'soft play centre', though, and I was not able to guess from the title what the proposal was about. Is there no name friendlier for non-natives? The Luxembourgish one calls itself an indoor playground, by the way. I think the proposal would benefit from a more precise definition. You mention that soft play areas are often supervised, are often indoors, and are often paid. So how should playgrounds be tagged that are supervised, paid, and outdoors? Or supervised, free, and indoors? Compare also the recent discussion about play rooms. Also, the word 'supervision' might be confusing, because although there is staff present, I think soft play centres still require that the parents stay around (as opposed to a creche). An alternative would be, of course, to add tags like staffed=yes, fee=yes, and indoor=yes to the playground tag. That might be easier, because it might not be easy to draw a hard line between playgrounds and soft play centres. But if you can come up with a good definition that distinguishes them, I support your proposal. -- Matthijs On 23 October 2013 13:25, Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com wrote: I have just realised the link is broken. I am sending the correct link here https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Soft_play I look forward to hearing your views on this proposal. Thank you, Dominic. --- Dominic Hosler dominichosler at gmail.com Tue Oct 22 15:43:34 UTC 2013 Hi, I have just proposed a tag to use for soft play centres. This tag is leisure=soft_play and I detailed it in this proposal https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Soft_play. There is not currently a tag that covers the usage requirements that this one does. I have already used this tag on a couple of soft play centres. I would welcome your comments on how I could improve the proposal. Thank you, Dominic. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
On 23/10/2013 12:55, Matthijs Melissen wrote: I think the proposal would benefit from a more precise definition. Or you could just tag the ones you find using this perfectly sensible tag and not worry about it. In the UK a Soft Play is a well-recognised and well-defined concept. If that concept doesn't exist elsewhere, fine, but don't stop this mapper from recording information because you don't like what colour the bikeshed is. J. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
On 22/10/2013 16:43, Dominic Hosler wrote: I have just proposed a tag to use for soft play centres. Looks absolutely fine. There are times when I'd use it on a node when the soft play is just one part of a larger building, but that's pretty much standard OSM practice anyway. Don't worry about having to explicity specify which other tags you can use with this one, since editor presets will take care of many of them anyway. I'd just carry on mapping using this tag. J. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
On 23 October 2013 14:01, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: In the UK a Soft Play is a well-recognised and well-defined concept. If that concept doesn't exist elsewhere, fine, but don't stop this mapper from recording information because you don't like what colour the bikeshed is. I think that's too much of a UK-centric way of thinking, which we should avoid. I agree that for the UK, a precise definition is not necessary, because we can simply tag everything leisure=soft_play that is called 'soft play'. However, it seems that the US does not use this term, let alone non-English speaking countries. Other countries might have similar (but perhaps not entirely equivalent) concepts. I believe we need some kind of definition that makes clear how the English concept 'soft play' maps to the variety of playgrounds other countries have. In the Netherlands, for example, there are paid and staffed outdoor playing grounds. Currently, I have no idea whether such playgrounds would fall under the English definition of 'soft play'. -- Matthijs ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
My understanding of a soft play area would not work outdoors, at least not in Northern Europe where it rains. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 23/10/2013 13:22 Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 23 October 2013 14:01, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: In the UK a Soft Play is a well-recognised and well-defined concept. If that concept doesn't exist elsewhere, fine, but don't stop this mapper from recording information because you don't like what colour the bikeshed is. I think that's too much of a UK-centric way of thinking, which we should avoid. I agree that for the UK, a precise definition is not necessary, because we can simply tag everything leisure=soft_play that is called 'soft play'. However, it seems that the US does not use this term, let alone non-English speaking countries. Other countries might have similar (but perhaps not entirely equivalent) concepts. I believe we need some kind of definition that makes clear how the English concept 'soft play' maps to the variety of playgrounds other countries have. In the Netherlands, for example, there are paid and staffed outdoor playing grounds. Currently, I have no idea whether such playgrounds would fall under the English definition of 'soft play'. -- Matthijs ___ Tagging mailing list jonobenn...@gmail.com https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
Hi, I agree with Matthijs that we should avoid a UK centric mode of thought, which is why I stated I didn't know if this type of thing exists elsewhere. Apparently it does exist elsewhere, but not in exactly the same way. I have just remembered a soft play centre, that includes all parts of a soft play centre but also includes an outdoor play area (for when the weather's nice - it's in south Wales). In this particular case, I mapped the building as soft play, and the outside area as a playground, with extra tags on the playground, make it clear that it belongs as part of the centre. I think it would be a good idea to put a clearer definition to what in the UK we call a 'soft play centre' so that people from other countries can use the tag to map similar locations. To clarify, soft play centres are not supervised, they are staffed. Parents are expected to supervise their children. I will change this wording in the proposal. I will also add that it can be used on nodes when the soft play centre is just a small part of a larger building. I think in my opinion the distinction between a playground and a soft play centre is that a playground generally has a hard ground (or sometimes rubbery), whereas a soft play centre (in the play area) has a padded ground. In a soft play centre all the equipment to climb on is padded and soft. A playground, most of the equipment is hard (wood, metal or fibreglass). For me, this is the main distinction. As a side note, the reason (I guess) most soft play centres are businesses that charge, is that the padding needs attention to keep it clean and in good condition. Playgrounds can be ignored by the owners / maintainers for many months without damage. I will add this into the proposal page on the wiki, thank you for your input. Dominic. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
There are centers like this in Germany, mostly just called indoor playground. (I haven't seen one so far, but I heard awful stories from parents all around.) The term soft play wasn't known to me and I didn't think of child's entertainment when I read it (actually, I thought the opposite). There is also no wikipedia entry for this. After reading the proposal, I knew what was meant and I have a clear idea what to tag and what not. But I still find the focus on the quality of material used (both in the name and in the definition) a bit odd. What if there is a toy not made of soft stuff? Like an old-fashioned merry-go-round? Does this mean the place is called (and tagged) differently? I would propose to keep the name (because it seems to be a fixed UK term fair enough), but to ditch the soft play toys stuff from the definition to allow all indoor playgrounds to be tagged with this and to make this understandable to non-UK mappers. (I would also be OK with indoor_playground or simply indoor=yes for normal leisure=playground tags, but I'm sure the original poster wants to keep the similarity of UK name and tag). my 2 cents Chaos 2013/10/23 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk My understanding of a soft play area would not work outdoors, at least not in Northern Europe where it rains. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 23/10/2013 13:22 Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 23 October 2013 14:01, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: In the UK a Soft Play is a well-recognised and well-defined concept. If that concept doesn't exist elsewhere, fine, but don't stop this mapper from recording information because you don't like what colour the bikeshed is. I think that's too much of a UK-centric way of thinking, which we should avoid. I agree that for the UK, a precise definition is not necessary, because we can simply tag everything leisure=soft_play that is called 'soft play'. However, it seems that the US does not use this term, let alone non-English speaking countries. Other countries might have similar (but perhaps not entirely equivalent) concepts. I believe we need some kind of definition that makes clear how the English concept 'soft play' maps to the variety of playgrounds other countries have. In the Netherlands, for example, there are paid and staffed outdoor playing grounds. Currently, I have no idea whether such playgrounds would fall under the English definition of 'soft play'. -- Matthijs ___ Tagging mailing list jonobenn...@gmail.com https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
Hi Chaos, I have just added clarification as to the distinction between soft play and playgrounds. I agree that if there was an old fashioned merry-go-round inside a building then it wouldn't be soft play, and would be called and tagged differently. For example, with a leisure=playground and indoor=yes set of tags. The reliance on the 'softness' of the material in the definition is very much required, because that is the property that defines a soft play centre. I wasn't aware that Wikipedia was missing an entry for this, perhaps an activity for another day... Thanks, Dominic On 23 October 2013 13:55, Ronnie Soak chaoschaos0...@googlemail.com wrote: There are centers like this in Germany, mostly just called indoor playground. (I haven't seen one so far, but I heard awful stories from parents all around.) The term soft play wasn't known to me and I didn't think of child's entertainment when I read it (actually, I thought the opposite). There is also no wikipedia entry for this. After reading the proposal, I knew what was meant and I have a clear idea what to tag and what not. But I still find the focus on the quality of material used (both in the name and in the definition) a bit odd. What if there is a toy not made of soft stuff? Like an old-fashioned merry-go-round? Does this mean the place is called (and tagged) differently? I would propose to keep the name (because it seems to be a fixed UK term fair enough), but to ditch the soft play toys stuff from the definition to allow all indoor playgrounds to be tagged with this and to make this understandable to non-UK mappers. (I would also be OK with indoor_playground or simply indoor=yes for normal leisure=playground tags, but I'm sure the original poster wants to keep the similarity of UK name and tag). my 2 cents Chaos 2013/10/23 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk My understanding of a soft play area would not work outdoors, at least not in Northern Europe where it rains. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 23/10/2013 13:22 Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 23 October 2013 14:01, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: In the UK a Soft Play is a well-recognised and well-defined concept. If that concept doesn't exist elsewhere, fine, but don't stop this mapper from recording information because you don't like what colour the bikeshed is. I think that's too much of a UK-centric way of thinking, which we should avoid. I agree that for the UK, a precise definition is not necessary, because we can simply tag everything leisure=soft_play that is called 'soft play'. However, it seems that the US does not use this term, let alone non-English speaking countries. Other countries might have similar (but perhaps not entirely equivalent) concepts. I believe we need some kind of definition that makes clear how the English concept 'soft play' maps to the variety of playgrounds other countries have. In the Netherlands, for example, there are paid and staffed outdoor playing grounds. Currently, I have no idea whether such playgrounds would fall under the English definition of 'soft play'. -- Matthijs ___ Tagging mailing list jonobenn...@gmail.com https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
2013/10/23 Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com I think in my opinion the distinction between a playground and a soft play centre is that a playground generally has a hard ground (or sometimes rubbery), whereas a soft play centre (in the play area) has a padded ground. In a soft play centre all the equipment to climb on is padded and soft. A playground, most of the equipment is hard (wood, metal or fibreglass). For me, this is the main distinction. Thanks for the clarification. So the material used *really* makes the differences. Ok. This will most definitely limit the number of use cases, at least here in Germany. offtopic I really don't get the concept. Why would you want to create a thing like that? Why would you go there instead of a real playground? I can imagine a thousand injuries that can happen even *if* everything around you is padded. Especially if two or more children are involved. There are always some hard bits. They are called skull, bone and teeth. And there are a lot of injuries that don't involve hard impacts at all, like dislocations, strangulations etc.. So if there is risk anyway, why don't have some fun with it? Go out, climb a try, fall from one, climb up again .. grumpyoldmanshakescane / /offtopic more like 142 cents Chaos ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
2013/10/23 Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com I have just realised the link is broken. I am sending the correct link here https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Soft_play I look forward to hearing your views on this proposal. Maybe a picture would help. Are these pneumatic structures? We use to have a lot of these blown up plastic piles in Italy, though they are mostly outdoors. Maybe the outdoor/indoor aspect (like the building) has more to do with the climate than with the feature? This is a picture of one of these to check if we are speaking about the same stuff: http://www.barkhofen-kinderkarussell.de/files/Huepfburgen/Huepfburg_Zauberschloss_1_g.jpg Would they qualify as soft play? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
On 23/10/2013 14:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Would they qualify as soft play? No, that's a bouncy castle. Soft play is padding, not inflatables. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
2013/10/23 Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com Hi Chaos, I have just added clarification as to the distinction between soft play and playgrounds. I agree that if there was an old fashioned merry-go-round inside a building then it wouldn't be soft play, and would be called and tagged differently. For example, with a leisure=playground and indoor=yes set of tags. yes it could be an alternative to your proposal to see this as a kind of playground, and use a subtype (e.g. playground:type=soft_play) but the fact that they are all indoors, are all soft play and require all to pay an entrance fee IMHO confirms your choice for a new main tag, as the average playground is usually the opposite for these characteristics. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
Due to child protection, you are generally not allowed to take pictures inside the soft-play centres. Also, any official pictures are copyrighted. In the proposal, I linked to a few websites of some soft play centres, where they have pictures, I hoped this would be fine. Soft play is as Jonathan said, padding not inflatables. Thanks, Dom On 23 October 2013 14:31, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: On 23/10/2013 14:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Would they qualify as soft play? No, that's a bouncy castle. Soft play is padding, not inflatables. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Dress Code proposal
2013/10/23 pmsg pmsg2...@yahoo.com Generally, I think it is a good idea to map access restrictions related to dresscode. Similar kinds of access restrictions are: No knife, no camera, no backpack, no cellphone, no food/drinks etc. You might want to think about how such restrictions could be mapped in future and in what relationship with your dresscode-proposal. Yes, some places have a hell lot of limitations, e.g. here I'd suggest to invent another one in order to have the picture complete... [image: Inline-Bild 1] cheers, Martin IMG_1352.jpg___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Dress Code proposal
Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 10/23/2013 09:50 AM, Tom Morris wrote: I have just put up a draft proposal for tagging venues with dress code. Are you sure that this isn't taking things a bit too far for a geographic database? Dresscodes will often apply to events, not locations; events can move between locations. It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me! Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging I think a better approach is to have a tag that links to the venue's web site, which we already have tags defined for. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Dress Code proposal
Interesting idea, i think. It could be applied to permanent POI, such a restaurant or so. It could be a bit classified like grade tag of highway=track? dress_code = formal : full suits, tie, traditional-wear dress_code = something between here: I don't have enough word to distinguish that... dress_code = casual : jeans, denims, T-shirts. default. dress_code = nudist : only full nude is permissive :P I think a better approach is to have a tag that links to the venue's web site, which we already have tags defined for. +1 2013/10/24 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 10/23/2013 09:50 AM, Tom Morris wrote: I have just put up a draft proposal for tagging venues with dress code. Are you sure that this isn't taking things a bit too far for a geographic database? Dresscodes will often apply to events, not locations; events can move between locations. It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me! Bye Frederik I think a better approach is to have a tag that links to the venue's web site, which we already have tags defined for. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Satoshi IIDA mail: nyamp...@gmail.com twitter: @nyampire ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
A number of shopping malls in the U.S. have indoor playgrounds that consist of soft sculptures (vinyl or soft plastic over padded/flexible frames) amid padded flooring. They are free, not attended but cleaned regularly. A link to an article about such a playground: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/5/prweb10675755.htm .Would you mark these a soft-play centre under your proposal or how would you tag them? Murry On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.comwrote: Due to child protection, you are generally not allowed to take pictures inside the soft-play centres. Also, any official pictures are copyrighted. In the proposal, I linked to a few websites of some soft play centres, where they have pictures, I hoped this would be fine. Soft play is as Jonathan said, padding not inflatables. Thanks, Dom On 23 October 2013 14:31, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: On 23/10/2013 14:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Would they qualify as soft play? No, that's a bouncy castle. Soft play is padding, not inflatables. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
Instead of soft play, what about indoor play (or indoor play area/centre)? 1) it seems to be used as a catch all sometimes, even in the UK (ie - http://www.timeout.com/london/events/indoor-play-centres-in-london or http://www.dayoutwiththekids.co.uk/things-to-do-family/Northampton/Indoor-Play-Areas ) 2) it is broad enough to cover all of these sort of places, since some indoor play areas may only have some actual soft play equipment meant for younger kids/toddlers (or, if you are only meaning the actual areas that have the soft play equipment, then that might be different) 3) it might make more sense for those outside the UK who don't use the term soft play much Brad On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.comwrote: Due to child protection, you are generally not allowed to take pictures inside the soft-play centres. Also, any official pictures are copyrighted. In the proposal, I linked to a few websites of some soft play centres, where they have pictures, I hoped this would be fine. Soft play is as Jonathan said, padding not inflatables. Thanks, Dom On 23 October 2013 14:31, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: On 23/10/2013 14:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Would they qualify as soft play? No, that's a bouncy castle. Soft play is padding, not inflatables. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
Soft Play and Softplay are registered trademarks in the United States with United States and International coverage. Trademarks held by this firm: http://www.softplay.com Murry ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Dress Code proposal
Hi, Pieren wrote: Why not simply dress=no ? ^^ Some people might argue for dress=dismount. SCNR, Stefan ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
Murry McEntire murry.mcent...@gmail.com wrote: Soft Play and Softplay are registered trademarks in the United States with United States and International coverage. Trademarks held by this firm: http://www.softplay.com Murry ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging In that case, tagging any play area with similiar equipment, but not using that company's equipment, would possibly lead to that company taking legal action to force OSM to change the tags, at least in the USA. Use of a non-trademarked term would be preferable. Under US law, a trademark holder must take legal action against any infringing use of the trademark, or risk a court decision that the trademark holder has released the trademark into the public domain, meaning that it is now open for anyone's use. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Dress Code proposal
I agree http://bigfatfrog67.me On 23/10/2013 17:00, John F. Eldredge wrote: I think a better approach is to have a tag that links to the venue's web site, which we already have tags defined for. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
Gives you a good idea what they are: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=softplayclient=firefox-ahs=U7Prls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialsource=lnmstbm=ischsa=Xei=CSBoUpT_B4S57AbYy4Aoved=0CAkQ_AUoAQbiw=1366bih=589 Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 23/10/2013 14:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Maybe a picture would help. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
These pictures also seem to include small play grounds in people's homes, and perhaps in shopping centres as well. I suppose small playgrounds in shopping centres (either supervised, like in Ikea, or unsupervised, like in McDonalds) are not intended to be included in this tag? I noticed by the way that the definition field on the proposal tag is left empty. Even if the proposer decides not give a precise definition, I think the definition field should be filled in (before voting), because this field is also used in websites like Taginfo. -- Matthijs On 23 October 2013 21:15, Jonathan bigfatfro...@gmail.com wrote: Gives you a good idea what they are: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=softplayclient=firefox-ahs=U7Prls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialsource=lnmstbm=ischsa=Xei=CSBoUpT_B4S57AbYy4Aoved=0CAkQ_AUoAQbiw=1366bih=589 Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 23/10/2013 14:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Maybe a picture would help. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
I agree, we need to choose a term that is more generic, maybe leisure=childrens_adventure or kids_play or kids_amusement. There can always be a sub tag defining soft_play? Especially considering that a lot of softplay areas are now included among other internal children's play features? Softplay is just one bit. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 23/10/2013 17:47, Brad Neuhauser wrote: Instead of soft play, what about indoor play (or indoor play area/centre)? 1) it seems to be used as a catch all sometimes, even in the UK (ie - http://www.timeout.com/london/events/indoor-play-centres-in-london or http://www.dayoutwiththekids.co.uk/things-to-do-family/Northampton/Indoor-Play-Areas) 2) it is broad enough to cover all of these sort of places, since some indoor play areas may only have some actual soft play equipment meant for younger kids/toddlers (or, if you are only meaning the actual areas that have the soft play equipment, then that might be different) 3) it might make more sense for those outside the UK who don't use the term soft play much Brad On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com mailto:dominichos...@gmail.com wrote: Due to child protection, you are generally not allowed to take pictures inside the soft-play centres. Also, any official pictures are copyrighted. In the proposal, I linked to a few websites of some soft play centres, where they have pictures, I hoped this would be fine. Soft play is as Jonathan said, padding not inflatables. Thanks, Dom On 23 October 2013 14:31, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com mailto:jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: On 23/10/2013 14:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Would they qualify as soft play? No, that's a bouncy castle. Soft play is padding, not inflatables. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
I agree we should move away from the trademarked title 'soft_play'. Perhaps if we keep the proposal and change the name of the tag to indoor_play, to include other types as well, as per brad's suggestion. We should also include sub tag qualifiers to specify if it's soft play and for what ages it's designed. I think it would be most appropriate to use indoor play considering its catch all nature and the fact that it is already used by a couple of websites. I will update the proposal and fill in the definition area, I must have just missed it. However, I won't update it till tomorrow because I only have my phone until then. Thanks, Dom Jonathan bigfatfro...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, we need to choose a term that is more generic, maybe leisure=childrens_adventure or kids_play or kids_amusement. There can always be a sub tag defining soft_play? Especially considering that a lot of softplay areas are now included among other internal children's play features? Softplay is just one bit. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 23/10/2013 17:47, Brad Neuhauser wrote: Instead of soft play, what about indoor play (or indoor play area/centre)? 1) it seems to be used as a catch all sometimes, even in the UK (ie - http://www.timeout.com/london/events/indoor-play-centres-in-london or http://www.dayoutwiththekids.co.uk/things-to-do-family/Northampton/Indoor-Play-Areas) 2) it is broad enough to cover all of these sort of places, since some indoor play areas may only have some actual soft play equipment meant for younger kids/toddlers (or, if you are only meaning the actual areas that have the soft play equipment, then that might be different) 3) it might make more sense for those outside the UK who don't use the term soft play much Brad On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com mailto:dominichos...@gmail.com wrote: Due to child protection, you are generally not allowed to take pictures inside the soft-play centres. Also, any official pictures are copyrighted. In the proposal, I linked to a few websites of some soft play centres, where they have pictures, I hoped this would be fine. Soft play is as Jonathan said, padding not inflatables. Thanks, Dom On 23 October 2013 14:31, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com mailto:jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: On 23/10/2013 14:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Would they qualify as soft play? No, that's a bouncy castle. Soft play is padding, not inflatables. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Dress Code proposal
2013/10/23 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com I think a better approach is to have a tag that links to the venue's web site, which we already have tags defined for. I think links are great, but its really not the same thing than having a tag that tells you a defined property. From a website you'd hardly be able to deduct this information automatically (like find me a venue (explicitly) without dresscode). cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
