[Tagging] Relations in Transport for London: network and operator

[Bjoern Hassler]

Hi all,

(Cross-posting to tagging and talk-gb-london.)

I've been looking at

type=public_transport
public_transport=stop_area

relations in Transport for London.

*First question: operator. *Should this be "Transport for London" or the
actual operator? TfL owns and retains branding control, but technically
it's franchised to London Overground Rail Operations (LOROL) and KeolisAmey
Docklands Ltd., who are the current operators. However, the franchise may
change every few years.

The current values used for operator are:
- Transport for London
- London Underground
- London Overground

*I would propose that these should all be changed to "operator=Transport
for London" *(irrespective of overground vs. DLR; however, obviously not
where the operator is a different entity, such as Network Rail, etc)*.
However, at least London Underground should be changed for Transport for
London.*

*Second question: network. *The wiki page
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London_public_transport_tagging_scheme
doesn't say much about "network", and these values are in use:

*- London Underground*
*- National Rail*
*- Network Rail*
*- London Overground*
- TfL
- District and Hammersmith & City Lines)

*I would propose to retain the first four, but to change the last two to
London Underground/Overground/DLR as appropriate. *Not sure why that list
doesn't have DLR, maybe it wasn't picked up by my query.

(I have a spreadsheet with the OSM data, in case anybody wants to see the
details, generated from this data http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/hiB.)

If people are in agreement, I'll also amend the wiki page. I'll make some
of the proposed changes as well, but if anybody fancies joining in, that
would be most welcome!

Bjoern
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Re: [Tagging] Bus routes forward/backward

[Tijmen Stam]

On 13-07-16 22:35, Kieron Thwaites wrote:

On 13 July 2016 at 12:57, Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:


+1. Some people also add a third relation (route master) to group the two
(plus eventual variants).


This should be considered mandatory.


What is also done in the Netherlands is grouping all the route_masters 
in a network=public_transport relation, e.g. 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/364180
In the Netherlands, all(most all) public transport is divided into 
concessions, each one of those has their own "Network". The Operator is 
set on the Network.


I just read a forum post 
 which shows that 
this isn't always the case, in Germany the operator is set in the 
"network" or "operator" values of the routes/route_masters.




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Re: [Tagging] Bus routes forward/backward

[Kieron Thwaites]

On 13 July 2016 at 12:57, Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:
>
> +1. Some people also add a third relation (route master) to group the two
> (plus eventual variants).

This should be considered mandatory.

--K

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Re: [Tagging] Bus routes forward/backward

[Paul Johnson]

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 5:57 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:

>
> 2016-07-13 8:39 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson :
>
>> I would advise against this; and instead use a separate relation for each
>> direction of a route as it greatly simplifies maintenance of the route.
>
>
>
>
> +1. Some people also add a third relation (route master) to group the two
> (plus eventual variants).
>

Tends to be a requirement on low-budget big-city transit systems in the US,
for which a route will branch and loop over a broader area at the expense
of frequency of service and travel time.
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Re: [Tagging] Bus routes forward/backward

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2016-07-13 8:39 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson :

> I would advise against this; and instead use a separate relation for each
> direction of a route as it greatly simplifies maintenance of the route.




+1. Some people also add a third relation (route master) to group the two
(plus eventual variants).

Cheers,
Martin
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Re: [Tagging] Bus routes forward/backward

[Paul Johnson]

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 1:08 AM, Hans De Kryger 
wrote:

> If i remove the forward/backward tag on a section of a way (part of the
> bus route) does that signify the bus goes both ways?
>

I would advise against this; and instead use a separate relation for each
direction of a route as it greatly simplifies maintenance of the route.
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