Re: [Tagging] Solar shop

[John Willis]

> On Aug 2, 2017, at 2:45 AM, Dave Swarthout  wrote:
> 
> That would leave us with:
> 
> sells:photovoltaic_devices=yes/no
> sells:wind_turbines=yes/no

Seems like a good fit. I assume storage battery systems (like the Tesla 
powerpacks) will become something sold as well, so having a flexible frame to 
hold all those types and combinations is nice. I think most of these shops will 
have 2-4 sells:*, so it isn’t too big a deal. 

This also allows for stores that are not predominantly power shops to be tagged 
that they do sell them if the mapper thinks it is worth mapping.  It is rare 
for the big-box “electronics” shops here to sell them, but smaller “electric” 
shops (the old mom franchised outlets from a single manufacturer) offer 
weird mixes of stuff, including full solar installations. 
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Re: [Tagging] Solar shop

[John Willis]

> On Aug 2, 2017, at 12:06 AM, SwiftFast  wrote:
> 
> shop=power_equipment
> power_equpiment="(photovoltaic, wind, battery, etc)"
> (NOT power=

Yea, you guys are right. My mistake. 

Javbw

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Re: [Tagging] Solar shop

[Dave Swarthout]

@John, I like the direction this is going but there are valid objections to
using the word power to begin the tag. I think there will be a need to
create a new shop tag either way.

Furthermore, shop=power_equipment is in use already and although there's no
Wiki entry for it, a quick Overpass query indicates it's being used for
shops that sell power tools like electric saws, lawnmowers and the like.
Consequently, I'm inclined to use shop=power_generators. However, as for
adapting SwimFast's method for the dependent tags, again I would be
reluctant to use power_generator=wind, etc., because of the existing focus
on power generating facilities for that tag.

That being said and because so much controversy surrounds using semicolons
to separate values, how about using the much underused "sells" tag? I never
understood why that tag is not being used more than it is currently.

That would leave us with:

sells:photovoltaic_devices=yes/no
sells:wind_turbines=yes/no

Dave

On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 7:06 AM, SwiftFast  wrote:

> On Tue, 2017-08-01 at 20:36 +0900, John Willis wrote:
> >
> > > On Aug 1, 2017, at 1:37 AM, SwiftFast  wrote:
> > >
> > > shop=renewable_energy_equipment
> >
> >
> > This is the right idea, but I would actually go more broadly. There is
> gonna be different methods and combinations going forward.
> >
> > I would go with shop=power_generators and power=*, so any type of power
> generation can be specified (photovoltaic, wind, battery, etc), and can be
> made more specific as needed without making a new shop=* value.
> > Javbw
>
> I agree with the general idea. But using power= or generator:source=
> feels like misusing existing tags. These tags already indicate
> operational power equipment and are unfit for shops in my opinion.
>
> So, something along the lines of:
>
> shop=power_equipment
> power_equpiment="(photovoltaic, wind, battery, etc)"
> (NOT power=)
>
>
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Re: [Tagging] Solar shop

[SwiftFast]

On Tue, 2017-08-01 at 20:36 +0900, John Willis wrote:
> 
> > On Aug 1, 2017, at 1:37 AM, SwiftFast  wrote:
> > 
> > shop=renewable_energy_equipment
> 
> 
> This is the right idea, but I would actually go more broadly. There is gonna 
> be different methods and combinations going forward. 
> 
> I would go with shop=power_generators and power=*, so any type of power 
> generation can be specified (photovoltaic, wind, battery, etc), and can be 
> made more specific as needed without making a new shop=* value. 
> Javbw 

I agree with the general idea. But using power= or generator:source=
feels like misusing existing tags. These tags already indicate
operational power equipment and are unfit for shops in my opinion.

So, something along the lines of:

shop=power_equipment
power_equpiment="(photovoltaic, wind, battery, etc)"
(NOT power=)


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Re: [Tagging] Solar shop

[John Willis]

> On Aug 1, 2017, at 1:37 AM, SwiftFast  wrote:
> 
> shop=renewable_energy_equipment


This is the right idea, but I would actually go more broadly. There is gonna be 
different methods and combinations going forward. 

I would go with shop=power_generators and power=*, so any type of power 
generation can be specified (photovoltaic, wind, battery, etc), and can be made 
more specific as needed without making a new shop=* value. 

If you want to stick with a single value just for solar panels, 
shop=solar_generators or similar is good. 

Solar is a common value for the power keys. We shouldn’t deviate from that 
because somewhere it means diesel fuel. It’s like the paraffin wax/fuel 
language problem, and OSM already uses “solar” to define power from the sun. 

Javbw 
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Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - Transformers extension

[Marcus Hufgard]

Hi Francois,



nice extension. I will go with you



+1



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Marcus






-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: François Lacombe 
Gesendet: Montag 31 Juli 2017 17:39
An: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools 
Betreff: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - Transformers extension

Hi all,

I recently completed my draft for power transformer extension proposal
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Transformer_extension_proposal

It introduces tags but no replacement of previously reviewed ones.
Main adds are as follow:
voltage:primary
voltage:secondary
windings:*
devices

This this a formal RFC to gather comments on how to improve it prior to vote.


Thanks in advance

François

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