Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - yarn shops

[Warin]

On 3/1/23 23:51, Philip Barnes wrote:
Shops selling wool are commonly referred to as wool shops so why not 
shop=wool?


Yarn doesn't seem very intuitive to me as a native English speaker.

Phil (trigpoint)



I think you need to contact a knitter?


https://www.tangled-yarn.co.uk/

https://www.greatbritishyarns.co.uk/

https://loopknitting.com › collections › british-yarns

https://www.thewoolfactory.co.uk

https://www.hobbycraft.co.uk › Knitting & Crochet


All the above use the word 'yarn'...



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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - yarn shops

[Nate Wessel]

Hi all,

I'm going to try to summarize some of my thoughts / findings on this 
issue thanks to all the helpful feedback here so far.


I took a good look through (randomish sample) everything tagged 
shop=wool , and in particular those 
with websites. It does seem like these are almost entirely shops selling 
yarn, though I did find at least one that wasn't but was also a 
plausible "wool" shop with no yarn: https://www.eaglewools.com.au/


For the most part, I'm happy to have found a somewhat more established 
tag that basically matches what I was proposing here 
. 
Though as I and some others have noted, I think the primary thing here 
is that the shop sells /yarn/ (and knitting etc supplies), regardless of 
whether the yarn is made of wool or silk or hemp or eyelashes or 
whatever. Is "wool shop" a British English thing? I (North American) 
really hadn't heard of that before this and would have called this a 
"yarn shop" or "knitting shop". I even found that language on some 
English language websites I looked at.


Random aside: The Polish(?) wiki page 
 for shop=wool 
does seem to mention yarn and knitting directly.


Anyway, if there is consensus that `shop=wool` is an accepted tag for a 
store selling /yarn/, I'm happy to list `shop=yarn` as a deprecated 
tagging on that page and proceed with shop=wool.


With all that in mind, I went ahead and edited the (English) wiki pages 
for shop=[ wool, sewing, haberdashery, fabric ] to try and more clearly 
separate and identify these. For the moment, the difference between a 
sewing shop and a haberdashery is still unclear to me; is a sewing shop 
just a haberdashery that also has some sewing machines and/or fabric? 
...but that can be a conversation for another day.


Let me restate some assumptions for the sake of debate:
* shop=wool is a shop that sells yarn, even if there is no literal wool 
on premises
* a shop selling nothing but wool fabric is shop=fabric (stores do 
specialize in wool suiting)

* a shop selling nothing but wool clothes is shop=clothes

Thoughts?

Thanks,

Nate Wessel
Cartographer, Planner, Transport Nerd
NateWessel.com 
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Re: [Tagging] foreign names for stuff, was: "Mörthe und Mosel"

[Philip Barnes]

On 4 January 2023 22:11:23 GMT, Frederik Ramm  wrote:
>Hi,
>
>On 1/4/23 13:05, Marc_marc wrote:
>> or nothing due the fact that the only "Mörthe und Mosel“
>> is on https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/51856
>> with a name=* in french :)
>
>It does have a name:de though, like other French departements - I was rahter 
>surprised to read "Großer Osten" on a map with German labels, and later found 
>out that there are indeed German tourist guides for this part of France that 
>carry this name.
>
>It is not always easy to determine whether a name is (a) harmless and in use, 
>(b) a silly translation that has no basis in reality ("pont neuf" = "Neue 
>Brücke", 

Reminds me that I discovered name:en='Arch of Triumph' added by a mapbox 
mapper. They removed it when I commented how wrong it was.

Phil (trigpoint)

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Re: [Tagging] foreign names for stuff, was: "Mörthe und Mosel"

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 1/4/23 13:05, Marc_marc wrote:

or nothing due the fact that the only "Mörthe und Mosel“
is on https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/51856
with a name=* in french :)


It does have a name:de though, like other French departements - I was 
rahter surprised to read "Großer Osten" on a map with German labels, and 
later found out that there are indeed German tourist guides for this 
part of France that carry this name.


It is not always easy to determine whether a name is (a) harmless and in 
use, (b) a silly translation that has no basis in reality ("pont neuf" = 
"Neue Brücke", or the recently discovered Latin name "sub tilias" for 
the well-known street "Unter den Linden" in Berlin), or (c) a tactless 
reminder of times of occupation.


We shold prioritize names that are actually signposted on the ground, 
and for those that aren't, at least require a clear indication that the 
name is actually used in everyday language by living beings.


Bye
Frederik

--
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - yarn shops

[stevea]

Note to all on this thread:  The original poster / Proposal author has 
requested that further discussion on this take place on our wiki's Talk page of 
his Proposal [1].

With mail-lists, wiki (and their Talk pages), our newer Discourse forum and 
more (Mastodon servers and myriad proprietary channels like Slack and other 
social media), we do have many ways to communicate with each other.  I like to 
honor requests of Proposal authors, so I've started two minor (follow-up) 
topics on the Talk page as a seed. 

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/yarn_shops
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Re: [Tagging] Change emergency=lifeboat-station to water-rescue

[Andy Townsend]

On 04/01/2023 06:16, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:


With Christmas over, & the start of a new month, thought it must be 
time to revisit 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/emergency%3Dlifeboat_station 



...
Could I please ask for your feedback on the basic idea?

I suspect that any proposal that attempts to deprecate in-use tags 
without suggesting a replacement is likely to be rejected.


Best Regards,

Andy



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Re: [Tagging] "Mörthe und Mosel"

[Marc_marc]

Le 04.01.23 à 11:31, Hartmut Holzgraefe a écrit :

On 1/4/23 11:08, Ulrich Lamm wrote:
Meurthe-et-Moselle ist ein Département der Republik Frankreich und 
sein Gebiet seit vielen Jahrhunderten frankophon.
Der Fluss Meurthe fließt in ganzer Länge durch französisches 
Sprachgebiet.
Die Eindeutschung zu "Mörthe und Mosel“ ist politisch inkorrekt und 
abscheulicher deutscher Nationalismus.



This is the wrong list for such kind of discussion, 
talk...@openstreetmap.org would have

been a better choice.


or nothing due the fact that the only "Mörthe und Mosel“
is on https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/51856
with a name=* in french :)



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Re: [Tagging] "Mörthe und Mosel"

[Hartmut Holzgraefe]

On 1/4/23 11:08, Ulrich Lamm wrote:

Meurthe-et-Moselle ist ein Département der Republik Frankreich und sein Gebiet 
seit vielen Jahrhunderten frankophon.
Der Fluss Meurthe fließt in ganzer Länge durch französisches Sprachgebiet.
Die Eindeutschung zu "Mörthe und Mosel“ ist politisch inkorrekt und 
abscheulicher deutscher Nationalismus.



This is the wrong list for such kind of discussion, talk...@openstreetmap.org 
would have
been a better choice.

This list is about tagging in general (the left side of tag=value mostly), and 
not about specific tag value choices on specific objects

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[Tagging] "Mörthe und Mosel"

[Ulrich Lamm]

Meurthe-et-Moselle ist ein Département der Republik Frankreich und sein Gebiet 
seit vielen Jahrhunderten frankophon.
Der Fluss Meurthe fließt in ganzer Länge durch französisches Sprachgebiet.
Die Eindeutschung zu "Mörthe und Mosel“ ist politisch inkorrekt und 
abscheulicher deutscher Nationalismus.

Beste Grüße
Ulrich Lamm
Fesenfeld 121
28203 Bremen
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