[Tagging] Deprecate sport=cricket_nets

2023-01-30 Thread Illia Marchenko
Hello everyone,
I suggest deprecating sport=cricket_nets on the wiki and recommend
leisure=practice_pitch & sport=cricket as a replacement, since sport=*
generally refers to a sport, not a physical infrastructure.
Regards,
Illia.
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Re: [Tagging] Deprecate sport=cricket_nets

2023-01-30 Thread Marc_marc

Le 30.01.23 à 14:54, Illia Marchenko a écrit :

recommend leisure=practice_pitch


what's the diff with a leisure=pitch ?



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Re: [Tagging] Deprecate sport=cricket_nets

2023-01-30 Thread Illia Marchenko
пн, 30 янв. 2023 г., 18:23 Marc_marc :

> Le 30.01.23 à 14:54, Illia Marchenko a écrit :
> > recommend leisure=practice_pitch
>
> what's the diff with a leisure=pitch ?
>

leisure=practice_pitch is not suitable for full game.
Regards,
Illia.

>
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Re: [Tagging] Deprecate sport=cricket_nets

2023-01-30 Thread Dave F via Tagging

I don't

sport=cricket_nets is fine. it's clear. it's specific. It doesn't 
interfere with any other tags.
The argument that it's not, technically, a sport & therefore inaccurate 
is... meh.


DaveF

On 30/01/2023 13:54, Illia Marchenko wrote:

Hello everyone,
I suggest deprecating sport=cricket_nets on the wiki and recommend 
leisure=practice_pitch & sport=cricket as a replacement, since sport=* 
generally refers to a sport, not a physical infrastructure.

Regards,
Illia.



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[Tagging] leisure=practice_pitch a bad idea because too overspecific for a main tag ?

2023-01-30 Thread Marc_marc

Hello,

Le 30.01.23 à 16:24, Illia Marchenko a écrit :

leisure=practice_pitch is not suitable for full game.


I had not seen that this tag was documented and in the history
we already see the 2 opinions:
when you see an XYZ sports field, do you have to be an expert
in that sport with a measuring device in your pocket to know
if the field is suitable for a match or only for training ?
the news shows from time to time a sports field suddenly becoming
a "training pitch" because the legislation has changed. but if
you ask 1000 contributors who haven't heard the news, i doubt that
any contributor would choose another secondary tag than leisure=pitch
the dimension aspect should be given either by its dimennsions in osm, 
or in a secondary tag and not carried by the main tag.
the documentation of the tag before the last modification on the subject 
showed well that the current situation is to use leisure=pitch also for 
the training grounds


Regards,
Marc



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Re: [Tagging] leisure=practice_pitch a bad idea because too overspecific for a main tag ?

2023-01-30 Thread Illia Marchenko
Marc_marc :

> Hello,
>
> Le 30.01.23 à 16:24, Illia Marchenko a écrit :
> > leisure=practice_pitch is not suitable for full game.
>
> I had not seen that this tag was documented and in the history
> we already see the 2 opinions:
> when you see an XYZ sports field, do you have to be an expert
> in that sport with a measuring device in your pocket to know
> if the field is suitable for a match or only for training ?
> the news shows from time to time a sports field suddenly becoming
> a "training pitch" because the legislation has changed. but if
> you ask 1000 contributors who haven't heard the news, i doubt that
> any contributor would choose another secondary tag than leisure=pitch
> the dimension aspect should be given either by its dimennsions in osm,
> or in a secondary tag and not carried by the main tag.
> the documentation of the tag before the last modification on the subject
> showed well that the current situation is to use leisure=pitch also for
> the training grounds
>

See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Practice_pitch

leisure=practice_pitch is intended for pitches that are physically
unsuitable for normal game - for example, small basketball pitch with one
basket.

Regards,
Illia.

>
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[Tagging] Namensanzeige bei der Sucheingabe / Names presented in the search function

2023-01-30 Thread Ulrich Lamm
Es ist eine Unverschämtheit, bei Sucheingaben die Namen nur noch in der 
Landessprache des Suchenden anzuzeigen und dem/der Suchenden damit die heute 
gültigen Namen vorzuenthalten.
Diese Art der Anzeige ist der Versuch, die OSM-Nutzer einzusperren und ihnen 
die Vorteile des internationalen Projektes vorzuenthalten.

It is impertinent to present OSM-users searching for some place abroad only the 
names in the language of the country, they ask from, and not to show the 
searcher the valid/official names of the country on which he/she wants to get 
informations.
This manipulation is the attempt to retain people mentally in the country where 
they live,
instead of allowing them to enjoy the advantages of the international project.

Ulrich Lamm
Fesenfeld 121
D 28203 Bremen
0049 421 701968
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Re: [Tagging] Namensanzeige bei der Sucheingabe / Names presented in the search function

2023-01-30 Thread Dominik George via Tagging
Hallo Ulrich,

On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 10:22:26PM +0100, Ulrich Lamm wrote:
> Es ist eine Unverschämtheit, bei Sucheingaben die Namen nur noch in der 
> Landessprache des Suchenden anzuzeigen und dem/der Suchenden damit die heute 
> gültigen Namen vorzuenthalten.

Es ist eine Unverschämtheit, nicht mal die Augen aufzumachen und
dann auf die Mailingliste zu kotzen, ohne jegelichen Versuch von Anstand.

> Diese Art der Anzeige ist der Versuch, die OSM-Nutzer einzusperren und ihnen 
> die Vorteile des internationalen Projektes vorzuenthalten.

Diese Feststellung ist schlichtweg gelogen. OpenStreetMap.org zeigt
alle in der Datenbank bekannten Namen in allen Sprachen an.

> It is impertinent to present OSM-users searching for some place abroad only 
> the names in the language of the country, they ask from, and not to show the 
> searcher the valid/official names of the country on which he/she wants to get 
> informations.

It is impertinent to not even take a proper look, but then shout on a mailing 
list
without the slightest respect.

> This manipulation is the attempt to retain people mentally in the country 
> where they live,
> instead of allowing them to enjoy the advantages of the international project.

This statement is a plain lie. OpenStreetMap.org shows
all names known in the database in all languages.


Please refrain from using this mailing list, or any other OSM
communication channel, or even any other communication channel at all,
before adjusting your behaviour.


-nik


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