Re: [Tagging] Re: clootie trees/ rag trees
Strange that the tags aren't on the actual bridge, though.I'm sure there are trees with other things than rags, I think I've seen pacifiers, which might be a votive offering be to help with fertility.However, I wouldn't mind having a general tag like place_of_worship=sacred_tree and then subcategories using sacred_tree as a key. tourism=attraction can of course be added in addition.Anne--Sent from my Android phone with WEB.DE Mail. Please excuse my brevity.On 05/03/2024, 10:59 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: On 4/3/24 07:48, Anne-Karoline Distel via Tagging wrote: > > Hello there, > > does anyone have any opinions about how to map what is called clootie/ > cloughtie/ cloutie trees in Scotland and rag trees or raggedy bushes > in Ireland? > There are things like 'Fairy Bridge on the Isle of Man ' mapped as a tourist attraction https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/10169482883 Some trees are hung with various things too ... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Re: clootie trees/ rag trees
Makes me wonder whether decorating Xmas trees goes back to that tradition. Since Martin Luther introduced them who was dead against Paganism, it is doubtful, but maybe he only introduced the tree, and the decorations came later.I'm learning towards "sacred tree" now, there are quite a few trees described as "sacred" in some way or other according to taginfo.AnneAnne--Sent from my Android phone with WEB.DE Mail. Please excuse my brevity.On 04/03/2024, 20:43 Philip Barnes wrote: This reminded me of The Arbor Tree in Aston-on-Clun. https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/436200174 It is decorated annually on Oak Apple Day (29th May). It is decorated with flags these days but it goes a log way back so I assume it was simpler cloths at one time. https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/5642115 Phil (trigpoint) On Sun, 2024-03-03 at 20:48 +, Anne-Karoline Distel via Tagging wrote: > > Hello there, > > does anyone have any opinions about how to map what is called > clootie/ cloughtie/ cloutie trees in Scotland and rag trees or > raggedy bushes in Ireland? I have used place_of_worship=rag_tree (to > avoid the many different spellings) in combination with natural=tree, > but there is also a category on Wikimedia called "Prayer trees". But > for some prayer trees, you stick coins in the bark instead of tying > rags or ribbons (or other votive offerings) to the branches, so I > think rag trees should be mapped different to coin ones. They're not > historic, but still very much in use in Ireland, the UK (by Neo- > Pagans and Christians alike), and I believe there are other cultures > like Hinduism who use them. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clootie_well > > To my knowledge, "clootie tree" is not used in Ireland at all and > wasn't in the past either (only in the wikimedia category). In > Ireland, the tree is also usually not necessarily connected to a > well. There is one at the Hill of Tara, for example. > > If you like fairy tales, I think there is one in Cinderella, at least > in the Brothers Grimm version. As far as I remember, the dress for > the ball appeared in the tree. > > Anne aka b-unicycling > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] clootie trees/ rag trees
Oh, forgot to say that when I started with place_of_worship=holy_well, some people didn't like the word "holy", because it meant only Christian. That's why I'm not suggesting "holy_tree", but maybe "sacred_tree" would be an option as well, but it doesn't cover the rags, of course. On 03/03/2024 20:48, Anne-Karoline Distel via Tagging wrote: Hello there, does anyone have any opinions about how to map what is called clootie/ cloughtie/ cloutie trees in Scotland and rag trees or raggedy bushes in Ireland? I have used place_of_worship=rag_tree (to avoid the many different spellings) in combination with natural=tree, but there is also a category on Wikimedia called "Prayer trees". But for some prayer trees, you stick coins in the bark instead of tying rags or ribbons (or other votive offerings) to the branches, so I think rag trees should be mapped different to coin ones. They're not historic, but still very much in use in Ireland, the UK (by Neo-Pagans and Christians alike), and I believe there are other cultures like Hinduism who use them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clootie_well To my knowledge, "clootie tree" is not used in Ireland at all and wasn't in the past either (only in the wikimedia category). In Ireland, the tree is also usually not necessarily connected to a well. There is one at the Hill of Tara, for example. If you like fairy tales, I think there is one in Cinderella, at least in the Brothers Grimm version. As far as I remember, the dress for the ball appeared in the tree. Anne aka b-unicycling ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] clootie trees/ rag trees
Hello there, does anyone have any opinions about how to map what is called clootie/ cloughtie/ cloutie trees in Scotland and rag trees or raggedy bushes in Ireland? I have used place_of_worship=rag_tree (to avoid the many different spellings) in combination with natural=tree, but there is also a category on Wikimedia called "Prayer trees". But for some prayer trees, you stick coins in the bark instead of tying rags or ribbons (or other votive offerings) to the branches, so I think rag trees should be mapped different to coin ones. They're not historic, but still very much in use in Ireland, the UK (by Neo-Pagans and Christians alike), and I believe there are other cultures like Hinduism who use them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clootie_well To my knowledge, "clootie tree" is not used in Ireland at all and wasn't in the past either (only in the wikimedia category). In Ireland, the tree is also usually not necessarily connected to a well. There is one at the Hill of Tara, for example. If you like fairy tales, I think there is one in Cinderella, at least in the Brothers Grimm version. As far as I remember, the dress for the ball appeared in the tree. Anne aka b-unicycling ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Re: tagging "loose" paving stones
I was going to say, it was either that or he was taking the piss. Turns out, it must have been the latter, because there were some roadworks going on and I just asked one of the workers. And it's just wear and tear, but he did confirm that there are special paving stones for easier drainage.Well, I guess we all learned something.--Sent from my Android phone with WEB.DE Mail. Please excuse my brevity.On 21/02/2024, 15:35 Yves via Tagging wrote: Out of curiosity, I looked the Web for wiggly pavement for drainage. Somme pavement have extra tips on the side for increased spacing. Apparently, as long as it's built on sand, the drainage is pretty good, no mention of a loose setup. Maybe the politician is very good at his job? ;-) Yves Le 21 février 2024 12:25:39 GMT+01:00, Anne-Karoline Distel via Tagging a écrit : Hi, yes, I think paving_stones is right, but I'm fairly convinced that it was built wiggly on purpose, otherwise the politician wouldn't have had a special word for it. I couldn't find anything on wikipedia about the topic, unfortunately. Cycling across is not a problem, if you don't mind the sound. I don't think the whole width of the street is paved wiggly, just enough to let the water drain, so skaters could use it on the sides. I wasn't too concerned about the mapping for traffic users of the street, more for flood prevention analysis, but maybe that's just not within the scope yet. Anne On 21/02/2024 09:50, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: I also would go with surface=paving_stones - and maybe add also smoothness tag, and agree with Fernando Feb 21, 2024, 01:47 by fernando.treb...@gmail.com: I think they are surface=paving_stones because: - the stones are very flat on top - it seems that the objective was to arrange them snugly, although the fit may have deteriorated a little - it seems pretty easy to ride a bike there, but not skate, which is what one generally expects from surface=paving_stones; surface=sett is a little more difficult for cycling because the stones are less flat and the surface as a whole is also less flat I think surface=sett is usually more like this: https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=53.345215550023994=-6.265817519990492=19.230259053537715=516305962724410=photo=0.5077006613416395=0.584942612357=0 On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 at 15:55, Anne-Karoline Distel via Tagging <tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: That's the best I can do for now: https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=52.65192667=-7.251596667=17=1685817985195902=photo=0.22772882642716127=0.968169011381621=0 You can kind of see the gaps between the stones. On 17/02/2024 17:46, Åbn wrote: I think you should provide a picture. On February 17, 2024 5:19:06 PM UTC, Anne-Karoline Distel via Tagging wrote: I'm not sure I'm understanding the differences between surface=sett and surface=paved or if what I'm trying to map is covered by either. Where I live, there are some streets that are paved, but the stones aren't set firmly, so they wobble a bit when you drive/ cycle over them. It is perfectly safe, but it allows rainwater to drain quicker, at least I think that is the reason for this type of paving. It sounds a bit like a xylophone (well, lithophone, I guess), when going over them. Considering climate change and the higher likelihood of flooding etc, it would be important to map the difference between paved streets that don't allow for quick drainage and these loosely paved streets. There is probably some technical term for it. So, in short: Do we have a tagging scheme for those or not? Anne Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Fe
Re: [Tagging] tagging "loose" paving stones
Hi,
yes, I think paving_stones is right, but I'm fairly convinced that it
was built wiggly on purpose, otherwise the politician wouldn't have had
a special word for it. I couldn't find anything on wikipedia about the
topic, unfortunately.
Cycling across is not a problem, if you don't mind the sound. I don't
think the whole width of the street is paved wiggly, just enough to let
the water drain, so skaters could use it on the sides.
I wasn't too concerned about the mapping for traffic users of the
street, more for flood prevention analysis, but maybe that's just not
within the scope yet.
Anne
On 21/02/2024 09:50, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:
I also would go with surface=paving_stones - and maybe add also
smoothness tag,
and agree with Fernando
Feb 21, 2024, 01:47 by fernando.treb...@gmail.com:
I think they are surface=paving_stones because:
- the stones are very flat on top
- it seems that the objective was to arrange them snugly, although
the fit may have deteriorated a little
- it seems pretty easy to ride a bike there, but not skate, which
is what one generally expects from surface=paving_stones;
surface=sett is a little more difficult for cycling because the
stones are less flat and the surface as a whole is also less flat
I think surface=sett is usually more like this:
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=53.345215550023994=-6.265817519990492=19.230259053537715=516305962724410=photo=0.5077006613416395=0.584942612357=0
<https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=53.345215550023994=-6.265817519990492=19.230259053537715=516305962724410=photo=0.5077006613416395=0.584942612357=0>
On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 at 15:55, Anne-Karoline Distel via Tagging
wrote:
That's the best I can do for now:
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=52.65192667=-7.251596667=17=1685817985195902=photo=0.22772882642716127=0.968169011381621=0
<https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=52.65192667=-7.251596667=17=1685817985195902=photo=0.22772882642716127=0.968169011381621=0>
You can kind of see the gaps between the stones.
On 17/02/2024 17:46, Åbn wrote:
I think you should provide a picture.
On February 17, 2024 5:19:06 PM UTC, Anne-Karoline Distel via
Tagging
<mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
I'm not sure I'm understanding the differences between
surface=sett and surface=paved or if what I'm trying to
map is covered by either. Where I live, there are some
streets that are paved, but the stones aren't set firmly,
so they wobble a bit when you drive/ cycle over them. It
is perfectly safe, but it allows rainwater to drain
quicker, at least I think that is the reason for this
type of paving. It sounds a bit like a xylophone (well,
lithophone, I guess), when going over them. Considering
climate change and the higher likelihood of flooding etc,
it would be important to map the difference between paved
streets that don't allow for quick drainage and these
loosely paved streets. There is probably some technical
term for it. So, in short: Do we have a tagging scheme
for those or not? Anne
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Re: [Tagging] tagging "loose" paving stones
I asked a local Green politician, and it's apparently called "subsidence paving", invented in earthquake zones in northern Italy. On 17/02/2024 17:46, Åbn wrote: I think you should provide a picture. On February 17, 2024 5:19:06 PM UTC, Anne-Karoline Distel via Tagging wrote: I'm not sure I'm understanding the differences between surface=sett and surface=paved or if what I'm trying to map is covered by either. Where I live, there are some streets that are paved, but the stones aren't set firmly, so they wobble a bit when you drive/ cycle over them. It is perfectly safe, but it allows rainwater to drain quicker, at least I think that is the reason for this type of paving. It sounds a bit like a xylophone (well, lithophone, I guess), when going over them. Considering climate change and the higher likelihood of flooding etc, it would be important to map the difference between paved streets that don't allow for quick drainage and these loosely paved streets. There is probably some technical term for it. So, in short: Do we have a tagging scheme for those or not? Anne Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tagging "loose" paving stones
Judging from those photographs, they would be material=sett, but the surface is not the same, as I said, the stones have some room to wiggle, there is no filler in between the stones. On 17/02/2024 18:41, Yves via Tagging wrote: Surface=Paved is generic. Maybe you're talking about cobblestone? <https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/tordanik-once-again-about-sett-and-cobblestone/85564> Le 17 février 2024 18:19:06 GMT+01:00, Anne-Karoline Distel via Tagging a écrit : I'm not sure I'm understanding the differences between surface=sett and surface=paved or if what I'm trying to map is covered by either. Where I live, there are some streets that are paved, but the stones aren't set firmly, so they wobble a bit when you drive/ cycle over them. It is perfectly safe, but it allows rainwater to drain quicker, at least I think that is the reason for this type of paving. It sounds a bit like a xylophone (well, lithophone, I guess), when going over them. Considering climate change and the higher likelihood of flooding etc, it would be important to map the difference between paved streets that don't allow for quick drainage and these loosely paved streets. There is probably some technical term for it. So, in short: Do we have a tagging scheme for those or not? Anne Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tagging "loose" paving stones
That's the best I can do for now: https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=52.65192667=-7.251596667=17=1685817985195902=photo=0.22772882642716127=0.968169011381621=0 You can kind of see the gaps between the stones. On 17/02/2024 17:46, Åbn wrote: I think you should provide a picture. On February 17, 2024 5:19:06 PM UTC, Anne-Karoline Distel via Tagging wrote: I'm not sure I'm understanding the differences between surface=sett and surface=paved or if what I'm trying to map is covered by either. Where I live, there are some streets that are paved, but the stones aren't set firmly, so they wobble a bit when you drive/ cycle over them. It is perfectly safe, but it allows rainwater to drain quicker, at least I think that is the reason for this type of paving. It sounds a bit like a xylophone (well, lithophone, I guess), when going over them. Considering climate change and the higher likelihood of flooding etc, it would be important to map the difference between paved streets that don't allow for quick drainage and these loosely paved streets. There is probably some technical term for it. So, in short: Do we have a tagging scheme for those or not? Anne Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] tagging "loose" paving stones
I'm not sure I'm understanding the differences between surface=sett and surface=paved or if what I'm trying to map is covered by either. Where I live, there are some streets that are paved, but the stones aren't set firmly, so they wobble a bit when you drive/ cycle over them. It is perfectly safe, but it allows rainwater to drain quicker, at least I think that is the reason for this type of paving. It sounds a bit like a xylophone (well, lithophone, I guess), when going over them. Considering climate change and the higher likelihood of flooding etc, it would be important to map the difference between paved streets that don't allow for quick drainage and these loosely paved streets. There is probably some technical term for it. So, in short: Do we have a tagging scheme for those or not? Anne ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Barbers (hairdresser=barber)
I'm very much for that, I've intuitively started using that as well recently. I had used male=only before, but that's no longer PC and hairdresser=barber makes a lot more sense.Good luck,b-unicycling aka AnneOn 02/02/2024, 16:31 Nathan Case wrote: Hi all, RFC for the proposal to introduce "hairdresser"="barber" as the approved way of tagging barbershops: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal:Barbers Please also see previous discussion on the Community Forum: https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/tagging-of-barbers-barbershops/107657 Thanks, Nathan ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
