Re: [Tagging] How do you map shops that consider themselves multiple things?
I choose the main category or the most inclusive. For example, it's more common a bakery that also sells cakes and candies, than a confectionery selling bread. 2017-09-12 11:18 GMT-03:00 Marcos Oliveira <marcosoliveira.2...@gmail.com>: > There are places around me that plubicize have bakery and confectionaries > services and in all of them you could also consider them as cafés. How > would you deal with these cases? > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > -- Wille http://wille.blog.br http://maption.com.br/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion
I also agree with dropping shop=boutique and fashion. 2017-08-29 20:42 GMT-03:00 Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefi...@gmail.com>: > Hi Daniel > > Thanks to you as well - what you've said backs Severin's comments up nicely > > >> In Poland we use "butik" as a clothes fashion shop, however I would also >> drop shop=boutique and shop=fashion. >> > > > >> >> And how should a typical tagger know what market segment it really is? >> > > Especially if it's a man tagging women's clothing stores! :-) > > From these comments, I would agree with dropping both =boutique & > =fashion, leaving only shop=clothes, with type=men's / women's / children's > etc > > Thanks > > Graeme > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > -- Wille http://wille.blog.br http://maption.com.br/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] ferry relations
Thank you, David! I tried to contact the user that made that change in the wiki page. As he didn't answered, I reverted partially his edit. 2017-08-17 12:33 GMT-03:00 David Groom <revi...@pacific-rim.net>: > -- Original Message -- > From: "wille" <wille@gmail.com> > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" < > tagging@openstreetmap.org> > Sent: 17/08/2017 16:06:39 > Subject: [Tagging] ferry relations > > Hello! > > The wiki page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:route%3Dferry says > that " > > *No relation should be used even if the key route > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:route>=* suggests this.".* > However more or less 10% of the route=ferry objects are relations, the > routers and renderers seems to deal well with it and there are very long > routes that shouldn't be a unique way. > > Does that wiki recommendation make sense nowadays? Should we update it? > > Thank you, > -- > Wille > http://wille.blog.br > http://maption.com.br/ > > > I note the wiki page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:route%3Dferry > was > only changed in June of this year to remove the suggestion that relations > could be used. Might be a good idea to see why the wiki editor changed the > page > > David > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > -- Wille http://wille.blog.br http://maption.com.br/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] ferry relations
Hello! The wiki page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:route%3Dferry says that " *No relation should be used even if the key route <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:route>=* suggests this.".* However more or less 10% of the route=ferry objects are relations, the routers and renderers seems to deal well with it and there are very long routes that shouldn't be a unique way. Does that wiki recommendation make sense nowadays? Should we update it? Thank you, -- Wille http://wille.blog.br http://maption.com.br/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] amenity spamming?
I commented in one of his changesets: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/50438835 2017-07-24 15:16 GMT-03:00 SwiftFast <swiftf...@gmx.com>: > EzekielT asked me to post the following in the mailing list: > > I've never done intentional vandalism; and all of those edit problems > were misunderstandings from over a year ago. I'd already explained to > SomeoneElse from the DWG about those misunderstandings a long time ago; > and everything was already resolved. > > -- EzekielT (talk), Mon Jul 24, 14:10. > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Wille http://wille.blog.br http://maption.com.br/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Mapping time zones as geometries (relations)
w.remote.org/frederik/tmp/tz6.jpg > > Assuming that these boundaries are actually correct, the only places in > which time zone boundaries don't follow admin boundaries are: > > * In South America, the Western boundary of the Manaus timezone and the > Eastern boundary of the Santarem timezone; > > * In North America, the line between the Hermosillo and Santa Isabel > timezones, the Phoenix timezone, a small part of the boundary between > the Los Angeles and Boise time zones in Malheur county, the Chicago > Timezone in Cherry County, a piece of the Los Angeles timezone in Idaho, > the line between Vancouver and Dawson Creek respectively Creston > timezones, two incursions into the Regina timezone for Edmonton and > Winnipeg, two micro timezones called Nipigon and Thunder Bay, as well as > the Iqaluit and Rankin Inlet timezones far North. (Strangely, around > Alaske the timezone boundary seems to include a few miles of water that > are not included in the admin boundary - a quirk in mapping or a quirk > in time zone definitions?) > > As you can see in the images, these lines make up just a fraction of > time zone boundaries (and it is quite possible that some of these just > shine up because the matching admin6 boundaries haven't yet been mapped). > > I fear that the presence of *some* time zone relations will entice > people to map even more of them, unnecessarily introducing extra > geometries into our database when you could easily build time zone > geometries by either (a) keeping an external database that says "Time > Zone X consists of the following administrative units" and then > collecting the units from OSM, or (b) adding a time zone tag to > adminsitrative entities in OSM - namely, the highest entitiy that still > has the same time zone which will often be a whole country, sometimes an > admin-4 entity and very rarely an admin-6 entity. > > If there are really some time zone bits and pieces that don't follow > admin boudnaries (maybe they're marked with signs on the ground > "caution, wind back your clock all ye who pass here"?) then maybe those > few bits can be mapped as individual objects... but please, don't > inflate OSM with time zone geometries just because "it's easier to > consume that way" (which is the gist from a discussion I had with a time > zone mapper). > > I am worried because with the same reasoning, you could start mapping > things like "states that have signed up to the XYZ treaty", "states in > which XYZ is legal/illegal", or anything else. It's a slippery slope, > and *if* time zones are mapped in OSM at all, I'd rather not have them > mapped as giant geomtries in their own right, but as properties. > > I have recently deleted a few time zone relations in the US and, > grudgingly, reinstated them because I had to accept that a prior > discussion was called for. (Changeset discussion here > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/45644359), and I also requested > the deletion of > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dtimezone which > prompted verdy_p to write a small novel on the talk page there. > > I find the subject of time zones hugely interesting and seeing the > quirks mapped above has already sent me on a journey reading up on the > details, but I still think that the mapping of time zones as geometries > should be discouraged in OSM. > > What do you think? > > Bye > Frederik > > -- > Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Wille http://wille.blog.br http://maption.com.br/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] service:car for car shops and repair
Martin, I saw the reference to service=dealer;repair;tyres;parts in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dcar_repair#Tags_used_in_combination Dave, I fully agree with your opinion. Wille 2016-10-31 22:36 GMT-02:00 Dave Swarthout <daveswarth...@gmail.com>: > Regardless of whether the service tag is "overused for highways", whatever > that means, it is still a tag with a clear meaning and some historical > usage. There currently are about 10K uses of service:bicycle:xx in Taginfo > (xx=:repairs, :retail, and :pump) so it makes sense to expand this scheme. > > The tag "sells" is in very limited use at the moment. We had a discussion > concerning "sells" on this list a while ago IIRC and it was dealing with > supermarkets and what they sell, e.g., sells=eggs, sells=toiletries, etc. > Someone was proposing that OSM could include the entire inventory of such > shops, which is IMO clearly beyond the scope of our present database usage. > > As for the question posed by Martin regarding a shop=car with a tag of > service=parts, "What does it mean if a shop=car has service=parts attached? > Is it selling car parts?" Yes, it means that a car shop selling cars _also_ > sells car parts. The Wiki says that if a shop sells only parts, to use the > shop=car_parts tag. > > I don't think this present discussion needs to apply to _all_ shops, as > Warin suggests, but only to the particular top level tags of shop=car, > shop_bicycle, and shop=motorcycle for which some sort of expanded tagging > scheme regarding the services they offer would be very welcome. > > I'm not against the "sells" tag but I can't find anything about it in the > Wiki and the most used tag in Taginfo is sells:tobacco with 16 instances. > All the rest have only one instance. So, how should we proceed? > > Dave > > On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 5:35 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 01-Nov-16 09:13 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> >> >> >> sent from a phone >> >> Il giorno 31 ott 2016, alle ore 22:01, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> ha >> scritto: >> >> The same 'pattern' should be used for all shops. >> >> service:thing=* where things could be shoe, cloths, etc >> >> >> >> like service:wine=bottles;casks;goblets? >> service:harddrives=yes;dealer;defragmentation? >> service:shoes=high_heels;sandals;flip_flops;sneakers? Or >> service:shoes:high_heels=repair? service:shoelaces=dealer? >> >> Why "service"? >> >> >> Service .. in this instance I would take it as a physical activity that >> may include replacement of parts such as ; >> maintenance (e.g. regular service of a car - oil change etc) >> repair (e.g. replacing a zipper on a jacket) >> >> Parts .. I would see as a sells thing ... >> Most English speakers would never consider 'wine bottle service' , that >> is a selling activity (unless your a glass blower reforming a broken >> bottle). >> Again this should be common for all shops, and I believe I have had this >> discussion on 'sells' here .. only to have it rejected as 'not for OSM' and >> 'hard to maintain' etc. >> Mappers are tagging this information into the data base .. in any fashion >> .. and that leads to a mess. >> If this tagging group wants to provide guidance on sensible tagging then >> suggest better methods! >> >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> Martin >> >> >> ___ >> Tagging mailing >> listTagging@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >> >> >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >> > > > -- > Dave Swarthout > Homer, Alaska > Chiang Mai, Thailand > Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > -- Wille http://wille.blog.br http://maption.com.br/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] service:car for car shops and repair
Just a correction, the tag namespace that Bryan is proposing is service:vehicle:*, not service:car 2016-10-31 18:12 GMT-02:00 wille <wille@gmail.com>: > Hi, > > Some days ago I made a pull request to iD editor with some fields to make > it easy for the user to set the service:bicycle tags in Bicycle shops. > Bryan Housel, iD main developer, proposed to use the same pattern to car > repair and shop tags. > > Currently, the wiki recommendation is to tag the services offered by a > car_shop or car_retail using service > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:service>=dealer;repair;tyres; > parts > > I thinks it's a good idea, since the service=* tags are used to highways > and it will put in the same pattern the bicycles and car shops. > > What do you think about it? If you want to read the topic, see: > https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/pull/3517 and https://github.com/ > openstreetmap/iD/issues/3535 > > Thank you, > > -- > Wille > http://wille.blog.br > http://maption.com.br/ > -- Wille http://wille.blog.br http://maption.com.br/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] service:car for car shops and repair
Hi, Some days ago I made a pull request to iD editor with some fields to make it easy for the user to set the service:bicycle tags in Bicycle shops. Bryan Housel, iD main developer, proposed to use the same pattern to car repair and shop tags. Currently, the wiki recommendation is to tag the services offered by a car_shop or car_retail using service <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:service>=dealer;repair;tyres;parts I thinks it's a good idea, since the service=* tags are used to highways and it will put in the same pattern the bicycles and car shops. What do you think about it? If you want to read the topic, see: https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/pull/3517 and https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/3535 Thank you, -- Wille http://wille.blog.br http://maption.com.br/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Non formal education
Hello, I'm new in this discussion list, sorry if this subject was already discussed. I believe we don't have approved tags for non formal education institutions, like language schools, music and other art schools, etc. I saw that there are two proposals, one for amenity=music_school and other to amenity=language_school. On other side we have a proposal of amenity=training, with an additional tag training=*. How can I help to accelerate the approval of one of these tags, so our editor software could support and stimulate the users to map it in a proper way? I think amenity=training plus training=* is the better way to map it, but I'm not sure if training is the best word to describe those places. What do you think about it? Best regards, -- Wille http://wille.blog.br ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - aerobridge
Sorry for that I write this mail again. Forgot to copy my message in. Link to the Proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/aerobridge Short description: Aerobridges should be tagged and rendered, because they are important infastructures at airports. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
