Re: [Tagging] Enforcement of access rules
2012/10/24 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com How would I go about formalizing this proposal? Do I need to make a proposal page? I'm not trying to add a feature, just to expand on one. Since I've received no replies, I'll proceed to add the access value for the enforcement key in the Enforcement Relation's wiki page. For the sake of fairness, I'll add a note to the Talk page, and I'll wait a couple of days before moving it to the main page. As to the enforcement_device tag, I guess I'll have to make a proposal? Regards, Simone ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Enforcement of access rules
2012/10/29 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: As to the enforcement_device tag, I guess I'll have to make a proposal? Have a look at this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Key:Surveillance It is already in use: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/surveillance#values So maybe it would be better to tag the device with the surveilance key and use the node with role device in the enforcement relation. Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Enforcement of access rules
2012/10/29 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com 2012/10/29 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: As to the enforcement_device tag, I guess I'll have to make a proposal? Have a look at this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Key:Surveillance It is already in use: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/surveillance#values So maybe it would be better to tag the device with the surveilance key and use the node with role device in the enforcement relation. In this case, surveillance=public. Ok. Thanks, Simone ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Enforcement of access rules
2012/10/29 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: In this case, surveillance=public. Ok. Not (yet) documented, but used: surveilance:type http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/surveillance%3Atype And there's also your camera :-) Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Enforcement of access rules
2012/10/29 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com: 2012/10/29 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: In this case, surveillance=public. Ok. Not (yet) documented, but used: surveilance:type http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/surveillance%3Atype And there's also your camera :-) There is a proposal for this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extended_tags_for_Key:Surveillance maybe in some cases you could also use barrier:video from this proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/New_barrier_types cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Enforcement of access rules
As the key surveillance is obviously defacto approved we should write a proper documentation for it and link it to the proposal for the extension. And as the extension seems to be used also maybe we should also update the status and write a documentation. Any volunteers? Martin 2012/10/29 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2012/10/29 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com: 2012/10/29 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: In this case, surveillance=public. Ok. Not (yet) documented, but used: surveilance:type http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/surveillance%3Atype And there's also your camera :-) There is a proposal for this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extended_tags_for_Key:Surveillance maybe in some cases you could also use barrier:video from this proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/New_barrier_types cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Enforcement of access rules
I wish to map the cameras that my municipality is installing these days to enforce the access restriction in the ZTL ( = limited traffic area). I think the most appropriate structure to do this would be the enforcement relation [1], but none of the listed types of enforcement is up to the task. I would therefore suggest adding a new type of enforcement: enforcement=access, possibly further detailed by an access=* tag (and all possible specifications, like foot=yes/no). The relation would have to include as members both the device node (more on this later), and the way it guards the access to (which may also mean that no explicit access details need to be included in the relation, because they should already be specified on the guarded way). About the device: I haven't found a suitable tag for such a camera. Should we think of a specific tag (like, highway=access_camera), or rather should we try to come up with a more generic way of indicating an electronic detector? Perhaps, something like enforcement_device=*, with possible values like speed_camera, access_camera... Do you have critiques or suggestions? Ciao, Simone [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:enforcement ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Enforcement of access rules
2012/10/24 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: I wish to map the cameras that my municipality is installing these days to enforce the access restriction in the ZTL ( = limited traffic area). I think the most appropriate structure to do this would be the enforcement relation [1], but none of the listed types of enforcement is up to the task. I would therefore suggest adding a new type of enforcement: enforcement=access, possibly further detailed by an access=* tag (and all possible specifications, like foot=yes/no). The relation would have to include as members both the device node (more on this later), and the way it guards the access to (which may also mean that no explicit access details need to be included in the relation, because they should already be specified on the guarded way). About the device: I haven't found a suitable tag for such a camera. Should we think of a specific tag (like, highway=access_camera), or rather should we try to come up with a more generic way of indicating an electronic detector? Perhaps, something like enforcement_device=*, with possible values like speed_camera, access_camera... I think it would be better to have just camera and get the what is enforced from the enforcement-tag. A camera is a camera. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Enforcement of access rules
2012/10/24 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2012/10/24 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: I wish to map the cameras that my municipality is installing these days to enforce the access restriction in the ZTL ( = limited traffic area). I think the most appropriate structure to do this would be the enforcement relation [1], but none of the listed types of enforcement is up to the task. I would therefore suggest adding a new type of enforcement: enforcement=access, possibly further detailed by an access=* tag (and all possible specifications, like foot=yes/no). The relation would have to include as members both the device node (more on this later), and the way it guards the access to (which may also mean that no explicit access details need to be included in the relation, because they should already be specified on the guarded way). About the device: I haven't found a suitable tag for such a camera. Should we think of a specific tag (like, highway=access_camera), or rather should we try to come up with a more generic way of indicating an electronic detector? Perhaps, something like enforcement_device=*, with possible values like speed_camera, access_camera... I think it would be better to have just camera and get the what is enforced from the enforcement-tag. A camera is a camera. I agree, but a speed camera is not actually a camera. I hoped it would be possible to differentiate between an actual video camera (whose capture is processed to detect plate numbers), an RFID detector, a radio Doppler measurement, a magnetic strip, and so on. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Enforcement of access rules
2012/10/24 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: I agree, but a speed camera is not actually a camera. -1, it is, and it is combined with a device to measure the speed of the vehicle. I hoped it would be possible to differentiate between an actual video camera (whose capture is processed to detect plate numbers), an RFID detector, a radio Doppler measurement, a magnetic strip, and so on. These are details that might be of interest to someone, but mostly what is relevant to who uses the map is _what_ is measured (e.g. access, speed) and not how (laser, radio doppler, ...), so I'd put the latter into a subtag if you want to store this info. Another attribute could be whether this is a video camera or a photo camera (also a detail, and maybe not clear from only looking at the device?). At least in the older days speed cams often were/are analogue photo cameras, while I guess that the newer ones will be digital cameras (=able to do video recording, digital upload to a server, ...). cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Enforcement of access rules
2012/10/24 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: I think it would be better to have just camera and get the what is enforced from the enforcement-tag. A camera is a camera. I agree, but a speed camera is not actually a camera. I hoped it would be possible to differentiate between an actual video camera (whose capture is processed to detect plate numbers), an RFID detector, a radio Doppler measurement, a magnetic strip, and so on. I still would only use camera and a) if necessary, and b) the information is available, and c) the mapper cares enough to provide it, a sub-key to specify the exact type of camera. Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Enforcement of access rules
2012/10/24 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2012/10/24 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: I agree, but a speed camera is not actually a camera. -1, it is, and it is combined with a device to measure the speed of the vehicle. Ok, I see what you mean. Then I suggest something along the lines of enforcement_device=yes with the option to specify enforcement_device=* from a list of device types (much like building=*). How would I go about formalizing this proposal? Do I need to make a proposal page? I'm not trying to add a feature, just to expand on one. Simone ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
