Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - building:soft_storey
On 04/02/19 09:27, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 3. Feb 2019, at 19:25, Stefano Maffulli wrote: Evaluating seismic quality of any structure needs to be done by professionals. this is still my criticism for the proposed tag as well: only a professional can reasonably estimate whether a building has a floor that is significantly less earthquake resistant I could not evaluate it either. But then I think if someone wants to enter that data in to OSM that is fine. The fact that someone can specify what a plant species is and I cannot does not mean it cannot go in to OSM. To me this proposal looks like a preparation for an import. Oh dear. A dirty filthy import. Where would OSM be if they were allowed? A lot more blank areas on the map. May be not where you are, but in some places they have been very usefull. --- If you cannot use a tag, don't use it. But don't ban its use just because you cannot use it. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - building:soft_storey
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - building:soft_storey
sent from a phone > On 3. Feb 2019, at 19:25, Stefano Maffulli wrote: > > Evaluating seismic quality of any structure needs to be done by professionals. this is still my criticism for the proposed tag as well: only a professional can reasonably estimate whether a building has a floor that is significantly less earthquake resistant than its other flooding. To me this proposal looks like a preparation for an import. Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - building:soft_storey
On 2/3/19 3:13 AM, marc marc wrote: if the goal is to define the seismic quality of a building, That's not the goal. The goal is to have an easy way to identify buildings that are more likely to require attention in the immediate aftermath of an earthquake. wouldn't it be better to have a more meaningful tag that allows to have more than a binary value? maybe prexifed with seismic_quality in stead of building in order to be able to extend this in the future to bridges or other critical objects if some contributors see an interest in it. I mentioned this on the talk page: I think this can be valuable but it's a separate project. Evaluating seismic quality of any structure needs to be done by professionals. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - building:soft_storey
On 03/02/19 13:13, marc marc wrote: Le 02.02.19 à 18:09, Stefano Maffulli a écrit : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/building:soft_storey Definition: a type of construction where any one floor is significantly more flexible (less stiff) than those above and below it if the goal is to define the seismic quality of a building, wouldn't it be better to have a more meaningful tag that allows to have more than a binary value? Unfortunately the method used in binary. And probably subjective. A full objective measurement would cost money and they simply don't want to do it. Do you have a method that is in use that gives a more meaningfull value? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - building:soft_storey
Le 02.02.19 à 18:09, Stefano Maffulli a écrit : >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/building:soft_storey >> Definition: a type of construction where any one floor is >> significantly more flexible (less stiff) than those above and below it if the goal is to define the seismic quality of a building, wouldn't it be better to have a more meaningful tag that allows to have more than a binary value? maybe prexifed with seismic_quality in stead of building in order to be able to extend this in the future to bridges or other critical objects if some contributors see an interest in it. existing objects from an old project a few years old can easily be converted if this is the only reason to keep the proposed tag ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - building:soft_storey
Hello folks, discussion is tapering off on The proposal page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/building:soft_storey Definition: a type of construction where any one floor is significantly more flexible (less stiff) than those above and below it If there are no more objections or comments, I'll prepare for voting some time next week. BTW, I'm at FOSDEM tomorrow afternoon in the geo devroom, in case you want to discuss in person, too. Cheers, stef ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - building:soft_storey
Thank-you very much, Stefano: very nice job! I hope you don't mind: I made some very minor adjustements to the wording, but of course you can revert them if you do not agree... Cheers, Sergio On 2019-01-24 09:53, Stefano Maffulli wrote: > Hello folks, > > I put together a proposal page after our conversations on the list[1]. There > doesn't seem to be a strong opinion in favor or against building:soft_storey > as a key, and given that the key is already in use[2], I suggest we use it. > > The proposal page: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/building:soft_storey > > Definition: a type of construction where any one floor is significantly more > flexible (less stiff) than those above and below it > > Let's continue the discussion on the Talk page. > > Thanks, > > Stef > > [1] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2018-December/041498.html > > [2] https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/building:soft_storey > > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - building:soft_storey
Hello folks, I put together a proposal page after our conversations on the list[1]. There doesn't seem to be a strong opinion in favor or against building:soft_storey as a key, and given that the key is already in use[2], I suggest we use it. The proposal page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/building:soft_storey Definition: a type of construction where any one floor is significantly more flexible (less stiff) than those above and below it Let's continue the discussion on the Talk page. Thanks, Stef [1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2018-December/041498.html [2] https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/building:soft_storey ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
