Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=fitness_centre
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: The only other tag that would work is amenity=fitness_centre. Taginfo would indicate that amenity is the most used. Taginfo results leisure=fitness_centre (and other spelling variations) = 452 (leisure=fitness_centre is used 440 times.) amenity=fitness_centre (and other spelling variations) = 687 (amenity=fitness_center is used 507 times.) Well, the usage of amenity=fitness_centre over leisure=fitness_centre is much too small that I think we can go with either option. I myself prefer leisure=fitness_centre because amenity=* is overloaded and I agree with the sentiment that fitness is more of a leisure thing that people do when they have free time. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=fitness_centre
On 29.12.2014 04:51, Bryan Housel wrote: Yes, `amenity` please. A gym is something people want to know about when traveling, just as much as other tourist stuff, food, lodging, etc. Then you should advocate tourism=fitness_centre. I prefer the leisure key, because fitness is something you do in your leisure time. -- Friedrich K. Volkmann http://www.volki.at/ Adr.: Davidgasse 76-80/14/10, 1100 Wien, Austria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=fitness_centre
On 29.12.2014 04:25, Clifford Snow wrote: Sport isn't a physical tag, where a baseball field is. I think the same applies to fitness centers. You can survey a fitness center. Not a sport. As a kid, I played baseball in a vacant lot. I agree that sport=* cannot be used on its own. It is an attribute. It should be combined with a more physical tag (amenity=*, leisure=*). leisure=pitch can be used as the main tag. leisure=sports_centre can be used as a main tag. leisure=fitness_station too. We can use these tags for most fitness venues, except for parts of containing sports centres. One example is the aforementioned fitness centre in a rowing club. While leisure=fitness_centre is a specific solution for fitness rooms, it won't work for squash rooms, tennis halls, soccer halls etc. Therefore, we might want to look for some more generic way to tag parts of sports centres. As it is some kind of indoor mapping, room=* comes to mind. But what if a whole complex of rooms is dedicated to one sport? -- Friedrich K. Volkmann http://www.volki.at/ Adr.: Davidgasse 76-80/14/10, 1100 Wien, Austria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=fitness_centre
2014-12-28 23:35 GMT+01:00 Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de: fitness_centre:access=membership, fitness_centre:access=club? private? Or have something like fitness_centre=yes? (Not sure as we already have sport=*) Why complicate things? I think a simple access=private (or maybe access=membership) should be enough. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=fitness_centre
What’s leisure time? It’s 5:30am here and I’m about to head to the gym, like I do most days. On Dec 29, 2014, at 3:29 AM, Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at wrote: On 29.12.2014 04:51, Bryan Housel wrote: Yes, `amenity` please. A gym is something people want to know about when traveling, just as much as other tourist stuff, food, lodging, etc. Then you should advocate tourism=fitness_centre. I prefer the leisure key, because fitness is something you do in your leisure time. -- Friedrich K. Volkmann http://www.volki.at/ Adr.: Davidgasse 76-80/14/10, 1100 Wien, Austria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=fitness_centre
fitness_centre:access=__membership, fitness_centre:access=club? private? Or have something like fitness_centre=yes? (Not sure as we already have sport=*) Why complicate things? I think a simple access=private (or maybe access=membership) should be enough. Thought about that, too. Problem I see is that membership could just as much be interpreted as membership in a sports club. __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=fitness_centre
What’s leisure time? It’s 5:30am here and I’m about to head to the gym, like I do most days. The leisure tag is for places people go in their spare time. So I'd say that's exactly what you are doing. You are not at work or on holidays. You could just as much edit OpenStreetMap or pursue any other hobby instead. __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=fitness_centre
On 27.12.2014 16:20, Andreas Goss wrote: What's wrong with sport=fitness and leisure=sports_centre? Persoanlly I think it would result in all kind of facilities being tagged like this, even though it's not the primary purpose. For example someone posted a User Diary entry about rowing clubs in Denmark and that some have a fitness centre. I don't know about you, but that's not exacly for I'm looking for when searching for one. Why not? Some rowing clubs spend more money on exercise machines than on boats. They are quite proud of their included fitness centers. I like the idea of tagging the clubs's entire property as leisure=sports_centre + sport=rowing, and additionally sport=fitness (or sport=gymnastics) to the building or room dedicated to that. But I wouldn't tag it as a leisure=sports_centre on its own. It is only part of the surrounding sports_centre. -- Friedrich K. Volkmann http://www.volki.at/ Adr.: Davidgasse 76-80/14/10, 1100 Wien, Austria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=fitness_centre
I like the idea of tagging the clubs's entire property as leisure=sports_centre + sport=rowing, and additionally sport=fitness (or sport=gymnastics) to the building or room dedicated to that. But I wouldn't tag it as a leisure=sports_centre on its own. It is only part of the surrounding sports_centre. That's fine for a stuation like that, but do want to join a rowing club when you just moved to a city and a looking for a fitness centre to work out? Because that's my issue when having leisure=sports_centre + sport=rowing as tag for your usual commercial gym. __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=fitness_centre
On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 7:44 AM, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote: That's fine for a stuation like that, but do want to join a rowing club when you just moved to a city and a looking for a fitness centre to work out? Because that's my issue when having leisure=sports_centre + sport=rowing as tag for your usual commercial gym. +1 -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=fitness_centre
Because that's my issue when having leisure=sports_centre + sport=rowing as tag for your usual commercial gym. Oops. I mean sport=fitness (So a rowing club would be fine with leisure=sports_centre + sport=rowing,fitness) __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=fitness_centre
On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote: Because that's my issue when having leisure=sports_centre + sport=rowing as tag for your usual commercial gym. Oops. I mean sport=fitness (So a rowing club would be fine with leisure=sports_centre + sport=rowing,fitness) Are you suggesting that a typical fitness centre would be tagged as leisure=fitness_centre. But if it is located in a sports_centre, it would have a different tag? Wouldn't that approach lead to some confusion? Why not just tag any fitness facility within a sports_centre as leisure=fitness_centre. Water fountains, benches, parking, etc. aren't tagged any different just because they are located inside a sports centre. I like the original proposal leisure=fitness_centre. It would work no matter where it is located. Clifford -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=fitness_centre
Water fountains, benches, parking, etc. aren't tagged any different just because they are located inside a sports centre. But are people searching for that the same way? If I look for stuff like that I'm probably somewhere outside and just look what's near me. Then I probaby realize pretty fast if it is public or private. Would you tag a sauna inside a sports/fitness centre with shop=sauna or rather sauna=yes? On the other hand if I look for a fitness centre I'm probably at home I want to find one to work out and see what's available in the city, how close it is, can I reach it with public transport, is there parking, look up the website for pricing etc. And having all kind of private gyms would not give a good overview. I like the original proposal leisure=fitness_centre. It would work no matter where it is located. It certainly could, but then I would say we also need some kind of subtag to indicate if you just sign up for a gym membership or if you have to join some kind of larger sports club. Then do you tag this as individual node in a sports centre? fitness_centre:access=membership, fitness_centre:access=club? private? Or have something like fitness_centre=yes? (Not sure as we already have sport=*) Honestly didn't think that much about this, because I just wanted a tag in the first place ;D __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=fitness_centre
On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote: ess_centre:access=membership, fitness_centre:access=club? private? Or have something like fitness_centre=yes? (Not sure as we already have sport=*) Honestly didn't think that much about this, because I just wanted a tag in the first place ;D I agree a documented fitness tag is needed. Looking at the sport tag, it is normally associated with the leisure tag. Sport isn't a physical tag, where a baseball field is. I think the same applies to fitness centers. You can survey a fitness center. Not a sport. As a kid, I played baseball in a vacant lot. The only other tag that would work is amenity=fitness_centre. Taginfo would indicate that amenity is the most used. Taginfo results leisure=fitness_centre (and other spelling variations) = 452 (leisure=fitness_centre is used 440 times.) amenity=fitness_centre (and other spelling variations) = 687 (amenity=fitness_center is used 507 times.) My sense is most fitness centres are not associated with sports centres. To keep it simple, lets tag fitness centres as either leisure or amenity. I'd be happy to change the ones I've tagged to whatever the consensus is. Early on I created a proposal at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Fitness_Center. It didn't seem to gain any traction and it was before I understood that British English spelling was prefered. You are welcome to use any of the proposal. Clifford -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=fitness_centre
Yes, `amenity` please. A gym is something people want to know about when traveling, just as much as other tourist stuff, food, lodging, etc. On Dec 28, 2014, at 10:25 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: The only other tag that would work is amenity=fitness_centre. Taginfo would indicate that amenity is the most used. Taginfo results leisure=fitness_centre (and other spelling variations) = 452 (leisure=fitness_centre is used 440 times.) amenity=fitness_centre (and other spelling variations) = 687 (amenity=fitness_center is used 507 times.) My sense is most fitness centres are not associated with sports centres. To keep it simple, lets tag fitness centres as either leisure or amenity. I'd be happy to change the ones I've tagged to whatever the consensus is. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=fitness_centre
From the German Forum... just wanted to mention this here, too. http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=29190 What's wrong with sport=fitness and leisure=sports_centre? Persoanlly I think it would result in all kind of facilities being tagged like this, even though it's not the primary purpose. For example someone posted a User Diary entry about rowing clubs in Denmark and that some have a fitness centre. I don't know about you, but that's not exacly for I'm looking for when searching for one. __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=fitness_centre
I wonder how we can tag fitness center attributes, such as pool, steam, sauna/ etc. They very all over the place. Being able do documenting features would allow health clubs sites to be included. I would see this as a 2nd step, for the start I would really just like to be able to tag this in general. Then we also will get a better overview what's out there and what people like to tag. I guess you could go for something like fitness_centre=* and define different types, but not sure if it's that clear, there will be some overlapping. Or you do simple stuff like sauna=yes. Guess that depends a bit on how many tags we end up with. __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=fitness_centre
Just had the great idea to suggest tagging gyms/fintess centres for the German a weekly task (new year's resolutions incoming), when I realized we still don't have tagging schema for it. After I failed to address the issues with leisure=gym in my last proposal (ambiguity of the word gym) and don't see how to address them I made this new proposal with leisure=fitness_centre as I see it as only viable option left. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/leisure%3Dfitness_centre __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=fitness_centre
On 25 December 2014 at 14:21, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote: Just had the great idea to suggest tagging gyms/fintess centres for the German a weekly task (new year's resolutions incoming), when I realized we still don't have tagging schema for it. Thanks for addressing this. Fitness centres really need a documented way of tagging. For me any of the options are fine, as long as we can agree on one. -- Matthijs ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=fitness_centre
Matthijs Melissen wrote on 2014-12-25 22:35: On 25 December 2014 at 14:21, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote: Just had the great idea to suggest tagging gyms/fintess centres for the German a weekly task (new year's resolutions incoming), when I realized we still don't have tagging schema for it. Thanks for addressing this. Fitness centres really need a documented way of tagging. For me any of the options are fine, as long as we can agree on one. -- Matthijs +1 tom ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=fitness_centre
On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 6:21 AM, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote: Just had the great idea to suggest tagging gyms/fintess centres for the German a weekly task (new year's resolutions incoming), when I realized we still don't have tagging schema for it. After I failed to address the issues with leisure=gym in my last proposal (ambiguity of the word gym) and don't see how to address them I made this new proposal with leisure=fitness_centre as I see it as only viable option left. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/ leisure%3Dfitness_centre Leisure is better than sport. Personally I don't consider going to a fitness center a sport. Amenity is the only other real option but it is overloaded. And as you said, fitness centers is a leisure time actively for most of us. I wonder how we can tag fitness center attributes, such as pool, steam, sauna/ etc. They very all over the place. Being able do documenting features would allow health clubs sites to be included. Also, please excuse the US version of centre. Clifford -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
