Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium
The typical planetarium in the USA is attached to a museum, and most offer separately ticketed shows (stars, movies, talks). A lens-based star projectors once distinguished a planetarium. No more. Now these are basically digital movie theaters with a curved screen. As such they are most akin to a movie theater in my view. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I count your votings on tagging-mailinglist: leisure 2x tourism 3x amenity 4x Finally I vote also for amenity=planetarium. I'm going to create/modify the wiki pages in that way. Regards Johannes On 25.02.2014 18:17, Paul Johnson wrote: On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote: clearly not everyone has been there to see the busloads of elementary school kids who are actually the main visitors to planetariums. Oh, I have. Granted, I only have the planetarium at the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry to go by, and it's not the daytime exhibits that bring in their bread and butter. Could be Portland being Portland. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTDjV/AAoJEIhNWXvfzcR1peQH/1LhnKahipXNwzKmjNEg2dUx YOaZ0iK/GAkmGxy5Ins8wPRifVRg9JUpALQu6QrsroPkDZn6acYk3ZgLgt53RJ8y 9DoPU37KW4ap6mehW1z3nygHM8DCcUsBZlfaShLFVjbnnZvTaufqp6in6HhtcHsY doWrCUcpl9GOnwjFgHjbpnD3Ec3reI1Ml2smOruDsLQ+xARS1cp8Zh624Vr75HiH Dd/G+V0CSjTzxFOPNu5JLYNq2mImA8yEoJd2veUKjKBl1JGngWoTkwUxeJlSUQGG DMeue/Bl2BwaEjJEMD8+k561VM2b/VNCP/62jMau/Mb/T/Yn1YDSHOHn4B9AfVI= =P/m0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium
Hi all, Well amenity=* has been something of a default choice in the past, so the definition is quite stretched from community facilities as the wiki puts it. There are some well-established tags that might be better as leisure=* or tourism=* if we were starting from scratch. So I'd suggest tourism=planetarium might be the best choice; but all of the suggestions are fine really! Dan 2014-02-25 0:28 GMT+00:00 Dave Swarthout daveswarth...@gmail.com: I think amenity=planetarium is perfectly reasonable. A planetarium is a place that resembles a theater but the show involves models of the planets and/or the stars universe. If OSM can have an amenity=brothel tag, we can certainly have an amenity tag for planetaria, which are in my opinion something for the benefit/enjoyment of society as a whole whereas it is arguable whether brothels fit into that category. ;-) On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 5:27 AM, John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps instead of amenity=*, it should be added to tourism=*. It seems that's where the discussion is going to. 2014-02-24 19:23 GMT-03:00 Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net: On 2/24/14 5:17 PM, Colin Smale wrote: I would not call it an amenity, which is (to me, native UK English speaker) something for the benefit/enjoyment of society as a whole (or at least a large part of it). These days a planetarium is probably for enjoyment/entertainment (suggesting leisure=planetarium). on the other hand, in my experience Planetariums are usually attached to museums of one kind or another, whether science museums or children's museums. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Dave Swarthout Homer, Alaska Chiang Mai, Thailand Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com wrote: I'd suggest tourism=planetarium might be the best choice; but all of the suggestions are fine really! Like museum, it is something between science/museum/educational and cinema/theatre/entertainment. In the planetarium I know, the main public is from schools and locals, not tourists (it's not a big one). I would put planetarium in the same category as museum. And both could be in 'tourism' or 'amenity'. Unfortunatelly, today in OSM, a museum is more considered as a touristic attraction than a place for education and works of art preservation. Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium
On 2014-02-25 12:02, Pieren wrote : On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com wrote: I'd suggest tourism=planetarium might be the best choice; but all of the suggestions are fine really! Like museum, it is something between science/museum/educational and cinema/theatre/entertainment. In the planetarium I know, the main public is from schools and locals, not tourists (it's not a big one). I would put "planetarium" in the same category as "museum". And both could be in 'tourism' or 'amenity'. Unfortunatelly, today in OSM, a museum is more considered as a touristic attraction than a place for education and works of art preservation. +1. The following is what I wrote and hesitated to send yesterday before reading this. A planetarium is definitely educational. It's often coupled with photographs, orbiting model satellites, clocks, and all sorts of space related objects. It's a good place to bring kids to show them that there is something else than games and that space is different. Computers have their place too. I'll never forget that kid whispering in my ear "I want that [space] program". Much akin to a museum indeed. In this case, a 5yo running all over the place and yelling "there's another one there" (there was nothing but huge animal "ones" everywhere). Ah that élan of the youth! Unfortunately, Education features is void of that. Cheers, André. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium
2014-02-25 12:02 GMT+01:00 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: Unfortunatelly, today in OSM, a museum is more considered as a touristic attraction than a place for education and works of art preservation. +1 (also to the rest). I favor amenity=planetarium cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium
I would argue the main public of planetariuns are tourists. 2014-02-25 9:56 GMT-03:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2014-02-25 12:02 GMT+01:00 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: Unfortunatelly, today in OSM, a museum is more considered as a touristic attraction than a place for education and works of art preservation. +1 (also to the rest). I favor amenity=planetarium cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium
Maybe my last email was unclear. I vote on tourism=planetarium 2014-02-25 10:02 GMT-03:00 John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com: I would argue the main public of planetariuns are tourists. 2014-02-25 9:56 GMT-03:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2014-02-25 12:02 GMT+01:00 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: Unfortunatelly, today in OSM, a museum is more considered as a touristic attraction than a place for education and works of art preservation. +1 (also to the rest). I favor amenity=planetarium cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium
Educational as they might be, it seems that the primary use of planetariums from what I've seen is to get high and watch laser light shows. I vote leisure=planetarium. On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 2:25 AM, Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Well amenity=* has been something of a default choice in the past, so the definition is quite stretched from community facilities as the wiki puts it. There are some well-established tags that might be better as leisure=* or tourism=* if we were starting from scratch. So I'd suggest tourism=planetarium might be the best choice; but all of the suggestions are fine really! Dan 2014-02-25 0:28 GMT+00:00 Dave Swarthout daveswarth...@gmail.com: I think amenity=planetarium is perfectly reasonable. A planetarium is a place that resembles a theater but the show involves models of the planets and/or the stars universe. If OSM can have an amenity=brothel tag, we can certainly have an amenity tag for planetaria, which are in my opinion something for the benefit/enjoyment of society as a whole whereas it is arguable whether brothels fit into that category. ;-) On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 5:27 AM, John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps instead of amenity=*, it should be added to tourism=*. It seems that's where the discussion is going to. 2014-02-24 19:23 GMT-03:00 Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net: On 2/24/14 5:17 PM, Colin Smale wrote: I would not call it an amenity, which is (to me, native UK English speaker) something for the benefit/enjoyment of society as a whole (or at least a large part of it). These days a planetarium is probably for enjoyment/entertainment (suggesting leisure=planetarium). on the other hand, in my experience Planetariums are usually attached to museums of one kind or another, whether science museums or children's museums. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Dave Swarthout Homer, Alaska Chiang Mai, Thailand Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium
On 2/25/14 9:08 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: Educational as they might be, it seems that the primary use of planetariums from what I've seen is to get high and watch laser light shows. I vote leisure=planetarium. clearly not everyone has been there to see the busloads of elementary school kids who are actually the main visitors to planetariums. the Hayden Planetarium in NYC is perhaps an exception, but it offers a pretty significant science museum along side the planetarium itself. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium
On 2014-02-25 16:00, Richard Welty wrote : On 2/25/14 9:08 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: Educational as they might be, it seems that the primary use of planetariums from what I've seen is to get high and watch laser light shows. I vote leisure=planetarium. clearly not everyone has been there to see the busloads of elementary school kids who are actually the main visitors to planetariums. the Hayden Planetarium in NYC is perhaps an exception, but it offers a pretty significant science museum along side the planetarium itself. There may be at least two kinds of planetariums. Those operated by astrophysicists and/or space enthusiasts to spread scientific knowledge. Those operated by lighting engineers and possibly exhibiting acrobats. The bottom line seems to me: if that's the case, should the OSM user know which he finds? Is it really necessary to confuse them or would the two kinds, educational and leisure, make sense? Or, finally, would the non educational aspect only be in the eyes of the beholder? Cheers, André. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote: clearly not everyone has been there to see the busloads of elementary school kids who are actually the main visitors to planetariums. Oh, I have. Granted, I only have the planetarium at the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry to go by, and it's not the daytime exhibits that bring in their bread and butter. Could be Portland being Portland. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - Original Message Subject: tag for planetarium Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 21:22:16 +0100 From: Johannes jotpe@gmail.com To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Hello, i was looking for suitable tag, that describes a planetarium. But until now nothing, there's no mention in the wiki. But there are several different usages out there. After a discussion on talk-de there was a majority for amentiy=planetarium We could not agree us, if a planetarium is a theater/cinema or a museum. So we took amenity as key. Any protest? If not, i will make theses wiki changes. Best regards, Johannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTC79CAAoJEIhNWXvfzcR1mTIH/2rPzwL/o5FTlYyFhI9evRGm +YLRmnBlDolQ40Mu60jT03zRzTfEjjhgPjd6VOKF2WiRSMYpO52aM6C9wrJU0Gai E4c/usozrnSJFNCwssYT4PaQ0ava2iIK+36ri3+3ALioEv2lqBoUUqtUSQ8tL+eu A8mVuhCoz1udkTXMk0hSABvsiCpZMYRC3KrSiTaPP3bDCWZRViSjgB3QpwDNaCns D5lVsf2px6y09w1ni0855ZB3ePZL9CQ4+11dJyamk+EnRDtzOESLIqhSp+VIJY+y GFqSMpCnG5SY24dta+R4PfV1Nav0SPHwvgwm79LF6t+qsH/0irjg/hvFbeLrhXI= =JE0R -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium
I would not call it an amenity, which is (to me, native UK English speaker) something for the benefit/enjoyment of society as a whole (or at least a large part of it). These days a planetarium is probably for enjoyment/entertainment (suggesting leisure=planetarium). Colin On 2014-02-24 22:53, Johannes wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - Original Message Subject: tag for planetarium Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 21:22:16 +0100 From: Johannes jotpe@gmail.com To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Hello, i was looking for suitable tag, that describes a planetarium. But until now nothing, there's no mention in the wiki. But there are several different usages out there. After a discussion on talk-de there was a majority for amentiy=planetarium We could not agree us, if a planetarium is a theater/cinema or a museum. So we took amenity as key. Any protest? If not, i will make theses wiki changes. Best regards, Johannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ [1] iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTC79CAAoJEIhNWXvfzcR1mTIH/2rPzwL/o5FTlYyFhI9evRGm +YLRmnBlDolQ40Mu60jT03zRzTfEjjhgPjd6VOKF2WiRSMYpO52aM6C9wrJU0Gai E4c/usozrnSJFNCwssYT4PaQ0ava2iIK+36ri3+3ALioEv2lqBoUUqtUSQ8tL+eu A8mVuhCoz1udkTXMk0hSABvsiCpZMYRC3KrSiTaPP3bDCWZRViSjgB3QpwDNaCns D5lVsf2px6y09w1ni0855ZB3ePZL9CQ4+11dJyamk+EnRDtzOESLIqhSp+VIJY+y GFqSMpCnG5SY24dta+R4PfV1Nav0SPHwvgwm79LF6t+qsH/0irjg/hvFbeLrhXI= =JE0R -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging [2] Links: -- [1] http://www.enigmail.net/ [2] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium
On 2/24/14 5:17 PM, Colin Smale wrote: I would not call it an amenity, which is (to me, native UK English speaker) something for the benefit/enjoyment of society as a whole (or at least a large part of it). These days a planetarium is probably for enjoyment/entertainment (suggesting leisure=planetarium). on the other hand, in my experience Planetariums are usually attached to museums of one kind or another, whether science museums or children's museums. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium
I think amenity=planetarium is perfectly reasonable. A planetarium is a place that resembles a theater but the show involves models of the planets and/or the stars universe. If OSM can have an amenity=brothel tag, we can certainly have an amenity tag for planetaria, which are in my opinion something for the benefit/enjoyment of society as a whole whereas it is arguable whether brothels fit into that category. ;-) On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 5:27 AM, John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps instead of amenity=*, it should be added to tourism=*. It seems that's where the discussion is going to. 2014-02-24 19:23 GMT-03:00 Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net: On 2/24/14 5:17 PM, Colin Smale wrote: I would not call it an amenity, which is (to me, native UK English speaker) something for the benefit/enjoyment of society as a whole (or at least a large part of it). These days a planetarium is probably for enjoyment/entertainment (suggesting leisure=planetarium). on the other hand, in my experience Planetariums are usually attached to museums of one kind or another, whether science museums or children's museums. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Dave Swarthout Homer, Alaska Chiang Mai, Thailand Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
