Re: [Tagging] Unofficial name change of "Lake Calhoun" in Minneapolis, Minnesota

[Clifford Snow]

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 7:04 PM, Dave Swarthout 
wrote:

> However, I don't think you should use the name_1 tag. There has been
> endless discussion on this list about the uses of tags having numerical
> suffixes either with underscores or colons, and I believe that notation is
> out of favor now. Names like this one might better be tagged either as
> old_name=Lake Calhoun, or alt_name=Lake Calhoun. Using alt_name has, IIRC,
> the additional advantage of being searchable with Nominatum.


Dave,
Thanks for the correction. I can never remember which is in current favor -
so I went with the one with most uses on taginfo. Alt name definitely makes
more sense.


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Re: [Tagging] Unofficial name change of "Lake Calhoun" in Minneapolis, Minnesota

[Marc Gemis]

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 4:04 AM, Dave Swarthout  wrote:
> However, I don't think you should use the name_1 tag. There has been endless
> discussion on this list about the uses of tags having numerical suffixes
> either with underscores or colons, and I believe that notation is out of
> favor now. Names like this one might better be tagged either as
> old_name=Lake Calhoun, or alt_name=Lake Calhoun. Using alt_name has, IIRC,
> the additional advantage of being searchable with Nominatum.

+1, for not using name_1. Note that both alt_name and old_name are
recognized by Nominatim, see [1]

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nominatim/Development_overview


m.

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Re: [Tagging] Unofficial name change of "Lake Calhoun" in Minneapolis, Minnesota

[Brad Neuhauser]

Hi I live in Minneapolis and am excited for this change. For Clifford and
whoever else is interested, here's an article that has the Dakota
pronunciation for Bde Maka Ska and some other area lakes:
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2015/10/14/bdemakaska-lake-calhoun

Locally there's been an increasing awareness of the indigenous land we are
living on--for example see this map the city did with some of the
indigenous place names within Minneapolis:
https://streets.mn/2017/06/05/map-monday-dakota-and-ojibwe-place-names-in-minneapolis/
As an OSM tie-in, I've been adding Dakota (name:dak) and Ojibwe (name:oj)
names for some physical features in Minnesota.

Cheers,
Brad (aka neuhausr)

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 7:13 PM, Clifford Snow 
wrote:

>
> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Tom Hardy  wrote:
>
>> Huh.  That one flew right by me.  Noted.  Now I have to learn to
>> pronounce it.
>
>
> Me too. Next time I'm in Minneapolis I don't want to see like a tourist
> and pronounce it incorrectly.
>
> FYI - We "renamed" our county because the original person was also a slave
> owner. Fortunately we went from being named after William R. King to Martin
> Luther King, Jr. So King County became King County. Much easier.
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Re: [Tagging] Unofficial name change of "Lake Calhoun" in Minneapolis, Minnesota

[Dave Swarthout]

Names of things are changing ll the time. Here in Alaska, Barrow has been
renamed to Utqiagvik, for example.

However, I don't think you should use the name_1 tag. There has been
endless discussion on this list about the uses of tags having numerical
suffixes either with underscores or colons, and I believe that notation is
out of favor now. Names like this one might better be tagged either as
old_name=Lake Calhoun, or alt_name=Lake Calhoun. Using alt_name has, IIRC,
the additional advantage of being searchable with Nominatum.

Best,

Dave

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 4:13 PM, Clifford Snow 
wrote:

>
> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Tom Hardy  wrote:
>
>> Huh.  That one flew right by me.  Noted.  Now I have to learn to
>> pronounce it.
>
>
> Me too. Next time I'm in Minneapolis I don't want to see like a tourist
> and pronounce it incorrectly.
>
> FYI - We "renamed" our county because the original person was also a slave
> owner. Fortunately we went from being named after William R. King to Martin
> Luther King, Jr. So King County became King County. Much easier.
>
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Re: [Tagging] Unofficial name change of "Lake Calhoun" in Minneapolis, Minnesota

[Clifford Snow]

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Tom Hardy  wrote:

> Huh.  That one flew right by me.  Noted.  Now I have to learn to pronounce
> it.


Me too. Next time I'm in Minneapolis I don't want to see like a tourist and
pronounce it incorrectly.

FYI - We "renamed" our county because the original person was also a slave
owner. Fortunately we went from being named after William R. King to Martin
Luther King, Jr. So King County became King County. Much easier.

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Re: [Tagging] Unofficial name change of "Lake Calhoun" in Minneapolis, Minnesota

[Tom Hardy]

On Thursday, 8 June 2017 18:23:50 CDT Clifford Snow wrote:

> According to Wikipedia [1], the city can not change the name. But since
> they did put up new signage, according to the article, I agree that
> name=Bde Maka Ska is appropriate. I would use the name_1=Lake Calhoun
> instead of name:en. Lake Calhoun isn't the english version of Bde Maka Ska.

[...]

Huh.  That one flew right by me.  Noted.  Now I have to learn to pronounce it.

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Re: [Tagging] Unofficial name change of "Lake Calhoun" in Minneapolis, Minnesota

[Clifford Snow]

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Tom Hardy  wrote:

> Lake Calhoun  is the subject
> of
> local discussion due to racist associations of the word "Calhoun".  I know
> a
> name change has been promoted, but I have no further details.
>
> The name was recently changed to name=Bde Maka Ska, with name:dak=Mde Maka
> Ska, something that won't be recognised by most people or entities in the
> area.
>
> I added name:en=Lake Calhoun and added a note but have taken no further
> action.
>

According to Wikipedia [1], the city can not change the name. But since
they did put up new signage, according to the article, I agree that
name=Bde Maka Ska is appropriate. I would use the name_1=Lake Calhoun
instead of name:en. Lake Calhoun isn't the english version of Bde Maka Ska.

>From an article in the StarTribune [2] it looks like the park is still
called East Lake Calhoun Park.


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Calhoun#Name
[2]
http://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-park-board-to-vote-tonight-on-lake-calhoun-name-change/421157163/

Clifford

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[Tagging] Unofficial name change of "Lake Calhoun" in Minneapolis, Minnesota

[Tom Hardy]

Lake Calhoun  is the subject of 
local discussion due to racist associations of the word "Calhoun".  I know a 
name change has been promoted, but I have no further details.

The name was recently changed to name=Bde Maka Ska, with name:dak=Mde Maka 
Ska, something that won't be recognised by most people or entities in the 
area.

I added name:en=Lake Calhoun and added a note but have taken no further 
action.

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