Re: [Tagging] map of international institutions, such as EU institutions in Brussels
> use for e.g. institutions belonging to the EU the tag country=EU That sounds reasonable. I'd mention that if the features are mapped as nodes inside of buildings, database users can still use this information to add the tags to the building outline before rendering a map, so it's not necessary to move the tags from the node to the building outline. - Joseph ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] map of international institutions, such as EU institutions in Brussels
Thank you for your feedback. I think that I can create/modify POIs for EU institutions to include the following tags (non exhaustive): 1) office=government 2) government=* 3) country=* I found two valuable resources: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:office%3Ddiplomatic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2#Exceptional_reservations These two resources helped me to conclude that it is best to use for e.g. institutions belonging to the EU the tag country=EU. The description of the tag office=diplomatic says: > country=* where * is the two-character ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code for the sending country or organization or the generally accepted English acronym for an international organization (e.g., UN, OSCE). The country tag is so-long rather used in conjunction with office=diplomatic. Here, I reuse this tag for office=government. If this becomes common practice, than the description of the tag should be extended with this regard. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:country The shortcoming of this solution is that only organisations with ISO code or common abbreviation can be mapped. We discussed to use the tag operator:wikidata=* . However, I find operator does not describe the relation very well. I wonder why there is no tag "organisation:wikidata=*" yet. Also a tag country:wikidata=* could be used, though this would be confusing to link to organisations that have no geographical link whatsovever. Best, Robert On Saturday, 7 September 2019 17:19:27 CEST Robert Riemann wrote: > Dear all, > > I crosspost this topic from [OSM-talk-be] for its relevance in other areas > of the card. I suggest in this mail to agree on a tag or create a new tag. > > I would like to generate a map of EU buildings in Brussels similar to this > one: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/media/29697/qc0214964enn.pdf > > However, I noticed that many buildings are not tagged accordingly, but > instead have only a POI. > > For this reason, I want to ensure that the surface itself is tagged, so that > with a query such as http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/M6o a map can be generated. > > Can you please advise me which tags should be used on building shapes and > POI to map EU institutions perfectly? > > I looked for quite some time to find approriate tags, but I believe now we > need to introduce at least one new tag. > > 1) there is office=government and government=* > > This does not cover the special jurisdiction. The European Parliament does > not belong to the country in which it is located (France), but to the > European Union > > 2) there is admin_level=1 > > It is not clear if this can be used on buildings that belong to > international organisations. Also it does not say which organisation in > case of the European Union > > 3) use of relations > > according to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Relationen , relations > are not meant to cover wide-spread objects. However, European Union offices > are spread over the entire world (including their permanent > representations). > > 4) there is operator= > > One could set operator=European Union already to all EU offices, however, > this does not capture the administrative level. > > 5) there is diplomatic= > > However, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:diplomatic does not list a > value that would fit. Please proof me wrong. > > > Is there a standard for tagging of UN, EU, OECD, Red Cross, etc. buildings > yet? > > Best, > Robert > > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] map of international institutions, such as EU institutions in Brussels
7 Sep 2019, 18:19 by rob...@riemann.cc: > However, I noticed that many buildings are not tagged accordingly, but > instead > have only a POI. > And this is correct and (IMHO) a better tagging. Note that building may have multiple offices and that office name is typically not name is the building. In quite rare cases where institution is sole user of a building, and institution name is actually used to refer to building it may be correct.___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] map of international institutions, such as EU institutions in Brussels
Hi, * Robert Riemann [190907 17:19]: > I crosspost this topic from [OSM-talk-be] for its relevance in other areas of > the card. I suggest in this mail to agree on a tag or create a new tag. > I would like to generate a map of EU buildings in Brussels similar to this > one: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/media/29697/qc0214964enn.pdf > However, I noticed that many buildings are not tagged accordingly, but > instead > have only a POI. > For this reason, I want to ensure that the surface itself is tagged, so that > with a query such as http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/M6o a map can be generated. > Can you please advise me which tags should be used on building shapes and POI > to map EU institutions perfectly? the buildings should be tagged according to their function, regardless of who works there. You might have to use the operator key or invent a new one if you want to tag that the building is used for a specific operator, in this case the EU. > [..] However, European Union offices are > spread over the entire world (including their permanent representations). The permanent representations of countries to the EU and vice versa should according to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:office%3Ddiplomatic be tagged as office=diplomatic, diplomatic=mission, country=, target=EU for representation of a country to the EU; switch country and target for a reprentation of the EU in a country. Wolfgang ( lyx @ osm ) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] map of international institutions, such as EU institutions in Brussels
On 2019-09-07 17:19, Robert Riemann wrote: > Dear all, > > I crosspost this topic from [OSM-talk-be] for its relevance in other areas of > the card. I suggest in this mail to agree on a tag or create a new tag. > > I would like to generate a map of EU buildings in Brussels similar to this > one: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/media/29697/qc0214964enn.pdf > > However, I noticed that many buildings are not tagged accordingly, but > instead > have only a POI. > > For this reason, I want to ensure that the surface itself is tagged, so that > with a query such as http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/M6o a map can be generated. > > Can you please advise me which tags should be used on building shapes and POI > to map EU institutions perfectly? Are you sure that the EU buildings have a different status to, say, an embassy? Diplomatic premises are still part of the host country, but have some special privileges such as inviolability meaning the host country's police etc cannot enter without permission. I suggest you start here, and see how far you get: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dembassy Obviously the tag should be applied at the right level, which may be the building, or the land area enclosing the building, etc. It may also be the case that the EU rents some office space in a multi-tenancy building; then the tagging could get a bit more complicated as only that part of the building would have the diplomatic status.___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] map of international institutions, such as EU institutions in Brussels
Am Sa., 7. Sept. 2019 um 17:20 Uhr schrieb Robert Riemann : > I looked for quite some time to find approriate tags, but I believe now we > need to introduce at least one new tag. > > 1) there is office=government and government=* > > This does not cover the special jurisdiction. The European Parliament does > not > belong to the country in which it is located (France), but to the European > Union > this doesn't matter I would say > > 3) use of relations > > according to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Relationen , > relations are > not meant to cover wide-spread objects. However, European Union offices > are > spread over the entire world (including their permanent representations). > relations are not meant to group objects with common properties. Use tags for this. > > 4) there is operator= > > One could set operator=European Union already to all EU offices, however, > this > does not capture the administrative level. > if European Union is the common operator for all those offices, this could be a solution, although something like operator:wikidata would be easier to evaluate, because "European Union" is an English term, while operator values tend to be in local language. > 5) there is diplomatic= > > However, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:diplomatic does not list > a > value that would fit. Please proof me wrong. > > diplomatic is thought for diplomatic representations. I would not expect it to be suitable for all kinds of government offices. > > Is there a standard for tagging of UN, EU, OECD, Red Cross, etc. buildings > yet? we are not tagging "buildings" but the seats and workplaces of such institutions, which may be limited to the extent of a building or be only part of a building, may include grounds around buildings, but do ultimately not require any building to be tagged. There isn't a single standard to easily find all of these with a simple query. Think about the language issues, Red Cross in one country will be called Croce Rossa in another one, and Rotes Kreuz in another one, but even in a single country like Germany, you may find more than one of them (Deutsches Rotes Kreuz, Bayerisches Rotes Kreuz), and you may find more specific values like "operator=Bayerisches Rotes Kreuz – Kreisverband Oberallgäu" oder multiple values, ... Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] map of international institutions, such as EU institutions in Brussels
Dear all, I crosspost this topic from [OSM-talk-be] for its relevance in other areas of the card. I suggest in this mail to agree on a tag or create a new tag. I would like to generate a map of EU buildings in Brussels similar to this one: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/media/29697/qc0214964enn.pdf However, I noticed that many buildings are not tagged accordingly, but instead have only a POI. For this reason, I want to ensure that the surface itself is tagged, so that with a query such as http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/M6o a map can be generated. Can you please advise me which tags should be used on building shapes and POI to map EU institutions perfectly? I looked for quite some time to find approriate tags, but I believe now we need to introduce at least one new tag. 1) there is office=government and government=* This does not cover the special jurisdiction. The European Parliament does not belong to the country in which it is located (France), but to the European Union 2) there is admin_level=1 It is not clear if this can be used on buildings that belong to international organisations. Also it does not say which organisation in case of the European Union 3) use of relations according to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Relationen , relations are not meant to cover wide-spread objects. However, European Union offices are spread over the entire world (including their permanent representations). 4) there is operator= One could set operator=European Union already to all EU offices, however, this does not capture the administrative level. 5) there is diplomatic= However, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:diplomatic does not list a value that would fit. Please proof me wrong. Is there a standard for tagging of UN, EU, OECD, Red Cross, etc. buildings yet? Best, Robert ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
