Re: [Tagging] sidewalk=* or footway=*
Thank you (Warin, fly, Andy) for the replies. I know think that I have a basic understanding why *we* favor sidewalk=* over footway=*. Again, thank you all. Hubert ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] sidewalk=* or footway=*
Thanks for the quick response. Sadly the discussion page wasn't much help. But I think I found the right thread on the mailing list (though I haven't read it yet): https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2011-March/007023.html Yours Hubert -Original Message- From: fly [mailto:lowfligh...@googlemail.com] Sent: Dienstag, 20. Januar 2015 01:05 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging] sidewalk=* or footway=* Please have a look into the archive of this list and the discussion of the sidewalk proposal. It was designed to replace footway=both/left/right/none but transition is slow. JOSM just introduced a validator warning offering an automatic change. Speaking for myself, I did not care to change a whole city and with your mentioned numbers a well-designed software will still look for both tags. Am 19.01.2015 um 16:44 schrieb Hubert: Hallo, I am working on some ideas for a proposal[1]to double represent cycletracksand footways.It is at the very beginning at the moment and I haven’tmade upmy mindabout how to do that. While I was researchingdifferentstuff, I noticed that the proposals to footway=*[2]and sidewalk=*[3] haven’t been voted on.Yet, it sais“Do not use***footway*=*on other than___highway_http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway=___foo tway_http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dfootway”in a warning box ontheKey:footway wiki page [4].It appears that this box has been added by a user only3 days after posting a comment on thediscussionpage. [5] Also aoverpass query[1]as of2015-01-14 has return around 40.000 uses offootway=*on highway=*roads*only, excludinghw=footway/cycleway/path. Howeverthere are500.000 usesof sidewalk=*.While this shows a majority usefor sidewalk=*, I can’t seewhy footway=* should bedeprecatedfor *roads*nor did I find arelated discussion about this. Could someone point meinthe right directionformore information on that topic? Yours Hubert [1]___http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Hubert87/DoubleRepresent ation_http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Hubert87/DoubleRepr esentation [2]___http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Sidewalk_ [3]___http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Footway_ [4]___http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:footway_ [5]___http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:footway_ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] sidewalk=* or footway=* (Hubert)
I just found the following Thread ion the GB mailing list: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2012-August/013663.html (I haven’t read it yet.) Is that the one you where referring to? Thank You. Yours Hubert From: SomeoneElse [mailto:li...@atownsend.org.uk] Sent: Dienstag, 20. Januar 2015 00:56 To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] sidewalk=* or footway=* (Hubert) On 19/01/2015 23:19, Warin wrote: To me, sidewalk is American English. British English is more footway? footpath is common Australian English. In English English* footpath means either that thing at the side of the road that Americans call a sidewalk or a path not at the side of the road primarily intended for pedestrians (but less wide than a pedestrianised street). Footway means the same as footpath essentially, but less in common usage and more usually used in legal contexts. The use of sidewalk to describe the thing at the side of the road was discussed on talk-gb and was generally accepted there even by those (like me) who tend not to like Americanisms because it's not ambiguous, whereas the alternatives (footpath and pavement) both are. Cheers, Andy * I can't speak for the Scots or the Welsh or any others. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] sidewalk=* or footway=*
Sorry, was talking about the RFC discussion on this list [6] but your link or better gmane.org [7] as threads are better listed is the starting point. The discussion at the same time about sidewalk as separate ways might be also interesting. cu fly [6] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.tagging/7106 [7] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.tagging/7051 Am 20.01.2015 um 13:55 schrieb Hubert: Thanks for the quick response. Sadly the discussion page wasn't much help. But I think I found the right thread on the mailing list (though I haven't read it yet): https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2011-March/007023.html -Original Message- From: fly [mailto:lowfligh...@googlemail.com] Sent: Dienstag, 20. Januar 2015 01:05 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging] sidewalk=* or footway=* Please have a look into the archive of this list and the discussion of the sidewalk proposal. It was designed to replace footway=both/left/right/none but transition is slow. JOSM just introduced a validator warning offering an automatic change. Speaking for myself, I did not care to change a whole city and with your mentioned numbers a well-designed software will still look for both tags. Am 19.01.2015 um 16:44 schrieb Hubert: Hallo, I am working on some ideas for a proposal[1]to double represent cycletracksand footways.It is at the very beginning at the moment and I haven’tmade upmy mindabout how to do that. While I was researchingdifferentstuff, I noticed that the proposals to footway=*[2]and sidewalk=*[3] haven’t been voted on.Yet, it sais“Do not use***footway*=*on other than___highway_http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway=___foo tway_http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dfootway”in a warning box ontheKey:footway wiki page [4].It appears that this box has been added by a user only3 days after posting a comment on thediscussionpage. [5] Also aoverpass query[1]as of2015-01-14 has return around 40.000 uses offootway=*on highway=*roads*only, excludinghw=footway/cycleway/path. Howeverthere are500.000 usesof sidewalk=*.While this shows a majority usefor sidewalk=*, I can’t seewhy footway=* should bedeprecatedfor *roads*nor did I find arelated discussion about this. Could someone point meinthe right directionformore information on that topic? Yours Hubert [1]___http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Hubert87/DoubleRepresent ation_http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Hubert87/DoubleRepr esentation [2]___http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Sidewalk_ [3]___http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Footway_ [4]___http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:footway_ [5]___http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:footway_ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] sidewalk=* or footway=* (Hubert)
On 20/01/2015 13:01, Hubert wrote: I just found the following Thread ion the GB mailing list: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2012-August/013663.html (I haven’t read it yet.) Is that the one you where referring to? That's certainly one of them, yes. I have a vague recollection that there might be more, as implied here: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2012-August/013670.html Cheers, Andy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] sidewalk=* or footway=*
Please have a look into the archive of this list and the discussion of the sidewalk proposal. It was designed to replace footway=both/left/right/none but transition is slow. JOSM just introduced a validator warning offering an automatic change. Speaking for myself, I did not care to change a whole city and with your mentioned numbers a well-designed software will still look for both tags. Am 19.01.2015 um 16:44 schrieb Hubert: Hallo, I am working on some ideas for a proposal[1]to double represent cycletracksand footways.It is at the very beginning at the moment and I haven’tmade upmy mindabout how to do that. While I was researchingdifferentstuff, I noticed that the proposals to footway=*[2]and sidewalk=*[3] haven’t been voted on.Yet, it sais“Do not use***footway*=*on other than___highway_http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway=___footway_http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dfootway”in a warning box ontheKey:footway wiki page [4].It appears that this box has been added by a user only3 days after posting a comment on thediscussionpage. [5] Also aoverpass query[1]as of2015-01-14 has return around 40.000 uses offootway=*on highway=*roads*only, excludinghw=footway/cycleway/path. Howeverthere are500.000 usesof sidewalk=*.While this shows a majority usefor sidewalk=*, I can’t seewhy footway=* should bedeprecatedfor *roads*nor did I find arelated discussion about this. Could someone point meinthe right directionformore information on that topic? Yours Hubert [1]___http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Hubert87/DoubleRepresentation_http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Hubert87/DoubleRepresentation [2]___http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Sidewalk_ [3]___http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Footway_ [4]___http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:footway_ [5]___http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:footway_ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] sidewalk=* or footway=* (Hubert)
On 20/01/2015 2:44 AM, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 16:44:20 +0100 From: Hubert sg.fo...@gmx.de To: 'Tag discussion, strategy and related tools' tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Tagging] sidewalk=* or footway=* Message-ID: 005701d033fe$cb12a190$6137e4b0$@fo...@gmx.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hallo, While I was researching different stuff, I noticed that the proposals to footway=*[2] and sidewalk=* [3] haven't been voted on. To me, sidewalk is American English. British English is more footway? footpath is common Australian English. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] sidewalk=* or footway=* (Hubert)
On 19/01/2015 23:19, Warin wrote: To me, sidewalk is American English. British English is more footway? footpath is common Australian English. In English English* footpath means either that thing at the side of the road that Americans call a sidewalk or a path not at the side of the road primarily intended for pedestrians (but less wide than a pedestrianised street). Footway means the same as footpath essentially, but less in common usage and more usually used in legal contexts. The use of sidewalk to describe the thing at the side of the road was discussed on talk-gb and was generally accepted there even by those (like me) who tend not to like Americanisms because it's not ambiguous, whereas the alternatives (footpath and pavement) both are. Cheers, Andy * I can't speak for the Scots or the Welsh or any others. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] sidewalk=* or footway=*
Hallo, I am working on some ideas for a proposal [1] to double represent cycletracks and footways. It is at the very beginning at the moment and I haven't made up my mind about how to do that. While I was researching different stuff, I noticed that the proposals to footway=*[2] and sidewalk=* [3] haven't been voted on. Yet, it sais Do not use footway=* on other than highway http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway =footway http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dfootway in a warning box on the Key:footway wiki page [4]. It appears that this box has been added by a user only 3 days after posting a comment on the discussion page. [5] Also a overpass query [1] as of 2015-01-14 has return around 40.000 uses of footway=* on highway=*roads* only, excluding hw=footway/cycleway/path. However there are 500.000 uses of sidewalk=*. While this shows a majority use for sidewalk=*, I can't see why footway=* should be deprecated for *roads* nor did I find a related discussion about this. Could someone point me in the right direction for more information on that topic? Yours Hubert [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Hubert87/DoubleRepresentation [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Sidewalk [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Footway [4] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:footway [5] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:footway ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
