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Re: [Tagging] Ordering of routes, possible mapathon? Was: Re: rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

2017-05-16 Thread Bjoern Hassler

Hi all,

I'd be happy with a public transport hangout - it's a good idea.

Any other takes?

(We could adjust frequency and times based on demand.)

Bjoern

On 14 May 2017 at 14:35, Jo  wrote:

> Hi Aun,
>
> Do you know about JOSM's public transport assistant plugin?
>
> Maybe we should set up a weekly online meeting, where everyone with an
> interest in public transport can come to get hands on explanations and
> where we can discuss these topics?
>
> I just figured out how to do Hangouts on Air. Which CEST evening would
> suit most people around here? On Tuesdays I have time starting at 20h, On
> Fridays it could be earlier. Saturday or Sunday evening are fine with me as
> well.
>
> Polyglot
>
> 2017-05-14 14:18 GMT+02:00 Aun Johnsen :
>
>> Jo
>>
>> Thanks for the clarification, yeah I know that warnings in JOSM,
>> specially those with Info level, often can be ignored. As I am working with
>> lines in a metropolitan area with at least 7 different operators, I guess
>> having tidy relations make data more easy to validate. I have until now
>> focused on making master_route relations for lines with more than 1 route
>> relation, but can start looking into completing all routes with a
>> master_route as my work gets more completed. There is still a lot to do
>> with more than 500 lines + variations.
>>
>> Aun Johnsen
>>
>> > On May 12, 2017, at 18:16, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote:
>> >
>> > Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 21:12:14 +0200
>> > From: Jo 
>> > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
>> >   
>> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Ordering of routes, possible mapathon? Was: Re:
>> >   rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail
>> question 2)
>> > Message-ID:
>> >   > mail.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> >
>> > Hi Aun,
>> >
>> > JOSM's validator warnings are just that, warnings. Some of them can be
>> > safely ignored. Of course if the route_master relation doesn't really
>> add
>> > information, I'd say it's fine to omit it.
>> >
>> > Here are some examples:
>> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3614368/history
>> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3612781/history
>> >
>> > The tags on both relations are quite different. I like to have both of
>> > them, because I want to compare with data from the operators and then
>> it's
>> > good to have all of them "behave" in the same way. The route_master to
>> > describe the line, the route relations to describe the itineraries for
>> all
>> > the variations.
>> >
>> > We have a few more of those with only one route relation. For example
>> the
>> > one going in the other direction on our ring road or some school buses
>> for
>> > students that only go from the station to the campus on Sunday evening.
>> On
>> > Friday they have enough possibilities with the standard offered lines.
>> >
>> >
>> > Polyglot
>>
>>
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Re: [Tagging] Ordering of routes, possible mapathon? Was: Re: rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

2017-05-16 Thread Bjoern Hassler

Hi Jo,

so there's weren't any others that expressed interest in a mapathon.

However, I'd be very happy for us to speak and exchage ideas?

Bjeorn

On 14 May 2017 at 14:35, Jo  wrote:

> Hi Aun,
>
> Do you know about JOSM's public transport assistant plugin?
>
> Maybe we should set up a weekly online meeting, where everyone with an
> interest in public transport can come to get hands on explanations and
> where we can discuss these topics?
>
> I just figured out how to do Hangouts on Air. Which CEST evening would
> suit most people around here? On Tuesdays I have time starting at 20h, On
> Fridays it could be earlier. Saturday or Sunday evening are fine with me as
> well.
>
> Polyglot
>
> 2017-05-14 14:18 GMT+02:00 Aun Johnsen :
>
>> Jo
>>
>> Thanks for the clarification, yeah I know that warnings in JOSM,
>> specially those with Info level, often can be ignored. As I am working with
>> lines in a metropolitan area with at least 7 different operators, I guess
>> having tidy relations make data more easy to validate. I have until now
>> focused on making master_route relations for lines with more than 1 route
>> relation, but can start looking into completing all routes with a
>> master_route as my work gets more completed. There is still a lot to do
>> with more than 500 lines + variations.
>>
>> Aun Johnsen
>>
>> > On May 12, 2017, at 18:16, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote:
>> >
>> > Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 21:12:14 +0200
>> > From: Jo 
>> > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
>> >   
>> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Ordering of routes, possible mapathon? Was: Re:
>> >   rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail
>> question 2)
>> > Message-ID:
>> >   > mail.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> >
>> > Hi Aun,
>> >
>> > JOSM's validator warnings are just that, warnings. Some of them can be
>> > safely ignored. Of course if the route_master relation doesn't really
>> add
>> > information, I'd say it's fine to omit it.
>> >
>> > Here are some examples:
>> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3614368/history
>> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3612781/history
>> >
>> > The tags on both relations are quite different. I like to have both of
>> > them, because I want to compare with data from the operators and then
>> it's
>> > good to have all of them "behave" in the same way. The route_master to
>> > describe the line, the route relations to describe the itineraries for
>> all
>> > the variations.
>> >
>> > We have a few more of those with only one route relation. For example
>> the
>> > one going in the other direction on our ring road or some school buses
>> for
>> > students that only go from the station to the campus on Sunday evening.
>> On
>> > Friday they have enough possibilities with the standard offered lines.
>> >
>> >
>> > Polyglot
>>
>>
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Re: [Tagging] Ordering of routes, possible mapathon? Was: Re: rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

2017-05-14 Thread Jo

Hi Aun,

Do you know about JOSM's public transport assistant plugin?

Maybe we should set up a weekly online meeting, where everyone with an
interest in public transport can come to get hands on explanations and
where we can discuss these topics?

I just figured out how to do Hangouts on Air. Which CEST evening would suit
most people around here? On Tuesdays I have time starting at 20h, On
Fridays it could be earlier. Saturday or Sunday evening are fine with me as
well.

Polyglot

2017-05-14 14:18 GMT+02:00 Aun Johnsen :

> Jo
>
> Thanks for the clarification, yeah I know that warnings in JOSM, specially
> those with Info level, often can be ignored. As I am working with lines in
> a metropolitan area with at least 7 different operators, I guess having
> tidy relations make data more easy to validate. I have until now focused on
> making master_route relations for lines with more than 1 route relation,
> but can start looking into completing all routes with a master_route as my
> work gets more completed. There is still a lot to do with more than 500
> lines + variations.
>
> Aun Johnsen
>
> > On May 12, 2017, at 18:16, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote:
> >
> > Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 21:12:14 +0200
> > From: Jo 
> > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
> >   
> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Ordering of routes, possible mapathon? Was: Re:
> >   rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question
> 2)
> > Message-ID:
> >    gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Hi Aun,
> >
> > JOSM's validator warnings are just that, warnings. Some of them can be
> > safely ignored. Of course if the route_master relation doesn't really add
> > information, I'd say it's fine to omit it.
> >
> > Here are some examples:
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3614368/history
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3612781/history
> >
> > The tags on both relations are quite different. I like to have both of
> > them, because I want to compare with data from the operators and then
> it's
> > good to have all of them "behave" in the same way. The route_master to
> > describe the line, the route relations to describe the itineraries for
> all
> > the variations.
> >
> > We have a few more of those with only one route relation. For example the
> > one going in the other direction on our ring road or some school buses
> for
> > students that only go from the station to the campus on Sunday evening.
> On
> > Friday they have enough possibilities with the standard offered lines.
> >
> >
> > Polyglot
>
>
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Re: [Tagging] Ordering of routes, possible mapathon? Was: Re: rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

2017-05-14 Thread Aun Johnsen

Jo

Thanks for the clarification, yeah I know that warnings in JOSM, specially 
those with Info level, often can be ignored. As I am working with lines in a 
metropolitan area with at least 7 different operators, I guess having tidy 
relations make data more easy to validate. I have until now focused on making 
master_route relations for lines with more than 1 route relation, but can start 
looking into completing all routes with a master_route as my work gets more 
completed. There is still a lot to do with more than 500 lines + variations.

Aun Johnsen

> On May 12, 2017, at 18:16, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote:
> 
> Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 21:12:14 +0200
> From: Jo 
> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
>   
> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Ordering of routes, possible mapathon? Was: Re:
>   rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)
> Message-ID:
>   
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Hi Aun,
> 
> JOSM's validator warnings are just that, warnings. Some of them can be
> safely ignored. Of course if the route_master relation doesn't really add
> information, I'd say it's fine to omit it.
> 
> Here are some examples:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3614368/history
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3612781/history
> 
> The tags on both relations are quite different. I like to have both of
> them, because I want to compare with data from the operators and then it's
> good to have all of them "behave" in the same way. The route_master to
> describe the line, the route relations to describe the itineraries for all
> the variations.
> 
> We have a few more of those with only one route relation. For example the
> one going in the other direction on our ring road or some school buses for
> students that only go from the station to the campus on Sunday evening. On
> Friday they have enough possibilities with the standard offered lines.
> 
> 
> Polyglot


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Re: [Tagging] Ordering of routes, possible mapathon? Was: Re: rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

2017-05-12 Thread Jo

Hi Aun,

JOSM's validator warnings are just that, warnings. Some of them can be
safely ignored. Of course if the route_master relation doesn't really add
information, I'd say it's fine to omit it.

Here are some examples:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3614368/history
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3612781/history

The tags on both relations are quite different. I like to have both of
them, because I want to compare with data from the operators and then it's
good to have all of them "behave" in the same way. The route_master to
describe the line, the route relations to describe the itineraries for all
the variations.

We have a few more of those with only one route relation. For example the
one going in the other direction on our ring road or some school buses for
students that only go from the station to the campus on Sunday evening. On
Friday they have enough possibilities with the standard offered lines.

Polyglot

2017-05-12 20:51 GMT+02:00 Aun Johnsen :

> When is a route_master relation needed? For the area I am mapping, several
> of the routes are circular without any variations. That means I make 1
> relation for each route, but adding a route master, I get a alert that I am
> uploading relations with only one member. I can understand the use of
> route_master where going and return route have different relations, or
> routes with several variations (I have routes with up to 10 variations in
> my area, but few of the variations are mapped until now as I focus on main
> routes).
>
> Aun Johnsen
>
> > On May 12, 2017, at 15:38, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote:
> >
> > Many lines on the London underground/overground/etc aren't well ordered,
> > there isn't a route master, etc etc. The node examples I provided are
> from
> > the Central line, that I've been working on.
>
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Re: [Tagging] Ordering of routes, possible mapathon? Was: Re: rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

2017-05-12 Thread Aun Johnsen

When is a route_master relation needed? For the area I am mapping, several of 
the routes are circular without any variations. That means I make 1 relation 
for each route, but adding a route master, I get a alert that I am uploading 
relations with only one member. I can understand the use of route_master where 
going and return route have different relations, or routes with several 
variations (I have routes with up to 10 variations in my area, but few of the 
variations are mapped until now as I focus on main routes).

Aun Johnsen

> On May 12, 2017, at 15:38, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote:
> 
> Many lines on the London underground/overground/etc aren't well ordered,
> there isn't a route master, etc etc. The node examples I provided are from
> the Central line, that I've been working on.

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Re: [Tagging] Ordering of routes, possible mapathon? Was: Re: rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

2017-05-12 Thread Jo

Hi Bjoern,

I would definitely be interested in such a mapathon!

We could meet virtually on a channel like this one:
https://meet.jit.si/osmbe

Polyglot

2017-05-12 17:49 GMT+02:00 Bjoern Hassler :

> Hi Michael, hi all,
>
> Valid PTv2 route relations are ordered, i.e. the platform which follows
>> a stop position and is near the stop position always belongs to the stop
>> position.
>
>
> Many lines on the London underground/overground/etc aren't well ordered,
> there isn't a route master, etc etc. The node examples I provided are from
> the Central line, that I've been working on.
>
> As an idea: if others are interested, I'd be very happy to do a virtual
> mapathon of some kind. That could start with some kind of skill share on
> Overpass/JOSM/validation so that people get something out of it as well.
> Any takers?
>
> All the best,
> Bjoern
>
> P.S. I'm making notes on this as I go along here: http://bjohas.de/wiki/
> Maps/Transport_for_London. Plenty of overpass turbo code with interesting
> colour schemes.
>
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