Re: [Tagging] Which global OSM mailing list for the "community index"?
1. Although, just copying the archive may not seem to add too much value, I do see the potential improvement to the forum search index. However, it would be real useful if this transfer could be automated and turned into a kind of near-realtime sync. Then all you needed to implement is reverse sync to forward the replies given on the forum to the original mailing list. And by that we have created a single unified platform from two, previously disjoint ones! 2. Repeat for all platforms. 3. ??? 4. Profit!!! On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 8:06 AM Frederik Ramm wrote: > > Hi, > > On 28.06.19 04:14, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Thoughts? > > Very bad idea, is my thought. Copying old threads to forums swamps the > forums, and gives people there old discussions to look at but in which > they cannot participate any more, as the authors of whatever arguments > you post will not be reading the forum. In my eyes, this plan treats the > forum as second-class and is disrespectful to its users. > > Bye > Frederik > > -- > Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Which global OSM mailing list for the "community index"?
sent from a phone > Am 28.06.2019 um 08:15 schrieb Graeme Fitzpatrick : > > The idea was merely to keep all of the years discussions in one place are you aware there is a public mailing list archive? With some time and interest you could read it all, back to 2004 or so ;-) More seriously, what sometimes does not happen but could be useful is transferring the outcome of the discussions to the wiki. It’s not completely rare that there isn’t an undisputed consensus, but even if there is not, it could make sense to document that there isn’t, and to document the different arguments, and in general we could have a formal section in our wiki documentation where we link to the various instances of discussions about the tag (e.g. links to forum and ML discussions). Some topics have been dealt with various times. Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Which global OSM mailing list for the "community index"?
28 cze 2019, 08:15 od graemefi...@gmail.com: > change-over > Note that shutdown of mailing lists is not planned and is not likely to happen.___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Which global OSM mailing list for the "community index"?
On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 at 16:06, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > Very bad idea, is my thought. Copying old threads to forums swamps the > forums, and gives people there old discussions to look at but in which > they cannot participate any more, as the authors of whatever arguments > you post will not be reading the forum. In my eyes, this plan treats the > forum as second-class and is disrespectful to its users. > Sorry, no disrespect of any sort intended. The idea was merely to keep all of the years discussions in one place - same thing would be achieved by doing the change-over with effect 1/1/2020 - which is probably how long it would take to sort out all the issues involved! :-) Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Which global OSM mailing list for the "community index"?
Hi, On 28.06.19 04:14, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Thoughts? Very bad idea, is my thought. Copying old threads to forums swamps the forums, and gives people there old discussions to look at but in which they cannot participate any more, as the authors of whatever arguments you post will not be reading the forum. In my eyes, this plan treats the forum as second-class and is disrespectful to its users. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Which global OSM mailing list for the "community index"?
On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 17:12, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Hi Simon > > Been thinking about this (as an amateur, I hasten to add, *NOT* an IT > professional!). > > How would it go with shutting down all the mailing lists for a month (yes, > I know we'll all go into withdrawal! :-)), & using that month to copy all > the posts from each list from the start of the year across to the various > country etc based lounges in the Forum, & sort them via subject. Set up a > sticky to link to the archives for any older posts. > So had a try yesterday & appears it should / may work ‽ Copied this https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2019-January/012301.html (purely because it was a smallest thread In Jan!) & re-posted it as https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=66628 Certainly appears OK. It's also apparently been viewed 22 times since yesterday afternoon, with no screams (yet!) of "What are you doing?" :-) Thoughts? Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Which global OSM mailing list for the "community index"?
Hi Simon Been thinking about this (as an amateur, I hasten to add, *NOT* an IT professional!). How would it go with shutting down all the mailing lists for a month (yes, I know we'll all go into withdrawal! :-)), & using that month to copy all the posts from each list from the start of the year across to the various country etc based lounges in the Forum, & sort them via subject. Set up a sticky to link to the archives for any older posts. Replies to each thread would then stay together. Doable? Thanks Graeme On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 at 20:36, Simon Poole wrote: > The idea of providing a matrix (or mattermost or ...) instance for the > OSM community has been floating around for a long time, but on the one > hand it would require somebody willing to to the sysadmin work for it, > and somebody would need to do some work on integrating OSM > authentication (as I side affect we could get rid of the web irc UI > which oftc doesn't like). Both likely not gigantic tasks, but nobody has > stepped up to date. > > Simon > > PS: HW is likely not to be an issue. > > Am 23.06.2019 um 12:19 schrieb bkil: > > I'm thinking more along the lines of: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_(communication_protocol)#Bridges > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendica#Features > > But we're still missing a few. It would be best if we had a single > > unified platform (or one for realtime, and one for non-realtime use > > cases). Partitioning could still be done using labels/categories > > within the platform. > > > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 10:52 PM marc marc > wrote: > >> Le 22.06.19 à 10:31, bkil a écrit : > >>> I wonder why nobody has created a gateway > >>> to merge all discussions > >> nabble.com/ do the job (but you can only merge ml/forum only > >> ___ > >> Tagging mailing list > >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org > >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > ___ > > Tagging mailing list > > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Which global OSM mailing list for the "community index"?
The idea of providing a matrix (or mattermost or ...) instance for the OSM community has been floating around for a long time, but on the one hand it would require somebody willing to to the sysadmin work for it, and somebody would need to do some work on integrating OSM authentication (as I side affect we could get rid of the web irc UI which oftc doesn't like). Both likely not gigantic tasks, but nobody has stepped up to date. Simon PS: HW is likely not to be an issue. Am 23.06.2019 um 12:19 schrieb bkil: > I'm thinking more along the lines of: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_(communication_protocol)#Bridges > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendica#Features > But we're still missing a few. It would be best if we had a single > unified platform (or one for realtime, and one for non-realtime use > cases). Partitioning could still be done using labels/categories > within the platform. > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 10:52 PM marc marc wrote: >> Le 22.06.19 à 10:31, bkil a écrit : >>> I wonder why nobody has created a gateway >>> to merge all discussions >> nabble.com/ do the job (but you can only merge ml/forum only >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Which global OSM mailing list for the "community index"?
Le 22.06.19 à 10:31, bkil a écrit : > I wonder why nobody has created a gateway > to merge all discussions nabble.com/ do the job (but you can only merge ml/forum only ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Which global OSM mailing list for the "community index"?
We should probably list the OSM Forum as well then. OSM Help also uses your OSM credentials. OSM IRC channels do not need credentials - a random alias is sufficient. The OSMF link seems to be more about donations than giving a hand. I'd funnel using these two categories: Primary: * OSM Help * OSM Forum * OSM Talk mailing list * OSM IRC channel Secondary: * Reddit * Facebook * Telegram * Discord * Twitter * OSMF website Although, I wonder why nobody has created a gateway to merge all discussions to a single platform (or at most two platforms). On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 8:08 AM Peter Elderson wrote: > > You can use your OSM account to access the osm-forum > https://forum.openstreetmap.org/ > > Vr gr Peter Elderson > > > Op vr 21 jun. 2019 om 06:26 schreef Graeme Fitzpatrick > : >> >> >> >> On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 20:01, Frederik Ramm wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> in parts of the world for which no particular national/regional >>> resources have been defined, the "id" editor will suggest to get in >>> touch with "us" and/or other mappers through: >>> >>> * Reddit >>> * Facebook >>> * Telegram >>> * Discord >>> * Twitter >>> * OSM help >>> * OSM IRC channel >>> * OSMF website >> >> >> This is sort of a continuance of the conversations following Simon's post >> last week about too much traffic on the list! >> >> The problem I have with most of those options (Reddit, Facebook, Discord, >> Twitter, & also the mailing lists) is that you need to sign-up to them. I >> don't know IRC works & I don't even know what Telegram is! >> >> As someone said last week, it would be good if the simple act of creating an >> OSM account to edit the map, also gave you access to the "forum" or >> whatever, to ask for help, give advice to others, discuss new tags, have >> local conversations & so on. >> >> Personally, I think that we should be making much more use of the existing >> Help forum, with a complete redesign of the first page, to break things up >> into "lounges", as per other forums eg http://fordforums.com.au/index.php >> >> Thanks >> >> Graeme >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Which global OSM mailing list for the "community index"?
You can use your OSM account to access the osm-forum https://forum.openstreetmap.org/ Vr gr Peter Elderson Op vr 21 jun. 2019 om 06:26 schreef Graeme Fitzpatrick < graemefi...@gmail.com>: > > > On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 20:01, Frederik Ramm wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> in parts of the world for which no particular national/regional >> resources have been defined, the "id" editor will suggest to get in >> touch with "us" and/or other mappers through: >> >> * Reddit >> * Facebook >> * Telegram >> * Discord >> * Twitter >> * OSM help >> * OSM IRC channel >> * OSMF website >> > > This is sort of a continuance of the conversations following Simon's post > last week about too much traffic on the list! > > The problem I have with most of those options (Reddit, Facebook, Discord, > Twitter, & also the mailing lists) is that you need to sign-up to them. I > don't know IRC works & I don't even know what Telegram is! > > As someone said last week, it would be good if the simple act of creating > an OSM account to edit the map, also gave you access to the "forum" or > whatever, to ask for help, give advice to others, discuss new tags, have > local conversations & so on. > > Personally, I think that we should be making much more use of the existing > Help forum, with a complete redesign of the first page, to break things up > into "lounges", as per other forums eg http://fordforums.com.au/index.php > > Thanks > > Graeme > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Which global OSM mailing list for the "community index"?
On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 20:01, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > in parts of the world for which no particular national/regional > resources have been defined, the "id" editor will suggest to get in > touch with "us" and/or other mappers through: > > * Reddit > * Facebook > * Telegram > * Discord > * Twitter > * OSM help > * OSM IRC channel > * OSMF website > This is sort of a continuance of the conversations following Simon's post last week about too much traffic on the list! The problem I have with most of those options (Reddit, Facebook, Discord, Twitter, & also the mailing lists) is that you need to sign-up to them. I don't know IRC works & I don't even know what Telegram is! As someone said last week, it would be good if the simple act of creating an OSM account to edit the map, also gave you access to the "forum" or whatever, to ask for help, give advice to others, discuss new tags, have local conversations & so on. Personally, I think that we should be making much more use of the existing Help forum, with a complete redesign of the first page, to break things up into "lounges", as per other forums eg http://fordforums.com.au/index.php Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Which global OSM mailing list for the "community index"?
Le 20.06.19 à 11:58, Frederik Ramm a écrit : > suggest to get in touch with "us" and/or other mappers through imho the list is too long. by drowning users with everything that exists, they often end up not knowing what to choose. for example, it seems difficult to me to say that Twitter is a suitable contact for a new contributor who would like someone to check if he has properly mapped a bench. > talk a better starting point for someone who wants to get in touch? I think so. the ideal would probably be a mailing-forum convergence like napple, but that's another threat Regards, Marc ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
