Re: [Tagging] amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=

[Jake Edmonds via Tagging]

But Deposit Refund Scheme or (sorry, not deposit return scheme) is how it’s 
most commonly known.

container_return isn’t clear whether there is a deposit, or if it’s even part 
of a reuse/recycling scheme. 

> On 14 Jan 2020, at 13:50, Joseph Eisenberg  wrote:
> 
>> deposit_return_scheme=yes
> 
> This is trying to include too many things under one tag.
> 
> - Joseph Eisenberg
> 
> On 1/14/20, Jake Edmonds via Tagging  wrote:
>> I believe they are schemes where other items also have a deposit, such as
>> newspapers.  So rather then container_return, how about:
>> 
>> deposit_return_scheme=yes deposit_return_scheme:type=counter/machine
>> 
>> These tags can be added to shops, breweries, recycling centres, etc. Reverse
>> vending machines can also be tagged individually to be more complete.
>> 
>> Do we continue to use payment:* or switch to
>> deposit_return_scheme:cash/token/etc
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Jake Edmonds' iPhone
>> 
>>> On 14 Jan 2020, at 13:05, Jyri-Petteri Paloposki
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 14.1.2020 13.39, Sebastian Martin Dicke wrote:
 But in some shops there are checkouts, where you can give yogurt jars or
 some kinds of bottles and get the deposit refund. I know a shop, where
 yogurt jars and some kinds bottles are taken at a checkout, but other
 bottles at a reverse vending machine. Its usually one checkout in that
 shop, in the beverages department with own entree, but direct connect the
 rest of the shop via a lift.
 Maybe a tagging with
 bottle_return=yes
 bottle_return:type=machine
 for reverse vending maschines and for acceptance at checkouts
 bottle_return=yes
 bottle_return:type=checkout
 would be more accurate?
>>> 
>>> I think it's not a good idea to limit this useful tag to just bottles.
>>> Cans, bottle crates and as we can see also other containers can be
>>> returned in a reverse vending machine or a return point. So instead of
>>> bottle_return I suggest container_return respectively.
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
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Re: [Tagging] amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=

[Joseph Eisenberg]

> deposit_return_scheme=yes

This is trying to include too many things under one tag.

- Joseph Eisenberg

On 1/14/20, Jake Edmonds via Tagging  wrote:
> I believe they are schemes where other items also have a deposit, such as
> newspapers.  So rather then container_return, how about:
>
> deposit_return_scheme=yes deposit_return_scheme:type=counter/machine
>
> These tags can be added to shops, breweries, recycling centres, etc. Reverse
> vending machines can also be tagged individually to be more complete.
>
> Do we continue to use payment:* or switch to
> deposit_return_scheme:cash/token/etc
>
>
> Sent from Jake Edmonds' iPhone
>
>> On 14 Jan 2020, at 13:05, Jyri-Petteri Paloposki
>>  wrote:
>>
>> On 14.1.2020 13.39, Sebastian Martin Dicke wrote:
>>> But in some shops there are checkouts, where you can give yogurt jars or
>>> some kinds of bottles and get the deposit refund. I know a shop, where
>>> yogurt jars and some kinds bottles are taken at a checkout, but other
>>> bottles at a reverse vending machine. Its usually one checkout in that
>>> shop, in the beverages department with own entree, but direct connect the
>>> rest of the shop via a lift.
>>> Maybe a tagging with
>>> bottle_return=yes
>>> bottle_return:type=machine
>>> for reverse vending maschines and for acceptance at checkouts
>>> bottle_return=yes
>>> bottle_return:type=checkout
>>> would be more accurate?
>>
>> I think it's not a good idea to limit this useful tag to just bottles.
>> Cans, bottle crates and as we can see also other containers can be
>> returned in a reverse vending machine or a return point. So instead of
>> bottle_return I suggest container_return respectively.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> --
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Re: [Tagging] amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=

[Jake Edmonds via Tagging]

I believe they are schemes where other items also have a deposit, such as 
newspapers.  So rather then container_return, how about:

deposit_return_scheme=yes deposit_return_scheme:type=counter/machine

These tags can be added to shops, breweries, recycling centres, etc. Reverse 
vending machines can also be tagged individually to be more complete. 

Do we continue to use payment:* or switch to 
deposit_return_scheme:cash/token/etc


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> On 14 Jan 2020, at 13:05, Jyri-Petteri Paloposki 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 14.1.2020 13.39, Sebastian Martin Dicke wrote:
>> But in some shops there are checkouts, where you can give yogurt jars or 
>> some kinds of bottles and get the deposit refund. I know a shop, where 
>> yogurt jars and some kinds bottles are taken at a checkout, but other 
>> bottles at a reverse vending machine. Its usually one checkout in that shop, 
>> in the beverages department with own entree, but direct connect the rest of 
>> the shop via a lift.
>> Maybe a tagging with
>> bottle_return=yes
>> bottle_return:type=machine
>> for reverse vending maschines and for acceptance at checkouts
>> bottle_return=yes
>> bottle_return:type=checkout
>> would be more accurate?
> 
> I think it's not a good idea to limit this useful tag to just bottles. Cans, 
> bottle crates and as we can see also other containers can be returned in a 
> reverse vending machine or a return point. So instead of bottle_return I 
> suggest container_return respectively.
> 
> Best regards,
> -- 
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Re: [Tagging] amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=

[Jyri-Petteri Paloposki]

On 14.1.2020 13.39, Sebastian Martin Dicke wrote:
But in some shops there are checkouts, where you can give yogurt jars or 
some kinds of bottles and get the deposit refund. I know a shop, where 
yogurt jars and some kinds bottles are taken at a checkout, but other 
bottles at a reverse vending machine. Its usually one checkout in that 
shop, in the beverages department with own entree, but direct connect 
the rest of the shop via a lift.


Maybe a tagging with

bottle_return=yes
bottle_return:type=machine

for reverse vending maschines and for acceptance at checkouts

bottle_return=yes
bottle_return:type=checkout

would be more accurate?


I think it's not a good idea to limit this useful tag to just bottles. 
Cans, bottle crates and as we can see also other containers can be 
returned in a reverse vending machine or a return point. So instead of 
bottle_return I suggest container_return respectively.


Best regards,
--
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Re: [Tagging] amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=

[Sebastian Martin Dicke]

But in some shops there are checkouts, where you can give yogurt jars or
some kinds of bottles and get the deposit refund. I know a shop, where
yogurt jars and some kinds bottles are taken at a checkout, but other
bottles at a reverse vending machine. Its usually one checkout in that
shop, in the beverages department with own entree, but direct connect
the rest of the shop via a lift.

Maybe a tagging with

bottle_return=yes
bottle_return:type=machine

for reverse vending maschines and for acceptance at checkouts

bottle_return=yes
bottle_return:type=checkout

would be more accurate?


Regards

Sebastian


On 13.01.20 09:59, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> Am Mo., 13. Jan. 2020 um 09:25 Uhr schrieb Jake Edmonds via Tagging
> mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org>>:
>
> Do you have a suggestion Martin?
>
>
>
> maybe a generic
>
> amenity=bottle_return_machine ?
>
> could be used for all kind of machines that take bottles, and amended
> with tags about the kind of bottles. It also seems easier to
> understand for non-natives (while describing more specifically the
> purpose) than "reverse vending machine".
>
> for:recycling=yes
> for:reuse=yes
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Re: [Tagging] amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=

[Colin Smale]

On 2020-01-13 09:59, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:

> Am Mo., 13. Jan. 2020 um 09:25 Uhr schrieb Jake Edmonds via Tagging 
> : 
> 
>> Do you have a suggestion Martin?
> 
> maybe a generic 
> 
> amenity=bottle_return_machine ?

Why limit it to bottles? We don't do that with vending machines; Why do
it here? The type/class of RVM can be indicated by
reverse_vending=bottles just like we use vending=drinks. 

> could be used for all kind of machines that take bottles, and amended with 
> tags about the kind of bottles. It also seems easier to understand for 
> non-natives (while describing more specifically the purpose) than "reverse 
> vending machine".

Anyone looking at the current tagging is going to see lots of terms that
they don't understand, for reasons of language or knowledge/experience.
The device in question is called a reverse vending machine in English,
even if some people think it sounds weird. Can you suggest a synonym
that would mean more to a random non-native-speaker, without changing
the meaning to a hyponym? I note that even the wiki page for
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Re: [Tagging] amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Am Mo., 13. Jan. 2020 um 09:25 Uhr schrieb Jake Edmonds via Tagging <
tagging@openstreetmap.org>:

> Do you have a suggestion Martin?



maybe a generic

amenity=bottle_return_machine ?

could be used for all kind of machines that take bottles, and amended with
tags about the kind of bottles. It also seems easier to understand for
non-natives (while describing more specifically the purpose) than "reverse
vending machine".

for:recycling=yes
for:reuse=yes

not sure if we would want to distinguish various specific kind of bottles,
or groups of, like milk, beer, water, wine, soda, ...
and networks? (for example in Germany, 180+ mineral water companies are
associated in "Deutscher Brunnen" and used to have the same kind of
reusable glass bottle (their own term for this is "pool bottle" as opposed
to "individual bottle"), reference: https://www.gdb.de/mehrweg/ now most of
the bottles are in plastic (PET).
As a sidenote, they also have a reference on the amount of uses (up to 50
for glass and 25 for plastic).

For practical reasons, I would think it is overkill to specify all kinds of
bottles that are accepted (in Germany if it is reuse, they would also
accept some other containers that aren't bottles, like reusable yoghurt
jars)
while it may be useful to know the exact location of the machine
(especially in big supermarkets and shopping malls).

Cheers
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Re: [Tagging] amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=

[Jake Edmonds via Tagging]

Do you have a suggestion Martin? 

Maybe something like deposit_refund_system=yes could be applied to 
amenity=recycling, amenity=shop and amenity=vending_machine + 
vending=reverse_vending. deposit_refund_system:brands=* can specify the brands



> On 13 Jan 2020, at 07:54, Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> sent from a phone
> 
>> On 13. Jan 2020, at 06:51, Marc Gemis  wrote:
>> 
>> To come back to tagging: so people seem to have a problem with 
>> amenity=recycle in case of reuse, but do not have a problem with 
>> amenity=vending_machine for such a machine (that does not sell anything). Or 
>> am I mistaken?
> 
> 
> I’m having issues with both 
> 
> 
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Re: [Tagging] amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 13. Jan 2020, at 06:51, Marc Gemis  wrote:
> 
> To come back to tagging: so people seem to have a problem with 
> amenity=recycle in case of reuse, but do not have a problem with 
> amenity=vending_machine for such a machine (that does not sell anything). Or 
> am I mistaken?


I’m having issues with both 


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Re: [Tagging] amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=

[Marc Gemis]

I was thinking of speciality beers (which do not come in crates), but
especially of wine bottles. AFAIK, there is little to no difference in the
bottle, but it might depend on who bottled the wine. If the wine is bottled
by the supermarket itself, you can return the bottle, otherwise not. At
least that is what I think.
That why I was confused by Martin's remark "typology of container that is
accepted". I thought he meant crates vs single bottles, but he meant thin
and thick glass.

I agree with you that brand for beer and soda drinks is important on
whether they are accepted or not.

But in the end, I,, as a consumer do not know whether the bottles that I
bring back for reuse, will actually be reused. Perhaps after a few
reuse-cycles, the bottles are recycled.

To come back to tagging: so people seem to have a problem with
amenity=recycle in case of reuse, but do not have a problem with
amenity=vending_machine for such a machine (that does not sell anything).
Or am I mistaken?


regards

m.

On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 6:26 PM Jake Edmonds via Tagging <
tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> Here is the list of brands accepted at three stores near by. I also
> checked two others, one had a picture of various shapes and colours (with
> no labels) of bottles and the other lists ‘beer 0,33l, beer 0,5l) but both
> did have a list of which brands of plastic crates are accepted
>
> Fresh
>
> Fresh 2
>
> Billa
>
> Birell
>
> Birell
>
>
> Budwar
>
> Budwar
>
> Budwar
>
> Budweiser
>
> Budweiser
>
>
> Corgoň
>
> Corgoň
>
> Corgoň
>
> Heineken
>
> Heineken
>
> Heineken
>
> Kachelman
>
> Kachelman
>
> Kachelman
>
> Kelt
>
> Kelt
>
> Kelt
>
> Kozel
>
> Kozel
>
> Kozel
>
> Krušovice
>
> Krušovice
>
>
> Pilsner
>
> Pilsner
>
> Pilsner
>
> Šariš
>
> Šariš
>
> Šariš
>
> Smädný Mních
>
> Smädný Mních
>
> Smädný Mních
>
> Starobrno
>
> Starobrno
>
> Starobrno
>
> Zlatý Bažant
>
> Zlatý Bažant
>
> Zlatý Bažant
>
>
>
>
>
> Steiger
>
> Steiger
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Budiš
>
>
>
> Fatra
>
>
>
> Gambrinus
>
>
>
> Gemer
>
>
>
> Grošák
>
>
>
> Martiner
>
>
>
> Sitňan
>
>
>
> Staropramen
>
>
>
> Topvar
>
>
>
>
> 14
>
> 15
>
> 21
>
>
>
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> On 12 Jan 2020, at 18:15, Marc Gemis  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Is the different between recycling and reusing important for the average
> consumer who a) wants to claim their deposit and b)  doesn’t want to put
> the item into landfill?
>
>
>
> first of all it is indicating the (rough) typology of container that is
> accepted, secondly it would seem strange to tag something “recycling” when
> it’s actually much more beneficial for the environment because of reuse.
>
>
> I don't understand this "typology of container that is accepted". Some
> glass bottles I have into put a container, others I can return to a
> shop and get some money back. There is no difference in container, the
> only difference is a mark on the bottle itself.
>
> regards
>
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Re: [Tagging] amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 12. Jan 2020, at 18:15, Marc Gemis  wrote:
> 
> I don't understand this "typology of container that is accepted". Some
> glass bottles I have into put a container, others I can return to a
> shop and get some money back. There is no difference in container, the
> only difference is a mark on the bottle itself.



then they’re likely recycling and not reusable bottles. 

Usually reusable bottles are thicker (both pet and glass bottles), although 
there are some very thick containers of all kind of material that is not 
reusable.

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Re: [Tagging] amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=

[Jake Edmonds via Tagging]

Here is the list of brands accepted at three stores near by. I also checked two 
others, one had a picture of various shapes and colours (with no labels) of 
bottles and the other lists ‘beer 0,33l, beer 0,5l) but both did have a list of 
which brands of plastic crates are accepted  
Fresh
Fresh 2
Billa
Birell
Birell

Budwar
Budwar
Budwar
Budweiser
Budweiser

Corgoň
Corgoň
Corgoň
Heineken
Heineken
Heineken
Kachelman
Kachelman
Kachelman
Kelt
Kelt
Kelt
Kozel
Kozel
Kozel
Krušovice
Krušovice

Pilsner
Pilsner
Pilsner
Šariš
Šariš
Šariš
Smädný Mních
Smädný Mních
Smädný Mních
Starobrno
Starobrno
Starobrno
Zlatý Bažant
Zlatý Bažant
Zlatý Bažant




Steiger
Steiger





Budiš


Fatra


Gambrinus


Gemer


Grošák


Martiner


Sitňan


Staropramen


Topvar



14
15
21


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> On 12 Jan 2020, at 18:15, Marc Gemis  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>>> Is the different between recycling and reusing important for the average 
>>> consumer who a) wants to claim their deposit and b)  doesn’t want to put 
>>> the item into landfill?
>> 
>> 
>> first of all it is indicating the (rough) typology of container that is 
>> accepted, secondly it would seem strange to tag something “recycling” when 
>> it’s actually much more beneficial for the environment because of reuse.
> 
> I don't understand this "typology of container that is accepted". Some
> glass bottles I have into put a container, others I can return to a
> shop and get some money back. There is no difference in container, the
> only difference is a mark on the bottle itself.
> 
> regards
> 
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Re: [Tagging] amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=

[Marc Gemis]

> > Is the different between recycling and reusing important for the average 
> > consumer who a) wants to claim their deposit and b)  doesn’t want to put 
> > the item into landfill?
>
>
> first of all it is indicating the (rough) typology of container that is 
> accepted, secondly it would seem strange to tag something “recycling” when 
> it’s actually much more beneficial for the environment because of reuse.

I don't understand this "typology of container that is accepted". Some
glass bottles I have into put a container, others I can return to a
shop and get some money back. There is no difference in container, the
only difference is a mark on the bottle itself.

regards

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[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> On 11. Jan 2020, at 08:07, Jake Edmonds via Tagging 
>  wrote:
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> Is the different between recycling and reusing important for the average 
> consumer who a) wants to claim their deposit and b)  doesn’t want to put the 
> item into landfill? 


first of all it is indicating the (rough) typology of container that is 
accepted, secondly it would seem strange to tag something “recycling” when it’s 
actually much more beneficial for the environment because of reuse.

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[Jake Edmonds via Tagging]

Is the different between recycling and reusing important for the average 
consumer who a) wants to claim their deposit and b)  doesn’t want to put the 
item into landfill? 

Even schemes designed to reused containers have a limit on the number of 
reuses, the container I return might be on it’s first use or it’s thirtieth use.


> On 10 Jan 2020, at 23:19, Graeme Fitzpatrick  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 10 Jan 2020 at 18:55, Martin Koppenhoefer  > wrote:
> 
> Am Fr., 10. Jan. 2020 um 08:58 Uhr schrieb Marc Gemis  >:
> > amenity=reverse_vending_machine
> > reverse_vending=bottle_return
> >
> > Machines may take more than one type of item. Some here take bottles and 
> > bottle creates. Some take metal cans.
> 
> sometimes (e.g. common typology in German shops) you can add both, plastic 
> bottles for recycling and reusable bottles in plastic or glass (but usually 
> not bottles in glass for recycling) into the same "machine" (which will often 
> just be a conveyor belt with a scanner and a receipt printer, while sorting 
> takes place manually behind the curtain). Other machines are only for plastic 
> bottles for recycling and they will crush the bottles to reduce space 
> requirements. I have never seen a machine that accepts glass bottles for 
> recycling (but maybe they exist somewhere),
> 
> They certainly do! Here you go: 
> https://www.mytomra.com.au/home/qld-containers-for-change/ 
> 
> 
>   Thanks
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[Jake Edmonds via Tagging]

Regardless of whether the main tag should be changed or not, on second thought, 
I think the following tags should be used:

brand= To indicate how the service is branded, for example, a recycling/bottle 
return company or the name of the super market where the machine is located

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Reverse_Vending_Machine_-_Fresh_Plus_-_Pod_šiancom_-_Kosice.jpg
 

 
Located inside and branded as Fresh (a supermarket), the 
receipt can only be exchanged in Fresh.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Reverse_vending_machine_for_the_NSW_Container_Deposit_Scheme_at_the_Kooringal_Mall_2.jpg
 

 
Located outside and branded as Return and Earn (a government 
scheme), retail vouchers, PayPal an e-vouchers are available.
operator= To indicate who maintains/services the machine, possibly the same as 
the brand, maybe hard to find out.
breweries= To indicate the brands of containers that the machine accepts 

> On 5 Jan 2020, at 21:43, Colin Smale  wrote:
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> On 2020-01-05 21:02, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> 
>> 
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>>> On 5. Jan 2020, at 16:46, Colin Smale  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The term vending machine is misrepresenting these machines and should not 
>>> be used.
>>> 
>>> They are frequently called "reverse vending" machines - instead of the 
>>> customer trading money for goods, they trade goods for money.
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_vending_machine 
>>> 
>>  
>> clearly „reverse vending machine" is a completely different term/concept 
>> than „vending machine", although it plays with the idea of using the same 
>> words and change the meaning by adding „reverse" to it
>>  
> It is also a clearly related concept. I hereby propose:
>amenity=reverse_vending_machine
>reverse_vending=bottle_return
> Problem solved.
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Re: [Tagging] amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=

[Colin Smale]

On 2020-01-05 21:02, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:

> sent from a phone 
> 
>> On 5. Jan 2020, at 16:46, Colin Smale  wrote:
> 
> The term vending machine is misrepresenting these machines and should not be 
> used. 
> 
> They are frequently called "reverse vending" machines - instead of the 
> customer trading money for goods, they trade goods for money. 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_vending_machine

clearly „reverse vending machine" is a completely different term/concept
than „vending machine", although it plays with the idea of using the
same words and change the meaning by adding „reverse" to it 

It is also a clearly related concept. I hereby propose: 
   amenity=reverse_vending_machine 
   reverse_vending=bottle_return 
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Re: [Tagging] amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 5. Jan 2020, at 16:46, Colin Smale  wrote:
> 
>> The term vending machine is misrepresenting these machines and should not be 
>> used.
> 
> 
> They are frequently called "reverse vending" machines - instead of the 
> customer trading money for goods, they trade goods for money.
>  
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_vending_machine


clearly „reverse vending machine“ is a completely different term/concept than 
„vending machine“, although it plays with the idea of using the same words and 
change the meaning by adding „reverse“ to it


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Re: [Tagging] amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=

[Colin Smale]

On 2020-01-05 16:22, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:

> sent from a phone
> 
> I would characterize them completely differently, nothing is sold, and you 
> don't get a discount coupon but rather a receipt to get back your deposit. 
> The term vending machine is misrepresenting these machines and should not be 
> used.

They are frequently called "reverse vending" machines - instead of the
customer trading money for goods, they trade goods for money. 

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Re: [Tagging] amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 5. Jan 2020, at 13:39, Jake Edmonds via Tagging 
>  wrote:
> 
> Some bottle return vending machines are placed inside supermarket stores and 
> give the user a discount coupon to redeem in-store when paying for their 
> shopping. The supermarket chain may not own, empty or maintain the machine 
> but it appears operator=* is already being used for this case. Should we 
> continue and add it to additional tags?


I would characterize them completely differently, nothing is sold, and you 
don’t get a discount coupon but rather a receipt to get back your deposit. The 
term vending machine is misrepresenting these machines and should not be used.

Cheers Martin 
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