Re: [Tails-dev] Install & soft

[Austin English]

On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 11:18 AM,   wrote:
> Sur 2016-05-13 14:19 UTC sajolida  écrit:
>>
>> leos...@i2pmail.org:
>> > Sur 2016-05-09 23:05 UTC sajolida  écrit:
>> >> intrigeri:
>> >>> leos...@i2pmail.org wrote (08 May 2016 20:42:18 GMT) :
>>  2/ The install procedure with 2 usb keys isn't the best way. It's more 
>>  easy to burn
>>  a iso image on a dvd, then install Tails from a dvd to an usb key.
>> >>>
>> >>> I'll let the people who are working on our installation process reply
>> >>> in more depth if they wish, but nowadays it seems that it's way
>> >>> easier, for many people, to get 2 USB sticks than a DVD burner.
>> >>
>> >> Right, that's what we had in mind even though I agree with you that the
>> >> procedure with 2 USB sticks might not be the fastest for everybody.
>> >>
>> >> A few more thoughts on the topic:
>> >>
>> >> - For Mac we documented both options: install the intermediary Tails on
>> >> USB or DVD. Here we *had* to integrate DVD in the flow for everybody
>> >> because Macs are a nightmare and have very different support for USB
>> >> stick. But the result is much more complex for the user.
>> >>
>> >> - For Linux, the technique with GNOME Disks is quite nice and is
>> >> available out-of-the-box for the major distros with their default
>> >> environment (Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora). But you're right, here we're
>> >> taking for granted that it's easier to have 2 USB stick handy than a DVD
>> >> burner and a blank DVD. We thought this was a reasonable assumption in 
>> >> 2015.
>> >>
>> >> - For Windows, the technique that we document, using UUI, is a bit
>> >> awkward but has the advantage of working independently of the Windows
>> >> version (I'm not sure whether DVD burning tools exists in Windows from
>> >> XP to 10) and of whether people have a DVD burner or not (this is
>> >> becoming less and less common on laptops). We thought it would be better
>> >> to recommend a single technique than to open multiple paths depending on
>> >> the Windows version and hardware. It was also much less work for us.
>> >>
>> >> This said, on each /install/{linux,win,debian} we have a secondary
>> >> option for "Burning Tails on a DVD". Now I'm realizing that maybe we
>> >> should add a note at the end of https://tails.boum.org/install/dvd/ to
>> >> make it clear to people that they can then clone this Tails on a USB 
>> >> stick.
>> >>
>> > I thank you for your answer sajolida. I understand that is easiest for 
>> > many people to use two usb keys. I run fedora, I used the technique with 
>> > GNOME Disks, but the first usb keys (intermediate Tails) has never start !
>>
>> Then that's a different (and interesting!) problem. So far on
>> https://tails.boum.org/support/known_issues I see only one PC (Lenovo
>> IdeaPad Y410p) that is known to fail starting from a USB stick created
>> using GNOME Disks. So, in your case, unless you have a Lenovo IdeaPad
>> Y410p, either:
>>
>> - Something failed while creating the intermediary USB stick and it
>> would be interesting to try again and see what might have failed (maybe
>> there's something we should adjust in our instructions).
>>
>> - Maybe your laptop really can't start from such a USB stick and this
>> should be listed as a known issue.
>>
>> So if you feel like it, it would be quite interesting if you could try
>> again to create an intermediary Tails using GNOME Disks, start from it,
>> and report your findings to tails-b...@boum.org as instructed here:
>>
>> https://tails.boum.org/doc/first_steps/bug_reporting/tails_does_not_start/
>>
>> We writing to tails-b...@boum.org point them to this thread:
>>
>> https://mailman.boum.org/pipermail/tails-dev/2016-May/010628.html
>
> Hi sajolida,
> I try again to create an intermediary Tails using Gnome Disk. I have 2 Dell 
> computers:
> The first one is a Vostro 1510, the intermediary Tails usb keys doesn't boot, 
> the bios message is: "Missing Operating System";
> the second one is an Inspiron 3847,I insert intermediary Tails usb key, but 
> no message and Fedora 22 boot.
> The final Tails installed from a DVD to an usb key boots and works fine on 
> the both.
>>I hope to help you...
>
> Also, I would like the next version of Tails is delivered with "proxychains". 
> Thank you.

As intrigeri asked previously, can you please provide a practical
example of why it would be useful or needed? I.e., what doesn't work
now that would work if proxychains were installed?

-- 
-Austin
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Re: [Tails-dev] Install & soft

[leostar]

Sur 2016-05-13 14:19 UTC sajolida  écrit:
> 
> leos...@i2pmail.org:
> > Sur 2016-05-09 23:05 UTC sajolida  écrit:
> >> intrigeri:
> >>> leos...@i2pmail.org wrote (08 May 2016 20:42:18 GMT) :
>  2/ The install procedure with 2 usb keys isn't the best way. It's more 
>  easy to burn
>  a iso image on a dvd, then install Tails from a dvd to an usb key.
> >>>
> >>> I'll let the people who are working on our installation process reply
> >>> in more depth if they wish, but nowadays it seems that it's way
> >>> easier, for many people, to get 2 USB sticks than a DVD burner.
> >>
> >> Right, that's what we had in mind even though I agree with you that the
> >> procedure with 2 USB sticks might not be the fastest for everybody.
> >>
> >> A few more thoughts on the topic:
> >>
> >> - For Mac we documented both options: install the intermediary Tails on
> >> USB or DVD. Here we *had* to integrate DVD in the flow for everybody
> >> because Macs are a nightmare and have very different support for USB
> >> stick. But the result is much more complex for the user.
> >>
> >> - For Linux, the technique with GNOME Disks is quite nice and is
> >> available out-of-the-box for the major distros with their default
> >> environment (Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora). But you're right, here we're
> >> taking for granted that it's easier to have 2 USB stick handy than a DVD
> >> burner and a blank DVD. We thought this was a reasonable assumption in 
> >> 2015.
> >>
> >> - For Windows, the technique that we document, using UUI, is a bit
> >> awkward but has the advantage of working independently of the Windows
> >> version (I'm not sure whether DVD burning tools exists in Windows from
> >> XP to 10) and of whether people have a DVD burner or not (this is
> >> becoming less and less common on laptops). We thought it would be better
> >> to recommend a single technique than to open multiple paths depending on
> >> the Windows version and hardware. It was also much less work for us.
> >>
> >> This said, on each /install/{linux,win,debian} we have a secondary
> >> option for "Burning Tails on a DVD". Now I'm realizing that maybe we
> >> should add a note at the end of https://tails.boum.org/install/dvd/ to
> >> make it clear to people that they can then clone this Tails on a USB stick.
> >>
> > I thank you for your answer sajolida. I understand that is easiest for many 
> > people to use two usb keys. I run fedora, I used the technique with GNOME 
> > Disks, but the first usb keys (intermediate Tails) has never start !
> 
> Then that's a different (and interesting!) problem. So far on
> https://tails.boum.org/support/known_issues I see only one PC (Lenovo
> IdeaPad Y410p) that is known to fail starting from a USB stick created
> using GNOME Disks. So, in your case, unless you have a Lenovo IdeaPad
> Y410p, either:
> 
> - Something failed while creating the intermediary USB stick and it
> would be interesting to try again and see what might have failed (maybe
> there's something we should adjust in our instructions).
> 
> - Maybe your laptop really can't start from such a USB stick and this
> should be listed as a known issue.
> 
> So if you feel like it, it would be quite interesting if you could try
> again to create an intermediary Tails using GNOME Disks, start from it,
> and report your findings to tails-b...@boum.org as instructed here:
> 
> https://tails.boum.org/doc/first_steps/bug_reporting/tails_does_not_start/
> 
> We writing to tails-b...@boum.org point them to this thread:
> 
> https://mailman.boum.org/pipermail/tails-dev/2016-May/010628.html

Hi sajolida,
I try again to create an intermediary Tails using Gnome Disk. I have 2 Dell 
computers:
The first one is a Vostro 1510, the intermediary Tails usb keys doesn't boot, 
the bios message is: "Missing Operating System";
the second one is an Inspiron 3847,I insert intermediary Tails usb key, but no 
message and Fedora 22 boot.
The final Tails installed from a DVD to an usb key boots and works fine on the 
both. 
>I hope to help you...
 
Also, I would like the next version of Tails is delivered with "proxychains". 
Thank you.
Regards.
Leo

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