[Tails-dev] Install & soft
Hi all ! You do a very good job developing Tails. I have two suggestions: 1/ "proxychains" is very useful to connect soft trough Tor, maybe you can add it on next version ? 2/ The install procedure with 2 usb keys isn't the best way. It's more easy to burn a iso image on a dvd, then install Tails from a dvd to an usb key. This is my personal experience. Anyway, I trust you. Sorry for my poor English. Regards. Leo ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] Install & soft
hi, leos...@i2pmail.org wrote (08 May 2016 20:42:18 GMT) : > 1/ "proxychains" is very useful to connect soft trough Tor, maybe > you can add it on next version ? Can you please provide a practical example of why it would be useful or needed? > 2/ The install procedure with 2 usb keys isn't the best way. It's more easy > to burn > a iso image on a dvd, then install Tails from a dvd to an usb key. I'll let the people who are working on our installation process reply in more depth if they wish, but nowadays it seems that it's way easier, for many people, to get 2 USB sticks than a DVD burner. Cheers, -- intrigeri ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] Install & soft
intrigeri:
> leos...@i2pmail.org wrote (08 May 2016 20:42:18 GMT) :
>> 1/ "proxychains" is very useful to connect soft trough Tor, maybe
>> you can add it on next version ?
>
> Can you please provide a practical example of why it would be useful
> or needed?
>
>> 2/ The install procedure with 2 usb keys isn't the best way. It's more easy
>> to burn
>> a iso image on a dvd, then install Tails from a dvd to an usb key.
>
> I'll let the people who are working on our installation process reply
> in more depth if they wish, but nowadays it seems that it's way
> easier, for many people, to get 2 USB sticks than a DVD burner.
Right, that's what we had in mind even though I agree with you that the
procedure with 2 USB sticks might not be the fastest for everybody.
A few more thoughts on the topic:
- For Mac we documented both options: install the intermediary Tails on
USB or DVD. Here we *had* to integrate DVD in the flow for everybody
because Macs are a nightmare and have very different support for USB
stick. But the result is much more complex for the user.
- For Linux, the technique with GNOME Disks is quite nice and is
available out-of-the-box for the major distros with their default
environment (Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora). But you're right, here we're
taking for granted that it's easier to have 2 USB stick handy than a DVD
burner and a blank DVD. We thought this was a reasonable assumption in 2015.
- For Windows, the technique that we document, using UUI, is a bit
awkward but has the advantage of working independently of the Windows
version (I'm not sure whether DVD burning tools exists in Windows from
XP to 10) and of whether people have a DVD burner or not (this is
becoming less and less common on laptops). We thought it would be better
to recommend a single technique than to open multiple paths depending on
the Windows version and hardware. It was also much less work for us.
This said, on each /install/{linux,win,debian} we have a secondary
option for "Burning Tails on a DVD". Now I'm realizing that maybe we
should add a note at the end of https://tails.boum.org/install/dvd/ to
make it clear to people that they can then clone this Tails on a USB stick.
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Re: [Tails-dev] Install & soft
Hi, leos...@i2pmail.org: install procedure If both options are available, burning a DVD seems easiest. If one option is available, it is increasingly not DVD. sajolida: Macs are a [USB] nightmare Are these issues documented anywhere? I have access to a library with Macs from many years and have had no issues with dd or DVD installed Tails. Windows is a different story ): Wordlife, Spencer ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] Install & soft
leos...@i2pmail.org:
> Sur 2016-05-09 23:05 UTC sajolida écrit:
>> intrigeri:
>>> leos...@i2pmail.org wrote (08 May 2016 20:42:18 GMT) :
2/ The install procedure with 2 usb keys isn't the best way. It's more
easy to burn
a iso image on a dvd, then install Tails from a dvd to an usb key.
>>>
>>> I'll let the people who are working on our installation process reply
>>> in more depth if they wish, but nowadays it seems that it's way
>>> easier, for many people, to get 2 USB sticks than a DVD burner.
>>
>> Right, that's what we had in mind even though I agree with you that the
>> procedure with 2 USB sticks might not be the fastest for everybody.
>>
>> A few more thoughts on the topic:
>>
>> - For Mac we documented both options: install the intermediary Tails on
>> USB or DVD. Here we *had* to integrate DVD in the flow for everybody
>> because Macs are a nightmare and have very different support for USB
>> stick. But the result is much more complex for the user.
>>
>> - For Linux, the technique with GNOME Disks is quite nice and is
>> available out-of-the-box for the major distros with their default
>> environment (Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora). But you're right, here we're
>> taking for granted that it's easier to have 2 USB stick handy than a DVD
>> burner and a blank DVD. We thought this was a reasonable assumption in 2015.
>>
>> - For Windows, the technique that we document, using UUI, is a bit
>> awkward but has the advantage of working independently of the Windows
>> version (I'm not sure whether DVD burning tools exists in Windows from
>> XP to 10) and of whether people have a DVD burner or not (this is
>> becoming less and less common on laptops). We thought it would be better
>> to recommend a single technique than to open multiple paths depending on
>> the Windows version and hardware. It was also much less work for us.
>>
>> This said, on each /install/{linux,win,debian} we have a secondary
>> option for "Burning Tails on a DVD". Now I'm realizing that maybe we
>> should add a note at the end of https://tails.boum.org/install/dvd/ to
>> make it clear to people that they can then clone this Tails on a USB stick.
>>
> I thank you for your answer sajolida. I understand that is easiest for many
> people to use two usb keys. I run fedora, I used the technique with GNOME
> Disks, but the first usb keys (intermediate Tails) has never start !
Then that's a different (and interesting!) problem. So far on
https://tails.boum.org/support/known_issues I see only one PC (Lenovo
IdeaPad Y410p) that is known to fail starting from a USB stick created
using GNOME Disks. So, in your case, unless you have a Lenovo IdeaPad
Y410p, either:
- Something failed while creating the intermediary USB stick and it
would be interesting to try again and see what might have failed (maybe
there's something we should adjust in our instructions).
- Maybe your laptop really can't start from such a USB stick and this
should be listed as a known issue.
So if you feel like it, it would be quite interesting if you could try
again to create an intermediary Tails using GNOME Disks, start from it,
and report your findings to tails-b...@boum.org as instructed here:
https://tails.boum.org/doc/first_steps/bug_reporting/tails_does_not_start/
We writing to tails-b...@boum.org point them to this thread:
https://mailman.boum.org/pipermail/tails-dev/2016-May/010628.html
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Re: [Tails-dev] Install & soft
Sur 2016-05-13 14:19 UTC sajolida écrit:
>
> leos...@i2pmail.org:
> > Sur 2016-05-09 23:05 UTC sajolida écrit:
> >> intrigeri:
> >>> leos...@i2pmail.org wrote (08 May 2016 20:42:18 GMT) :
> 2/ The install procedure with 2 usb keys isn't the best way. It's more
> easy to burn
> a iso image on a dvd, then install Tails from a dvd to an usb key.
> >>>
> >>> I'll let the people who are working on our installation process reply
> >>> in more depth if they wish, but nowadays it seems that it's way
> >>> easier, for many people, to get 2 USB sticks than a DVD burner.
> >>
> >> Right, that's what we had in mind even though I agree with you that the
> >> procedure with 2 USB sticks might not be the fastest for everybody.
> >>
> >> A few more thoughts on the topic:
> >>
> >> - For Mac we documented both options: install the intermediary Tails on
> >> USB or DVD. Here we *had* to integrate DVD in the flow for everybody
> >> because Macs are a nightmare and have very different support for USB
> >> stick. But the result is much more complex for the user.
> >>
> >> - For Linux, the technique with GNOME Disks is quite nice and is
> >> available out-of-the-box for the major distros with their default
> >> environment (Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora). But you're right, here we're
> >> taking for granted that it's easier to have 2 USB stick handy than a DVD
> >> burner and a blank DVD. We thought this was a reasonable assumption in
> >> 2015.
> >>
> >> - For Windows, the technique that we document, using UUI, is a bit
> >> awkward but has the advantage of working independently of the Windows
> >> version (I'm not sure whether DVD burning tools exists in Windows from
> >> XP to 10) and of whether people have a DVD burner or not (this is
> >> becoming less and less common on laptops). We thought it would be better
> >> to recommend a single technique than to open multiple paths depending on
> >> the Windows version and hardware. It was also much less work for us.
> >>
> >> This said, on each /install/{linux,win,debian} we have a secondary
> >> option for "Burning Tails on a DVD". Now I'm realizing that maybe we
> >> should add a note at the end of https://tails.boum.org/install/dvd/ to
> >> make it clear to people that they can then clone this Tails on a USB stick.
> >>
> > I thank you for your answer sajolida. I understand that is easiest for many
> > people to use two usb keys. I run fedora, I used the technique with GNOME
> > Disks, but the first usb keys (intermediate Tails) has never start !
>
> Then that's a different (and interesting!) problem. So far on
> https://tails.boum.org/support/known_issues I see only one PC (Lenovo
> IdeaPad Y410p) that is known to fail starting from a USB stick created
> using GNOME Disks. So, in your case, unless you have a Lenovo IdeaPad
> Y410p, either:
>
> - Something failed while creating the intermediary USB stick and it
> would be interesting to try again and see what might have failed (maybe
> there's something we should adjust in our instructions).
>
> - Maybe your laptop really can't start from such a USB stick and this
> should be listed as a known issue.
>
> So if you feel like it, it would be quite interesting if you could try
> again to create an intermediary Tails using GNOME Disks, start from it,
> and report your findings to tails-b...@boum.org as instructed here:
>
> https://tails.boum.org/doc/first_steps/bug_reporting/tails_does_not_start/
>
> We writing to tails-b...@boum.org point them to this thread:
>
> https://mailman.boum.org/pipermail/tails-dev/2016-May/010628.html
Hi sajolida,
I try again to create an intermediary Tails using Gnome Disk. I have 2 Dell
computers:
The first one is a Vostro 1510, the intermediary Tails usb keys doesn't boot,
the bios message is: "Missing Operating System";
the second one is an Inspiron 3847,I insert intermediary Tails usb key, but no
message and Fedora 22 boot.
The final Tails installed from a DVD to an usb key boots and works fine on the
both.
>I hope to help you...
Also, I would like the next version of Tails is delivered with "proxychains".
Thank you.
Regards.
Leo
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Re: [Tails-dev] Install & soft
On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 11:18 AM, wrote:
> Sur 2016-05-13 14:19 UTC sajolida écrit:
>>
>> leos...@i2pmail.org:
>> > Sur 2016-05-09 23:05 UTC sajolida écrit:
>> >> intrigeri:
>> >>> leos...@i2pmail.org wrote (08 May 2016 20:42:18 GMT) :
>> 2/ The install procedure with 2 usb keys isn't the best way. It's more
>> easy to burn
>> a iso image on a dvd, then install Tails from a dvd to an usb key.
>> >>>
>> >>> I'll let the people who are working on our installation process reply
>> >>> in more depth if they wish, but nowadays it seems that it's way
>> >>> easier, for many people, to get 2 USB sticks than a DVD burner.
>> >>
>> >> Right, that's what we had in mind even though I agree with you that the
>> >> procedure with 2 USB sticks might not be the fastest for everybody.
>> >>
>> >> A few more thoughts on the topic:
>> >>
>> >> - For Mac we documented both options: install the intermediary Tails on
>> >> USB or DVD. Here we *had* to integrate DVD in the flow for everybody
>> >> because Macs are a nightmare and have very different support for USB
>> >> stick. But the result is much more complex for the user.
>> >>
>> >> - For Linux, the technique with GNOME Disks is quite nice and is
>> >> available out-of-the-box for the major distros with their default
>> >> environment (Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora). But you're right, here we're
>> >> taking for granted that it's easier to have 2 USB stick handy than a DVD
>> >> burner and a blank DVD. We thought this was a reasonable assumption in
>> >> 2015.
>> >>
>> >> - For Windows, the technique that we document, using UUI, is a bit
>> >> awkward but has the advantage of working independently of the Windows
>> >> version (I'm not sure whether DVD burning tools exists in Windows from
>> >> XP to 10) and of whether people have a DVD burner or not (this is
>> >> becoming less and less common on laptops). We thought it would be better
>> >> to recommend a single technique than to open multiple paths depending on
>> >> the Windows version and hardware. It was also much less work for us.
>> >>
>> >> This said, on each /install/{linux,win,debian} we have a secondary
>> >> option for "Burning Tails on a DVD". Now I'm realizing that maybe we
>> >> should add a note at the end of https://tails.boum.org/install/dvd/ to
>> >> make it clear to people that they can then clone this Tails on a USB
>> >> stick.
>> >>
>> > I thank you for your answer sajolida. I understand that is easiest for
>> > many people to use two usb keys. I run fedora, I used the technique with
>> > GNOME Disks, but the first usb keys (intermediate Tails) has never start !
>>
>> Then that's a different (and interesting!) problem. So far on
>> https://tails.boum.org/support/known_issues I see only one PC (Lenovo
>> IdeaPad Y410p) that is known to fail starting from a USB stick created
>> using GNOME Disks. So, in your case, unless you have a Lenovo IdeaPad
>> Y410p, either:
>>
>> - Something failed while creating the intermediary USB stick and it
>> would be interesting to try again and see what might have failed (maybe
>> there's something we should adjust in our instructions).
>>
>> - Maybe your laptop really can't start from such a USB stick and this
>> should be listed as a known issue.
>>
>> So if you feel like it, it would be quite interesting if you could try
>> again to create an intermediary Tails using GNOME Disks, start from it,
>> and report your findings to tails-b...@boum.org as instructed here:
>>
>> https://tails.boum.org/doc/first_steps/bug_reporting/tails_does_not_start/
>>
>> We writing to tails-b...@boum.org point them to this thread:
>>
>> https://mailman.boum.org/pipermail/tails-dev/2016-May/010628.html
>
> Hi sajolida,
> I try again to create an intermediary Tails using Gnome Disk. I have 2 Dell
> computers:
> The first one is a Vostro 1510, the intermediary Tails usb keys doesn't boot,
> the bios message is: "Missing Operating System";
> the second one is an Inspiron 3847,I insert intermediary Tails usb key, but
> no message and Fedora 22 boot.
> The final Tails installed from a DVD to an usb key boots and works fine on
> the both.
>>I hope to help you...
>
> Also, I would like the next version of Tails is delivered with "proxychains".
> Thank you.
As intrigeri asked previously, can you please provide a practical
example of why it would be useful or needed? I.e., what doesn't work
now that would work if proxychains were installed?
--
-Austin
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