Re: [GTALUG] Does the new Win10 update bork dual-boot systems?

[James Knott via talk]

On 08/03/2016 06:33 PM, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote:
> Scary stuff if true. Does anyone here know more?
>

No problem here.

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Re: [GTALUG] GUI for Ubuntu 16.04

[William Park via talk]

I don't know.  I used to prefer menu style.  But, with app names getting
more unpredictable (especially KDE names), I now prefer search style.
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On Wed, Aug 03, 2016 at 01:12:54PM -0400, Stephen via talk wrote:
> I have been running 14.04 and have no reason to upgrade.
> 
> But I am being prompted when updates are performed.
> 
> I prefer the tradition Gnome interface with a menu bar at the top.
> 
> I dislike tile based stuff.
> 
> I have Googled trying to find if I can get my preferred interface in 16.04
> but I cannot see the topic addressed. All I see are demos for the new
> interface.
> 
> So I am turning here and hope someone can me find out if/how I can use the
> traditional menu bar.
> 
> Cheers
> 
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[GTALUG] Does the new Win10 update bork dual-boot systems?

[Evan Leibovitch via talk]

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/08/windows-10-anniversary-update-delete-partition

Scary stuff if true. Does anyone here know more?

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Re: [GTALUG] GUI for Ubuntu 16.04

[Bob Jonkman via talk]

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I like the Gnome2 UI as well. I'm currently using the MATE spin of
Ubuntu 16.04: https://ubuntu-mate.org/

Prior to the existence of Ubuntu-MATE I had successfully loaded the
package mate-desktop-environment (and mate-desktop-environment-extras)
directly from http://mate-desktop.com/ , most of which settings have
successfully transferred over to Ubuntu-MATE (exceptions are some
gnome-panel applets, but re-adding those applets fixed that). So there
is a high degree of compatibility between Ubuntu-MATE and the release
from the MATE Desktop folks.

- --Bob.


On 2016-08-03 01:19 PM, Kevin Cozens via talk wrote:
> On 16-08-03 01:12 PM, Stephen via talk wrote:
>> I have been running 14.04 and have no reason to upgrade.
> [snip]
>> I prefer the tradition Gnome interface with a menu bar at the
>> top.
> [snip]
>> So I am turning here and hope someone can me find out if/how I
>> can use the traditional menu bar.
> 
> I left Ubuntu when they came out with Unity. I went to Linux Mint
> with the MATE desktop. MATE is based on Gnome 2. MATE allows me to
> keep the Gnome 2 look on my desktop that I've been using for many
> years.
> 
> You could check to see how you would go about using MATE on
> Ubuntu. Since it works in Linux Mint, which is based on Ubuntu, you
> should be able to use it.
> 

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Re: [GTALUG] GUI for Ubuntu 16.04

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Re: [GTALUG] FCC "forces" TP-Link to enable open source on their router(s)

[Kevin Cozens via talk]

On 16-08-03 07:57 AM, David Collier-Brown via talk wrote:

On 01/08/16 10:19 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:

| From: James Knott via talk 

| On 08/01/2016 05:27 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:
| > So the original problem remains: how can TP-Link prevent existing
| > hardware from generating too strong signals if it cannot control the
| > firmware?
|
| The limits might be hard coded elsewhere.

No, they are not.  That's the problem:

1) FCC has made a new rule that manufacturers are to prevent customers
from breaking the signal strength limitations.


Some WiFi routers have antennae that can be unscrewed and replace with a 
different one(s). I've seen ads for router antennas claiming they can help 
if you a problem with weak signal at the receiving end.


Replacing antennae on a router with one(s) that are either more efficient or 
higher gain can result in the level of the RF output from the device 
exceeding the limits set goverment regulation.


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Re: [GTALUG] GUI for Ubuntu 16.04

[Kevin Cozens via talk]

On 16-08-03 01:12 PM, Stephen via talk wrote:

I have been running 14.04 and have no reason to upgrade.

[snip]

I prefer the tradition Gnome interface with a menu bar at the top.

[snip]

So I am turning here and hope someone can me find out if/how I can use the
traditional menu bar.


I left Ubuntu when they came out with Unity. I went to Linux Mint with the 
MATE desktop. MATE is based on Gnome 2. MATE allows me to keep the Gnome 2 
look on my desktop that I've been using for many years.


You could check to see how you would go about using MATE on Ubuntu. Since it 
works in Linux Mint, which is based on Ubuntu, you should be able to use it.


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Re: [GTALUG] Android <--> KDE = KDE Connect

[Randall Jonasz via talk]

Don't forget manjaro kde! 
Randy 

Is time a function of space? Or space of time? 
Or are they identical? Echo answers. 
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Cogito ergo sum 



On 3 Aug 2016, 3:08 a.m., at 3:08 a.m., William Park via talk  
wrote:
>Something I discovered recently... KDE Connect.
>- install "KDE Connect" app on Android phone.
>   - modern KDE desktop should come with "KDE Connect" (System Settings
>  | Hardware).
>
>It "pairs" Android phone and KDE desktop together, so that you can 
>- remote control mouse/keyboard from phone.  When you type on the
>  phone or touch the screen, it shows up as keystrokes or mouse
>  movement on desktop, respectively.
>- transfer files from phone to desktop.
>- transfer files from desktop to phone.  Unfortunately, it doesn't work
>  on Slackware, but works on Kubuntu and KaOS.
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[GTALUG] GUI for Ubuntu 16.04

[Stephen via talk]

I have been running 14.04 and have no reason to upgrade.

But I am being prompted when updates are performed.

I prefer the tradition Gnome interface with a menu bar at the top.

I dislike tile based stuff.

I have Googled trying to find if I can get my preferred interface in 
16.04 but I cannot see the topic addressed. All I see are demos for the 
new interface.


So I am turning here and hope someone can me find out if/how I can use 
the traditional menu bar.


Cheers

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Re: [GTALUG] Android <--> KDE = KDE Connect

[Scott Sullivan via talk]

On 08/03/2016 03:07 AM, William Park via talk wrote:

Something I discovered recently... KDE Connect.
- install "KDE Connect" app on Android phone.
- modern KDE desktop should come with "KDE Connect" (System Settings
  | Hardware).

It "pairs" Android phone and KDE desktop together, so that you can
- remote control mouse/keyboard from phone.  When you type on the
  phone or touch the screen, it shows up as keystrokes or mouse
  movement on desktop, respectively.
- transfer files from phone to desktop.
- transfer files from desktop to phone.  Unfortunately, it doesn't work
  on Slackware, but works on Kubuntu and KaOS.



Yeah, it's really handy, and the file transfers are way more convenient 
and reliable (network over sshFS) then USB or bluetooth.


I started a thread on it last December, you can seem my notes on setting 
up on Fedora (needed a firewall tweak then, but was straight forward).


https://gtalug.org/pipermail/talk/2015-December/002324.html


May favorite feature was when it would pause/unpause my music when I 
start and end a phone call.


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Re: [GTALUG] FCC "forces" TP-Link to enable open source on their router(s)

[David Collier-Brown via talk]

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On 01/08/16 10:19 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:

| From: James Knott via talk 

| On 08/01/2016 05:27 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:
| > So the original problem remains: how can TP-Link prevent existing
| > hardware from generating too strong signals if it cannot control the
| > firmware?
|
| The limits might be hard coded elsewhere.

No, they are not.  That's the problem:

1) FCC has made a new rule that manufacturers are to prevent customers
from breaking the signal strength limitations.
They've had such rules for a while, but on home routers, adding power 
causes more interference and cross-talk, so sane vendors tend to keep 
their power low. Some few will try reducing power when they see 
interference.


TP-Link seems to have shipped with an illegal power setting straight 
from the factory.


2) current and past hardware is "dumb" and depends on software to do
correct configuration (sensible from an engineering standpoint)

Bonus complexity: the power limits and channel frequencies depend on
the country you are currently in.  If the device has to enforce this
then it needs to know the country and probably not trust the user to
get it right.  Second best: sell a different model in each country.
The open source codebases typically uses the Linux CRDA mechanism, which 
is cryptographically signed by the kernel maintainer, John Linville, and 
allows the owner to set the country, which in turn sets the power, 
channels allowed and radar sensitivity . See 
http://linux.die.net/man/8/crda and 
https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/developers/Regulatory




Alternative solutions:

a) customers must not be allowed to replace the software
(pretty easy and cheap; works on existing hardware)

b) new hardware with "smart" radios that know not to accept violating
parameters (this requires a new geofneration of devices, ones that are
more complicated and likely more expensive; probably one device per
jurisdiction).
We do this in software, using the CRDA for good stuff and fixed tables 
in some proprietary crap. Almost all wi-fi chips are "thin" and require 
everything to be done in software by the controlling CPU.


c) some kind of sandboxing of user-supplied firmware.  This seems to be
mentioned in the article.  This is probably the most complicated
solution.  It would probably increase the engineering and
manufacturing cost, all for a small minority of customers.  And it
actually limits the reach of the third party firmware in unintended ways.
The FCC asked for cryptographically signed safety-critical software 
bits: we have part of that, but the vendors and WRT folks may need to do 
more, and perhaps get regulatory approval for the CRDA in general.


z) ignore the FCC.

Only (a) can be retrofitted on existing hardware.  TP-Link did the
obvious thing.  I hate it (as a customer who actually bought one of
their devices to run OpenWRT).  But it really is a choice between (a)
and (z) on existing devices.
Vendors previously claimed that the FCC's old rulings required (a), and 
that if you wanted a bug fix, you had to buy a new router from them. 
TP-Link seems to be the first company that actually implemented (a), but 
did it to protect not-legally-compliant software from being made 
compliant (;-))


You can imagine the reaction at the FCC!

--dave

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[GTALUG] Android <--> KDE = KDE Connect

[William Park via talk]

Something I discovered recently... KDE Connect.
- install "KDE Connect" app on Android phone.
- modern KDE desktop should come with "KDE Connect" (System Settings
  | Hardware).

It "pairs" Android phone and KDE desktop together, so that you can 
- remote control mouse/keyboard from phone.  When you type on the
  phone or touch the screen, it shows up as keystrokes or mouse
  movement on desktop, respectively.
- transfer files from phone to desktop.
- transfer files from desktop to phone.  Unfortunately, it doesn't work
  on Slackware, but works on Kubuntu and KaOS.
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