Error when trying to find the reason I am short a Window-eyes for Office install count

2015-04-26 Thread bob jutzi via Talk
When removing and re-installing both the Window-eyes for Office serial 
and Eloquence authorization in order to find the reason why I am missing 
an install count, I got the following error:
This copy of Window-ees appears to be unlicensed, your serial and IP 
address have been sent to AI Squared.  Anyone else encountered this? 
Not sure I understand the reason since I am running Window-eyes for 
Office which is free.


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RE: Correction of Applications Key info on Logitech K810 was RE: speaking of Dell computers...

2015-04-26 Thread Les Kriegler via Talk
Hi Debbie,
No problem.  Apology accepted.

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On Behalf Of Debbie April Yuille via Talk
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 12:17 AM
To: northstar1...@okiespirit.net; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Correction of Applications Key info on Logitech K810 was RE:
speaking of Dell computers...

Hello All

I'm sorry I got the key combination wrong. You press the FN key (which is
second in from the bottom left) with the right control key. It's a bit
tricky to get but it does work.

Debbie



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Sent: Sunday, 26 April 2015 2:09 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: speaking of Dell computers...

hmmm, that must be something incoded in to his keyboard because right 
alt+right ctrl doesn't do anything here on my system. shift plus f10 
has always worked though.


Legend has it that on Saturday 4/25/2015 10:39 AM, Pamela Dominguez 
via Talk said:

Do you mean you press the right control and right alt together to 
make the applications menu happen?  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Debbie April Yuille via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 3:04 AM
To: 'Les Kriegler' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: speaking of Dell computers...

Yes it does, right control and right alt.

Debbie


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Behalf Of Les Kriegler via Talk
Sent: Saturday, 25 April 2015 1:07 AM
To: 'Chris Grabowski'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: speaking of Dell computers...

Hi Chris,

I use the Logitech Bluetooth k810 and really love the keyboard.  However,
it
doesn't have an applications key.

Les

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On Behalf Of Chris Grabowski via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 9:43 AM
To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: speaking of Dell computers...

I find newer Logitech keyboards do not have an applications key.
The last couple of Microsoft keyboards I purchased have both a numlock and
an applications key.
Can't speak on any other brand keyboards.
Chris


Window-Eyes Product Support
Ai Squared
725 Airport North Office Park
Fort Wayne, IN 46825
(802) 362-3612
www.aisquared.com

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Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 6:26 AM
To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: speaking of Dell computers...

Same thing here:
My new Dell came with a keyboard but it did not have a num lock key, I
purchassed another and it came without an Applications Key.
I finally Purchassed a third keyboard that has both but the fellow at Best
Buy had a hard time finding one with both the num lock and applications
keys.
My guess is software should be designed around this newkeyboard layout
senario since I don't know if it is possible to influence the hardware
manufactures to comply with an individual software product in lieu of 99.99
percent of their base client requirements.
That or perhaps AI Squared could sell a compatible keyboard and even make a
buck for coffee.
I don't know the best solution but it seems the large manufacturers are
getting away from the applications key and the num lock keys.
By the way, the girl from Dell had no clue as to what I ment when I called
them about getting a keyboard with both and sent me to a webPage where
keyboards were detailed but even there I couldn't figure out which ones
came
with what I needed to work with WindowEyes and that is why I ended up over
at Best Buy and their sales person also had a hard time finding one but, at
least, he did find one, at least for now.
It is quite frustrating to drop hundreds for a computer only to find out
you
need to hard scrounge additional hardware if you want to use WindowEyes and
there was not anything on the WindowEyes site as to which keyboards were
compatible with their software - at least I didn't find anything at the
time.
I guess in some cases a modified f10 key will work in place of the
Applications Key but as far as I know no num lock key can be a killer me
thinks.
Rick USA

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RE: What Was The Name Of The software To Change Key Functions

2015-04-26 Thread Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk
Hi rick,
I think the person you are looking for was me.  I explained how some apps
could change the function of   the keyboard and in some cases add
functionality to it.  My personal favorite  it AutoHotKey.  There are others
of course, but this one just happens to be my personal favorite.  Not only
do I use it to remap keys at times but I also use  it to launch my favorite
programs with a quick press of a hot key.  For example windows+alt+w
launches window-eyes windows+alt+n starts NVDA windows+shift+w start winamp
and so on.  It makes my life a lot faster.  Another nice thing is once you
got it setup the way you want you can simply compile the script and send it
along to your friends.  They don't even need to have AutoHotKey installed.  
Hth 
Note if you are looking for something simpler then a little scripting
program that will do everything you want let me know and I will see what I
can dig up.  I did use another program for this function years ago. 

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Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 7:58 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: What Was The Name Of The software To Change Key Functions

Hi: I remember a posting about a program that let one change the function of
keys on a keyboard but couldn't find it in my list of deleted items folder
in outlook under what I thought the subject line was.
If you posted the message, or remember the name of the program that allows
for changing keyboard functions for individual keystrokes could you post it
up again?
I did look at many, many messages in my outlook folder but just cant find
that message.
Rick USA

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What Was The Name Of The software To Change Key Functions

2015-04-26 Thread Rick Thomas via Talk
Hi: I remember a posting about a program that let one change the function of
keys on a keyboard but couldn't find it in my list of deleted items folder
in outlook under what I thought the subject line was.
If you posted the message, or remember the name of the program that allows
for changing keyboard functions for individual keystrokes could you post it
up again?
I did look at many, many messages in my outlook folder but just cant find
that message.
Rick USA

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RE: Office 2013 ribbon tutorial

2015-04-26 Thread Les Kriegler via Talk
Hi Jim,

Thanks for this resource.  A google search found the program right away.  I
installed it and it works as advertised.

Les

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On Behalf Of Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 10:33 PM
To: 'Neville'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Office 2013 ribbon tutorial

Note I want to take the time here to bring up a useful tool.  If you are use
to office 2003 or earlier or if you would just rather use a menu system
check out a plug in for office called classic  menu for office. You can just
press alt+q twice and get a full menu system.  The only difference is the
whole menu system is a vertical menu no horizontal menus. 
Hth 


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Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 6:32 PM
To: Window Eyes
Subject: Office 2013 ribbon tutorial

Hi,
Thanks to all those who answered my enquiry on how to navigate the Office
2013 ribbon.

Before purchasing the programme, I shall use the info provided and practice
on the W7 Wordpad  ribbon.  No doubt the menu items will be a little
different but the concepts should be similar.

Cheers
Neville.
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RE: Office 2013 ribbon tutorial

2015-04-26 Thread Rod Hutton via Talk
Hi Jim,

One thing to notice about the ribbon is that it contains page tabs, so that
you use the tab key for navigation once you find the tab you want using the
arrow keys.
However, within any page, Control-tab will move you through the various
sections of controls, each section being a grouping of similarly-related
controls.
Pressing Control-tab is great also because if you keep using it you'll
eventually get back to the list of page tabs where you can arrow to another
one.
It's not so bad a system really. Smile

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Jim Grimsby JR. [mailto:jgrim...@roadrunner.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 10:40 PM
To: 'Rod Hutton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Office 2013 ribbon tutorial

Well I love the ribbon idea.  My problem is I can never seem to remember
where to find stuff.  I mean if the names of the options in the ribbon maid
more sense then I would love it.  This is why I use classic  menu.  Not
because I think the ribbon is bad I just can never remember where stuff is.
I am only 37 I hate to think I am getting set in my ways.  
 

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Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 6:54 PM
To: 'Neville'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Office 2013 ribbon tutorial

Hi Neville,

Good luck, down under, and don't get tangled in the ribbon. Big grin

All the best,

Rod

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Of Neville via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 9:32 PM
To: Window Eyes
Subject: Office 2013 ribbon tutorial

Hi,
Thanks to all those who answered my enquiry on how to navigate the Office
2013 ribbon.

Before purchasing the programme, I shall use the info provided and practice
on the W7 Wordpad  ribbon.  No doubt the menu items will be a little
different but the concepts should be similar.

Cheers
Neville.
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RE: Correction of Applications Key info on Logitech K810 was RE: speaking of Dell computers...

2015-04-26 Thread Les Kriegler via Talk
Yes, that keysgtroke does work.  Thanks.

Les

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On Behalf Of Debbie April Yuille via Talk
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 12:17 AM
To: northstar1...@okiespirit.net; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Correction of Applications Key info on Logitech K810 was RE:
speaking of Dell computers...

Hello All

I'm sorry I got the key combination wrong. You press the FN key (which is
second in from the bottom left) with the right control key. It's a bit
tricky to get but it does work.

Debbie



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Sent: Sunday, 26 April 2015 2:09 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: speaking of Dell computers...

hmmm, that must be something incoded in to his keyboard because right 
alt+right ctrl doesn't do anything here on my system. shift plus f10 
has always worked though.


Legend has it that on Saturday 4/25/2015 10:39 AM, Pamela Dominguez 
via Talk said:

Do you mean you press the right control and right alt together to 
make the applications menu happen?  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Debbie April Yuille via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 3:04 AM
To: 'Les Kriegler' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: speaking of Dell computers...

Yes it does, right control and right alt.

Debbie


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From: Talk
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Behalf Of Les Kriegler via Talk
Sent: Saturday, 25 April 2015 1:07 AM
To: 'Chris Grabowski'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: speaking of Dell computers...

Hi Chris,

I use the Logitech Bluetooth k810 and really love the keyboard.  However,
it
doesn't have an applications key.

Les

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+kriegler=nycap.rr@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Grabowski via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 9:43 AM
To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: speaking of Dell computers...

I find newer Logitech keyboards do not have an applications key.
The last couple of Microsoft keyboards I purchased have both a numlock and
an applications key.
Can't speak on any other brand keyboards.
Chris


Window-Eyes Product Support
Ai Squared
725 Airport North Office Park
Fort Wayne, IN 46825
(802) 362-3612
www.aisquared.com

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Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 6:26 AM
To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: speaking of Dell computers...

Same thing here:
My new Dell came with a keyboard but it did not have a num lock key, I
purchassed another and it came without an Applications Key.
I finally Purchassed a third keyboard that has both but the fellow at Best
Buy had a hard time finding one with both the num lock and applications
keys.
My guess is software should be designed around this newkeyboard layout
senario since I don't know if it is possible to influence the hardware
manufactures to comply with an individual software product in lieu of 99.99
percent of their base client requirements.
That or perhaps AI Squared could sell a compatible keyboard and even make a
buck for coffee.
I don't know the best solution but it seems the large manufacturers are
getting away from the applications key and the num lock keys.
By the way, the girl from Dell had no clue as to what I ment when I called
them about getting a keyboard with both and sent me to a webPage where
keyboards were detailed but even there I couldn't figure out which ones
came
with what I needed to work with WindowEyes and that is why I ended up over
at Best Buy and their sales person also had a hard time finding one but, at
least, he did find one, at least for now.
It is quite frustrating to drop hundreds for a computer only to find out
you
need to hard scrounge additional hardware if you want to use WindowEyes and
there was not anything on the WindowEyes site as to which keyboards were
compatible with their software - at least I didn't find anything at the
time.
I guess in some cases a modified f10 key will work in place of the
Applications Key but as far as I know no num lock key can be a killer me
thinks.
Rick USA

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RE: Num Lock

2015-04-26 Thread Rod Hutton via Talk
Hi Rick,

Just following up this message which I had kept.  The thing is that, for the
lady, Carol, I wrote the app for, she says her brother's NumPad doesn't have
a NumLock, but now it looks like the number keys on that NumPad don't have
the normal alternate functions like normal Numpads do.
So, now what? Smile

Take care,

Rod

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Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:29 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Num Lock

Hi: OK, so we can either set the applications key function using auto hot
key or use shift and f10 and that is ok.
Now, why not have a WE setting in the control panel to lock the num lock
setting and perhaps a hot key combo to toggle it?
Using the f10 key would then become the default WE Applications key and the
num lock could be toggled easily or set in the WE Control Panel.
Just a thought on what seems an easy fix to a potential major headache for
WE Users who get confused with the newer keyboards not having these keys.
WE should work with modern technologies out of the box and this would
eliminate these 2 problems me thinks.
Searching for non-standard modern or outdated keyboards is not a good thing
to force your clients into having to do to use your product when it is not
necessary at all with minimal programming effort.
Neither is having clients required to load up and use someone elses software
like auto hot key - they should be able to buy the product, turn it on and
use it - not turn it on and hope they can figure out some way to fix it
before even using it.
At least from the prior postings this would seem to be the case.
Does this make sense or am I missing something?
Rick USA

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RE: What Was The Name Of The software To Change Key Functions

2015-04-26 Thread Chip Orange via Talk
Hi Rick,

I think it was me who posted about a free program named Key Tweak.  I did
a quick google and found it at:
http://www.tucows.com/preview/327616/KeyTweak

I used it because I bought a laptop which advertised it had a full keyboard,
but it did not have an applications key, so I remapped some key on its
keyboard which I wasn't using to be the applications key (for context
menus).  It was easy to use.

Yes, I could have used shift-F10, but this keyboard has all 12 function keys
pushed together with many keys at each end, and it's time consuming to count
over to find F10.

In other cases, you might not have an alternative to the key you need, and
Key Tweak lets you pick a key and assign a key code to it.

Hth,

Chip


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On Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 10:58 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: What Was The Name Of The software To Change Key Functions

Hi: I remember a posting about a program that let one change the function of
keys on a keyboard but couldn't find it in my list of deleted items folder
in outlook under what I thought the subject line was.
If you posted the message, or remember the name of the program that allows
for changing keyboard functions for individual keystrokes could you post it
up again?
I did look at many, many messages in my outlook folder but just cant find
that message.
Rick USA

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RE: What Was The Name Of The software To Change Key Functions

2015-04-26 Thread Rick Thomas via Talk
OK, this one worked.
I guess I have to respond to all instead of respond to group on the Outlook
Ribbon,sigh.
Rod, if you don't see jims reply or Chips reply on list I will post them -
keeping them for a day or so this time.
Rick USA
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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 6:54 PM
To: 'Jim Grimsby JR.'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: What Was The Name Of The software To Change Key Functions

Hi: Actually Rod had asked me if I had the message.
I got this from Jim and I see another from Chip if Rod is reading this.
PS: Not sure if this is sort of a duplicate but my sent messages did not
indicate they were sent to the list so am sending this and checking to see
if it hits the list.
Rick USA

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From: Jim Grimsby JR. [mailto:jgrim...@roadrunner.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 11:55 AM
To: 'Rick Thomas'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: What Was The Name Of The software To Change Key Functions

Hi rick,
I think the person you are looking for was me.  I explained how some apps
could change the function of   the keyboard and in some cases add
functionality to it.  My personal favorite  it AutoHotKey.  There are others
of course, but this one just happens to be my personal favorite.  Not only
do I use it to remap keys at times but I also use  it to launch my favorite
programs with a quick press of a hot key.  For example windows+alt+w
launches window-eyes windows+alt+n starts NVDA windows+shift+w start winamp
and so on.  It makes my life a lot faster.  Another nice thing is once you
got it setup the way you want you can simply compile the script and send it
along to your friends.  They don't even need to have AutoHotKey installed.  
Hth 
Note if you are looking for something simpler then a little scripting
program that will do everything you want let me know and I will see what I
can dig up.  I did use another program for this function years ago. 

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Subject: What Was The Name Of The software To Change Key Functions

Hi: I remember a posting about a program that let one change the function of
keys on a keyboard but couldn't find it in my list of deleted items folder
in outlook under what I thought the subject line was.
If you posted the message, or remember the name of the program that allows
for changing keyboard functions for individual keystrokes could you post it
up again?
I did look at many, many messages in my outlook folder but just cant find
that message.
Rick USA

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a re designed site throwing window eyes off

2015-04-26 Thread mcleod stinnett via Talk
running IE8 latest FF win 7 64 bit home.  several days ago, the blind
tech archives did a slight make over.  now when i read the messages in
the archives, and hit alt left arrow to go back to the previous page,
that contains the message heading, focus lands two messages to the
rite instead of landing on my last Visited link.  is there a  new
coding that w-e   9.1 isn't able to handle as well as before?
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Re: Using WE with Gmail

2015-04-26 Thread Jim via Talk
Yes, gMail works fine with W.E. and ThunderBird. Have been using this 
combination for several years now with verry little trouble.  Just 
thought I would let you know.  73  Have a great Day! de

KF8LTJim Wohlgamuth.

On 24-Apr-15 17:59, Bill Belew via Talk wrote:

I can tell you that gmail works well in Outlook and in WLM.  I don't know
about Thunderbird.

Bill


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+bill=mind@lists.window-eyes.com] On
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Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 1:56 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Using WE with Gmail

Listers,

I have recently signed up to a Gmail account, and when looking at the
page for the first time, I noticed there being options for screen reader
users. I took a look at the help page, and it all looks quite
interesting anyway, if not helpful.

I'm just wondering if those of you who use the Web interface find it to
be all that blind friendly? If so, could you all tell me if there are
any steps I should take when using WE to ease my adjustment to the whole
thing? Any apps I should be aware of?

I have yet to make my first post, or subscribe to my first mailing list,
so will really be using for the first time.

I may have mentioned this before, but I am hoping that Gmail will make
it possible for me to subscribe to Yahoo groups based lists, because I
haven't been all that successful with Comcast, so this is something I
really don't want to have to do right now, but I have questions that I
think would be a bit less than relevant to this list, although all of
you have been most helpful.

One more thing if I may. Does Gmail allow for using offline mail clients
like Thunderbird? I tried using Thunderbird to set up its self with
Gmail, and the attempt was rejected as a possible attempt at a hack. I
tried it using IMAP, so maybe I should have tried with POP. Anyway, any
ideas about this aspect would also be appreciated.

Thanks,

Larry
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iTunes Question

2015-04-26 Thread Alan J Paganelli via Talk

Hi All,

I'm running the latest version of Window Eyes on a windows 64 bitHP 64 bit 
laptop.  I haven't updated my iTunes version to the latest and thought I'd 
do so today.  The thing of it is, every time I open iTunes, Window Eyes 
crashes.  If I restart WE and open iTunes, it crashes again.  It didn't do 
this before.  Anybody have any ideas I can try to resoulve this issue? 


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Screen Reader compatible Keyboards. Was: Re: speaking of Dell computers...

2015-04-26 Thread David via Talk

Rick and the rest,
This discussion, altogether reminds me the one that every now and than, 
has popped up around USB NumPads.


Rick, how much we would love a list provided, for all keyboards on the 
market, and their compatibility, it will never work. I am going to deal 
with but a couple of reasons, some of them likely brand new to some of you.


First of all, it is true, some keyboards need hardware specific drivers. 
Even Microsoft has a line of keyboards, which will need drivers, 
particularly designed for the keyboard to work fully. In some cases, the 
driver has a menu, or some sort of a control panel, to setup the exact 
behavior. For instance, my one Microsoft keyboard here, comes with a set 
of Quick keys, for launching your favorite net browser, your standard 
Email client, your desirable music player and so forth. Trouble is, the 
control panel provided by the driver, simply is useless with a screen 
reader, due to a totally graphical interface. Another Microsoft keyboard 
I have, is somehow doable to program, since the control panel for 
setting it up, is partially labelled with text on the screen.In both 
cases, should you decide you don't want to change the quick keys and 
their standard (default)  behavior, you can run both these keyboards as 
plug-and-play. Plug them in, and enjoy the standard features, including 
an app-key, a numlock key, and standard behavior of the numeric keypad.


My one Logitech keyboard, does not have a right-hand windows key, but 
does have an application key. My one Dell laptop has no app-key, no 
right windows key, but has an FN-key. The wireless keyboard I am on at 
this instance, has an app-key, a numlock-key, but has no Ctrl-key on the 
right hand, only on the left - which cause certain keystrokes no longer 
possible as one-handed strokes. What puzzles, is that all these 
keyboards are told - from the manufacturer and advertisers - to be 
standard keyboards. Might be worth to notice, that a desktop keyboard is 
considered standard, when it has anything between 101 and 105 keys, 
and that is except from quick-keys and multimedia keys.


My point here is, that there is a literal jungle of manufacturers, and 
it would be hard to determine if each and everyone of them keeps to a 
full standard. Even one and same manufacturer may have different 
keyboards, often with more or less identical names and model numbers. As 
already described above, my two Microsoft keyboards, are somehow 
different in accessibility. And the history of some other users, buying 
three different Dell keyboards, before they landed on one that could do, 
will tell the same point quite well. A list of functional keyboards, 
should it take into consideration only the hardware, leaving the driver, 
control panel or other software for the keyboard out of the story?


I did ask the local dealer of WE here, as well as the former GW staff, 
why they did not sell USB NumPads, which would have greatly increased 
the functionality of laptops. The answer I got both places, may well 
enough apply in the case of why they don't sell full keyboards either. 
The local dealer told me, they had found one USB NumPad, completely 
working with the screen reader. they wanted to play the safe part, and 
ordered in a good stock of this particular keypad, same brand, same 
model, same design. Only to realize, that half the keypads were useless, 
as they did not work properly with the screen reader. Why? Because the 
processor used inside the keypad, that is the very electronic part that 
sends the keystrokes to the computer for further handling, would alter 
from one production batch, to the other. That means in effect, you order 
three keyboards from one and same manufacturer, one each day. Day1, the 
keypad will work faultlessly with the screen reader. Day2, no chance. 
Day3, the same as day1.


Now lets take a look on how the industry works. You buy a Dell computer, 
I buy an HP. Our grandmothers both decide to go for a Linovo. It is easy 
enough to determine that the dell comes with an AMD processor, the HP 
and Linovo both base their operation on Intel processors. This is 
something clearly stated on the box, and even in the advertisement. 
Window-Eyes is designed to be running likewise on both processors. Yet, 
no matter how close they are in design and specifications, you might 
once in a while end up with cases where a piece of software does work on 
one, but not so on the other. Was more of a challenge 15 years ago, but 
still may apply in very specific cases. The processor then does not 
matter much. but what about all the other one hundred pieces of hardware 
inside your computer. do you think that HP manufactur each and every 
component on their own, and so does Dell and Linovo? Promise you, the 
technology to manufacture just one of those electronic tiny pieces, is a 
technolgy that none of us on the list has the money and knowledge to 
build, manufacture and otherwise engineer. And before you claim 

RE: a re designed site throwing window eyes off

2015-04-26 Thread Karyn Campbell via Talk
Upgrade I.E. version and try again.  I think you might have better results.

Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA, karyn1...@gmail.com
Using WE 9.1   on HP Pavilion laptop running Windows 8.1 home premium
i64-bit with Office 2013 and IE 11 as well as Acer netbook running Windows 7
home premium 64-bit with Office 2007 and IE 10 and Vipre Antiirus on Acer
netbook and macaffe Live Safe on HP Pavilion.




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RE: we 9.1 outlook 2003 red problems

2015-04-26 Thread Josh Rivera via Talk
I too, would like to know the answer to these questions.
Having the same issues. Running the same operating system with Win-eyes 9.1


 
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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+josh.riveranr=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Jim Elsner via Talk
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 6:26 PM
To: Steve Jacobson; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: we 9.1 outlook 2003 red problems

My system win7 home premium 64 bit ms office 2003 and we 9.1
After up dating to we 9.1 Outlook 2003  we echoes no flag as I arrow 
down through my messages in the in box. This no flag is something I 
don't need to hear.  I also find no way to see how many unread messages 
are in the in box.  The status bar just tells me how many messages are 
in the folder.
Please help.
Jim
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Why does this keep happening

2015-04-26 Thread Larry Higgins via Talk

Hello again,

Does anybody else experience this particularly annoying problem? 
Periodically I have an issue where when I go to read a daisy book from 
Bookshare on my system, using the XML file, at times, and more often 
than I would like, the hot keys for place markers just wont work. 
Yesterday I had the problem, and it corrected itself only when I 
rebooted. OK, you might say, there's your answer, but really, who wants 
to have to reboot when these commands should work with a level of 
consistency.


I notice a similar problem when using Winamp. Most of the time, I have 
to change my focus back and forth and my scripts will finally work. I 
mean, that usually does it in that instance without something as drastic 
as a reboot, thank God.


Anyway, any input on this issue will be much appreciated. And who knows, 
maybe I'll leave you guys alone for a while smile.


Thanks,

Larry
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RE: What Was The Name Of The software To Change Key Functions

2015-04-26 Thread Rod Hutton via Talk
Hi Rick,

Yes, I saw both posts, from Jim and Chip. Smile

Thanks,

Rod

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 7:09 PM
To: 'Rick Thomas'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: What Was The Name Of The software To Change Key Functions

OK, this one worked.
I guess I have to respond to all instead of respond to group on the Outlook
Ribbon,sigh.
Rod, if you don't see jims reply or Chips reply on list I will post them -
keeping them for a day or so this time.
Rick USA
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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 6:54 PM
To: 'Jim Grimsby JR.'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: What Was The Name Of The software To Change Key Functions

Hi: Actually Rod had asked me if I had the message.
I got this from Jim and I see another from Chip if Rod is reading this.
PS: Not sure if this is sort of a duplicate but my sent messages did not
indicate they were sent to the list so am sending this and checking to see
if it hits the list.
Rick USA

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From: Jim Grimsby JR. [mailto:jgrim...@roadrunner.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 11:55 AM
To: 'Rick Thomas'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: What Was The Name Of The software To Change Key Functions

Hi rick,
I think the person you are looking for was me.  I explained how some apps
could change the function of   the keyboard and in some cases add
functionality to it.  My personal favorite  it AutoHotKey.  There are others
of course, but this one just happens to be my personal favorite.  Not only
do I use it to remap keys at times but I also use  it to launch my favorite
programs with a quick press of a hot key.  For example windows+alt+w
launches window-eyes windows+alt+n starts NVDA windows+shift+w start winamp
and so on.  It makes my life a lot faster.  Another nice thing is once you
got it setup the way you want you can simply compile the script and send it
along to your friends.  They don't even need to have AutoHotKey installed.  
Hth 
Note if you are looking for something simpler then a little scripting
program that will do everything you want let me know and I will see what I
can dig up.  I did use another program for this function years ago. 

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Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 7:58 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: What Was The Name Of The software To Change Key Functions

Hi: I remember a posting about a program that let one change the function of
keys on a keyboard but couldn't find it in my list of deleted items folder
in outlook under what I thought the subject line was.
If you posted the message, or remember the name of the program that allows
for changing keyboard functions for individual keystrokes could you post it
up again?
I did look at many, many messages in my outlook folder but just cant find
that message.
Rick USA

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