RE: itunes problems

2015-09-17 Thread Rick Blair via Talk
What version of iTunes are you running? What version of Window Eyes are you
running? What version of Operating System?

Rick

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Hey guys,

I am running itunes with window-eyes cause i have to sink with my phone. 
  When i load it, and hit the up and down arrow, all i hear is top and 
bottom.
   When i press tab it says no link or control.  I can not get to the 
buttons or anything that say iphone.  What am i doing wrong?  I have 
something coming up that says itunes store, and then makes a little sound.
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itunes problems

2015-09-17 Thread Jed Barton via Talk

Hey guys,

I am running itunes with window-eyes cause i have to sink with my phone. 
 When i load it, and hit the up and down arrow, all i hear is top and 
bottom.
  When i press tab it says no link or control.  I can not get to the 
buttons or anything that say iphone.  What am i doing wrong?  I have 
something coming up that says itunes store, and then makes a little sound.

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Re: Professional level robust Punctuation/grammar/proofing tools that work with Window-Eyes.

2015-09-17 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk
I apologize for my gross incompetence and ignorance. But to this old 
country boy a sentence is a sentence whether I write one-hundred or 
one-hundred thousand of them. They all have to be written correctly. And 
that is my responsibility. Although it has been my experience that 
editors actually do something as well. But perhaps that's only here in 
the downtown district.


I may be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure these elusive beasts you refer to 
as "large manuscripts" predate the computer and the all knowing program.


But I sincerely hope you find the magic program you're looking for.

You're welcome,

Tom



On 9/17/2015 6:49 PM, Diana Kube wrote:

Not that I don't agree with your sentiment but when one is dealing with 400
page, 100,000 word documents, errors will be made and need to be addressed.
Unfortunately, editors and reviewers are not willing to make corrections
they believe should be addressed prior to submission. Just because I have
asked for a programme recommendation to assist in proofing my rather large
documents, doesn't mean that I am illiterate or have no understanding of
grammatical  rules and conventions. Your comments illustrate that you have
little to know experience in working with large manuscripts. This work is
very different to a 10 page essay.

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On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Friday, 18 September 2015 1:41 AM
To: Diana Kube ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Professional level robust Punctuation/grammar/proofing tools
that work with Window-Eyes.

Hi Diana,

I don't at all mean to sound arrogant. But in my opinion the best thing
to do for yourself is learn how to do it right yourself. No program is
going to be perfect. And editors don't mind making minor corrections.
That's their job. Also, part of it is simply their personal preference
or that of the publication.

When it comes to punctuation there isn't a set of rules carved in stone
for the English language. And that is what a program works best with.

Editors and writers will always disagree over things like the use of
semicolons instead of separate sentences, too many or too few commas or
clauses, the latter of which may or may not also involve semicolons.
Then there's the timeless debate over the serial comma, which is also
referred to as the Oxford or Harvard comma. I have no idea what a
program would do with that. Do you know the difference between a
parenthetical statement enclosed in parentheses and one enclosed in em
dashes? No program can.

One consensus among editors is a raw hatred for the exclamation mark.
Why this is is a mystery. But it's been preached from the bully pulpit
for as long as I can remember. So I suppose a program could simply
blacklist the exclamation mark. Then again, under just the right
circumstances it is just the right mark for the occasion. Still, whether
the editor agrees or not is a roll of the dice every time.

So it's a combination of developing your own style and knowing that of
the publication you're submitting to, because, as I said, they're not
all hard and fast rules. I say the publication rather than the editor
because often it's the publication's rules the editor wants you to
adhere to, which aren't necessarily one and the same. Professional
publications typically desire consistency throughout. So it may be more
the publications rules you and the editor are working toward rather than
either of your own personal preferences.

Academia is pretty well set but there's still wiggle room even there.
"professional" is an open field on what is right or wrong depending on
the particular genre or sub-genre. And again, there's the matter of the
editor's/publication's preference. No reasonable editor is going to have
a problem with preferential edits. They know they're forcing their style
on your writing. These are the cases wherein you simply have to learn
and write to that predefined ideal.

When you say "Word misses a high percentage of unusual errors including
punctuation with narrated and quoted text in the same sentence," I read
that as pretty much everything. If you meant something more specific
please feel free to elaborate.

Good luck,
Tom


On 9/17/2015 7:05 AM, Diana Kube via Talk wrote:

The default spell/grammar check that comes with word is not robust enough
for large, professional or academic manuscripts. Is anyone aware of a high

quality, professional

level tool that works effectively with Window-Eyes?



I have tried both "Grammarly" and "Ginger" but although they work well for
my sighted husband, they are not effective using Window-Eyes. I am getting

a

lot of negative comments regarding errors in manuscripts that reviewers

and

editors believe should be addressed prior to submission. Any suggestions??

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new release for windows 10:

2015-09-17 Thread kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk
Hi will window-eyes still work with windows 10 when the new service release
comes out? And will office 2010 still work? 

Kenny Peyatt jr.

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RE: Professional level robust Punctuation/grammar/proofing tools that work with Window-Eyes.

2015-09-17 Thread Diana Kube via Talk
Not that I don't agree with your sentiment but when one is dealing with 400
page, 100,000 word documents, errors will be made and need to be addressed.
Unfortunately, editors and reviewers are not willing to make corrections
they believe should be addressed prior to submission. Just because I have
asked for a programme recommendation to assist in proofing my rather large
documents, doesn't mean that I am illiterate or have no understanding of
grammatical  rules and conventions. Your comments illustrate that you have
little to know experience in working with large manuscripts. This work is
very different to a 10 page essay.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+kube=netspace.net...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Friday, 18 September 2015 1:41 AM
To: Diana Kube ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Professional level robust Punctuation/grammar/proofing tools
that work with Window-Eyes.

Hi Diana,

I don't at all mean to sound arrogant. But in my opinion the best thing 
to do for yourself is learn how to do it right yourself. No program is 
going to be perfect. And editors don't mind making minor corrections. 
That's their job. Also, part of it is simply their personal preference 
or that of the publication.

When it comes to punctuation there isn't a set of rules carved in stone 
for the English language. And that is what a program works best with.

Editors and writers will always disagree over things like the use of 
semicolons instead of separate sentences, too many or too few commas or 
clauses, the latter of which may or may not also involve semicolons. 
Then there's the timeless debate over the serial comma, which is also 
referred to as the Oxford or Harvard comma. I have no idea what a 
program would do with that. Do you know the difference between a 
parenthetical statement enclosed in parentheses and one enclosed in em 
dashes? No program can.

One consensus among editors is a raw hatred for the exclamation mark. 
Why this is is a mystery. But it's been preached from the bully pulpit 
for as long as I can remember. So I suppose a program could simply 
blacklist the exclamation mark. Then again, under just the right 
circumstances it is just the right mark for the occasion. Still, whether 
the editor agrees or not is a roll of the dice every time.

So it's a combination of developing your own style and knowing that of 
the publication you're submitting to, because, as I said, they're not 
all hard and fast rules. I say the publication rather than the editor 
because often it's the publication's rules the editor wants you to 
adhere to, which aren't necessarily one and the same. Professional 
publications typically desire consistency throughout. So it may be more 
the publications rules you and the editor are working toward rather than 
either of your own personal preferences.

Academia is pretty well set but there's still wiggle room even there. 
"professional" is an open field on what is right or wrong depending on 
the particular genre or sub-genre. And again, there's the matter of the 
editor's/publication's preference. No reasonable editor is going to have 
a problem with preferential edits. They know they're forcing their style 
on your writing. These are the cases wherein you simply have to learn 
and write to that predefined ideal.

When you say "Word misses a high percentage of unusual errors including 
punctuation with narrated and quoted text in the same sentence," I read 
that as pretty much everything. If you meant something more specific 
please feel free to elaborate.

Good luck,
Tom


On 9/17/2015 7:05 AM, Diana Kube via Talk wrote:
> The default spell/grammar check that comes with word is not robust enough
> for large, professional or academic manuscripts. Is anyone aware of a high
quality, professional
> level tool that works effectively with Window-Eyes?
>
>
>
> I have tried both "Grammarly" and "Ginger" but although they work well for
> my sighted husband, they are not effective using Window-Eyes. I am getting
a
> lot of negative comments regarding errors in manuscripts that reviewers
and
> editors believe should be addressed prior to submission. Any suggestions??
>
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window eyes as an app never mind

2015-09-17 Thread Josh K via Talk
hey never mind upon doing window eyes as app. reading about how apps are 
developed it would restrict window eyes to turn it into an app, it would 
not help it at all since its then sandboxed.



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Re: window eyes as a windows 10 store app?

2015-09-17 Thread Josh K via Talk
windows10 is excellent! its like the best of windows xp 7 and 8. did you 
read the amazon reviews? it has a lot more of five star ratings than 
win8 ever did.


follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 9/17/2015 12:15 PM, Singing Sparrow wrote:
only problem is that people are calling windows 10 a flop like windows 
me was according to what i have read. don't think the windows store 
nor aisquared would want to make it like this what do you want 
everything to be like a mac?


On 9/17/2015 9:41 AM, Josh K wrote:
well maybe this could be rolled out over the next 5 to 10 years as 
eventualy we will all have to upgrade to 10 or above due to lack of 
win7 support.


follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 9/17/2015 10:31 AM, Singing Sparrow wrote:
if this were to be done what about people on windows 7 since apps 
like this could not be used if it was brought through the windows 
store?


On 9/17/2015 8:50 AM, Josh K via Talk wrote:

hi
are there any plans to make window eyes and window eyes for office 
into a windows app rather than the old style programs? I read apps 
are more secure and efficient than the old style programs. and they 
also uninstall lots more cleanly that is what i read.














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Re: window eyes as a windows 10 store app?

2015-09-17 Thread Josh K via Talk

it would be easier and faster to install.

follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 9/17/2015 10:48 AM, Brian Moore wrote:
what would be the bennifit?  there would also be the issue of having 
to get it in the first place.  seems like a lot of effort for 0 bennifit.

Brian.

On 09/17/2015 10:41 AM, Josh K via Talk wrote:
well maybe this could be rolled out over the next 5 to 10 years as 
eventualy we will all have to upgrade to 10 or above due to lack of 
win7 support.


follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 9/17/2015 10:31 AM, Singing Sparrow wrote:
if this were to be done what about people on windows 7 since apps 
like this could not be used if it was brought through the windows 
store?


On 9/17/2015 8:50 AM, Josh K via Talk wrote:

hi
are there any plans to make window eyes and window eyes for office 
into a windows app rather than the old style programs? I read apps 
are more secure and efficient than the old style programs. and they 
also uninstall lots more cleanly that is what i read.







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tb enhance app

2015-09-17 Thread Butch K via Talk
Hello, can someone tell me which version of thunderbird works best, or at least 
well, with the tb enhance app. I am trying TB on a windows 8 machine running 
wineyes 8.4, but I am having problems here and there. So can someone tell me 
with version of TB works best with wineyes 8.4? Thanks.

Butch

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Re: Prompts in Web Pages

2015-09-17 Thread Norene Trappa via Talk
Hi,  I have the same problem, so I am glad to know where to look for a place 
to change it.  Thanks.


Norene



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Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 5:10 AM
To: Barbara ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Prompts in Web Pages

Hi,
Is it possible you have an add-on that is taking over the alt-n command?
This is an Internet Explorer command..
When you can't get to those buttons, can you still press insert-n to have 
Window-eyes read the notification area?


Chris


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Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 8:11 PM
To: Window-Eyes 
Subject: Prompts in Web Pages

Hello Everyone,

I am using IE 11 and Window-Eyes 9.2.

When I go to some web pages, I get prompts.  An example might be a prompt to 
ask if I want IE to save a password. I would hear press alt-y for yes and 
alt-n for no.  I do not seem to be able to access this correctly.  I know if 
there is a notification bar, I can press alt-n to access it.  However 
pressing alt-n in this situation gets me nothing.  The web site ignores 
whatever I press and goes on to the web page.  I will get the same prompt 
the next time I visit the same page.


Another similar situation is a prompt for unsecure sections of a web page.
I will hear press alt-a to allow and I think it says alt-n  for not.  Same 
issue here.


I think both of these situations have more options, but I think you get what 
I am trying to ask here.


Thanks in advance for any help.

Barbara
Go Cards!
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RE: Word 2007 Question

2015-09-17 Thread Rod Hutton via Talk
Hi Pastor Gil,

In the WE control panel, under Verbosity, Office, Word, Miscellaneous, the
first option is Speak auto correct, and it is checked by default.
If you uncheck it, and then save the settings using Control-S, then you
won't hear Action undo auto actions when you pass over a spelling error.
I think this is what you were referring to.

Hth,

Rod

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Subject: Re: Word 2007 Question

Are there any other settings I should set?
Like smart tags undo autoaction?

Pastor Gil

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Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 10:58 AM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Word 2007 Question

Okay,
Thanks very much everybody.

Pastor Gil
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Re: Professional level robust Punctuation/grammar/proofing tools that work with Window-Eyes.

2015-09-17 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk

Thanks George, Robin, and Rod.

Of course we all know there is no George participating in this virtual
conversation. And yet, George does have his place in life. You see,
"George, Robin, and Rod," is a good example of the serial comma removing
the possible ambiguity lurking devilishly in my communicatory
commencement of this transference of digital data to our rather
communicative community.

I know not if you, Robin, or you, Rod, are married or have a partner.
But I am sure that if you do they would appreciate the knowledge that
you two are not together thanks to the simple serial comma that so
elegantly dangles from Robin's right shoe like a proud flag of
confirmation. I in fact think it is rather becoming, however, I would
not go so far as to say it looks stunning. But that's another story
better left for another day.

And as for you, my dear friend, Rod? Fear not, my brother in arms. I
offer you my solemn oath that the initiation of a sentence with a
preposition or conjunction is indeed legal in today's contemporary
culture. Therefore you have no need to concern yourself with the
possibility of being beheaded. Times they are a changin'.

Tom


On 9/17/2015 1:45 PM, Rod Hutton wrote:

Hi Tom, and all,

And, if I may say, that was beautifully written and I agree with your
assessment.  Oops, did I start the previous sentence with a conjunction?  I
can't speak in minute detail as to your use of punctuation, since I have my
punctuation echo turned off, but, if Window-Eyes phrasing with respect to
punctuation can be trusted, as I usually do, that was done superbly as well.
I wonder what those fancy grammar checkers would do to my "eloquent" prose.
smile

All the best,

Rod

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Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: September 17, 2015 11:41 AM
To: Diana Kube ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Professional level robust Punctuation/grammar/proofing tools
that work with Window-Eyes.

Hi Diana,

I don't at all mean to sound arrogant. But in my opinion the best thing
to do for yourself is learn how to do it right yourself. No program is
going to be perfect. And editors don't mind making minor corrections.
That's their job. Also, part of it is simply their personal preference
or that of the publication.

When it comes to punctuation there isn't a set of rules carved in stone
for the English language. And that is what a program works best with.

Editors and writers will always disagree over things like the use of
semicolons instead of separate sentences, too many or too few commas or
clauses, the latter of which may or may not also involve semicolons.
Then there's the timeless debate over the serial comma, which is also
referred to as the Oxford or Harvard comma. I have no idea what a
program would do with that. Do you know the difference between a
parenthetical statement enclosed in parentheses and one enclosed in em
dashes? No program can.

One consensus among editors is a raw hatred for the exclamation mark.
Why this is is a mystery. But it's been preached from the bully pulpit
for as long as I can remember. So I suppose a program could simply
blacklist the exclamation mark. Then again, under just the right
circumstances it is just the right mark for the occasion. Still, whether
the editor agrees or not is a roll of the dice every time.

So it's a combination of developing your own style and knowing that of
the publication you're submitting to, because, as I said, they're not
all hard and fast rules. I say the publication rather than the editor
because often it's the publication's rules the editor wants you to
adhere to, which aren't necessarily one and the same. Professional
publications typically desire consistency throughout. So it may be more
the publications rules you and the editor are working toward rather than
either of your own personal preferences.

Academia is pretty well set but there's still wiggle room even there.
"professional" is an open field on what is right or wrong depending on
the particular genre or sub-genre. And again, there's the matter of the
editor's/publication's preference. No reasonable editor is going to have
a problem with preferential edits. They know they're forcing their style
on your writing. These are the cases wherein you simply have to learn
and write to that predefined ideal.

When you say "Word misses a high percentage of unusual errors including
punctuation with narrated and quoted text in the same sentence," I read
that as pretty much everything. If you meant something more specific
please feel free to elaborate.

Good luck,
Tom


On 9/17/2015 7:05 AM, Diana Kube via Talk wrote:

The default spell/grammar check that comes with word is not robust enough
for large, professional or academic manuscripts. Is anyone aware of a high

quality, professional

level tool that works effectively with Window-Eyes?



I have tried both "Grammarly" and "Ginger" but although 

Re: Word 2007 Question

2015-09-17 Thread Pastor Gil Pries via Talk

   Are there any other settings I should set?
Like smart tags undo autoaction?

Pastor Gil

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Okay,
Thanks very much everybody.

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Word 2007 Question

2015-09-17 Thread Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Okay,
Thanks very much everybody.

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RE: Word 2007 Question

2015-09-17 Thread Rod Hutton via Talk
Hi Pastor Gil,

As Robin was saying, on the Advanced tab under Options, you can change the Show 
this number of Recent items setting, and, in fact, you can set the number to 
zero.

All the best,

Rod



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Hi,
I’m using Office 2007 Student Home Edition.
Where is the setting in word that keeps Word from making a list of the 
documents I’ve opened?
Thanks,

Pastor Gil
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RE: Professional level robust Punctuation/grammar/proofing tools that work with Window-Eyes.

2015-09-17 Thread Rod Hutton via Talk
Hi Tom, and all,

And, if I may say, that was beautifully written and I agree with your
assessment.  Oops, did I start the previous sentence with a conjunction?  I
can't speak in minute detail as to your use of punctuation, since I have my
punctuation echo turned off, but, if Window-Eyes phrasing with respect to
punctuation can be trusted, as I usually do, that was done superbly as well.
I wonder what those fancy grammar checkers would do to my "eloquent" prose.
smile

All the best,

Rod

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[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: September 17, 2015 11:41 AM
To: Diana Kube ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Professional level robust Punctuation/grammar/proofing tools
that work with Window-Eyes.

Hi Diana,

I don't at all mean to sound arrogant. But in my opinion the best thing 
to do for yourself is learn how to do it right yourself. No program is 
going to be perfect. And editors don't mind making minor corrections. 
That's their job. Also, part of it is simply their personal preference 
or that of the publication.

When it comes to punctuation there isn't a set of rules carved in stone 
for the English language. And that is what a program works best with.

Editors and writers will always disagree over things like the use of 
semicolons instead of separate sentences, too many or too few commas or 
clauses, the latter of which may or may not also involve semicolons. 
Then there's the timeless debate over the serial comma, which is also 
referred to as the Oxford or Harvard comma. I have no idea what a 
program would do with that. Do you know the difference between a 
parenthetical statement enclosed in parentheses and one enclosed in em 
dashes? No program can.

One consensus among editors is a raw hatred for the exclamation mark. 
Why this is is a mystery. But it's been preached from the bully pulpit 
for as long as I can remember. So I suppose a program could simply 
blacklist the exclamation mark. Then again, under just the right 
circumstances it is just the right mark for the occasion. Still, whether 
the editor agrees or not is a roll of the dice every time.

So it's a combination of developing your own style and knowing that of 
the publication you're submitting to, because, as I said, they're not 
all hard and fast rules. I say the publication rather than the editor 
because often it's the publication's rules the editor wants you to 
adhere to, which aren't necessarily one and the same. Professional 
publications typically desire consistency throughout. So it may be more 
the publications rules you and the editor are working toward rather than 
either of your own personal preferences.

Academia is pretty well set but there's still wiggle room even there. 
"professional" is an open field on what is right or wrong depending on 
the particular genre or sub-genre. And again, there's the matter of the 
editor's/publication's preference. No reasonable editor is going to have 
a problem with preferential edits. They know they're forcing their style 
on your writing. These are the cases wherein you simply have to learn 
and write to that predefined ideal.

When you say "Word misses a high percentage of unusual errors including 
punctuation with narrated and quoted text in the same sentence," I read 
that as pretty much everything. If you meant something more specific 
please feel free to elaborate.

Good luck,
Tom


On 9/17/2015 7:05 AM, Diana Kube via Talk wrote:
> The default spell/grammar check that comes with word is not robust enough
> for large, professional or academic manuscripts. Is anyone aware of a high
quality, professional
> level tool that works effectively with Window-Eyes?
>
>
>
> I have tried both "Grammarly" and "Ginger" but although they work well for
> my sighted husband, they are not effective using Window-Eyes. I am getting
a
> lot of negative comments regarding errors in manuscripts that reviewers
and
> editors believe should be addressed prior to submission. Any suggestions??
>
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RE: Word 2007 Question

2015-09-17 Thread Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Gil,
I'm not sure if you can fully stop it, but you can reduce the list size to one. 
 In Word 2010, the setting is in the Options dialog found on the File Menu.  
Then arrow down to the Advanced tab and tab through the options till you hear 
"Show this number of recent documents" and change the number in the 
corresponding box.  The setting is quite far down on the list. 

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To: t...@window-eyes.com
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Hi,
I’m using Office 2007 Student Home Edition.
Where is the setting in word that keeps Word from making a list of the 
documents I’ve opened?
Thanks,

Pastor Gil
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RE: Professional level robust Punctuation/grammar/proofing tools that work with Window-Eyes.

2015-09-17 Thread Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Well said, Tom!  Punctuation is often a matter of formality in the writing.  



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Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 9:41 AM
To: Diana Kube; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Professional level robust Punctuation/grammar/proofing tools that 
work with Window-Eyes.

Hi Diana,

I don't at all mean to sound arrogant. But in my opinion the best thing to do 
for yourself is learn how to do it right yourself. No program is going to be 
perfect. And editors don't mind making minor corrections. 
That's their job. Also, part of it is simply their personal preference or that 
of the publication.

When it comes to punctuation there isn't a set of rules carved in stone for the 
English language. And that is what a program works best with.

Editors and writers will always disagree over things like the use of semicolons 
instead of separate sentences, too many or too few commas or clauses, the 
latter of which may or may not also involve semicolons. 
Then there's the timeless debate over the serial comma, which is also referred 
to as the Oxford or Harvard comma. I have no idea what a program would do with 
that. Do you know the difference between a parenthetical statement enclosed in 
parentheses and one enclosed in em dashes? No program can.

One consensus among editors is a raw hatred for the exclamation mark. 
Why this is is a mystery. But it's been preached from the bully pulpit for as 
long as I can remember. So I suppose a program could simply blacklist the 
exclamation mark. Then again, under just the right circumstances it is just the 
right mark for the occasion. Still, whether the editor agrees or not is a roll 
of the dice every time.

So it's a combination of developing your own style and knowing that of the 
publication you're submitting to, because, as I said, they're not all hard and 
fast rules. I say the publication rather than the editor because often it's the 
publication's rules the editor wants you to adhere to, which aren't necessarily 
one and the same. Professional publications typically desire consistency 
throughout. So it may be more the publications rules you and the editor are 
working toward rather than either of your own personal preferences.

Academia is pretty well set but there's still wiggle room even there. 
"professional" is an open field on what is right or wrong depending on the 
particular genre or sub-genre. And again, there's the matter of the 
editor's/publication's preference. No reasonable editor is going to have a 
problem with preferential edits. They know they're forcing their style on your 
writing. These are the cases wherein you simply have to learn and write to that 
predefined ideal.

When you say "Word misses a high percentage of unusual errors including 
punctuation with narrated and quoted text in the same sentence," I read that as 
pretty much everything. If you meant something more specific please feel free 
to elaborate.

Good luck,
Tom


On 9/17/2015 7:05 AM, Diana Kube via Talk wrote:
> The default spell/grammar check that comes with word is not robust 
> enough for large, professional or academic manuscripts. Is anyone 
> aware of a high quality, professional level tool that works effectively with 
> Window-Eyes?
>
>
>
> I have tried both "Grammarly" and "Ginger" but although they work well 
> for my sighted husband, they are not effective using Window-Eyes. I am 
> getting a lot of negative comments regarding errors in manuscripts 
> that reviewers and editors believe should be addressed prior to submission. 
> Any suggestions??
>
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Re: Professional level robust Punctuation/grammar/proofing tools that work with Window-Eyes.

2015-09-17 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk

Hi Diana,

I don't at all mean to sound arrogant. But in my opinion the best thing 
to do for yourself is learn how to do it right yourself. No program is 
going to be perfect. And editors don't mind making minor corrections. 
That's their job. Also, part of it is simply their personal preference 
or that of the publication.


When it comes to punctuation there isn't a set of rules carved in stone 
for the English language. And that is what a program works best with.


Editors and writers will always disagree over things like the use of 
semicolons instead of separate sentences, too many or too few commas or 
clauses, the latter of which may or may not also involve semicolons. 
Then there's the timeless debate over the serial comma, which is also 
referred to as the Oxford or Harvard comma. I have no idea what a 
program would do with that. Do you know the difference between a 
parenthetical statement enclosed in parentheses and one enclosed in em 
dashes? No program can.


One consensus among editors is a raw hatred for the exclamation mark. 
Why this is is a mystery. But it's been preached from the bully pulpit 
for as long as I can remember. So I suppose a program could simply 
blacklist the exclamation mark. Then again, under just the right 
circumstances it is just the right mark for the occasion. Still, whether 
the editor agrees or not is a roll of the dice every time.


So it's a combination of developing your own style and knowing that of 
the publication you're submitting to, because, as I said, they're not 
all hard and fast rules. I say the publication rather than the editor 
because often it's the publication's rules the editor wants you to 
adhere to, which aren't necessarily one and the same. Professional 
publications typically desire consistency throughout. So it may be more 
the publications rules you and the editor are working toward rather than 
either of your own personal preferences.


Academia is pretty well set but there's still wiggle room even there. 
"professional" is an open field on what is right or wrong depending on 
the particular genre or sub-genre. And again, there's the matter of the 
editor's/publication's preference. No reasonable editor is going to have 
a problem with preferential edits. They know they're forcing their style 
on your writing. These are the cases wherein you simply have to learn 
and write to that predefined ideal.


When you say "Word misses a high percentage of unusual errors including 
punctuation with narrated and quoted text in the same sentence," I read 
that as pretty much everything. If you meant something more specific 
please feel free to elaborate.


Good luck,
Tom


On 9/17/2015 7:05 AM, Diana Kube via Talk wrote:

The default spell/grammar check that comes with word is not robust enough
for large, professional or academic manuscripts. Is anyone aware of a high 
quality, professional
level tool that works effectively with Window-Eyes?



I have tried both "Grammarly" and "Ginger" but although they work well for
my sighted husband, they are not effective using Window-Eyes. I am getting a
lot of negative comments regarding errors in manuscripts that reviewers and
editors believe should be addressed prior to submission. Any suggestions??

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Re: window eyes as a windows 10 store app?

2015-09-17 Thread Brian Moore via Talk
what would be the bennifit?  there would also be the issue of having to 
get it in the first place.  seems like a lot of effort for 0 bennifit.

Brian.

On 09/17/2015 10:41 AM, Josh K via Talk wrote:
well maybe this could be rolled out over the next 5 to 10 years as 
eventualy we will all have to upgrade to 10 or above due to lack of 
win7 support.


follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 9/17/2015 10:31 AM, Singing Sparrow wrote:
if this were to be done what about people on windows 7 since apps 
like this could not be used if it was brought through the windows store?


On 9/17/2015 8:50 AM, Josh K via Talk wrote:

hi
are there any plans to make window eyes and window eyes for office 
into a windows app rather than the old style programs? I read apps 
are more secure and efficient than the old style programs. and they 
also uninstall lots more cleanly that is what i read.







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Re: window eyes as a windows 10 store app?

2015-09-17 Thread Josh K via Talk
well maybe this could be rolled out over the next 5 to 10 years as 
eventualy we will all have to upgrade to 10 or above due to lack of win7 
support.


follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 9/17/2015 10:31 AM, Singing Sparrow wrote:
if this were to be done what about people on windows 7 since apps like 
this could not be used if it was brought through the windows store?


On 9/17/2015 8:50 AM, Josh K via Talk wrote:

hi
are there any plans to make window eyes and window eyes for office 
into a windows app rather than the old style programs? I read apps 
are more secure and efficient than the old style programs. and they 
also uninstall lots more cleanly that is what i read.







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Re: window eyes as a windows 10 store app?

2015-09-17 Thread Singing Sparrow via Talk
if this were to be done what about people on windows 7 since apps like 
this could not be used if it was brought through the windows store?


On 9/17/2015 8:50 AM, Josh K via Talk wrote:

hi
are there any plans to make window eyes and window eyes for office 
into a windows app rather than the old style programs? I read apps are 
more secure and efficient than the old style programs. and they also 
uninstall lots more cleanly that is what i read.





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window eyes as a windows 10 store app?

2015-09-17 Thread Josh K via Talk

hi
are there any plans to make window eyes and window eyes for office into 
a windows app rather than the old style programs? I read apps are more 
secure and efficient than the old style programs. and they also 
uninstall lots more cleanly that is what i read.


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Word 2007 Question

2015-09-17 Thread Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Hi,
I’m using Office 2007 Student Home Edition.
Where is the setting in word that keeps Word from making a list of the 
documents I’ve opened?
Thanks,

Pastor Gil
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RE: Professional level robust Punctuation/grammar/proofing tools that work with Window-Eyes.

2015-09-17 Thread Diana Kube via Talk
Thanks David, I too have been an adaptive tech consultant in a previous
incarnation but am unaware of settings that increase the robustness of word
enough for the type of evaluation the reviewers and editors are looking for.
If you have any ideas of what I can look at I am open to any and all
suggestions.

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Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2015 9:18 PM
To: Greg Daniel ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Professional level robust Punctuation/grammar/proofing tools
that work with Window-Eyes.

I admit that I should probably know more about this but I believe that 
Word's grammar checker has some options to adjust the checking to 
account for different styles. Have you tried tweeking any of these settings?

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
www.davidgoldfield.info

On 9/17/2015 7:13 AM, Greg Daniel via Talk wrote:
> Have you asked the reviewers and editors who are pointing out the 
> errors?  While this doesn't answer your Window-Eyes-related question, 
> it may give you ideas on what the professionals use.
>
> Greg
> At 07:05 AM 9/17/2015, you wrote:
>> The default spell/grammar check that comes with word is not robust 
>> enough
>> for large, professional or academic manuscripts. Word misses a high
>> percentage of unusual errors including punctuation with narrated and 
>> quoted
>> text in the same sentence. Is anyone aware of a high quality, 
>> professional
>> level tool that works effectively with Window-Eyes?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have tried both "Grammarly" and "Ginger" but although they work 
>> well for
>> my sighted husband, they are not effective using Window-Eyes. I am 
>> getting a
>> lot of negative comments regarding errors in manuscripts that 
>> reviewers and
>> editors believe should be addressed prior to submission. Any 
>> suggestions??
>>
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Re: Professional level robust Punctuation/grammar/proofing tools that work with Window-Eyes.

2015-09-17 Thread David Goldfield via Talk
I admit that I should probably know more about this but I believe that 
Word's grammar checker has some options to adjust the checking to 
account for different styles. Have you tried tweeking any of these settings?


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On 9/17/2015 7:13 AM, Greg Daniel via Talk wrote:
Have you asked the reviewers and editors who are pointing out the 
errors?  While this doesn't answer your Window-Eyes-related question, 
it may give you ideas on what the professionals use.


Greg
At 07:05 AM 9/17/2015, you wrote:
The default spell/grammar check that comes with word is not robust 
enough

for large, professional or academic manuscripts. Word misses a high
percentage of unusual errors including punctuation with narrated and 
quoted
text in the same sentence. Is anyone aware of a high quality, 
professional

level tool that works effectively with Window-Eyes?



I have tried both "Grammarly" and "Ginger" but although they work 
well for
my sighted husband, they are not effective using Window-Eyes. I am 
getting a
lot of negative comments regarding errors in manuscripts that 
reviewers and
editors believe should be addressed prior to submission. Any 
suggestions??


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RE: Professional level robust Punctuation/grammar/proofing tools that work with Window-Eyes.

2015-09-17 Thread Diana Kube via Talk
Thanks for that suggestion. They nrecommended "Grammarly" or "Ginger"
neither of which I could get to work with Window-Eyes.

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Subject: Re: Professional level robust Punctuation/grammar/proofing tools
that work with Window-Eyes.

Have you asked the reviewers and editors who are pointing out the 
errors?  While this doesn't answer your Window-Eyes-related question, 
it may give you ideas on what the professionals use.

Greg
At 07:05 AM 9/17/2015, you wrote:
>The default spell/grammar check that comes with word is not robust enough
>for large, professional or academic manuscripts. Word misses a high
>percentage of unusual errors including punctuation with narrated and quoted
>text in the same sentence. Is anyone aware of a high quality, professional
>level tool that works effectively with Window-Eyes?
>
>
>
>I have tried both "Grammarly" and "Ginger" but although they work well for
>my sighted husband, they are not effective using Window-Eyes. I am getting
a
>lot of negative comments regarding errors in manuscripts that reviewers and
>editors believe should be addressed prior to submission. Any suggestions??
>
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Re: Professional level robust Punctuation/grammar/proofing tools that work with Window-Eyes.

2015-09-17 Thread Greg Daniel via Talk
Have you asked the reviewers and editors who are pointing out the 
errors?  While this doesn't answer your Window-Eyes-related question, 
it may give you ideas on what the professionals use.


Greg
At 07:05 AM 9/17/2015, you wrote:

The default spell/grammar check that comes with word is not robust enough
for large, professional or academic manuscripts. Word misses a high
percentage of unusual errors including punctuation with narrated and quoted
text in the same sentence. Is anyone aware of a high quality, professional
level tool that works effectively with Window-Eyes?



I have tried both "Grammarly" and "Ginger" but although they work well for
my sighted husband, they are not effective using Window-Eyes. I am getting a
lot of negative comments regarding errors in manuscripts that reviewers and
editors believe should be addressed prior to submission. Any suggestions??

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Professional level robust Punctuation/grammar/proofing tools that work with Window-Eyes.

2015-09-17 Thread Diana Kube via Talk
The default spell/grammar check that comes with word is not robust enough
for large, professional or academic manuscripts. Word misses a high
percentage of unusual errors including punctuation with narrated and quoted
text in the same sentence. Is anyone aware of a high quality, professional
level tool that works effectively with Window-Eyes? 

 

I have tried both "Grammarly" and "Ginger" but although they work well for
my sighted husband, they are not effective using Window-Eyes. I am getting a
lot of negative comments regarding errors in manuscripts that reviewers and
editors believe should be addressed prior to submission. Any suggestions??

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RE: stability versus new browse mode

2015-09-17 Thread Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk
Hi,
Well I find making auto hot key scripts for starting programs much more
reliable than using the windows short cut key system.  Another advantage is
you can use key combos that are not supported by the typical windows short
cut key system.  For example: I have Window-Eyes starting with the short cut
of windows+alt+w. 
Another advantage is I can take this short cut key script and run it on any
computer and the short cut key script will work.  
Hth 


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Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 11:26 AM
To: Josh Rivera ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: RE: stability versus new browse mode

Then press windows-r and type wineyes and press enter.

If the hot key doesn't work, that will. If it doesn't work then the
alt-control-w wouldn't have worked anyway.
Chris


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[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On
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Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 11:19 AM
To: 'Kevin Huber' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: stability versus new browse mode

Only problem is, for many of us, that combination doesn't work.


 
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Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 9:57 AM
To: gosselin_louis; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: stability versus new browse mode

Hi Louis:

They have added a feature in Window-eyes 9.1 which allows you to press
control-alt-w and Window-eyes will shut down and then start up again.

Kevin Huber
On 9/15/15, gosselin_louis via Talk  wrote:
> Lately it seems that every time someone makes a reference to this 
> business of losing speech with Win-Eyes, they always mention 
> ctrl-Alt-w as the touted cure, but no one is saying that you must 
> first shut Win-Eyes down with CtrlInsert-F4, and then, after allowing 
> some time for things to take effect, and hopefully hearing the 
> descending harp stroke sound, then you do the Ctrl-Alt-W thing.  In my 
> experience, though, if you don't hear the descending harp sound, the 
> Ctrl-Alt-W wont work, either.  Fortunately, the pressing of the 
> powerbutton briefly always does work, even to briefly restoring speech 
> before it insists on shutting the computer down.  Wish there were some 
> way to halt the powerbutton shut-down at that point.
>
> Louis Gosselin
>
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> com]
> On Behalf Of Butch K via Talk
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 11:08 AM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: stability versus new browse mode
>
> Bob, as I mentioned in my first post, control, alt, W did nothing. I 
> had
to
> reboot everytime. Also, based on my experience, I wouldn't 
> characterize
the
> stability problem as "small." However, I am glad to hear that this 
> problem is being looked at. That offers some hope. Thanks.
>
> Butch
>
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RE: Prompts in Web Pages

2015-09-17 Thread Chris Grabowski via Talk
Hi,
Is it possible you have an add-on that is taking over the alt-n command?
This is an Internet Explorer command..
When you can't get to those buttons, can you still press insert-n to have 
Window-eyes read the notification area?

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On Behalf Of Barbara via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 8:11 PM
To: Window-Eyes 
Subject: Prompts in Web Pages

Hello Everyone,

I am using IE 11 and Window-Eyes 9.2.

When I go to some web pages, I get prompts.  An example might be a prompt to 
ask if I want IE to save a password. I would hear press alt-y for yes and alt-n 
for no.  I do not seem to be able to access this correctly.  I know if there is 
a notification bar, I can press alt-n to access it.  However pressing alt-n in 
this situation gets me nothing.  The web site ignores whatever I press and goes 
on to the web page.  I will get the same prompt the next time I visit the same 
page.

Another similar situation is a prompt for unsecure sections of a web page.
I will hear press alt-a to allow and I think it says alt-n  for not.  Same 
issue here.

I think both of these situations have more options, but I think you get what I 
am trying to ask here.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Barbara
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