RE: UofMich Developing New Braille Display

[Rick Thomas via Talk]

I was e-mailed the article from a former UofM grad.
Rick USA

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From: Don Mauck [mailto:don.ma...@oracle.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 12:16 PM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: RE: UofMich Developing New Braille Display

Where did you come across this?

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From: Rick Thomas via Talk [mailto:talk@lists.window-eyes.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 1:21 AM
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Subject: UofMich Developing New Braille Display

Hi: 
Nicole Casal Moore out of the University of Michigan, 
Michigan Engineering 
Is working on a fluidic braille display to display several lines of braille,
graphs etc using fluidic technology.
They plan the cost to be around $1000 which is less expensive than other
displays out there from what I heard.
This might be helpful for those of you who can read braille and use things
like braille math in your jobs.
I don't know braille but thought I would let you know something new and
possibly affordable may be on the horizon.
Anyway, just a heads up for anyone watching such technologies in case
thinking of using or creating for it.
Rick USA
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Re: Interesting fb post

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

This is like the 800th attempt at someone trying to do a lower cost braille
display. It'll probably go nowhere. I stop reading braille 15 years ago,
after being forced despite being low vision to learn it. Vision is worse
now but you will not get me to stop reading print and speech is my best
friend.

Reeva

On Monday, January 11, 2016, Matthew Chao via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> I've read it since 1960, and still love it.--Matt.
>
>
>
> On 1/11/2016 2:58 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>
>> I've read it since 1958.  Pam.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 2:05 PM
>> To: bj colt ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Interesting fb post
>>
>> hmmm, you can't do poetry or a play in synthesized speech, Braille is
>> essential for that or hearing a dramatic reading, but sometimes you need
>> both.  I would not be without Braille.  I have read it for more than 60
>> years.
>>
>>
>> bj colt via Talk  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Terry,
>>>
>>> While I did read braille, speech has overtaken that method of
>>> reading. When I did my Hon BA Social science course. I read hundreds
>>> of books. I mean hundreds. I scanned in every single one of
>>> them. Reading them in braille would have taken me abgout 40 years. My
>>> fingertip senses have reduced dramatically because of playing the
>>> guitar and neuropathy from Diabetes.
>>>
>>> I could never go back to braille. At one time I did read 60 words a
>>> minute. Which isn't fast, maybe between mid and high but not
>>> fast. Some people could read it fast. However for the deaf bllind
>>> 1,000 dollars is something else. Or for those who prefer
>>> braille. About time the price was brought down. Rip off bastards.lol
>>>
>>> Live long and prosper, John
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "Terry Bartlett via Talk" 
>>> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 5:29 PM
>>> To: "talk list" 
>>> Subject: Interesting fb post
>>>
>>> > Today, blind people fluent in Braille can read computer screens s
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > through refreshable displays that convert words to raised dots – but
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > only one line at a time.
>>> >
>>> > For the sighted, imagine a Kindle that presents just 40 characters per
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > page, says Sile O’Modhrain, an associate professor of Music, Theatre
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > and Dance at U-M, who is blind. Forty characters amounts to about 10
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > words.
>>> >
>>> > The process is slow. It doesn’t give context. It’s expensive. And
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > O’Modhrain believes it's one of the factors contributing to Braille’s
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > declining use. Even though fluency in the nearly 200-year-old code is
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > linked with higher employment and academic performance for the
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > visually impaired, fewer blind people are learning and using it.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Taking Braille’s place are text-to-speech programs that make it easier
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > and faster to consume electronic information, but at the same time,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > hold back literacy.
>>> >
>>> > So O’Modhrain, who is also in the School of Information, has teamed up
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > with engineering researchers to build a better Braille display – one
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > that could show the equivalent of a whole Kindle screen at once. In
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > addition, it could translate beyond text, rendering graphs, charts,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > spreadsheets, maps and complicated equations in a medium the blind
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > could more fully understand with their fingertips.
>>> >
>>> > “What we’re trying to build in this project is full-page tactile
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > screen for something like a Kindle or an iPad where you could just
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > display refreshable text in real time,” O’Modhrain said. “Relative to
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > what’s done today, and how that’s done, it’s a complete paradigm
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > shift.”
>>> >
>>> > In the 1950s, about half of blind children learned to read Braille,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > according to the National Federation of the Blind. Today, that number
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > is just 10 percent. Yet 80 percent of the blind people who are
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > employed know Braille. Those numbers don’t tell the whole story, as
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > definitions and health outcomes have evolved over the years. But the
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > trend they suggest is real.
>>> >
>>> > “When you’re learning to read and write, it’s hard to find a
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > substitute for physically encounter text – whether it’s in visual or
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > tactile form,” O’Modhrain said. ”There are many studies that show that
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > listening to something is not the same as reading it.”
>>> >
>>> > The system she is developing with Brent Gillespie, an associate
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > professor of mechanical engineering, and Alex Russomanno, a doctoral
>>> >
>>> >

Re: Interesting fb post

[Jim via Talk]

Reeva, I am a braille reader as well as a print reader.  Of course I 
need a print enlarger to read print, but I can read it.   I strongly 
feel that the more avenues I have open to me as a blind reader the 
better off I am!  For some reason I have never been willing to set back 
and allow others to dictate to me as to what I could or should do.
I have been using the print enlarger in one form or another since late 
1978 and reading braille all my life - at least since around the age of 
5 or so.  And Yes, I feel that speech has certainly opened an entirely 
new world up to me.  I seriously enjoy listening to audio books from the 
NLS as well as from our local library on CDs.  When I first started 
listening to audiobooks from the local library they were on cassette 
tapes.  Now I am listening to NLS Audiobooks on both the NLS book player 
as well as my Android phone.  And yes, I started listening to NLS books 
on my iPhone 4S one phone before my Galaxy S5.  So you see I am not 
afraid to try new technology.  Just my 2-sense worth for whatever 
that might be worth these days!  THANKS A Great Day! de

.

On 11-Jan-16 17:51, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:

This is like the 800th attempt at someone trying to do a lower cost braille
display. It'll probably go nowhere. I stop reading braille 15 years ago,
after being forced despite being low vision to learn it. Vision is worse
now but you will not get me to stop reading print and speech is my best
friend.

Reeva

On Monday, January 11, 2016, Matthew Chao via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


I've read it since 1960, and still love it.--Matt.



On 1/11/2016 2:58 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:


I've read it since 1958.  Pam.

-Original Message- From: via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 2:05 PM
To: bj colt ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Interesting fb post

hmmm, you can't do poetry or a play in synthesized speech, Braille is
essential for that or hearing a dramatic reading, but sometimes you need
both.  I would not be without Braille.  I have read it for more than 60
years.


bj colt via Talk  wrote:

Hi Terry,

While I did read braille, speech has overtaken that method of
reading. When I did my Hon BA Social science course. I read hundreds
of books. I mean hundreds. I scanned in every single one of
them. Reading them in braille would have taken me abgout 40 years. My
fingertip senses have reduced dramatically because of playing the
guitar and neuropathy from Diabetes.

I could never go back to braille. At one time I did read 60 words a
minute. Which isn't fast, maybe between mid and high but not
fast. Some people could read it fast. However for the deaf bllind
1,000 dollars is something else. Or for those who prefer
braille. About time the price was brought down. Rip off bastards.lol

Live long and prosper, John

--
From: "Terry Bartlett via Talk" 
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 5:29 PM
To: "talk list" 
Subject: Interesting fb post


Today, blind people fluent in Braille can read computer screens s


through refreshable displays that convert words to raised dots – but


only one line at a time.

For the sighted, imagine a Kindle that presents just 40 characters per


page, says Sile O’Modhrain, an associate professor of Music, Theatre


and Dance at U-M, who is blind. Forty characters amounts to about 10


words.

The process is slow. It doesn’t give context. It’s expensive. And


O’Modhrain believes it's one of the factors contributing to Braille’s


declining use. Even though fluency in the nearly 200-year-old code is


linked with higher employment and academic performance for the


visually impaired, fewer blind people are learning and using it.


Taking Braille’s place are text-to-speech programs that make it easier


and faster to consume electronic information, but at the same time,


hold back literacy.

So O’Modhrain, who is also in the School of Information, has teamed up


with engineering researchers to build a better Braille display – one


that could show the equivalent of a whole Kindle screen at once. In


addition, it could translate beyond text, rendering graphs, charts,


spreadsheets, maps and complicated equations in a medium the blind


could more fully understand with their fingertips.

“What we’re trying to build in this project is full-page tactile


screen for something like a Kindle or an iPad where you could just


display refreshable text in real time,” O’Modhrain said. “Relative to


what’s done today, and how that’s done, it’s a complete paradigm


shift.”

In the 1950s, about half of blind children learned to read Braille,


according to the National Federation of the Blind. Today, that number


is just 10 percent. Yet 80 percent of the blind people who are


employed know Braille. Those numbers don’t tell the whole story, as


definitions and health outcomes 

Windows 10: Calculator

[Martha Reaney via Talk]

Hi, folks.

What is the trick to using the calculator?  
In XP, with Window-Eyes 8.4, I could just type a formula and press enter and 
Window-Eyes would  announce the answer. 
Example: to multiply 3 times 8, I would enter 3 spacebar star spacebar 8 enter 
and Window-Eyes would announce 24
For entering the number and multiplication symbol, I am using the number keys 
above the QWERTY line, not the numpad keys.

To clear that calculation, I simply pressed the escape key.

This method is not seeming to work with Windoes 10 and Window-Eyes 9.3.1.  I 
believe that the calculator is set to "standard", not any of the other 
calculation options, such as scientific notation.

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RE: Windows 10: Calculator

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Martha,

It works if you don't use any spaces, and if you tab around you'll hear the
result in one of the fields.

Hth,

Rod

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[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Martha Reaney via Talk
Sent: January 11, 2016 6:01 PM
To: via Talk 
Subject: Windows 10: Calculator

Hi, folks.

What is the trick to using the calculator?  
In XP, with Window-Eyes 8.4, I could just type a formula and press enter and
Window-Eyes would  announce the answer. 
Example: to multiply 3 times 8, I would enter 3 spacebar star spacebar 8
enter and Window-Eyes would announce 24
For entering the number and multiplication symbol, I am using the number
keys above the QWERTY line, not the numpad keys.

To clear that calculation, I simply pressed the escape key.

This method is not seeming to work with Windoes 10 and Window-Eyes 9.3.1.  I
believe that the calculator is set to "standard", not any of the other
calculation options, such as scientific notation.

Martha
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Bible Seeker

[Tom Fairhurst via Talk]

I thought I remembered a lister writing about the Bible Seeker program. If so, 
is it accessible with  Window-Eyes?
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UofMich Developing New Braille Display

[Rick Thomas via Talk]

Hi: 
Nicole Casal Moore out of the University of Michigan, 
Michigan Engineering 
Is working on a fluidic braille display to display several lines of braille,
graphs etc using fluidic technology.
They plan the cost to be around $1000 which is less expensive than other
displays out there from what I heard.
This might be helpful for those of you who can read braille and use things
like braille math in your jobs.
I don't know braille but thought I would let you know something new and
possibly affordable may be on the horizon.
Anyway, just a heads up for anyone watching such technologies in case
thinking of using or creating for it.
Rick USA
Rick USA
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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frustrations with we 9.3

[Jed Barton via Talk]

Guys,
I have to be 100 percent honest, having just installed we 9.3, this is 
by far the slowest version of we i have ever used.  To say it's slow is 
a huge under-statement.  I literally have a web page, that is all text 
based, and we isn't even reading it propperly.  I'm literally arrowing 
up and down a web page, and i'm hearing nothing.  Has anyone else 
experienced problems like this?  I'm really beginning to think that this 
computer may not be physically able to handle it. This is a win 7 
machine with 4 gigs of ram.  It's about 4 years old.  I almost feel like 
i've taken a step backwards.  Any thoughts on why we wouldn't be reading 
this page.  I can tab around, but i see no text.

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Re: frustrations with we 9.3

[kitty hevener via Talk]

not having that issue.  Am using windows 7, office 2013.  R u using 32 or 64 
bit?


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From: Jed Barton via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 10:37 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: frustrations with we 9.3

Guys,
I have to be 100 percent honest, having just installed we 9.3, this is
by far the slowest version of we i have ever used.  To say it's slow is
a huge under-statement.  I literally have a web page, that is all text
based, and we isn't even reading it propperly.  I'm literally arrowing
up and down a web page, and i'm hearing nothing.  Has anyone else
experienced problems like this?  I'm really beginning to think that this
computer may not be physically able to handle it. This is a win 7
machine with 4 gigs of ram.  It's about 4 years old.  I almost feel like
i've taken a step backwards.  Any thoughts on why we wouldn't be reading
this page.  I can tab around, but i see no text.
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Re: frustrations with we 9.3

[michaels mail via Talk]

Hi Jed i get this happen all the time with windows 10 and WE 9.3.
I think other folk are having same problem.
I can tab on a web page and we stops talking and as you say arrows stop 
working as well.

Cheers Michael.

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From: Jed Barton via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 2:37 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: frustrations with we 9.3

Guys,
I have to be 100 percent honest, having just installed we 9.3, this is
by far the slowest version of we i have ever used.  To say it's slow is
a huge under-statement.  I literally have a web page, that is all text
based, and we isn't even reading it propperly.  I'm literally arrowing
up and down a web page, and i'm hearing nothing.  Has anyone else
experienced problems like this?  I'm really beginning to think that this
computer may not be physically able to handle it. This is a win 7
machine with 4 gigs of ram.  It's about 4 years old.  I almost feel like
i've taken a step backwards.  Any thoughts on why we wouldn't be reading
this page.  I can tab around, but i see no text.
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RE: App Get

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

Press windows-r and type:
%wineyes%\appget.wepm
And press enter.
Tab to install and press enter again.
Chris


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-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Smith, Veronica via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 3:38 PM
To: Michael Massey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: RE: App Get

Speaking of App Get, on my computer at home, no such beast exists.  How can I 
get it? V

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+veronica.smith=aps@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Michael Massey via Talk
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 4:56 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: App Get

Hi.  Just a few minutes ago, I turned on both my laptop and desktop
computers, both running Windows 10.  After the laptop booted up and
Window-eyes 9.3.1 launched, I was notified of an update available.  So I
installed it.  Yet when I check the installed updates in the add or remove
dialog, there is no update showing as being installed today.  When I checked
the package manager to determine which updates are running, I hear that the
app get update is version 1.2.5, but the apps shown as running display a
version number 1.2.4.  Could somebody please tell me why the app get version
numbers don't match?  And can somebody tell me which update was installed on
my laptop after I am certain I heard the tone notifying me of an update and
an update downloaded and installed?  

 

Mike M. 

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Re: Interesting fb post

[Matthew Chao via Talk]

I've read it since 1960, and still love it.--Matt.



On 1/11/2016 2:58 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

I've read it since 1958.  Pam.

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Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 2:05 PM
To: bj colt ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Interesting fb post

hmmm, you can't do poetry or a play in synthesized speech, Braille is
essential for that or hearing a dramatic reading, but sometimes you need
both.  I would not be without Braille.  I have read it for more than 60
years.


bj colt via Talk  wrote:


Hi Terry,

While I did read braille, speech has overtaken that method of
reading. When I did my Hon BA Social science course. I read hundreds
of books. I mean hundreds. I scanned in every single one of
them. Reading them in braille would have taken me abgout 40 years. My
fingertip senses have reduced dramatically because of playing the
guitar and neuropathy from Diabetes.

I could never go back to braille. At one time I did read 60 words a
minute. Which isn't fast, maybe between mid and high but not
fast. Some people could read it fast. However for the deaf bllind
1,000 dollars is something else. Or for those who prefer
braille. About time the price was brought down. Rip off bastards.lol

Live long and prosper, John

--
From: "Terry Bartlett via Talk" 
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 5:29 PM
To: "talk list" 
Subject: Interesting fb post

> Today, blind people fluent in Braille can read computer screens s
>
>
> through refreshable displays that convert words to raised dots – but
>
>
> only one line at a time.
>
> For the sighted, imagine a Kindle that presents just 40 characters per
>
>
> page, says Sile O’Modhrain, an associate professor of Music, Theatre
>
>
> and Dance at U-M, who is blind. Forty characters amounts to about 10
>
>
> words.
>
> The process is slow. It doesn’t give context. It’s expensive. And
>
>
> O’Modhrain believes it's one of the factors contributing to Braille’s
>
>
> declining use. Even though fluency in the nearly 200-year-old code is
>
>
> linked with higher employment and academic performance for the
>
>
> visually impaired, fewer blind people are learning and using it.
>
>
> Taking Braille’s place are text-to-speech programs that make it easier
>
>
> and faster to consume electronic information, but at the same time,
>
>
> hold back literacy.
>
> So O’Modhrain, who is also in the School of Information, has teamed up
>
>
> with engineering researchers to build a better Braille display – one
>
>
> that could show the equivalent of a whole Kindle screen at once. In
>
>
> addition, it could translate beyond text, rendering graphs, charts,
>
>
> spreadsheets, maps and complicated equations in a medium the blind
>
>
> could more fully understand with their fingertips.
>
> “What we’re trying to build in this project is full-page tactile
>
>
> screen for something like a Kindle or an iPad where you could just
>
>
> display refreshable text in real time,” O’Modhrain said. “Relative to
>
>
> what’s done today, and how that’s done, it’s a complete paradigm
>
>
> shift.”
>
> In the 1950s, about half of blind children learned to read Braille,
>
>
> according to the National Federation of the Blind. Today, that number
>
>
> is just 10 percent. Yet 80 percent of the blind people who are
>
>
> employed know Braille. Those numbers don’t tell the whole story, as
>
>
> definitions and health outcomes have evolved over the years. But the
>
>
> trend they suggest is real.
>
> “When you’re learning to read and write, it’s hard to find a
>
>
> substitute for physically encounter text – whether it’s in visual or
>
>
> tactile form,” O’Modhrain said. ”There are many studies that show that
>
>
> listening to something is not the same as reading it.”
>
> The system she is developing with Brent Gillespie, an associate
>
>
> professor of mechanical engineering, and Alex Russomanno, a doctoral
>
>
> student in the same department, would make e-reading for the blind
>
>
> more efficient and a lot less expensive. Today’s commercial one-line
>
>
> Braille displays cost around $5,000. If you were to directly scale up
>
>
> the mechanism behind it to show a whole page, it would cost around
>
>
> $50,000, Russomanno says. The U-M researchers’ aim to offer that
>
>
> capability at just $1,000 per device.
>
> How can they make a bigger display at a fraction of the cost? Their
>
>
> answer is microfluidics – a branch of science and engineering that
>
>
> involves specially etched chips with tiny channels that guide flows
>
>
> of liquid or air. Microfluidic chips are modeled and made like the
>
>
> integrated circuits of computers. They are printed rather than
>
>
> assembled.
>
> “We use the equivalent of electronic logic and circuitry,” Russomanno
>
>
> said. “When I say that, I’m referring to the way a computer works,
>
>
> with transistors and 

RE: App Get

[Smith, Veronica via Talk]

Speaking of App Get, on my computer at home, no such beast exists.  How can I 
get it? V

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+veronica.smith=aps@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Michael Massey via Talk
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 4:56 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: App Get

Hi.  Just a few minutes ago, I turned on both my laptop and desktop
computers, both running Windows 10.  After the laptop booted up and
Window-eyes 9.3.1 launched, I was notified of an update available.  So I
installed it.  Yet when I check the installed updates in the add or remove
dialog, there is no update showing as being installed today.  When I checked
the package manager to determine which updates are running, I hear that the
app get update is version 1.2.5, but the apps shown as running display a
version number 1.2.4.  Could somebody please tell me why the app get version
numbers don't match?  And can somebody tell me which update was installed on
my laptop after I am certain I heard the tone notifying me of an update and
an update downloaded and installed?  

 

Mike M. 

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RE: auto language switching is window eyes 9.3.1

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

Auto language only works with Eloquence and eSpeak.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 7:53 AM
To: 'drew clark' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: auto language switching is window eyes 9.3.1

Hi Drew,

The settings for this are found under Verbosity, Browse mode, and tab over
to the settings to change them to your liking.

Hth,

Rod

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Of drew clark via Talk
Sent: January 10, 2016 12:44 AM
To: Jeff Weiss ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: auto language switching is window eyes 9.3.1

Hi,
first, is this feature possible? and if yes,
how to enable it? i have installed vocalizer us english, uk english and 
arabic. and when encounter arabic text, i want wineyes to switch to 
arabic vocalizer from english vocalizer. Can it be done? thanks
window eyes 9.3.1
windows7 64 bit


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Re: UofMich Developing New Braille Display

[Matthew Chao via Talk]

Hi, Again, folks.  Sorry for the different signature on my last email, 
but thought this message came from the blind hams listserv. At any rate, 
as I said, aside from price, support long-term will be critical.  I had 
a VersaBraille II+ which cost $7,000 at the time. When TSI went belly 
up, so went my VersaBraille.--Matthew Chao




On 1/11/2016 3:20 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Hi:
Nicole Casal Moore out of the University of Michigan,
Michigan Engineering
Is working on a fluidic braille display to display several lines of braille,
graphs etc using fluidic technology.
They plan the cost to be around $1000 which is less expensive than other
displays out there from what I heard.
This might be helpful for those of you who can read braille and use things
like braille math in your jobs.
I don't know braille but thought I would let you know something new and
possibly affordable may be on the horizon.
Anyway, just a heads up for anyone watching such technologies in case
thinking of using or creating for it.
Rick USA
Rick USA
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  



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Re: UofMich Developing New Braille Display

[Matthew Chao via Talk]

Sounds great if they can pull it off.  Then there's this issue of 
long-term support - remember the VersaBraille?--Matt, n1ibb.




On 1/11/2016 3:20 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Hi:
Nicole Casal Moore out of the University of Michigan,
Michigan Engineering
Is working on a fluidic braille display to display several lines of braille,
graphs etc using fluidic technology.
They plan the cost to be around $1000 which is less expensive than other
displays out there from what I heard.
This might be helpful for those of you who can read braille and use things
like braille math in your jobs.
I don't know braille but thought I would let you know something new and
possibly affordable may be on the horizon.
Anyway, just a heads up for anyone watching such technologies in case
thinking of using or creating for it.
Rick USA
Rick USA
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  



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RE: question about funtion keys.

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

Correct,
Some laptops include a utility that allows you to toggle the state without 
going into bios.

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-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of michaels mail via Talk
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 5:49 AM
To: window eyes help list 
Subject: question about funtion keys.

   Hi guys i have just brought a new hp laptop and i want to turn off the 
function  key so i dont  have to press the function key before i press a f 
function key firs.
What i read was you must do it in bios i don’t think we will let me change that.
cheers Michael.
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RE: UofMich Developing New Braille Display

[Don Mauck via Talk]

Where did you come across this?

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From: Rick Thomas via Talk [mailto:talk@lists.window-eyes.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 1:21 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: UofMich Developing New Braille Display

Hi: 
Nicole Casal Moore out of the University of Michigan, 
Michigan Engineering 
Is working on a fluidic braille display to display several lines of braille,
graphs etc using fluidic technology.
They plan the cost to be around $1000 which is less expensive than other
displays out there from what I heard.
This might be helpful for those of you who can read braille and use things
like braille math in your jobs.
I don't know braille but thought I would let you know something new and
possibly affordable may be on the horizon.
Anyway, just a heads up for anyone watching such technologies in case
thinking of using or creating for it.
Rick USA
Rick USA
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Interesting fb post

[Terry Bartlett via Talk]

Today, blind people fluent in Braille can read computer screens s


through refreshable displays that convert words to raised dots – but


only one line at a time.

For the sighted, imagine a Kindle that presents just 40 characters per


page, says Sile O’Modhrain, an associate professor of Music, Theatre


and Dance at U-M, who is blind. Forty characters amounts to about 10


words.

The process is slow. It doesn’t give context. It’s expensive. And


O’Modhrain believes it's one of the factors contributing to Braille’s


declining use. Even though fluency in the nearly 200-year-old code is


linked with higher employment and academic performance for the


visually impaired, fewer blind people are learning and using it.


Taking Braille’s place are text-to-speech programs that make it easier


and faster to consume electronic information, but at the same time,


hold back literacy.

So O’Modhrain, who is also in the School of Information, has teamed up


with engineering researchers to build a better Braille display – one


that could show the equivalent of a whole Kindle screen at once. In


addition, it could translate beyond text, rendering graphs, charts,


spreadsheets, maps and complicated equations in a medium the blind


could more fully understand with their fingertips.

“What we’re trying to build in this project is full-page tactile


screen for something like a Kindle or an iPad where you could just


display refreshable text in real time,” O’Modhrain said. “Relative to


what’s done today, and how that’s done, it’s a complete paradigm


shift.”

In the 1950s, about half of blind children learned to read Braille,


according to the National Federation of the Blind. Today, that number


is just 10 percent. Yet 80 percent of the blind people who are


employed know Braille. Those numbers don’t tell the whole story, as


definitions and health outcomes have evolved over the years. But the


trend they suggest is real.

“When you’re learning to read and write, it’s hard to find a


substitute for physically encounter text – whether it’s in visual or


tactile form,” O’Modhrain said. ”There are many studies that show that


listening to something is not the same as reading it.”

The system she is developing with Brent Gillespie, an associate


professor of mechanical engineering, and Alex Russomanno, a doctoral


student in the same department, would make e-reading for the blind


more efficient and a lot less expensive. Today’s commercial one-line


Braille displays cost around $5,000. If you were to directly scale up


the mechanism behind it to show a whole page, it would cost around


$50,000, Russomanno says. The U-M researchers’ aim to offer that


capability at just $1,000 per device.

How can they make a bigger display at a fraction of the cost? Their


answer is microfluidics – a branch of science and engineering that


involves specially etched chips with tiny channels that guide flows


of liquid or air. Microfluidic chips are modeled and made like the


integrated circuits of computers. They are printed rather than


assembled.

“We use the equivalent of electronic logic and circuitry,” Russomanno


said. “When I say that, I’m referring to the way a computer works,


with transistors and resistors, except ours is not electronic at all.


It’s fluidic. Instead of high voltage and low voltage you have high


pressure and low pressure, and instead of electric current flow you


have fluid flow and you can achieve the same basic logic features.”

And like the 0s and 1s that undergird computing, Braille is a binary


code. Each Braille cell (which is sometimes a letter and sometimes a


whole word) contains six dots that can be either raised or flat to


convey different information.

Michigan engineers have developed technology that may soon lead to a


refreshable braille tablet the size of a Kindle.

“The dots are either there or they’re not,” O’Modhrain said. “That’s


why this circuit is so elegant.”

With just two input valves, the researchers are able to generate more


than 50 different dot states. The valves move fluid that controls tiny


bubbles that raise or lower dots.

At this point, they've shown that they can drive the dots with


bubbles, and that they can print a microfluidic device that could let


them efficiently control those bubbles. Over the next year, they'll be


working to integrate the two and produce a larger prototype.

"We would like to think a device like this would make reading


electronic Braille more attractive again, make it close to the


experience of reading a traditional book," O'Modhrain said. "Another


challenge is convincing educational authorities to teach Braille


again. It has dropped out of the system in terms of the education of


blind people and we think it’s important to bring Braille back."

About Michigan Engineering: The University of Michigan College of


Engineering is one of the top engineering schools in the country.


Eight 

RE: Firefox and Thunderbird are now mouse accessible

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

Hi,
Turn off autoload of browse mode with insert-a.
Turn off browse mode with control-shift-a.
Press control-l and type about:config and press enter.
Chris


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-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 9:57 AM
To: manny ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Firefox and Thunderbird are now mouse accessible

Hi Many:

How were you able to get Firefox to go into About:config mode?
Kevin Huber


On 1/9/16, manny via Talk  wrote:
> Hi,
> Finally WE9.3 reads the screen with the numpad in firefox and Thunderbird.
> I no longer need to use firefox 3.0.
>
> However, I needed sighted help to get this accomplished.
> WE9.3 would crash firefox when entering
> about:config
> in the address edit box.
> I am using windows 7 with drivers and software and windows os
> up to date.
> Many thanks,
> Manny
>
> Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million clicks by forwarding my
> stand-up comedy performance to your friends, or Tweet or Facebook it. **
> ** ** ** ** **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** ** ** ** **
> computer specifications: Window Eyes 9.3, Dell xps420 Windows 7 home
> premium, with dual boot to windows 10, with 8 gb RAM, Intel q6600 quad
> core drivers and software updated automatically with Ninite and Driver
> Booster, which sighted assistance is needed, but other than that Driver
> Booster is a great program. Recommended software: Firefox, Thunderbird,
> Google Chrome, Winamp, Fritz 12, Chessbase 11, MS Office 2010 security:
> Microsoft security essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win Patrol, Roboform,
> Maintenance: C-cleaner, Ultra Defrag
> On 1/9/2016 12:31 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:
>> This surprises me John because you are using the same OS as I am.  Try
>> using the latest version of WE
>>
>> Apart from this, the only thing I can suggest is to go back into
>> Firefox and check the settings again.
>>
>> I am hoping to hear from someone who has tried it under W10.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Neville.
>>
>> On 9/01/2016 10:07 PM, john s via Talk wrote:
>>> Neville, I tried these steps and no go. I'm running Windows 7, 32 bit
>>> and WE 9.1.  With WE running, about:config wouldn't respond.  I had to
>>> exit WE and use NVDA to accomplish the steps.  But, no go.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> earlier, Neville via Talk, wrote:
 Hi Kevin,

 Following is a copy of a message I sent to the list a week or two ago
 regarding gaining access to the screen with the mouse while using
 Firefox and Thunderbird.

 The first  two modifications had been done previously on my system but
 with no improvement. It seems the third change makes the difference.

 Prior to the modifications, my W7 system suffered frequent Thunderbird
 crashes  but since the changes, no chrashes have been experienced.

 I would like to know if anyone using W10 has tried the below
 modifications and particullarly the results or lack of same.

 HTH
 Neville
 original message:


 Hi Listers,
 Using: W7 HP 32 bit, latest versions of WE, Firefox and Thunderbird

 Use the three steps below to make both Firefox and Thunderbird
 accessible with the mouse just like they used to be.  I was able to
 use WE to make the necessary changes  in Thunderbird but needed
 sighted assistance for Firefox.  For some reason WE kept loosing
 speech in the case of Firefox but maybe NVDA would work.

 A similar method has been around for a while but never had any success
 with it but these three steps really work.  In short, I was amazed
 with the change in mouse accessibility the alterations made.

 Hopefully, someone can come up with a method to make Chrome mouse
 accessible as well.

 Unfortunately it is not known for sure whether this technique will
 work as well under W8 and W10 as it does under W7 32 and 64 bit. If
 you do try it under W8 or W10, please inform the list of your results.
 i.e. Either positive or negative.

 HTH
 Neville.



 This is the three steps needed to fix the mouse cursor problem.

 The third step is the new one.  You do have to arrow down many times
 to find it.  A lot do seem to sound the same, so be careful you get
 the correct one to change.


 block quote
 1. Open the Configuration Editor. In Firefox, enter
 about:config
  in the address bar. In Thunderbird, go to the Tools menu and navigate
 to Options, Advanced, General, then Config Editor.
 2. Once in the Configuration editor, press TAB until you are in the
 list of options.
 3. Pressing UP or DOWN ARROW will move you between 

Re: Firefox and Thunderbird are now mouse accessible

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

bbHi Bryce:
The first thing you have to do when you get to the config page is you
have to activate the I Promise button, which tells Firefox that you
won't screw something up. Then you tab to a list of options, then you
set the options that were discribed in the message that was sent
earlier.
The problem is that, according to some list members who have tried it,
this method does not work in Windows 8.1 and Windows 10.
Kevin Huber


On 1/11/16, Brice Mijares via Talk  wrote:
> Then What do you do to enable mouse pointer functions?
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chris Grabowski via Talk" 
> To: "Kevin Huber" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion List"
> 
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 7:25 AM
> Subject: RE: Firefox and Thunderbird are now mouse accessible
>
>
> Hi,
> Turn off autoload of browse mode with insert-a.
> Turn off browse mode with control-shift-a.
> Press control-l and type about:config and press enter.
> Chris
>
>
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 9:57 AM
> To: manny ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> 
> Subject: Re: Firefox and Thunderbird are now mouse accessible
>
> Hi Many:
>
> How were you able to get Firefox to go into About:config mode?
> Kevin Huber
>
>
> On 1/9/16, manny via Talk  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Finally WE9.3 reads the screen with the numpad in firefox and
>> Thunderbird.
>> I no longer need to use firefox 3.0.
>>
>> However, I needed sighted help to get this accomplished.
>> WE9.3 would crash firefox when entering
>> about:config
>> in the address edit box.
>> I am using windows 7 with drivers and software and windows os
>> up to date.
>> Many thanks,
>> Manny
>>
>> Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million clicks by forwarding my
>> stand-up comedy performance to your friends, or Tweet or Facebook it. **
>> ** ** ** ** **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** ** ** ** **
>> computer specifications: Window Eyes 9.3, Dell xps420 Windows 7 home
>> premium, with dual boot to windows 10, with 8 gb RAM, Intel q6600 quad
>> core drivers and software updated automatically with Ninite and Driver
>> Booster, which sighted assistance is needed, but other than that Driver
>> Booster is a great program. Recommended software: Firefox, Thunderbird,
>> Google Chrome, Winamp, Fritz 12, Chessbase 11, MS Office 2010 security:
>> Microsoft security essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win Patrol, Roboform,
>> Maintenance: C-cleaner, Ultra Defrag
>> On 1/9/2016 12:31 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:
>>> This surprises me John because you are using the same OS as I am.  Try
>>> using the latest version of WE
>>>
>>> Apart from this, the only thing I can suggest is to go back into
>>> Firefox and check the settings again.
>>>
>>> I am hoping to hear from someone who has tried it under W10.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Neville.
>>>
>>> On 9/01/2016 10:07 PM, john s via Talk wrote:
 Neville, I tried these steps and no go. I'm running Windows 7, 32 bit
 and WE 9.1.  With WE running, about:config wouldn't respond.  I had to
 exit WE and use NVDA to accomplish the steps.  But, no go.



 earlier, Neville via Talk, wrote:
> Hi Kevin,
>
> Following is a copy of a message I sent to the list a week or two ago
> regarding gaining access to the screen with the mouse while using
> Firefox and Thunderbird.
>
> The first  two modifications had been done previously on my system but
> with no improvement. It seems the third change makes the difference.
>
> Prior to the modifications, my W7 system suffered frequent Thunderbird
> crashes  but since the changes, no chrashes have been experienced.
>
> I would like to know if anyone using W10 has tried the below
> modifications and particullarly the results or lack of same.
>
> HTH
> Neville
> original message:
>
>
> Hi Listers,
> Using: W7 HP 32 bit, latest versions of WE, Firefox and Thunderbird
>
> Use the three steps below to make both Firefox and Thunderbird
> accessible with the mouse just like they used to be.  I was able to
> use WE to make the necessary changes  in Thunderbird but needed
> sighted assistance for Firefox.  For some reason WE kept loosing
> speech in the case of Firefox but maybe NVDA would work.
>
> A similar method has been around for a while but never had any success
> with it but these three steps really work.  In short, I was amazed
> with the change in mouse accessibility the alterations made.
>
> Hopefully, someone can come up 

Re: Firefox and Thunderbird are now mouse accessible

[Mike Rogers via Talk]

Hi Chris.  I used your mystic address, but don't know if you are using it 
anymore.  Becky is leaving out some words, at the end of messages, when I read 
them.  If I hit the systems key, then "X" it reads correctly.  Do you know what 
is causing this?  It's a new problem.

Mike



www.harmonicaworkshops.com
www.woodeneyemusic.com


On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 15:25:48 +
Chris Grabowski via Talk  wrote:

> Hi,
> Turn off autoload of browse mode with insert-a.
> Turn off browse mode with control-shift-a.
> Press control-l and type about:config and press enter.
> Chris
> 
> 
> Window-Eyes Product Support
> Ai Squared
> 725 Airport North Office Park
> Fort Wayne, IN 46825
> (802) 362-3612
> www.aisquared.com
>  
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 9:57 AM
> To: manny ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> 
> Subject: Re: Firefox and Thunderbird are now mouse accessible
> 
> Hi Many:
> 
> How were you able to get Firefox to go into About:config mode?
> Kevin Huber
> 
> 
> On 1/9/16, manny via Talk  wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Finally WE9.3 reads the screen with the numpad in firefox and Thunderbird.
> > I no longer need to use firefox 3.0.
> >
> > However, I needed sighted help to get this accomplished.
> > WE9.3 would crash firefox when entering
> > about:config
> > in the address edit box.
> > I am using windows 7 with drivers and software and windows os
> > up to date.
> > Many thanks,
> > Manny
> >
> > Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million clicks by forwarding my
> > stand-up comedy performance to your friends, or Tweet or Facebook it. **
> > ** ** ** ** **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** ** ** ** **
> > computer specifications: Window Eyes 9.3, Dell xps420 Windows 7 home
> > premium, with dual boot to windows 10, with 8 gb RAM, Intel q6600 quad
> > core drivers and software updated automatically with Ninite and Driver
> > Booster, which sighted assistance is needed, but other than that Driver
> > Booster is a great program. Recommended software: Firefox, Thunderbird,
> > Google Chrome, Winamp, Fritz 12, Chessbase 11, MS Office 2010 security:
> > Microsoft security essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win Patrol, Roboform,
> > Maintenance: C-cleaner, Ultra Defrag
> > On 1/9/2016 12:31 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:
> >> This surprises me John because you are using the same OS as I am.  Try
> >> using the latest version of WE
> >>
> >> Apart from this, the only thing I can suggest is to go back into
> >> Firefox and check the settings again.
> >>
> >> I am hoping to hear from someone who has tried it under W10.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Neville.
> >>
> >> On 9/01/2016 10:07 PM, john s via Talk wrote:
> >>> Neville, I tried these steps and no go. I'm running Windows 7, 32 bit
> >>> and WE 9.1.  With WE running, about:config wouldn't respond.  I had to
> >>> exit WE and use NVDA to accomplish the steps.  But, no go.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> earlier, Neville via Talk, wrote:
>  Hi Kevin,
> 
>  Following is a copy of a message I sent to the list a week or two ago
>  regarding gaining access to the screen with the mouse while using
>  Firefox and Thunderbird.
> 
>  The first  two modifications had been done previously on my system but
>  with no improvement. It seems the third change makes the difference.
> 
>  Prior to the modifications, my W7 system suffered frequent Thunderbird
>  crashes  but since the changes, no chrashes have been experienced.
> 
>  I would like to know if anyone using W10 has tried the below
>  modifications and particullarly the results or lack of same.
> 
>  HTH
>  Neville
>  original message:
> 
> 
>  Hi Listers,
>  Using: W7 HP 32 bit, latest versions of WE, Firefox and Thunderbird
> 
>  Use the three steps below to make both Firefox and Thunderbird
>  accessible with the mouse just like they used to be.  I was able to
>  use WE to make the necessary changes  in Thunderbird but needed
>  sighted assistance for Firefox.  For some reason WE kept loosing
>  speech in the case of Firefox but maybe NVDA would work.
> 
>  A similar method has been around for a while but never had any success
>  with it but these three steps really work.  In short, I was amazed
>  with the change in mouse accessibility the alterations made.
> 
>  Hopefully, someone can come up with a method to make Chrome mouse
>  accessible as well.
> 
>  Unfortunately it is not known for sure whether this technique will
>  work as well under W8 and W10 as it does under W7 32 and 64 bit. If
>  you do try it under W8 or W10, please inform the list of your results.
>  i.e. Either positive or 

Re: Firefox and Thunderbird are now mouse accessible

[net bat via Talk]

but what is this mod suppose to do?
no one is saying so i don't know if the mod did anything on my win7 computer.

-Original Message- 
From: Kevin Huber via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 8:24 AM
To: Brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Firefox and Thunderbird are now mouse accessible

bbHi Bryce:
The first thing you have to do when you get to the config page is you
have to activate the I Promise button, which tells Firefox that you
won't screw something up. Then you tab to a list of options, then you
set the options that were discribed in the message that was sent
earlier.
The problem is that, according to some list members who have tried it,
this method does not work in Windows 8.1 and Windows 10.
Kevin Huber


On 1/11/16, Brice Mijares via Talk  wrote:

Then What do you do to enable mouse pointer functions?
- Original Message -
From: "Chris Grabowski via Talk" 
To: "Kevin Huber" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion List"

Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 7:25 AM
Subject: RE: Firefox and Thunderbird are now mouse accessible


Hi,
Turn off autoload of browse mode with insert-a.
Turn off browse mode with control-shift-a.
Press control-l and type about:config and press enter.
Chris


Window-Eyes Product Support
Ai Squared
725 Airport North Office Park
Fort Wayne, IN 46825
(802) 362-3612
www.aisquared.com



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 9:57 AM
To: manny ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Firefox and Thunderbird are now mouse accessible

Hi Many:

How were you able to get Firefox to go into About:config mode?
Kevin Huber


On 1/9/16, manny via Talk  wrote:

Hi,
Finally WE9.3 reads the screen with the numpad in firefox and
Thunderbird.
I no longer need to use firefox 3.0.

However, I needed sighted help to get this accomplished.
WE9.3 would crash firefox when entering
about:config
in the address edit box.
I am using windows 7 with drivers and software and windows os
up to date.
Many thanks,
Manny

Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million clicks by forwarding my
stand-up comedy performance to your friends, or Tweet or Facebook it. **
** ** ** ** **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** ** ** ** **
computer specifications: Window Eyes 9.3, Dell xps420 Windows 7 home
premium, with dual boot to windows 10, with 8 gb RAM, Intel q6600 quad
core drivers and software updated automatically with Ninite and Driver
Booster, which sighted assistance is needed, but other than that Driver
Booster is a great program. Recommended software: Firefox, Thunderbird,
Google Chrome, Winamp, Fritz 12, Chessbase 11, MS Office 2010 security:
Microsoft security essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win Patrol, Roboform,
Maintenance: C-cleaner, Ultra Defrag
On 1/9/2016 12:31 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:

This surprises me John because you are using the same OS as I am.  Try
using the latest version of WE

Apart from this, the only thing I can suggest is to go back into
Firefox and check the settings again.

I am hoping to hear from someone who has tried it under W10.

Cheers
Neville.

On 9/01/2016 10:07 PM, john s via Talk wrote:

Neville, I tried these steps and no go. I'm running Windows 7, 32 bit
and WE 9.1.  With WE running, about:config wouldn't respond.  I had to
exit WE and use NVDA to accomplish the steps.  But, no go.



earlier, Neville via Talk, wrote:

Hi Kevin,

Following is a copy of a message I sent to the list a week or two ago
regarding gaining access to the screen with the mouse while using
Firefox and Thunderbird.

The first  two modifications had been done previously on my system but
with no improvement. It seems the third change makes the difference.

Prior to the modifications, my W7 system suffered frequent Thunderbird
crashes  but since the changes, no chrashes have been experienced.

I would like to know if anyone using W10 has tried the below
modifications and particullarly the results or lack of same.

HTH
Neville
original message:


Hi Listers,
Using: W7 HP 32 bit, latest versions of WE, Firefox and Thunderbird

Use the three steps below to make both Firefox and Thunderbird
accessible with the mouse just like they used to be.  I was able to
use WE to make the necessary changes  in Thunderbird but needed
sighted assistance for Firefox.  For some reason WE kept loosing
speech in the case of Firefox but maybe NVDA would work.

A similar method has been around for a while but never had any success
with it but these three steps really work.  In short, I was amazed
with the change in mouse accessibility the alterations made.

Hopefully, someone can come up with a method to make Chrome mouse
accessible as well.

Unfortunately it is not known for 

Re: Firefox and Thunderbird are now mouse accessible

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Many:

How were you able to get Firefox to go into About:config mode?
Kevin Huber


On 1/9/16, manny via Talk  wrote:
> Hi,
> Finally WE9.3 reads the screen with the numpad in firefox and Thunderbird.
> I no longer need to use firefox 3.0.
>
> However, I needed sighted help to get this accomplished.
> WE9.3 would crash firefox when entering
> about:config
> in the address edit box.
> I am using windows 7 with drivers and software and windows os
> up to date.
> Many thanks,
> Manny
>
> Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million clicks by forwarding my
> stand-up comedy performance to your friends, or Tweet or Facebook it. **
> ** ** ** ** **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** ** ** ** **
> computer specifications: Window Eyes 9.3, Dell xps420 Windows 7 home
> premium, with dual boot to windows 10, with 8 gb RAM, Intel q6600 quad
> core drivers and software updated automatically with Ninite and Driver
> Booster, which sighted assistance is needed, but other than that Driver
> Booster is a great program. Recommended software: Firefox, Thunderbird,
> Google Chrome, Winamp, Fritz 12, Chessbase 11, MS Office 2010 security:
> Microsoft security essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win Patrol, Roboform,
> Maintenance: C-cleaner, Ultra Defrag
> On 1/9/2016 12:31 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:
>> This surprises me John because you are using the same OS as I am.  Try
>> using the latest version of WE
>>
>> Apart from this, the only thing I can suggest is to go back into
>> Firefox and check the settings again.
>>
>> I am hoping to hear from someone who has tried it under W10.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Neville.
>>
>> On 9/01/2016 10:07 PM, john s via Talk wrote:
>>> Neville, I tried these steps and no go. I'm running Windows 7, 32 bit
>>> and WE 9.1.  With WE running, about:config wouldn't respond.  I had to
>>> exit WE and use NVDA to accomplish the steps.  But, no go.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> earlier, Neville via Talk, wrote:
 Hi Kevin,

 Following is a copy of a message I sent to the list a week or two ago
 regarding gaining access to the screen with the mouse while using
 Firefox and Thunderbird.

 The first  two modifications had been done previously on my system but
 with no improvement. It seems the third change makes the difference.

 Prior to the modifications, my W7 system suffered frequent Thunderbird
 crashes  but since the changes, no chrashes have been experienced.

 I would like to know if anyone using W10 has tried the below
 modifications and particullarly the results or lack of same.

 HTH
 Neville
 original message:


 Hi Listers,
 Using: W7 HP 32 bit, latest versions of WE, Firefox and Thunderbird

 Use the three steps below to make both Firefox and Thunderbird
 accessible with the mouse just like they used to be.  I was able to
 use WE to make the necessary changes  in Thunderbird but needed
 sighted assistance for Firefox.  For some reason WE kept loosing
 speech in the case of Firefox but maybe NVDA would work.

 A similar method has been around for a while but never had any success
 with it but these three steps really work.  In short, I was amazed
 with the change in mouse accessibility the alterations made.

 Hopefully, someone can come up with a method to make Chrome mouse
 accessible as well.

 Unfortunately it is not known for sure whether this technique will
 work as well under W8 and W10 as it does under W7 32 and 64 bit. If
 you do try it under W8 or W10, please inform the list of your results.
 i.e. Either positive or negative.

 HTH
 Neville.



 This is the three steps needed to fix the mouse cursor problem.

 The third step is the new one.  You do have to arrow down many times
 to find it.  A lot do seem to sound the same, so be careful you get
 the correct one to change.


 block quote
 1. Open the Configuration Editor. In Firefox, enter
 about:config
  in the address bar. In Thunderbird, go to the Tools menu and navigate
 to Options, Advanced, General, then Config Editor.
 2. Once in the Configuration editor, press TAB until you are in the
 list of options.
 3. Pressing UP or DOWN ARROW will move you between options or typing
 the first few letters of an option's name will move you to a specific
 option in the

 list.
 the following are entries to search for:

 gfx.direct2d.disabled
 if the boolean value is set to false, press the enter key to toggle the
 value to true.

 layers.acceleration.disabled
 if the boolean value is set to false, press the enter key to toggle the
 value to true.

 layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled
 if the boolean value is set to true, press the enter key to toggle the
 value to false.

 press control+w to close the 

Re: Firefox and Thunderbird are now mouse accessible

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Hi Kevin

Turn autoload and browse mode off, and type "about:config" into the
address bar.

-- 
Reg


On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 09:57:00 -0500
Kevin Huber via Talk  wrote:

> Hi Many:
> 
> How were you able to get Firefox to go into About:config mode?
> Kevin Huber
> 
> 
> On 1/9/16, manny via Talk  wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Finally WE9.3 reads the screen with the numpad in firefox and Thunderbird.
> > I no longer need to use firefox 3.0.
> >
> > However, I needed sighted help to get this accomplished.
> > WE9.3 would crash firefox when entering
> > about:config
> > in the address edit box.
> > I am using windows 7 with drivers and software and windows os
> > up to date.
> > Many thanks,
> > Manny
> >
> > Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million clicks by forwarding my
> > stand-up comedy performance to your friends, or Tweet or Facebook it. **
> > ** ** ** ** **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** ** ** ** **
> > computer specifications: Window Eyes 9.3, Dell xps420 Windows 7 home
> > premium, with dual boot to windows 10, with 8 gb RAM, Intel q6600 quad
> > core drivers and software updated automatically with Ninite and Driver
> > Booster, which sighted assistance is needed, but other than that Driver
> > Booster is a great program. Recommended software: Firefox, Thunderbird,
> > Google Chrome, Winamp, Fritz 12, Chessbase 11, MS Office 2010 security:
> > Microsoft security essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win Patrol, Roboform,
> > Maintenance: C-cleaner, Ultra Defrag
> > On 1/9/2016 12:31 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:
> >> This surprises me John because you are using the same OS as I am.  Try
> >> using the latest version of WE
> >>
> >> Apart from this, the only thing I can suggest is to go back into
> >> Firefox and check the settings again.
> >>
> >> I am hoping to hear from someone who has tried it under W10.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Neville.
> >>
> >> On 9/01/2016 10:07 PM, john s via Talk wrote:
> >>> Neville, I tried these steps and no go. I'm running Windows 7, 32 bit
> >>> and WE 9.1.  With WE running, about:config wouldn't respond.  I had to
> >>> exit WE and use NVDA to accomplish the steps.  But, no go.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> earlier, Neville via Talk, wrote:
>  Hi Kevin,
> 
>  Following is a copy of a message I sent to the list a week or two ago
>  regarding gaining access to the screen with the mouse while using
>  Firefox and Thunderbird.
> 
>  The first  two modifications had been done previously on my system but
>  with no improvement. It seems the third change makes the difference.
> 
>  Prior to the modifications, my W7 system suffered frequent Thunderbird
>  crashes  but since the changes, no chrashes have been experienced.
> 
>  I would like to know if anyone using W10 has tried the below
>  modifications and particullarly the results or lack of same.
> 
>  HTH
>  Neville
>  original message:
> 
> 
>  Hi Listers,
>  Using: W7 HP 32 bit, latest versions of WE, Firefox and Thunderbird
> 
>  Use the three steps below to make both Firefox and Thunderbird
>  accessible with the mouse just like they used to be.  I was able to
>  use WE to make the necessary changes  in Thunderbird but needed
>  sighted assistance for Firefox.  For some reason WE kept loosing
>  speech in the case of Firefox but maybe NVDA would work.
> 
>  A similar method has been around for a while but never had any success
>  with it but these three steps really work.  In short, I was amazed
>  with the change in mouse accessibility the alterations made.
> 
>  Hopefully, someone can come up with a method to make Chrome mouse
>  accessible as well.
> 
>  Unfortunately it is not known for sure whether this technique will
>  work as well under W8 and W10 as it does under W7 32 and 64 bit. If
>  you do try it under W8 or W10, please inform the list of your results.
>  i.e. Either positive or negative.
> 
>  HTH
>  Neville.
> 
> 
> 
>  This is the three steps needed to fix the mouse cursor problem.
> 
>  The third step is the new one.  You do have to arrow down many times
>  to find it.  A lot do seem to sound the same, so be careful you get
>  the correct one to change.
> 
> 
>  block quote
>  1. Open the Configuration Editor. In Firefox, enter
>  about:config
>   in the address bar. In Thunderbird, go to the Tools menu and navigate
>  to Options, Advanced, General, then Config Editor.
>  2. Once in the Configuration editor, press TAB until you are in the
>  list of options.
>  3. Pressing UP or DOWN ARROW will move you between options or typing
>  the first few letters of an option's name will move you to a specific
>  option in the
> 
>  list.
>  the following are entries to search for:

Re: Firefox and Thunderbird are now mouse accessible

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi:
I just followed the instrufctions and the mouse pointer now works in Firefox.
Thanks to the people who provided them.
Kevin Huber

On 1/11/16, Chris Grabowski via Talk  wrote:
> Hi Don,
> No,
> I was answering the question on how to get into about:config with
> Window-eyes.
> Looks like these changes are working for some and not others.  I have never
> gotten them to work past Windows 8.1.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
>
> Window-Eyes Product Support
> Ai Squared
> 725 Airport North Office Park
> Fort Wayne, IN 46825
> (802) 362-3612
> www.aisquared.com
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Don H [mailto:lmdd...@comcast.net]
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 10:28 AM
> To: Chris Grabowski 
> Subject: Re: Firefox and Thunderbird are now mouse accessible
>
> Are you saying that these changes make mouse keys work with latest
> versions of TB and firefox on windows 10?  Doesn't work here.
>
> On 1/11/2016 9:25 AM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Turn off autoload of browse mode with insert-a.
>> Turn off browse mode with control-shift-a.
>> Press control-l and type about:config and press enter.
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> Window-Eyes Product Support
>> Ai Squared
>> 725 Airport North Office Park
>> Fort Wayne, IN 46825
>> (802) 362-3612
>> www.aisquared.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 9:57 AM
>> To: manny ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> 
>> Subject: Re: Firefox and Thunderbird are now mouse accessible
>>
>> Hi Many:
>>
>> How were you able to get Firefox to go into About:config mode?
>> Kevin Huber
>>
>>
>> On 1/9/16, manny via Talk  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Finally WE9.3 reads the screen with the numpad in firefox and
>>> Thunderbird.
>>> I no longer need to use firefox 3.0.
>>>
>>> However, I needed sighted help to get this accomplished.
>>> WE9.3 would crash firefox when entering
>>> about:config
>>> in the address edit box.
>>> I am using windows 7 with drivers and software and windows os
>>> up to date.
>>> Many thanks,
>>> Manny
>>>
>>> Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million clicks by forwarding my
>>> stand-up comedy performance to your friends, or Tweet or Facebook it. **
>>> ** ** ** ** **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** ** ** ** **
>>> computer specifications: Window Eyes 9.3, Dell xps420 Windows 7 home
>>> premium, with dual boot to windows 10, with 8 gb RAM, Intel q6600 quad
>>> core drivers and software updated automatically with Ninite and Driver
>>> Booster, which sighted assistance is needed, but other than that Driver
>>> Booster is a great program. Recommended software: Firefox, Thunderbird,
>>> Google Chrome, Winamp, Fritz 12, Chessbase 11, MS Office 2010 security:
>>> Microsoft security essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win Patrol, Roboform,
>>> Maintenance: C-cleaner, Ultra Defrag
>>> On 1/9/2016 12:31 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:
 This surprises me John because you are using the same OS as I am.  Try
 using the latest version of WE

 Apart from this, the only thing I can suggest is to go back into
 Firefox and check the settings again.

 I am hoping to hear from someone who has tried it under W10.

 Cheers
 Neville.

 On 9/01/2016 10:07 PM, john s via Talk wrote:
> Neville, I tried these steps and no go. I'm running Windows 7, 32 bit
> and WE 9.1.  With WE running, about:config wouldn't respond.  I had to
> exit WE and use NVDA to accomplish the steps.  But, no go.
>
>
>
> earlier, Neville via Talk, wrote:
>> Hi Kevin,
>>
>> Following is a copy of a message I sent to the list a week or two ago
>> regarding gaining access to the screen with the mouse while using
>> Firefox and Thunderbird.
>>
>> The first  two modifications had been done previously on my system
>> but
>> with no improvement. It seems the third change makes the difference.
>>
>> Prior to the modifications, my W7 system suffered frequent
>> Thunderbird
>> crashes  but since the changes, no chrashes have been experienced.
>>
>> I would like to know if anyone using W10 has tried the below
>> modifications and particullarly the results or lack of same.
>>
>> HTH
>> Neville
>> original message:
>>
>>
>> Hi Listers,
>> Using: W7 HP 32 bit, latest versions of WE, Firefox and Thunderbird
>>
>> Use the three steps below to make both Firefox and Thunderbird
>> accessible with the mouse just like they used to be.  I was able to
>> use WE to make the necessary changes  in Thunderbird but needed
>> sighted assistance for Firefox.  For some reason WE kept loosing
>> speech in the case of Firefox but maybe NVDA would work.
>>
>> A 

Re: Firefox and Thunderbird are now mouse accessible

[Brice Mijares via Talk]

Then What do you do to enable mouse pointer functions?
- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Grabowski via Talk" 
To: "Kevin Huber" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 


Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 7:25 AM
Subject: RE: Firefox and Thunderbird are now mouse accessible


Hi,
Turn off autoload of browse mode with insert-a.
Turn off browse mode with control-shift-a.
Press control-l and type about:config and press enter.
Chris


Window-Eyes Product Support
Ai Squared
725 Airport North Office Park
Fort Wayne, IN 46825
(802) 362-3612
www.aisquared.com



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 9:57 AM
To: manny ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 


Subject: Re: Firefox and Thunderbird are now mouse accessible

Hi Many:

How were you able to get Firefox to go into About:config mode?
Kevin Huber


On 1/9/16, manny via Talk  wrote:

Hi,
Finally WE9.3 reads the screen with the numpad in firefox and Thunderbird.
I no longer need to use firefox 3.0.

However, I needed sighted help to get this accomplished.
WE9.3 would crash firefox when entering
about:config
in the address edit box.
I am using windows 7 with drivers and software and windows os
up to date.
Many thanks,
Manny

Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million clicks by forwarding my
stand-up comedy performance to your friends, or Tweet or Facebook it. **
** ** ** ** **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** ** ** ** **
computer specifications: Window Eyes 9.3, Dell xps420 Windows 7 home
premium, with dual boot to windows 10, with 8 gb RAM, Intel q6600 quad
core drivers and software updated automatically with Ninite and Driver
Booster, which sighted assistance is needed, but other than that Driver
Booster is a great program. Recommended software: Firefox, Thunderbird,
Google Chrome, Winamp, Fritz 12, Chessbase 11, MS Office 2010 security:
Microsoft security essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win Patrol, Roboform,
Maintenance: C-cleaner, Ultra Defrag
On 1/9/2016 12:31 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:

This surprises me John because you are using the same OS as I am.  Try
using the latest version of WE

Apart from this, the only thing I can suggest is to go back into
Firefox and check the settings again.

I am hoping to hear from someone who has tried it under W10.

Cheers
Neville.

On 9/01/2016 10:07 PM, john s via Talk wrote:

Neville, I tried these steps and no go. I'm running Windows 7, 32 bit
and WE 9.1.  With WE running, about:config wouldn't respond.  I had to
exit WE and use NVDA to accomplish the steps.  But, no go.



earlier, Neville via Talk, wrote:

Hi Kevin,

Following is a copy of a message I sent to the list a week or two ago
regarding gaining access to the screen with the mouse while using
Firefox and Thunderbird.

The first  two modifications had been done previously on my system but
with no improvement. It seems the third change makes the difference.

Prior to the modifications, my W7 system suffered frequent Thunderbird
crashes  but since the changes, no chrashes have been experienced.

I would like to know if anyone using W10 has tried the below
modifications and particullarly the results or lack of same.

HTH
Neville
original message:


Hi Listers,
Using: W7 HP 32 bit, latest versions of WE, Firefox and Thunderbird

Use the three steps below to make both Firefox and Thunderbird
accessible with the mouse just like they used to be.  I was able to
use WE to make the necessary changes  in Thunderbird but needed
sighted assistance for Firefox.  For some reason WE kept loosing
speech in the case of Firefox but maybe NVDA would work.

A similar method has been around for a while but never had any success
with it but these three steps really work.  In short, I was amazed
with the change in mouse accessibility the alterations made.

Hopefully, someone can come up with a method to make Chrome mouse
accessible as well.

Unfortunately it is not known for sure whether this technique will
work as well under W8 and W10 as it does under W7 32 and 64 bit. If
you do try it under W8 or W10, please inform the list of your results.
i.e. Either positive or negative.

HTH
Neville.



This is the three steps needed to fix the mouse cursor problem.

The third step is the new one.  You do have to arrow down many times
to find it.  A lot do seem to sound the same, so be careful you get
the correct one to change.


block quote
1. Open the Configuration Editor. In Firefox, enter
about:config
 in the address bar. In Thunderbird, go to the Tools menu and navigate
to Options, Advanced, General, then Config Editor.
2. Once in the Configuration editor, press TAB until you are in the
list of options.
3. Pressing UP or DOWN ARROW will move you between options or typing
the first few 

Re: UofMich Developing New Braille Display

[Eden Kizer via Talk]

Yes this is correct for braille as well. If I use autoscroll, which I did not 
know worked in mail, then it works fine which is whatI will do from now on but 
not everyone is comfortable with autoscroll.

- Original Message -
From: Matthew Chao via Talk  
To: Rick Thomas  ,Window-Eyes Discussion List  

Date: Monday, January 11, 2016 4:59 am
Subject: Re: UofMich Developing New Braille Display

>
>
> Sounds great if they can pull it off.  Then there's this issue of 
> long-term support - remember the VersaBraille?-Matt, n1ibb.
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/11/2016 3:20 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:
> > Hi:
> > Nicole Casal Moore out of the University of Michigan,
> > Michigan Engineering
> > Is working on a fluidic braille display to display several lines of braille,
> > graphs etc using fluidic technology.
> > They plan the cost to be around $1000 which is less expensive than other
> > displays out there from what I heard.
> > This might be helpful for those of you who can read braille and use things
> > like braille math in your jobs.
> > I don't know braille but thought I would let you know something new and
> > possibly affordable may be on the horizon.
> > Anyway, just a heads up for anyone watching such technologies in case
> > thinking of using or creating for it.
> > Rick USA
> > Rick USA
> >   
> >   
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> >   
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RE: error after windows enhanced app update

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

Hi,
If you know the app in question.
1.  Press insert-7 until you hear app status off.
2.  go to the apps menu with alt-a.  Enter on app management.  Enter again on 
add or remove apps.
Arrow to the app that gave you an error and uninstall it. IE select it in the 
list and tab to remove.  Press enter and answer yes.
3.  Turn apps back on by pressing insert-7 until you hear app status on.

4.  Once apps are on, press windows-g for appget.
Press control-f for find.
Type in the name of the app you uninstalled and press enter twice.
This should reinstall the app.
Chris



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-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Stephen Thacker via Talk
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 11:16 PM
To: david pearson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: error after windows enhanced app update

Hi, I'm sure that's what I need to do (a system restore) but 
unless I can get narrator to work which I don't seem to be able 
to, sighted assistance will be needed and that's not so easy in 
my area. I'm using Windows 10 64 bit, so can someone remind me 
how to switch narrator on please?

Thanks, Steve
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RE: Firefox and Thunderbird are now mouse accessible

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

Hi Don,
No,
I was answering the question on how to get into about:config with Window-eyes.
Looks like these changes are working for some and not others.  I have never 
gotten them to work past Windows 8.1.

Thanks,
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-Original Message-
From: Don H [mailto:lmdd...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 10:28 AM
To: Chris Grabowski 
Subject: Re: Firefox and Thunderbird are now mouse accessible

Are you saying that these changes make mouse keys work with latest 
versions of TB and firefox on windows 10?  Doesn't work here.

On 1/11/2016 9:25 AM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:
> Hi,
> Turn off autoload of browse mode with insert-a.
> Turn off browse mode with control-shift-a.
> Press control-l and type about:config and press enter.
> Chris
>
>
> Window-Eyes Product Support
> Ai Squared
> 725 Airport North Office Park
> Fort Wayne, IN 46825
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>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 9:57 AM
> To: manny ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> 
> Subject: Re: Firefox and Thunderbird are now mouse accessible
>
> Hi Many:
>
> How were you able to get Firefox to go into About:config mode?
> Kevin Huber
>
>
> On 1/9/16, manny via Talk  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Finally WE9.3 reads the screen with the numpad in firefox and Thunderbird.
>> I no longer need to use firefox 3.0.
>>
>> However, I needed sighted help to get this accomplished.
>> WE9.3 would crash firefox when entering
>> about:config
>> in the address edit box.
>> I am using windows 7 with drivers and software and windows os
>> up to date.
>> Many thanks,
>> Manny
>>
>> Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million clicks by forwarding my
>> stand-up comedy performance to your friends, or Tweet or Facebook it. **
>> ** ** ** ** **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** ** ** ** **
>> computer specifications: Window Eyes 9.3, Dell xps420 Windows 7 home
>> premium, with dual boot to windows 10, with 8 gb RAM, Intel q6600 quad
>> core drivers and software updated automatically with Ninite and Driver
>> Booster, which sighted assistance is needed, but other than that Driver
>> Booster is a great program. Recommended software: Firefox, Thunderbird,
>> Google Chrome, Winamp, Fritz 12, Chessbase 11, MS Office 2010 security:
>> Microsoft security essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win Patrol, Roboform,
>> Maintenance: C-cleaner, Ultra Defrag
>> On 1/9/2016 12:31 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:
>>> This surprises me John because you are using the same OS as I am.  Try
>>> using the latest version of WE
>>>
>>> Apart from this, the only thing I can suggest is to go back into
>>> Firefox and check the settings again.
>>>
>>> I am hoping to hear from someone who has tried it under W10.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Neville.
>>>
>>> On 9/01/2016 10:07 PM, john s via Talk wrote:
 Neville, I tried these steps and no go. I'm running Windows 7, 32 bit
 and WE 9.1.  With WE running, about:config wouldn't respond.  I had to
 exit WE and use NVDA to accomplish the steps.  But, no go.



 earlier, Neville via Talk, wrote:
> Hi Kevin,
>
> Following is a copy of a message I sent to the list a week or two ago
> regarding gaining access to the screen with the mouse while using
> Firefox and Thunderbird.
>
> The first  two modifications had been done previously on my system but
> with no improvement. It seems the third change makes the difference.
>
> Prior to the modifications, my W7 system suffered frequent Thunderbird
> crashes  but since the changes, no chrashes have been experienced.
>
> I would like to know if anyone using W10 has tried the below
> modifications and particullarly the results or lack of same.
>
> HTH
> Neville
> original message:
>
>
> Hi Listers,
> Using: W7 HP 32 bit, latest versions of WE, Firefox and Thunderbird
>
> Use the three steps below to make both Firefox and Thunderbird
> accessible with the mouse just like they used to be.  I was able to
> use WE to make the necessary changes  in Thunderbird but needed
> sighted assistance for Firefox.  For some reason WE kept loosing
> speech in the case of Firefox but maybe NVDA would work.
>
> A similar method has been around for a while but never had any success
> with it but these three steps really work.  In short, I was amazed
> with the change in mouse accessibility the alterations made.
>
> Hopefully, someone can come up with a method to make Chrome mouse
> accessible as well.
>
> Unfortunately it is not known for sure whether this 

RE: BECKY!: html emails

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

This is correct, turn that setting on and Browse mode will come on for HTML 
emails.
Chris


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-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Martha via Talk
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 3:15 PM
To: via Talk 
Subject: BECKY!: html emails

Hi.

I am switching from XP with Outlook Express to Windows 10 with BECKY!

I get some emails that are a daily digest.  In Outlook Express, I am
able to use the "h" key to navigate headings.

In BECKY!, under General Settings, message tab, I see some options for
html view.
IShould I choose the option to use the I E component?  

What other settings might need to be changed to navigate within html
emails?

I have already made settings changes that were specified in the KB
article.

Thanks.

Martha


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RE: Firefox and Thunderbird are now mouse accessible

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

According to some, it is supposed to give you the ability to mouse around like 
version 30 and below.

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-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 11:38 AM
To: Kevin Huber ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Firefox and Thunderbird are now mouse accessible

but what is this mod suppose to do?
no one is saying so i don't know if the mod did anything on my win7 computer.

-Original Message- 
From: Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 8:24 AM
To: Brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Firefox and Thunderbird are now mouse accessible

bbHi Bryce:
The first thing you have to do when you get to the config page is you
have to activate the I Promise button, which tells Firefox that you
won't screw something up. Then you tab to a list of options, then you
set the options that were discribed in the message that was sent
earlier.
The problem is that, according to some list members who have tried it,
this method does not work in Windows 8.1 and Windows 10.
Kevin Huber


On 1/11/16, Brice Mijares via Talk  wrote:
> Then What do you do to enable mouse pointer functions?
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chris Grabowski via Talk" 
> To: "Kevin Huber" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion List"
> 
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 7:25 AM
> Subject: RE: Firefox and Thunderbird are now mouse accessible
>
>
> Hi,
> Turn off autoload of browse mode with insert-a.
> Turn off browse mode with control-shift-a.
> Press control-l and type about:config and press enter.
> Chris
>
>
> Window-Eyes Product Support
> Ai Squared
> 725 Airport North Office Park
> Fort Wayne, IN 46825
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>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 9:57 AM
> To: manny ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> 
> Subject: Re: Firefox and Thunderbird are now mouse accessible
>
> Hi Many:
>
> How were you able to get Firefox to go into About:config mode?
> Kevin Huber
>
>
> On 1/9/16, manny via Talk  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Finally WE9.3 reads the screen with the numpad in firefox and
>> Thunderbird.
>> I no longer need to use firefox 3.0.
>>
>> However, I needed sighted help to get this accomplished.
>> WE9.3 would crash firefox when entering
>> about:config
>> in the address edit box.
>> I am using windows 7 with drivers and software and windows os
>> up to date.
>> Many thanks,
>> Manny
>>
>> Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million clicks by forwarding my
>> stand-up comedy performance to your friends, or Tweet or Facebook it. **
>> ** ** ** ** **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** ** ** ** **
>> computer specifications: Window Eyes 9.3, Dell xps420 Windows 7 home
>> premium, with dual boot to windows 10, with 8 gb RAM, Intel q6600 quad
>> core drivers and software updated automatically with Ninite and Driver
>> Booster, which sighted assistance is needed, but other than that Driver
>> Booster is a great program. Recommended software: Firefox, Thunderbird,
>> Google Chrome, Winamp, Fritz 12, Chessbase 11, MS Office 2010 security:
>> Microsoft security essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win Patrol, Roboform,
>> Maintenance: C-cleaner, Ultra Defrag
>> On 1/9/2016 12:31 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:
>>> This surprises me John because you are using the same OS as I am.  Try
>>> using the latest version of WE
>>>
>>> Apart from this, the only thing I can suggest is to go back into
>>> Firefox and check the settings again.
>>>
>>> I am hoping to hear from someone who has tried it under W10.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Neville.
>>>
>>> On 9/01/2016 10:07 PM, john s via Talk wrote:
 Neville, I tried these steps and no go. I'm running Windows 7, 32 bit
 and WE 9.1.  With WE running, about:config wouldn't respond.  I had to
 exit WE and use NVDA to accomplish the steps.  But, no go.



 earlier, Neville via Talk, wrote:
> Hi Kevin,
>
> Following is a copy of a message I sent to the list a week or two ago
> regarding gaining access to the screen with the mouse while using
> Firefox and Thunderbird.
>
> The first  two modifications had been done previously on my system but
> with no improvement. It seems the third change makes the difference.
>
> Prior to the modifications, my W7 system suffered frequent Thunderbird
> crashes  but since the changes, no chrashes have been experienced.
>
> I would 

Re: Interesting fb post

[via Talk]

hmmm, you can't do poetry or a play in synthesized speech, Braille is
essential for that or hearing a dramatic reading, but sometimes you need
both.  I would not be without Braille.  I have read it for more than 60
years.


bj colt via Talk  wrote:

> Hi Terry,
> 
> While I did read braille, speech has overtaken that method of
> reading. When I did my Hon BA Social science course. I read hundreds
> of books. I mean hundreds. I scanned in every single one of
> them. Reading them in braille would have taken me abgout 40 years. My
> fingertip senses have reduced dramatically because of playing the
> guitar and neuropathy from Diabetes.
> 
> I could never go back to braille. At one time I did read 60 words a
> minute. Which isn't fast, maybe between mid and high but not
> fast. Some people could read it fast. However for the deaf bllind
> 1,000 dollars is something else. Or for those who prefer
> braille. About time the price was brought down. Rip off bastards.lol
> 
> Live long and prosper, John
> 
> --
> From: "Terry Bartlett via Talk" 
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 5:29 PM
> To: "talk list" 
> Subject: Interesting fb post
> 
> > Today, blind people fluent in Braille can read computer screens s
> >
> >
> > through refreshable displays that convert words to raised dots – but
> >
> >
> > only one line at a time.
> >
> > For the sighted, imagine a Kindle that presents just 40 characters per
> >
> >
> > page, says Sile O’Modhrain, an associate professor of Music, Theatre
> >
> >
> > and Dance at U-M, who is blind. Forty characters amounts to about 10
> >
> >
> > words.
> >
> > The process is slow. It doesn’t give context. It’s expensive. And
> >
> >
> > O’Modhrain believes it's one of the factors contributing to Braille’s
> >
> >
> > declining use. Even though fluency in the nearly 200-year-old code is
> >
> >
> > linked with higher employment and academic performance for the
> >
> >
> > visually impaired, fewer blind people are learning and using it.
> >
> >
> > Taking Braille’s place are text-to-speech programs that make it easier
> >
> >
> > and faster to consume electronic information, but at the same time,
> >
> >
> > hold back literacy.
> >
> > So O’Modhrain, who is also in the School of Information, has teamed up
> >
> >
> > with engineering researchers to build a better Braille display – one
> >
> >
> > that could show the equivalent of a whole Kindle screen at once. In
> >
> >
> > addition, it could translate beyond text, rendering graphs, charts,
> >
> >
> > spreadsheets, maps and complicated equations in a medium the blind
> >
> >
> > could more fully understand with their fingertips.
> >
> > “What we’re trying to build in this project is full-page tactile
> >
> >
> > screen for something like a Kindle or an iPad where you could just
> >
> >
> > display refreshable text in real time,” O’Modhrain said. “Relative to
> >
> >
> > what’s done today, and how that’s done, it’s a complete paradigm
> >
> >
> > shift.”
> >
> > In the 1950s, about half of blind children learned to read Braille,
> >
> >
> > according to the National Federation of the Blind. Today, that number
> >
> >
> > is just 10 percent. Yet 80 percent of the blind people who are
> >
> >
> > employed know Braille. Those numbers don’t tell the whole story, as
> >
> >
> > definitions and health outcomes have evolved over the years. But the
> >
> >
> > trend they suggest is real.
> >
> > “When you’re learning to read and write, it’s hard to find a
> >
> >
> > substitute for physically encounter text – whether it’s in visual or
> >
> >
> > tactile form,” O’Modhrain said. ”There are many studies that show that
> >
> >
> > listening to something is not the same as reading it.”
> >
> > The system she is developing with Brent Gillespie, an associate
> >
> >
> > professor of mechanical engineering, and Alex Russomanno, a doctoral
> >
> >
> > student in the same department, would make e-reading for the blind
> >
> >
> > more efficient and a lot less expensive. Today’s commercial one-line
> >
> >
> > Braille displays cost around $5,000. If you were to directly scale up
> >
> >
> > the mechanism behind it to show a whole page, it would cost around
> >
> >
> > $50,000, Russomanno says. The U-M researchers’ aim to offer that
> >
> >
> > capability at just $1,000 per device.
> >
> > How can they make a bigger display at a fraction of the cost? Their
> >
> >
> > answer is microfluidics – a branch of science and engineering that
> >
> >
> > involves specially etched chips with tiny channels that guide flows
> >
> >
> > of liquid or air. Microfluidic chips are modeled and made like the
> >
> >
> > integrated circuits of computers. They are printed rather than
> >
> >
> > assembled.
> >
> > “We use the equivalent of electronic logic and circuitry,” Russomanno
> >
> >
> > said. “When I say that, I’m referring to the way a 

RE: Interesting fb post

[Van Lant, Robin via Talk]

Fascinating.  I'm not proficient enough of a Braille reader to use Braille 
displays in lieu of speech, but I am a complete proponent of the literacy 
Braille brings to people in lieu of seeing the letters.  I cannot be 
profductive without Window-Eyes on my PC, but I still relish my ability to make 
out the printed words on my screen when I wish.  AS I lose more vision, I have 
thought A Braille display would be nice, but not at the current price tags.

 


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Terry Bartlett via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 10:29 AM
To: talk list
Subject: Interesting fb post

Today, blind people fluent in Braille can read computer screens s


through refreshable displays that convert words to raised dots – but


only one line at a time.

For the sighted, imagine a Kindle that presents just 40 characters per


page, says Sile O’Modhrain, an associate professor of Music, Theatre


and Dance at U-M, who is blind. Forty characters amounts to about 10


words.

The process is slow. It doesn’t give context. It’s expensive. And


O’Modhrain believes it's one of the factors contributing to Braille’s


declining use. Even though fluency in the nearly 200-year-old code is


linked with higher employment and academic performance for the


visually impaired, fewer blind people are learning and using it.


Taking Braille’s place are text-to-speech programs that make it easier


and faster to consume electronic information, but at the same time,


hold back literacy.

So O’Modhrain, who is also in the School of Information, has teamed up


with engineering researchers to build a better Braille display – one


that could show the equivalent of a whole Kindle screen at once. In


addition, it could translate beyond text, rendering graphs, charts,


spreadsheets, maps and complicated equations in a medium the blind


could more fully understand with their fingertips.

“What we’re trying to build in this project is full-page tactile


screen for something like a Kindle or an iPad where you could just


display refreshable text in real time,” O’Modhrain said. “Relative to


what’s done today, and how that’s done, it’s a complete paradigm


shift.”

In the 1950s, about half of blind children learned to read Braille,


according to the National Federation of the Blind. Today, that number


is just 10 percent. Yet 80 percent of the blind people who are


employed know Braille. Those numbers don’t tell the whole story, as


definitions and health outcomes have evolved over the years. But the


trend they suggest is real.

“When you’re learning to read and write, it’s hard to find a


substitute for physically encounter text – whether it’s in visual or


tactile form,” O’Modhrain said. ”There are many studies that show that


listening to something is not the same as reading it.”

The system she is developing with Brent Gillespie, an associate


professor of mechanical engineering, and Alex Russomanno, a doctoral


student in the same department, would make e-reading for the blind


more efficient and a lot less expensive. Today’s commercial one-line


Braille displays cost around $5,000. If you were to directly scale up


the mechanism behind it to show a whole page, it would cost around


$50,000, Russomanno says. The U-M researchers’ aim to offer that


capability at just $1,000 per device.

How can they make a bigger display at a fraction of the cost? Their


answer is microfluidics – a branch of science and engineering that


involves specially etched chips with tiny channels that guide flows


of liquid or air. Microfluidic chips are modeled and made like the


integrated circuits of computers. They are printed rather than


assembled.

“We use the equivalent of electronic logic and circuitry,” Russomanno


said. “When I say that, I’m referring to the way a computer works,


with transistors and resistors, except ours is not electronic at all.


It’s fluidic. Instead of high voltage and low voltage you have high


pressure and low pressure, and instead of electric current flow you


have fluid flow and you can achieve the same basic logic features.”

And like the 0s and 1s that undergird computing, Braille is a binary


code. Each Braille cell (which is sometimes a letter and sometimes a


whole word) contains six dots that can be either raised or flat to


convey different information.

Michigan engineers have developed technology that may soon lead to a


refreshable braille tablet the size of a Kindle.

“The dots are either there or they’re not,” O’Modhrain said. “That’s


why this circuit is so elegant.”

With just two input valves, the researchers are able to generate more


than 50 different dot states. The valves move fluid that controls tiny


bubbles that raise or lower dots.

At this point, they've shown that they can drive the dots with


bubbles, and that they can print a microfluidic device that could let

RE: auto language switching is window eyes 9.3.1

[Afik Sofir via Talk]

Hi,

Did auto-language switching work with VEX? 
I'm working with carmit, and I need auto-language-switching
Afik Sofir
Support for Window-Eyes users
Highsight asisteve technology for blind and visually impaired
  



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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+as=highsight.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Grabowski via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 2:31 PM
To: Rod Hutton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: auto language switching is window eyes 9.3.1

Auto language only works with Eloquence and eSpeak.

Chris

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-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 7:53 AM
To: 'drew clark' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: auto language switching is window eyes 9.3.1

Hi Drew,

The settings for this are found under Verbosity, Browse mode, and tab over
to the settings to change them to your liking.

Hth,

Rod

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Of drew clark via Talk
Sent: January 10, 2016 12:44 AM
To: Jeff Weiss ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: auto language switching is window eyes 9.3.1

Hi,
first, is this feature possible? and if yes,
how to enable it? i have installed vocalizer us english, uk english and 
arabic. and when encounter arabic text, i want wineyes to switch to 
arabic vocalizer from english vocalizer. Can it be done? thanks
window eyes 9.3.1
windows7 64 bit


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Re: Interesting fb post

[bj colt via Talk]

Hi Terry,

While I did read braille, speech has overtaken that method of reading. When 
I did my Hon BA Social science course. I read hundreds of books. I mean 
hundreds. I scanned in every single one of them. Reading them in braille 
would have taken me abgout 40 years. My fingertip senses have reduced 
dramatically because of playing the guitar and neuropathy from Diabetes.


I could never go back to braille. At one time I did read 60 words a minute. 
Which isn't fast, maybe between mid and high but not fast. Some people could 
read it fast. However for the deaf bllind 1,000 dollars is something else. 
Or for those who prefer braille. About time the price was brought down. Rip 
off bastards.lol


Live long and prosper, John

--
From: "Terry Bartlett via Talk" 
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 5:29 PM
To: "talk list" 
Subject: Interesting fb post


Today, blind people fluent in Braille can read computer screens s


through refreshable displays that convert words to raised dots – but


only one line at a time.

For the sighted, imagine a Kindle that presents just 40 characters per


page, says Sile O’Modhrain, an associate professor of Music, Theatre


and Dance at U-M, who is blind. Forty characters amounts to about 10


words.

The process is slow. It doesn’t give context. It’s expensive. And


O’Modhrain believes it's one of the factors contributing to Braille’s


declining use. Even though fluency in the nearly 200-year-old code is


linked with higher employment and academic performance for the


visually impaired, fewer blind people are learning and using it.


Taking Braille’s place are text-to-speech programs that make it easier


and faster to consume electronic information, but at the same time,


hold back literacy.

So O’Modhrain, who is also in the School of Information, has teamed up


with engineering researchers to build a better Braille display – one


that could show the equivalent of a whole Kindle screen at once. In


addition, it could translate beyond text, rendering graphs, charts,


spreadsheets, maps and complicated equations in a medium the blind


could more fully understand with their fingertips.

“What we’re trying to build in this project is full-page tactile


screen for something like a Kindle or an iPad where you could just


display refreshable text in real time,” O’Modhrain said. “Relative to


what’s done today, and how that’s done, it’s a complete paradigm


shift.”

In the 1950s, about half of blind children learned to read Braille,


according to the National Federation of the Blind. Today, that number


is just 10 percent. Yet 80 percent of the blind people who are


employed know Braille. Those numbers don’t tell the whole story, as


definitions and health outcomes have evolved over the years. But the


trend they suggest is real.

“When you’re learning to read and write, it’s hard to find a


substitute for physically encounter text – whether it’s in visual or


tactile form,” O’Modhrain said. ”There are many studies that show that


listening to something is not the same as reading it.”

The system she is developing with Brent Gillespie, an associate


professor of mechanical engineering, and Alex Russomanno, a doctoral


student in the same department, would make e-reading for the blind


more efficient and a lot less expensive. Today’s commercial one-line


Braille displays cost around $5,000. If you were to directly scale up


the mechanism behind it to show a whole page, it would cost around


$50,000, Russomanno says. The U-M researchers’ aim to offer that


capability at just $1,000 per device.

How can they make a bigger display at a fraction of the cost? Their


answer is microfluidics – a branch of science and engineering that


involves specially etched chips with tiny channels that guide flows


of liquid or air. Microfluidic chips are modeled and made like the


integrated circuits of computers. They are printed rather than


assembled.

“We use the equivalent of electronic logic and circuitry,” Russomanno


said. “When I say that, I’m referring to the way a computer works,


with transistors and resistors, except ours is not electronic at all.


It’s fluidic. Instead of high voltage and low voltage you have high


pressure and low pressure, and instead of electric current flow you


have fluid flow and you can achieve the same basic logic features.”

And like the 0s and 1s that undergird computing, Braille is a binary


code. Each Braille cell (which is sometimes a letter and sometimes a


whole word) contains six dots that can be either raised or flat to


convey different information.

Michigan engineers have developed technology that may soon lead to a


refreshable braille tablet the size of a Kindle.

“The dots are either there or they’re not,” O’Modhrain said. “That’s


why this circuit is so elegant.”

With just two input valves, the 

Re: Interesting fb post

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I've read it since 1958.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 2:05 PM
To: bj colt ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Interesting fb post

hmmm, you can't do poetry or a play in synthesized speech, Braille is
essential for that or hearing a dramatic reading, but sometimes you need
both.  I would not be without Braille.  I have read it for more than 60
years.


bj colt via Talk  wrote:


Hi Terry,

While I did read braille, speech has overtaken that method of
reading. When I did my Hon BA Social science course. I read hundreds
of books. I mean hundreds. I scanned in every single one of
them. Reading them in braille would have taken me abgout 40 years. My
fingertip senses have reduced dramatically because of playing the
guitar and neuropathy from Diabetes.

I could never go back to braille. At one time I did read 60 words a
minute. Which isn't fast, maybe between mid and high but not
fast. Some people could read it fast. However for the deaf bllind
1,000 dollars is something else. Or for those who prefer
braille. About time the price was brought down. Rip off bastards.lol

Live long and prosper, John

--
From: "Terry Bartlett via Talk" 
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 5:29 PM
To: "talk list" 
Subject: Interesting fb post

> Today, blind people fluent in Braille can read computer screens s
>
>
> through refreshable displays that convert words to raised dots – but
>
>
> only one line at a time.
>
> For the sighted, imagine a Kindle that presents just 40 characters per
>
>
> page, says Sile O’Modhrain, an associate professor of Music, Theatre
>
>
> and Dance at U-M, who is blind. Forty characters amounts to about 10
>
>
> words.
>
> The process is slow. It doesn’t give context. It’s expensive. And
>
>
> O’Modhrain believes it's one of the factors contributing to Braille’s
>
>
> declining use. Even though fluency in the nearly 200-year-old code is
>
>
> linked with higher employment and academic performance for the
>
>
> visually impaired, fewer blind people are learning and using it.
>
>
> Taking Braille’s place are text-to-speech programs that make it easier
>
>
> and faster to consume electronic information, but at the same time,
>
>
> hold back literacy.
>
> So O’Modhrain, who is also in the School of Information, has teamed up
>
>
> with engineering researchers to build a better Braille display – one
>
>
> that could show the equivalent of a whole Kindle screen at once. In
>
>
> addition, it could translate beyond text, rendering graphs, charts,
>
>
> spreadsheets, maps and complicated equations in a medium the blind
>
>
> could more fully understand with their fingertips.
>
> “What we’re trying to build in this project is full-page tactile
>
>
> screen for something like a Kindle or an iPad where you could just
>
>
> display refreshable text in real time,” O’Modhrain said. “Relative to
>
>
> what’s done today, and how that’s done, it’s a complete paradigm
>
>
> shift.”
>
> In the 1950s, about half of blind children learned to read Braille,
>
>
> according to the National Federation of the Blind. Today, that number
>
>
> is just 10 percent. Yet 80 percent of the blind people who are
>
>
> employed know Braille. Those numbers don’t tell the whole story, as
>
>
> definitions and health outcomes have evolved over the years. But the
>
>
> trend they suggest is real.
>
> “When you’re learning to read and write, it’s hard to find a
>
>
> substitute for physically encounter text – whether it’s in visual or
>
>
> tactile form,” O’Modhrain said. ”There are many studies that show that
>
>
> listening to something is not the same as reading it.”
>
> The system she is developing with Brent Gillespie, an associate
>
>
> professor of mechanical engineering, and Alex Russomanno, a doctoral
>
>
> student in the same department, would make e-reading for the blind
>
>
> more efficient and a lot less expensive. Today’s commercial one-line
>
>
> Braille displays cost around $5,000. If you were to directly scale up
>
>
> the mechanism behind it to show a whole page, it would cost around
>
>
> $50,000, Russomanno says. The U-M researchers’ aim to offer that
>
>
> capability at just $1,000 per device.
>
> How can they make a bigger display at a fraction of the cost? Their
>
>
> answer is microfluidics – a branch of science and engineering that
>
>
> involves specially etched chips with tiny channels that guide flows
>
>
> of liquid or air. Microfluidic chips are modeled and made like the
>
>
> integrated circuits of computers. They are printed rather than
>
>
> assembled.
>
> “We use the equivalent of electronic logic and circuitry,” Russomanno
>
>
> said. “When I say that, I’m referring to the way a computer works,
>
>
> with transistors and resistors, except ours is not electronic at all.
>
>
> It’s fluidic. Instead of high voltage and low