Re: Data Bases
I am going to be volunteering with a company who wants me to put data into their database, and they use a web based option which is custom designed, and is very easy to use. On 04/10/2016 01:26, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: Hi Dave. I don't know of a good databass software that works with Window-eyes, but I can tell you that our JAWS dealer, has a custom-built designed databass that works exclusively with JAWS and nothing else. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dave via Talk Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 4:47 PM To: A I Squared Support Subject: Data Bases Hello, OK, I already know that Window Eyes tend sto Suck when it comes to reading Powerful Databases. do any of you use WE with any Good Database software? And if so, which one? And do any of you know if NVDA or JAWS is able to read and be used in Databases? Again, could you give me the names of which ones? Thanks, Grumpy Dave -- Regards, Samuel Wilkins ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: The future of Window-eyes
Hi All, If I switch to nvda can I use my we vocalizer voices that I paid for? Thanks, -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:37 PM To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes You are completely forgetting NVDA which is a free option, and it's actually a screenreader worth using. it's not a toy a couple people put together, it actually works a lot better than a lot of folks think. So, if Window-eyes does eventually stop being developed, there is absolutely no reason why you can't download a free copy of NVDA and use that. On 10/3/2016 6:28 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: It is going to be a hard decision when the time comes to pay $1000.00 for JAWS or spend that same money for a Apple based laptop. On 10/3/2016 5:23 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote: But others within the VFO group can speak about the future of JFW, and there is clealry some integration between JFW developments and plans involving Zoomtext, which is an AI Squared product. And yes: this is speculation caused by uncertainty. I'm glad we are having this discussion. Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2016 11:15 a.m. To: Loy; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes None of us, probably not even the guys at AI Squared are even able to speak about the future of Window-eyes until it is time to do so. So all this thread really does is create what some in the online world call fud. Fear, uncertainty and doubt. On 10/3/2016 4:54 PM, Loy via Talk wrote: I think that Microsoft is the one who is subsidizes the Window Eyes for Office. - Original Message - From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk To: 'Reeva Webb' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 3:55 PM Subject: RE: The future of Window-eyes Yes: paying customers do have certain rights, one of which to complain. I'm in that paying customer group, who subsidise the Window-eyes for Office programme, and actually, as a paying customer, get less and less of what I've paid for. As our numbers diminish, so Window-eyes becomes less viable as a distinctive, commercially driven product. For those who say use NVDA - not for me - its braille support is worse than Window-eyes. So - it may well be JFW which I reluctantly purchase, or I stay with Window-Eyes the performance of which is now lagging in a number of areas. So VFO: talk to your paying customers. Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2016 3:26 a.m. To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes Countdown to the demise of we y'all. I been calling it, we and fusion will be killed, magic will be put to it's deserved death fs always knew magic sucked and was a complete joke. The shark and zt will be made to work together and we'll be offered oh, so great upgrade pricing sarcasm. Of course people are now gonna say stop complaining. When i'm spending my own money on something i have a right to complain. Fs's upgrade model is stupid to update my old copy of the shark and magic would cost a arm, leg and first born child. On Monday, October 3, 2016, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote: > If I'm stuck with using JAWS, I hope someone comes out with a > alternate keyboard layout for NVDA to make it use all of the same hot > keys as Window Eyes. > > -Original Message- From: Sky Mundell via Talk > Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 8:04 PM > To: 'Butch Bussen' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: RE: The future of Window-eyes > > Hi. Its understandable why you would not mess with JAWS. I have to use > JAWS for my work as a musician and recording engineer, but detest it > for its copy-protection. I also work as a adaptive technology > instructor and can use both alongside of NVDA to teach clients. > -Original Message- > From: Butch Bussen [mailto:but...@shellworld.net] > Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 7:58 PM > To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes > > We all know window-eyes is going away, we just don't know when. No > way are they going to support two screen readers. I won't have jaws > on my system. I refuse to mess with their copy protection scheme. > Only thing I wonder is what they'll do with remaining s m a. > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily repr
Re: The future of Window-eyes
No, you can't. On Tuesday, October 4, 2016, Gary Metzler via Talk < talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > Hi All, > > If I switch to nvda can I use my we vocalizer voices that I paid for? > Thanks, > > -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk > Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:37 PM > To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes > > You are completely forgetting NVDA which is a free option, and it's > actually a screenreader worth using. it's not a toy a couple people put > together, it actually works a lot better than a lot of folks think. > > So, if Window-eyes does eventually stop being developed, there is > absolutely no reason why you can't download a free copy of NVDA and use > that. > > > > > > > On 10/3/2016 6:28 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: > >> It is going to be a hard decision when the time comes to pay $1000.00 for >> JAWS or spend that same money for a Apple based laptop. >> >> On 10/3/2016 5:23 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote: >> >>> But others within the VFO group can speak about the future of JFW, and >>> there is clealry some integration between JFW developments and plans >>> involving Zoomtext, which is an AI Squared product. >>> And yes: this is speculation caused by uncertainty. >>> >>> I'm glad we are having this discussion. >>> >>> Vaughan. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists. >>> window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk >>> Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2016 11:15 a.m. >>> To: Loy; Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes >>> >>> None of us, probably not even the guys at AI Squared are even able to >>> speak about the future of Window-eyes until it is time to do so. So all >>> this thread really does is create what some in the online world call fud. >>> Fear, uncertainty and doubt. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/3/2016 4:54 PM, Loy via Talk wrote: >>> I think that Microsoft is the one who is subsidizes the Window Eyes for Office. - Original Message - From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk To: 'Reeva Webb' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 3:55 PM Subject: RE: The future of Window-eyes Yes: paying customers do have certain rights, one of which to complain. I'm in that paying customer group, who subsidise the Window-eyes for Office programme, and actually, as a paying customer, get less and less of what I've paid for. As our numbers diminish, so Window-eyes becomes less viable as a distinctive, commercially driven product. For those who say use NVDA - not for me - its braille support is worse than Window-eyes. So - it may well be JFW which I reluctantly purchase, or I stay with Window-Eyes the performance of which is now lagging in a number of areas. So VFO: talk to your paying customers. Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists. window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2016 3:26 a.m. To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes Countdown to the demise of we y'all. I been calling it, we and fusion will be killed, magic will be put to it's deserved death fs always knew magic sucked and was a complete joke. The shark and zt will be made to work together and we'll be offered oh, so great upgrade pricing sarcasm. Of course people are now gonna say stop complaining. When i'm spending my own money on something i have a right to complain. Fs's upgrade model is stupid to update my old copy of the shark and magic would cost a arm, leg and first born child. On Monday, October 3, 2016, Russ Kiehne via Talk < talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > If I'm stuck with using JAWS, I hope someone comes out with a > alternate keyboard layout for NVDA to make it use all of the same hot > keys as Window Eyes. > > -Original Message- From: Sky Mundell via Talk > Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 8:04 PM > To: 'Butch Bussen' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: RE: The future of Window-eyes > > Hi. Its understandable why you would not mess with JAWS. I have to use > JAWS for my work as a musician and recording engineer, but detest it > for its copy-protection. I also work as a adaptive technology > instructor and can use both alongside of NVDA to teach clients. > -Original Message- > From: Butch Bussen [mailto:but...@shellworld.net] > Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 7:58 PM > To: Sky
Re: The future of Window-eyes
You should probably e-mail the developers of NVDA. On 10/4/2016 4:13 AM, Gary Metzler via Talk wrote: > Hi All, > > If I switch to nvda can I use my we vocalizer voices that I paid for? > Thanks, > > -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk > Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:37 PM > To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes > > You are completely forgetting NVDA which is a free option, and it's > actually a screenreader worth using. it's not a toy a couple people put > together, it actually works a lot better than a lot of folks think. > > So, if Window-eyes does eventually stop being developed, there is > absolutely no reason why you can't download a free copy of NVDA and use > that. > > > > > > > On 10/3/2016 6:28 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: >> It is going to be a hard decision when the time comes to pay $1000.00 >> for JAWS or spend that same money for a Apple based laptop. >> >> On 10/3/2016 5:23 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote: >>> But others within the VFO group can speak about the future of JFW, >>> and there is clealry some integration between JFW developments and >>> plans involving Zoomtext, which is an AI Squared product. >>> And yes: this is speculation caused by uncertainty. >>> >>> I'm glad we are having this discussion. >>> >>> Vaughan. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] >>> On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk >>> Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2016 11:15 a.m. >>> To: Loy; Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes >>> >>> None of us, probably not even the guys at AI Squared are even able to >>> speak about the future of Window-eyes until it is time to do so. So >>> all this thread really does is create what some in the online world >>> call fud. Fear, uncertainty and doubt. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/3/2016 4:54 PM, Loy via Talk wrote: I think that Microsoft is the one who is subsidizes the Window Eyes for Office. - Original Message - From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk To: 'Reeva Webb' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 3:55 PM Subject: RE: The future of Window-eyes Yes: paying customers do have certain rights, one of which to complain. I'm in that paying customer group, who subsidise the Window-eyes for Office programme, and actually, as a paying customer, get less and less of what I've paid for. As our numbers diminish, so Window-eyes becomes less viable as a distinctive, commercially driven product. For those who say use NVDA - not for me - its braille support is worse than Window-eyes. So - it may well be JFW which I reluctantly purchase, or I stay with Window-Eyes the performance of which is now lagging in a number of areas. So VFO: talk to your paying customers. Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2016 3:26 a.m. To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes Countdown to the demise of we y'all. I been calling it, we and fusion will be killed, magic will be put to it's deserved death fs always knew magic sucked and was a complete joke. The shark and zt will be made to work together and we'll be offered oh, so great upgrade pricing sarcasm. Of course people are now gonna say stop complaining. When i'm spending my own money on something i have a right to complain. Fs's upgrade model is stupid to update my old copy of the shark and magic would cost a arm, leg and first born child. On Monday, October 3, 2016, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote: > If I'm stuck with using JAWS, I hope someone comes out with a > alternate keyboard layout for NVDA to make it use all of the same hot > keys as Window Eyes. > > -Original Message- From: Sky Mundell via Talk > Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 8:04 PM > To: 'Butch Bussen' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: RE: The future of Window-eyes > > Hi. Its understandable why you would not mess with JAWS. I have to use > JAWS for my work as a musician and recording engineer, but detest it > for its copy-protection. I also work as a adaptive technology > instructor and can use both alongside of NVDA to teach clients. > -Original Message- > From: Butch Bussen [mailto:but...@shellworld.net] > Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 7:58 PM > To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion
window eyes 4 office portable
hi everyone, i'm drew. just listened to webinar about offer for microsoft office and i am using window eyes for office now! so, can anyone help me create the portable version of window eyes so that i can cary it whenever i want and whereever i go? ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Data Bases
Hi: The only one I can think of is the Microsoft Access DB Platform. I know one fellow who used it well with JAWS but I have never tried it with WindowEyes. A custom DB manager by some third party might be out there but the accessibility of these platforms would be the question. Building a custom DB Manager isnt too complicated but would take some time. Is this for a job or for your personal use and how large do you think the DB would get - that determines if you can use something simple like a file based system or have to go to a full server based system. Rick USA -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 3:33 AM To: Sky Mundell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Data Bases I am going to be volunteering with a company who wants me to put data into their database, and they use a web based option which is custom designed, and is very easy to use. On 04/10/2016 01:26, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: > Hi Dave. I don't know of a good databass software that works with > Window-eyes, but I can tell you that our JAWS dealer, has a custom-built > designed databass that works exclusively with JAWS and nothing else. > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Dave via Talk > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 4:47 PM > To: A I Squared Support > Subject: Data Bases > > Hello, > > OK, I already know that Window Eyes tend sto Suck when it comes to > reading Powerful Databases. > > do any of you use WE with any Good Database software? And if so, which > one? > > And do any of you know if NVDA or JAWS is able to read and be used in > Databases? Again, could you give me the names of which ones? > > Thanks, > > Grumpy Dave > > -- Regards, Samuel Wilkins ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/ofbgmail%40mi. rr.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: The future of Window-eyes
I agree. If you look at the time and expertise which has gone into developing the product, then you can't expect to get that for nothing. Throughout my working life Vocal-eyes and then Window-eyes has been there to support me. IN my naivety I have always believe that there was little to choose between Jaws and Window-eyes but it has always seemed to me that the support given to Window-eyes users has been far superior to that provided to Jaws users. I'll be as sorry as anyone to see the demise of Window-eyes but am trying to be positive. Perhaps what this merger will mean is that the technical knowledge for both products will be brought together to create a new and even better beast, combining the best of both systems. Alison ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Data Bases
Hi Again: I just did a quick Google and found several candidates but figuring out which ones offer what you are looking for would require some homework. A question you want answered out of the box is whether the Database offers a built-in user interface to use the features to create, Report, Update, and Delete items from the Database. The next question is if the user interface is accessible and if the vendor doesn't know you will have to experiment and pick the best one. If you will be creating your own user interface there are several free database engines out there like SqLite, Firebird, MySql and Microsoft Access or Sql Server for heavy databases and Sql Compact Edition for file-based smaller databases and even some internet applications. Note Sql Compact Edition is no longer supported by Microsoft but still runs perfectly on the latest Windows Platforms and the actual DLL(s) for the engine are freely available to include in a programming project. I am not aware, didn't look, to see if there were any user interfaces built off these databases similar to the Microsoft Access Platform so that is something to check out when you start doing your homework. Perhaps someone out there has used a DB in the way you want to use one and can save you allot of time googling and contacting vendors. It sounds like you want a DB that you can fire up and already has all the built-in forms and dialogs so you can create a project in the DB Platform itself with CRUD operations built-in via user interface dialogs and then some other custom features like sorting, filtering and the like. If someone on this or other lists has an idea of which one will fit your needs that will save you allot of time and headaches trying to find one when you are a nube to the subject at hand. Good Hunting! Rick USA ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: NVDA link
Hi Linette, here is a link from my web page for NVDA 2016.2. You can install this version and right away NVDA will say there is a newer update, NVDA 2016.3, just hit ok and download that newer version and you are off and running. The synthesize voice is not the best, but if you own Kurzweil 1000 software you can use the Eloquence or Paul, Kate, or James voices from that. http://adaptiveinformation.org/downloads/Freeware/NVDA_2016.2.exe Regards, Roger behm Adaptive Information Systems Inc. We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled Roger A. Behm, President 1611 Clover Lane Janesville WI 53545-1388 Fax: 608-758-7898 Voice: 608-758-0933 Email: aist...@ameritech.net Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Linette Sukup via Talk Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 11:07 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: NVDA link Obviously, my membership on this list shows where my loyalties are. However, just in case I need it, I would like to have a link from which to get NVDA. Could someone send me one? Thank you. Peace. Linette ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/aistech%40amer itech.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Voices for NVDA
The Nuance, DecTalk and Eloquence voices are tied to Window-Eyes, so you won't be able to use them with NVDA. You can use the various SAPI or Speech Framework synthesizers that come with Windows or that you had obtained somewhere along the way. In Windows 7 I use the Zera Pro Microsoft Speech Framework synthesizer with NVDA. In Windows 10 I use Microsoft David, although I wasn't able to use the souped-up mobile version. Eloquence and other synthesizers can be purchased to work with NVDA. Except for ESpeech, the free synthesizers I have used are not quite as responsive to single-character input as Eloquence or Vocalizer or DecTalk synthesizers, so if you are going to seriously use NVDA you will probably want to invest in a synthesizer. Responsiveness is quite adequate for general screen reading tasks, however. Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD http://lras.home.sprynet.com -Original Message- From: Gary Metzler via Talk Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 4:13 AM To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes Hi All, If I switch to nvda can I use my we vocalizer voices that I paid for? Thanks, -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:37 PM To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes You are completely forgetting NVDA which is a free option, and it's actually a screenreader worth using. it's not a toy a couple people put together, it actually works a lot better than a lot of folks think. So, if Window-eyes does eventually stop being developed, there is absolutely no reason why you can't download a free copy of NVDA and use that. On 10/3/2016 6:28 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: It is going to be a hard decision when the time comes to pay $1000.00 for JAWS or spend that same money for a Apple based laptop. On 10/3/2016 5:23 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote: But others within the VFO group can speak about the future of JFW, and there is clealry some integration between JFW developments and plans involving Zoomtext, which is an AI Squared product. And yes: this is speculation caused by uncertainty. I'm glad we are having this discussion. Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2016 11:15 a.m. To: Loy; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes None of us, probably not even the guys at AI Squared are even able to speak about the future of Window-eyes until it is time to do so. So all this thread really does is create what some in the online world call fud. Fear, uncertainty and doubt. On 10/3/2016 4:54 PM, Loy via Talk wrote: I think that Microsoft is the one who is subsidizes the Window Eyes for Office. - Original Message - From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk To: 'Reeva Webb' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 3:55 PM Subject: RE: The future of Window-eyes Yes: paying customers do have certain rights, one of which to complain. I'm in that paying customer group, who subsidise the Window-eyes for Office programme, and actually, as a paying customer, get less and less of what I've paid for. As our numbers diminish, so Window-eyes becomes less viable as a distinctive, commercially driven product. For those who say use NVDA - not for me - its braille support is worse than Window-eyes. So - it may well be JFW which I reluctantly purchase, or I stay with Window-Eyes the performance of which is now lagging in a number of areas. So VFO: talk to your paying customers. Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2016 3:26 a.m. To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes Countdown to the demise of we y'all. I been calling it, we and fusion will be killed, magic will be put to it's deserved death fs always knew magic sucked and was a complete joke. The shark and zt will be made to work together and we'll be offered oh, so great upgrade pricing sarcasm. Of course people are now gonna say stop complaining. When i'm spending my own money on something i have a right to complain. Fs's upgrade model is stupid to update my old copy of the shark and magic would cost a arm, leg and first born child. On Monday, October 3, 2016, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote: > If I'm stuck with using JAWS, I hope someone comes out with a > alternate keyboard layout for NVDA to make it use all of the same hot > keys as Window Eyes. > > -Original Message- From: Sky Mundell via Talk > Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 8:04 PM > To: 'Butch Bussen' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: RE:
Re: NVDA link
Another address for NVDA is NVAccess.org . Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD http://lras.home.sprynet.com -Original Message- From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 6:52 AM To: 'Linette Sukup' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: NVDA link Hi Linette, here is a link from my web page for NVDA 2016.2. You can install this version and right away NVDA will say there is a newer update, NVDA 2016.3, just hit ok and download that newer version and you are off and running. The synthesize voice is not the best, but if you own Kurzweil 1000 software you can use the Eloquence or Paul, Kate, or James voices from that. http://adaptiveinformation.org/downloads/Freeware/NVDA_2016.2.exe Regards, Roger behm Adaptive Information Systems Inc. We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled Roger A. Behm, President 1611 Clover Lane Janesville WI 53545-1388 Fax: 608-758-7898 Voice: 608-758-0933 Email: aist...@ameritech.net Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Linette Sukup via Talk Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 11:07 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: NVDA link Obviously, my membership on this list shows where my loyalties are. However, just in case I need it, I would like to have a link from which to get NVDA. Could someone send me one? Thank you. Peace. Linette ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/aistech%40amer itech.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/lras%40sprynet.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: window eyes 4 office portable
Hi, Check out the below link: http://www.gwmicro.com/Support/Knowledge_Base/?kbnumber=GWKB1067 Understand if Office 2010, 2013, or 2016 is not on the target machine Window-eyes will run as a 30 minute demo. Also you can't take your purchased synthesizers as they are activated per machine. You can use sapi and eSpeak with the portable version. Chris -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of drew clark via Talk Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 4:28 AM To: Tom Kingston ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: window eyes 4 office portable hi everyone, i'm drew. just listened to webinar about offer for microsoft office and i am using window eyes for office now! so, can anyone help me create the portable version of window eyes so that i can cary it whenever i want and whereever i go? ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/cgrabowski%40aisquared.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: The future of Window-eyes
I guess the proof will be in the puddings. It will be what it will be, I guess. -Original Message- From: Reg Webb via Talk Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 12:12 AM To: Tom Kingston ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes Thank you Tom for being constructive as ever. We must talk to people assuming that they are concerned about the purpose of their product, rather than simply looking for a means of maximising their revenue. Talking to the latter is pointless, so let's at least assume that there is, in the policy of the company, some distinction between something like access technology and optional luxury products. For example, whatever health care system we live under, we hope that our doctor has some interest in curing us, rather than in merely maximising his/her personal profit. I personally think there has to be a sharp distinction between getting paid well for doing something well, and making profit for its own sake. -- Reg On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 23:33:51 -0400 Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: This thread is fine. We all need to vent. But the most productive thing we can do is to let VFO know how we feel. I would encourage all of you to take a deep breath, sit down, and spend some time writing a serious letter to the folks at VFO. Make it professional and courteous, outlining your experience with Window-Eyes, how it has helped you, and so on. And if you have strong feelings about not using JAWS, let them know, again, in a courteous manner. I stress this because no one is going to pay any attention to raging rants while a well thought out civil message will keep them reading--and hopefully get them thinking. Here's the contact page at VFO. http://www.vfo-group.com/index.php/contact/ Regards, Tom ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/regwebb%40btinternet.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
thunderbird questions
I need to know how to block senders of unwanted mail and how to use the Junk mail features in Thunderbird. Also, when composing mail is control num pad 5 the only key that works? can't get control mun pad 8 to read what I've typed in a message. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
for AI Squared what is the price to upgrade my wineyes and SMA
Hello, I own win-eyes 9.1, retail version. How much would it cost for me to upgrade to the latest version? Also, if I purchase another SMA and wineyes goes off the market, will I receive a prorated refund? Thanks very much. Butch ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Data Bases
Hi rick, not sure who you were speaking to, but it was me that has ran into the Database barrier, and have yet to figure a way around it. Over the years, I have attempted to use Access, and had little to no success. I had more success in the early edition of Access than say in the 2010 edition, which is the last version I have attempted to use. There is Using a Database, which is easier to get working than actually Creating a Database from Scratch. In the past, I needed to create a Database from Scratch, as no one on staff was going to build it for me etc. And I wasn't expecting them to do so. At the time, we had two or three Databases, one for Customers, and another for Bug Tracking. I forget what the third database was for, but I rarely needed to get into it. The Company always went the Cheap route, and was using some Freeware Bug Tracking software, and Window Eyes, at the time, would not read anything. The same Company had a Web Based Customer Base, and Window eyes would read bits and pieces, but not enough for me to fill out the entire form. When I speak with HR people, I will ask, or they will ask me about my knowledge of what ever software they use. There seems to be a wide variety of Customer tracking and Bug Tracking software out there, and I have to tell them that No, I do not know any of those packages. And I do not know if my Screen Reader will read enough in any of those packages. I have never been one to insist the Company change everything they do so they can have the Privilege of hiring me. Ha Ha! I have always gone into Jobs believing it was up to me to adjust to what ever system they are already using.I do not play the Blind Card. I ask about Databases about every two to three years just incase someone has made a break through, using any Screen Reader.So far, JAWS seems to read better than any others, but from what I've read, this too is limited. Back in the mid 90's, MS Windows 3.1 was the big OS at the time, and Lotus was a big player in the Spread Sheet market. Lotus came out with a Suite of programs, A Spread Sheet, a Word Processor, and a Database called Approach.This one database worked great with Window Eyes at the time. I could read and create what ever database I needed. However, the Approach software was limited and you might say our Department out grew its capabilities. We then moved over to Access and I never could get Window Eyes to read as well as it had in Approach. Probably 10 years ago, I bought a newer version of Approach, installed it and found they had changed the program so much that Window Eyes no longer read much of anything. About four years ago, I was able to try a copy of Alpha 5, which is a fantastic database, probably the best I have seen. But, Window eyes would read some things well and not read other things. Like, I might be able to read Menus, but once a selection was chose, the Screen Reader would not read anything on the screen.Here again, Bits and Pieces getting read, but not enough to be able to use the software. I probably should have learned to write Scripts, but frankly, I was Lazy, and just didn't want to put in the effort it would take to learn how to write good ones. anyway, this is my story. Others working in Government offices have told me they can use their Network Based Database with no problems. This is good to hear, so there are some out there able to use a Screen Reader with a Database. I'll keep looking and perhaps I will stumble onto something that works well enough. Grumpy Dave -- Dave ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: The future of Window-eyes
I think they do have an idea. Did you mis Dan's retirement? Now Doug works for them so he can't very well say things the company doesn't want him to say. There's a lot of hand writing on the wall to indicate that we'll really have freedom from choice. Would love to be wrong but it's difficult to ignore the many signs that indicate that we're going to be swallowed up by FS. On 10/3/2016 9:51 AM, RJ Sandefur via Talk wrote: You all have know idea what you're talking about. Stop asuming things. Window eyes is not going away! If it wire, I think Doug or Dan would let us know! RJ On 10/3/2016 10:36 AM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote: I'm sure they will hear an earful from those of us who like and use Window-Eyes. And yes, it's my money, and I want a good product. Perhaps there should be more transparency as to what they plan to do. Tell me straight, and I'll make my own decisions with my feet and my wallet.--Matthew Chao On 10/3/2016 10:25 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote: Countdown to the demise of we y'all. I been calling it, we and fusion will be killed, magic will be put to it's deserved death fs always knew magic sucked and was a complete joke. The shark and zt will be made to work together and we'll be offered oh, so great upgrade pricing sarcasm. Of course people are now gonna say stop complaining. When i'm spending my own money on something i have a right to complain. Fs's upgrade model is stupid to update my old copy of the shark and magic would cost a arm, leg and first born child. On Monday, October 3, 2016, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote: If I'm stuck with using JAWS, I hope someone comes out with a alternate keyboard layout for NVDA to make it use all of the same hot keys as Window Eyes. -Original Message- From: Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 8:04 PM To: 'Butch Bussen' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: The future of Window-eyes Hi. Its understandable why you would not mess with JAWS. I have to use JAWS for my work as a musician and recording engineer, but detest it for its copy-protection. I also work as a adaptive technology instructor and can use both alongside of NVDA to teach clients. -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen [mailto:but...@shellworld.net] Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 7:58 PM To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes We all know window-eyes is going away, we just don't know when. No way are they going to support two screen readers. I won't have jaws on my system. I refuse to mess with their copy protection scheme. Only thing I wonder is what they'll do with remaining s m a. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/o ptions.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/russ94577%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/l istinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/p rivate.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/o ptions.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jadedangelpromises%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/l istinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/p rivate.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur%40outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mcommerford%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, vi
Re: Data Bases
Hi Rick, The answer is Yes, to all of those. Actually, what I am running into is when I contact potential employers, I do not recognize any of the Customer or Bug Tracking Software they use. My last employer was so cheap he wouldn't spend any money for this kind of thing, so myself and the other guys in the department used several Freeware packages. I rarely recognize any tracking software mentioned by potential employers. So I have no idea if any Screen Reader will work, and usually, the person I am speaking to is depending upon me to know, since they don't get a lot of Blind applicants. -- This then turns into a Stalemate situation as they don't know anything, and I can not help them either. To show up with my copy of Window Eyes and install it on their system, and go through all of the headakes that usually come, I have yet to find an employer this patient, to take up the time to see if my Screen Reader will work on their systems. I am told to come back when I find out if my screen reader will work with what ever software they are using. And so far, the answer is I don't know, or No, or Kind of. Not complaining here, but just stating what I've run into the very few times I've actually had someone take an interest. The last time was over a year ago. I slacked off looking because it was like Spitting into the Wind. Then in the last month or two, I am back to looking again, and the Database question has come up again. Perhaps I need to change the type of job I am looking for. Maybe I should be a software Tester, or a Web Site tester when I grow up? Grumpy Dave Dave ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: The future of Window-eyes
Are you sure, they even know? :) Maybe that kind of decisions are made FAR above their head, by the "real owners", behind the scene. Staff members do not always know what is going on, anything much before the rest of us will get informed. It will be a challenge, should WE go away. Yet, who knows what the whole market looks like even tomorrow. Let's hope they keep WE running for a bit longer. David On 10/4/2016 5:29 PM, Marvin Commerford via Talk wrote: > I think they do have an idea. Did you mis Dan's retirement? Now Doug > works for them so he can't very well say things the company doesn't > want him to say. There's a lot of hand writing on the wall to > indicate that we'll really have freedom from choice. Would love to be > wrong but it's difficult to ignore the many signs that indicate that > we're going to be swallowed up by FS. > > On 10/3/2016 9:51 AM, RJ Sandefur via Talk wrote: >> You all have know idea what you're talking about. Stop asuming things. >> Window eyes is not going away! If it wire, I think Doug or Dan would let >> us know! RJ >> >> >> On 10/3/2016 10:36 AM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote: >>> I'm sure they will hear an earful from those of us who like and use >>> Window-Eyes. And yes, it's my money, and I want a good product. >>> Perhaps there should be more transparency as to what they plan to do. >>> Tell me straight, and I'll make my own decisions with my feet and my >>> wallet.--Matthew Chao >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/3/2016 10:25 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote: Countdown to the demise of we y'all. I been calling it, we and fusion will be killed, magic will be put to it's deserved death fs always knew magic sucked and was a complete joke. The shark and zt will be made to work together and we'll be offered oh, so great upgrade pricing sarcasm. Of course people are now gonna say stop complaining. When i'm spending my own money on something i have a right to complain. Fs's upgrade model is stupid to update my old copy of the shark and magic would cost a arm, leg and first born child. On Monday, October 3, 2016, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote: > If I'm stuck with using JAWS, I hope someone comes out with a > alternate > keyboard layout for NVDA to make it use all of the same hot keys as > Window > Eyes. > > -Original Message- From: Sky Mundell via Talk > Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 8:04 PM > To: 'Butch Bussen' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: RE: The future of Window-eyes > > Hi. Its understandable why you would not mess with JAWS. I have to > use JAWS > for my work as a musician and recording engineer, but detest it > for its > copy-protection. I also work as a adaptive technology instructor and > can > use > both alongside of NVDA to teach clients. > -Original Message- > From: Butch Bussen [mailto:but...@shellworld.net] > Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 7:58 PM > To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes > > We all know window-eyes is going away, we just don't know when. > No way > are they going to support two screen readers. I won't have jaws > on my > system. I refuse to mess with their copy protection scheme. Only > thing I > wonder is what they'll do with remaining s m a. > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/o > ptions.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/russ94577%40gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/l > istinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/p > rivate.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/o > ptions.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jadedangelpromises%40gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/l > istinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/p > rivate.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > >>> >>> ___ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur%40outlook.
Re: for AI Squared what is the price to upgrade my wineyes and SMA
$49 to run on window 10. - Original Message - From: bk via Talk To: gw Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:44 AM Subject: for AI Squared what is the price to upgrade my wineyes and SMA Hello, I own win-eyes 9.1, retail version. How much would it cost for me to upgrade to the latest version? Also, if I purchase another SMA and wineyes goes off the market, will I receive a prorated refund? Thanks very much. Butch ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Who are VFO officers?
Does anyone know who the officers of VFO are. I did a search and only found the CEO. I'd like to know what position Doug has now. - Original Message - From: David via Talk To: mcommerf...@comcast.net ; Window-EyesDiscussion List ; RJ Sandefur Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:39 AM Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes Are you sure, they even know? :) Maybe that kind of decisions are made FAR above their head, by the "real owners", behind the scene. Staff members do not always know what is going on, anything much before the rest of us will get informed. It will be a challenge, should WE go away. Yet, who knows what the whole market looks like even tomorrow. Let's hope they keep WE running for a bit longer. David On 10/4/2016 5:29 PM, Marvin Commerford via Talk wrote: > I think they do have an idea. Did you mis Dan's retirement? Now Doug > works for them so he can't very well say things the company doesn't > want him to say. There's a lot of hand writing on the wall to > indicate that we'll really have freedom from choice. Would love to be > wrong but it's difficult to ignore the many signs that indicate that > we're going to be swallowed up by FS. > > On 10/3/2016 9:51 AM, RJ Sandefur via Talk wrote: >> You all have know idea what you're talking about. Stop asuming things. >> Window eyes is not going away! If it wire, I think Doug or Dan would let >> us know! RJ >> >> >> On 10/3/2016 10:36 AM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote: >>> I'm sure they will hear an earful from those of us who like and use >>> Window-Eyes. And yes, it's my money, and I want a good product. >>> Perhaps there should be more transparency as to what they plan to do. >>> Tell me straight, and I'll make my own decisions with my feet and my >>> wallet.--Matthew Chao >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/3/2016 10:25 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote: Countdown to the demise of we y'all. I been calling it, we and fusion will be killed, magic will be put to it's deserved death fs always knew magic sucked and was a complete joke. The shark and zt will be made to work together and we'll be offered oh, so great upgrade pricing sarcasm. Of course people are now gonna say stop complaining. When i'm spending my own money on something i have a right to complain. Fs's upgrade model is stupid to update my old copy of the shark and magic would cost a arm, leg and first born child. On Monday, October 3, 2016, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote: > If I'm stuck with using JAWS, I hope someone comes out with a > alternate > keyboard layout for NVDA to make it use all of the same hot keys as > Window > Eyes. > > -Original Message- From: Sky Mundell via Talk > Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 8:04 PM > To: 'Butch Bussen' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: RE: The future of Window-eyes > > Hi. Its understandable why you would not mess with JAWS. I have to > use JAWS > for my work as a musician and recording engineer, but detest it > for its > copy-protection. I also work as a adaptive technology instructor and > can > use > both alongside of NVDA to teach clients. > -Original Message- > From: Butch Bussen [mailto:but...@shellworld.net] > Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 7:58 PM > To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes > > We all know window-eyes is going away, we just don't know when. > No way > are they going to support two screen readers. I won't have jaws > on my > system. I refuse to mess with their copy protection scheme. Only > thing I > wonder is what they'll do with remaining s m a. > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/o > ptions.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/russ94577%40gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/l > istinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/p > rivate.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/o > ptions.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jadedangelpromises
Re: The future of Window-eyes
Of course, one consequence of all this uncertainty, is the app development. Many app developers may feel reluctant to update and maintain their apps, if tomorrow the whole app will be no longer useful, due to the screen reader being discontinued. New apps may not be developed, even if there does exist the needed expertise, causing users not to have the optimal solutions in place. That way, the screen reader will loose its stand, more people will leave it behind and find better solutions otherwise, and eventually the product can be discontinued. OK, so staff can reassure us all, the screen reader will be continued. Yet, for how long? Nice that we recently have received updated versions, and as such, the product is up-to-date by now. But further development - both in the AISquared lab, and among the many app managers - might be depending on further signals from the new owners. Investing a ton of hours in developing something, releasing it and following up all user feedback, could soon feel overwhelming, long as you do not know if things will be useful in a few months. Big issue is, that nothing man-made lasts forever. One day, maybe a total new system will present itself, causing most of us to leap for another screen reader. Not even sure if Jaws, ZoomText or even NVDA, will be the next one to take over the market. Sometimes you wonder how much longer Windows itself will be around. In general, I am pleased with the Window-Eyes screen reader, for one thing due to all the possibilities with easy-to-use and create apps. Yet, I do realize that the recent development of the way things are done, on the business side, makes us wonder what is going on. Very few times, all this kind of one business swallowing the other, has proven to be better for the customer. Not trying to be negative, but after all, such merging takes ttime, energy and loads of economic resources. And the end-result will often stand as a slimmed-down staff, that ends up with so much products to handle, that there will be less specialized advice to be had. David On 10/3/2016 2:15 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: > Hello Window-Eyes users. Sky here. I wanted to update you guys on What's > been happening at VFO Group, Particuarly in regards to Zoomtext, and > Window-eyes. In September, 2 editions of FSCast came out regarding JAWS 18. > One of the features that will be in JAWS 18 will be a talking mouse support. > The guys at VFO group has said that They have plans to put the talking mouse > support in Zoomtext, and make JAWS work with it. This made me laugh, as > first of all, Zoomtext already has Window-eyes in it, called Fusion, > secondly, Zoomtext, from my understanding, already has built in mouse > support already with Fusion. No menschen of Window-eyes or even Fusion. In > the next FSCast, VFO went into more details on JAWS 18 and Zoomtext. What is > going to happen is that in Zoomtext 11, JAWS and Zoomtext will be working > together. I can honestly tell you that they also plan to put in a talking > mouse support for MAGic, which will be released in 2017. This is not a good > sign, and besides, Zoomtext and JAWS, would cost a lot more to buy, than it > would cost to buy Zoomtext Fusion. At no point in the two FSCasts do they > menschen what's going to happen with Window-eyes. > > > > If you guys would like to take a look at the two FSCasts, go to > > > > > > http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast131-JAWS_18_part1 > .mp3 > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast132-JAWS_18_part2 > .mp3 > > > > > > > > I also want to hear what the senior management from AI Squared have to say > on the future. > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > . > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Who are VFO officers?
Well, we have Erick Dannery, vice president management for software, and we have Glen Gordon who is the Cheef technology officer who is blind. We have Brad Davis, Dan Clark, Dusty somebody, Bryan Carver, who is also blind, and a whole lot of other people, and we also have Jonathan Mosen who produces the monthly podcast. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 8:47 AM To: David; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Who are VFO officers? Does anyone know who the officers of VFO are. I did a search and only found the CEO. I'd like to know what position Doug has now. - Original Message - From: David via Talk To: mcommerf...@comcast.net ; Window-EyesDiscussion List ; RJ Sandefur Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:39 AM Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes Are you sure, they even know? :) Maybe that kind of decisions are made FAR above their head, by the "real owners", behind the scene. Staff members do not always know what is going on, anything much before the rest of us will get informed. It will be a challenge, should WE go away. Yet, who knows what the whole market looks like even tomorrow. Let's hope they keep WE running for a bit longer. David On 10/4/2016 5:29 PM, Marvin Commerford via Talk wrote: > I think they do have an idea. Did you mis Dan's retirement? Now Doug > works for them so he can't very well say things the company doesn't > want him to say. There's a lot of hand writing on the wall to > indicate that we'll really have freedom from choice. Would love to be > wrong but it's difficult to ignore the many signs that indicate that > we're going to be swallowed up by FS. > > On 10/3/2016 9:51 AM, RJ Sandefur via Talk wrote: >> You all have know idea what you're talking about. Stop asuming things. >> Window eyes is not going away! If it wire, I think Doug or Dan would let >> us know! RJ >> >> >> On 10/3/2016 10:36 AM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote: >>> I'm sure they will hear an earful from those of us who like and use >>> Window-Eyes. And yes, it's my money, and I want a good product. >>> Perhaps there should be more transparency as to what they plan to do. >>> Tell me straight, and I'll make my own decisions with my feet and my >>> wallet.--Matthew Chao >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/3/2016 10:25 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote: Countdown to the demise of we y'all. I been calling it, we and fusion will be killed, magic will be put to it's deserved death fs always knew magic sucked and was a complete joke. The shark and zt will be made to work together and we'll be offered oh, so great upgrade pricing sarcasm. Of course people are now gonna say stop complaining. When i'm spending my own money on something i have a right to complain. Fs's upgrade model is stupid to update my old copy of the shark and magic would cost a arm, leg and first born child. On Monday, October 3, 2016, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote: > If I'm stuck with using JAWS, I hope someone comes out with a > alternate > keyboard layout for NVDA to make it use all of the same hot keys as > Window > Eyes. > > -Original Message- From: Sky Mundell via Talk > Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 8:04 PM > To: 'Butch Bussen' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: RE: The future of Window-eyes > > Hi. Its understandable why you would not mess with JAWS. I have to > use JAWS > for my work as a musician and recording engineer, but detest it > for its > copy-protection. I also work as a adaptive technology instructor and > can > use > both alongside of NVDA to teach clients. > -Original Message- > From: Butch Bussen [mailto:but...@shellworld.net] > Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 7:58 PM > To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes > > We all know window-eyes is going away, we just don't know when. > No way > are they going to support two screen readers. I won't have jaws > on my > system. I refuse to mess with their copy protection scheme. Only > thing I > wonder is what they'll do with remaining s m a. > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/o > ptions.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/russ94577%40gmail.com. >>>
Re: Who are VFO officers?
I know some of the heigher up's from serving in the NFBF with them. RJ On 10/4/2016 12:10 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: > Well, we have Erick Dannery, vice president management for software, and we > have Glen Gordon who is the Cheef technology officer who is blind. We have > Brad Davis, Dan Clark, Dusty somebody, Bryan Carver, who is also blind, and > a whole lot of other people, and we also have Jonathan Mosen who produces > the monthly podcast. > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Loy via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 8:47 AM > To: David; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Who are VFO officers? > > Does anyone know who the officers of VFO are. I did a search and only found > the CEO. I'd like to know what position Doug has now. > - Original Message - >From: David via Talk >To: mcommerf...@comcast.net ; Window-EyesDiscussion List ; RJ Sandefur >Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:39 AM >Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes > > >Are you sure, they even know? :) Maybe that kind of decisions are made >FAR above their head, by the "real owners", behind the scene. Staff >members do not always know what is going on, anything much before the >rest of us will get informed. > > >It will be a challenge, should WE go away. Yet, who knows what the whole >market looks like even tomorrow. Let's hope they keep WE running for a >bit longer. > > > >David > >On 10/4/2016 5:29 PM, Marvin Commerford via Talk wrote: >> I think they do have an idea. Did you mis Dan's retirement? Now Doug >> works for them so he can't very well say things the company doesn't >> want him to say. There's a lot of hand writing on the wall to >> indicate that we'll really have freedom from choice. Would love to be >> wrong but it's difficult to ignore the many signs that indicate that >> we're going to be swallowed up by FS. >> >> On 10/3/2016 9:51 AM, RJ Sandefur via Talk wrote: >>> You all have know idea what you're talking about. Stop asuming things. >>> Window eyes is not going away! If it wire, I think Doug or Dan would > let >>> us know! RJ >>> >>> >>> On 10/3/2016 10:36 AM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote: >>>> I'm sure they will hear an earful from those of us who like and use >>>> Window-Eyes. And yes, it's my money, and I want a good product. >>>> Perhaps there should be more transparency as to what they plan to do. >>>> Tell me straight, and I'll make my own decisions with my feet and my >>>> wallet.--Matthew Chao >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/3/2016 10:25 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote: > Countdown to the demise of we y'all. I been calling it, we and fusion > will > be killed, magic will be put to it's deserved death fs always knew > magic > sucked and was a complete joke. The shark and zt will be made to work > together and we'll be offered oh, so great upgrade pricing > sarcasm. Of > course people are now gonna say stop complaining. When i'm spending > my own > money on something i have a right to complain. Fs's upgrade model is > stupid > to update my old copy of the shark and magic would cost a arm, leg > and > first born child. > > > > > On Monday, October 3, 2016, Russ Kiehne via Talk > > wrote: > >> If I'm stuck with using JAWS, I hope someone comes out with a >> alternate >> keyboard layout for NVDA to make it use all of the same hot keys as >> Window >> Eyes. >> >> -Original Message- From: Sky Mundell via Talk >> Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 8:04 PM >> To: 'Butch Bussen' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Subject: RE: The future of Window-eyes >> >> Hi. Its understandable why you would not mess with JAWS. I have to >> use JAWS >> for my work as a musician and recording engineer, but detest it >> for its >> copy-protection. I also work as a adaptive technology instructor and >> can >> use >> both alongside of NVDA to teach clients. >> -Original Message- >> From: Butch Bussen [mailto:but...@shellworld.net] >> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 7:58 PM >> To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes >> >> We all know window-eyes is going away, we just don't know when. >> No way >> are they going to support two screen readers. I won't have jaws >> on my >> system. I refuse to mess with their copy protection scheme. Only >> thing I >> wonder is what they'll do with remaining s m a. >> 73 >> Bu
RE: NVDA link
Why don't you Google it? -Original Message- From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk [mailto:talk@lists.window-eyes.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 4:52 AM To: Linette Sukup ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: NVDA link Hi Linette, here is a link from my web page for NVDA 2016.2. You can install this version and right away NVDA will say there is a newer update, NVDA 2016.3, just hit ok and download that newer version and you are off and running. The synthesize voice is not the best, but if you own Kurzweil 1000 software you can use the Eloquence or Paul, Kate, or James voices from that. http://adaptiveinformation.org/downloads/Freeware/NVDA_2016.2.exe Regards, Roger behm Adaptive Information Systems Inc. We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled Roger A. Behm, President 1611 Clover Lane Janesville WI 53545-1388 Fax: 608-758-7898 Voice: 608-758-0933 Email: aist...@ameritech.net Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Linette Sukup via Talk Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 11:07 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: NVDA link Obviously, my membership on this list shows where my loyalties are. However, just in case I need it, I would like to have a link from which to get NVDA. Could someone send me one? Thank you. Peace. Linette ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/aistech%40amer itech.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/don.mauck%40oracle.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Who are VFO officers?
Minor correction, Eric Damery Chris -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 12:10 PM To: 'Loy' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'David' Subject: RE: Who are VFO officers? Well, we have Erick Dannery, vice president management for software, and we have Glen Gordon who is the Cheef technology officer who is blind. We have Brad Davis, Dan Clark, Dusty somebody, Bryan Carver, who is also blind, and a whole lot of other people, and we also have Jonathan Mosen who produces the monthly podcast. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 8:47 AM To: David; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Who are VFO officers? Does anyone know who the officers of VFO are. I did a search and only found the CEO. I'd like to know what position Doug has now. - Original Message - From: David via Talk To: mcommerf...@comcast.net ; Window-EyesDiscussion List ; RJ Sandefur Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:39 AM Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes Are you sure, they even know? :) Maybe that kind of decisions are made FAR above their head, by the "real owners", behind the scene. Staff members do not always know what is going on, anything much before the rest of us will get informed. It will be a challenge, should WE go away. Yet, who knows what the whole market looks like even tomorrow. Let's hope they keep WE running for a bit longer. David On 10/4/2016 5:29 PM, Marvin Commerford via Talk wrote: > I think they do have an idea. Did you mis Dan's retirement? Now Doug > works for them so he can't very well say things the company doesn't > want him to say. There's a lot of hand writing on the wall to > indicate that we'll really have freedom from choice. Would love to be > wrong but it's difficult to ignore the many signs that indicate that > we're going to be swallowed up by FS. > > On 10/3/2016 9:51 AM, RJ Sandefur via Talk wrote: >> You all have know idea what you're talking about. Stop asuming things. >> Window eyes is not going away! If it wire, I think Doug or Dan would let >> us know! RJ >> >> >> On 10/3/2016 10:36 AM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote: >>> I'm sure they will hear an earful from those of us who like and use >>> Window-Eyes. And yes, it's my money, and I want a good product. >>> Perhaps there should be more transparency as to what they plan to do. >>> Tell me straight, and I'll make my own decisions with my feet and my >>> wallet.--Matthew Chao >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/3/2016 10:25 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote: Countdown to the demise of we y'all. I been calling it, we and fusion will be killed, magic will be put to it's deserved death fs always knew magic sucked and was a complete joke. The shark and zt will be made to work together and we'll be offered oh, so great upgrade pricing sarcasm. Of course people are now gonna say stop complaining. When i'm spending my own money on something i have a right to complain. Fs's upgrade model is stupid to update my old copy of the shark and magic would cost a arm, leg and first born child. On Monday, October 3, 2016, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote: > If I'm stuck with using JAWS, I hope someone comes out with a > alternate > keyboard layout for NVDA to make it use all of the same hot keys as > Window > Eyes. > > -Original Message- From: Sky Mundell via Talk > Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 8:04 PM > To: 'Butch Bussen' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: RE: The future of Window-eyes > > Hi. Its understandable why you would not mess with JAWS. I have to > use JAWS > for my work as a musician and recording engineer, but detest it > for its > copy-protection. I also work as a adaptive technology instructor and > can > use > both alongside of NVDA to teach clients. > -Original Message- > From: Butch Bussen [mailto:but...@shellworld.net] > Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 7:58 PM > To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes > > We all know window-eyes is going away, we just don't know when. > No way > are they going to support two screen readers. I won't have jaws > on my > system. I refuse to mess with their copy protection scheme. Only > thing I > wonder is what they'll do with remaining s m a. > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > _
RE: NVDA link
Hi: Here's the latest version from their Web site. http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2016.3/nvda_2016.3.exe -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Don Mauck via Talk Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 1:43 PM To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Linette Sukup Subject: RE: NVDA link Why don't you Google it? -Original Message- From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk [mailto:talk@lists.window-eyes.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 4:52 AM To: Linette Sukup ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: NVDA link Hi Linette, here is a link from my web page for NVDA 2016.2. You can install this version and right away NVDA will say there is a newer update, NVDA 2016.3, just hit ok and download that newer version and you are off and running. The synthesize voice is not the best, but if you own Kurzweil 1000 software you can use the Eloquence or Paul, Kate, or James voices from that. http://adaptiveinformation.org/downloads/Freeware/NVDA_2016.2.exe Regards, Roger behm Adaptive Information Systems Inc. We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled Roger A. Behm, President 1611 Clover Lane Janesville WI 53545-1388 Fax: 608-758-7898 Voice: 608-758-0933 Email: aist...@ameritech.net Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Linette Sukup via Talk Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 11:07 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: NVDA link Obviously, my membership on this list shows where my loyalties are. However, just in case I need it, I would like to have a link from which to get NVDA. Could someone send me one? Thank you. Peace. Linette ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/aistech%40amer itech.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/don.mauck%40or acle.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/joseph.norton% 40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Data Bases
Hi David: That is a common problem and no database is going to help since the customer has their own database managing the tracking or crm applications depending on the vendor who provided their software. They may have their own programming staff who created the software in-house and if so they may be able to make it accessible. Otherwise it is a matter of getting the names of their software packages and researching them to find out if any are accessible and then look for jobs using the accessible software. The other alternative is to have a scriptor script whatever software is being used, the State may pay for this via the Commission for the Blind or something - not sure. If the entity you want to work for is a Government or related contractor they may need to, by law, make the software accessible or pick something else but private companies are not, as far as I know, required to make a job accessible unless the regulations have changed or I misunderstand them. If it were me I would find 2 or 3 popular commercial packages and learn to use them and, or, have them scripted so you can use them and then filter the job hunt based on what you know - a bad choice but it might work. The key here is to find some way of using the companys software or using something that can tie into their software or even a stand-alon package that the boss will approve of but then you wouldn't be tied into their crm or tracking systems. You might have the State create a black box against a stand-alone package that ties into the companys systems, just some programming, but you would need to have them hire a programmer, have the company agree to it and then learn to use the new platform. I am thinking that scripting an existing crm and, or, tracking platform created in a popular venue would be the way to go since it is the most common practice I believe. You really need to keep a list of the software they are using and ask around to see if any of it has already been scripted and then get prices for a pro, like the WindowEyes staff, to script the most popular ones or the ones you are most interested in. That said, I think I would consider talking to the JAWS scripting staff since the status of WindowEyes is in question lately and scripting a complex crm system could be expensive for either you, if you get the job, or the State if they will pay for the service. Good Hunting! Rick USA -Original Message- From: Dave [mailto:dlh...@centurylink.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:33 AM To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Data Bases Hi Rick, The answer is Yes, to all of those. Actually, what I am running into is when I contact potential employers, I do not recognize any of the Customer or Bug Tracking Software they use. My last employer was so cheap he wouldn't spend any money for this kind of thing, so myself and the other guys in the department used several Freeware packages. I rarely recognize any tracking software mentioned by potential employers. So I have no idea if any Screen Reader will work, and usually, the person I am speaking to is depending upon me to know, since they don't get a lot of Blind applicants. -- This then turns into a Stalemate situation as they don't know anything, and I can not help them either. To show up with my copy of Window Eyes and install it on their system, and go through all of the headakes that usually come, I have yet to find an employer this patient, to take up the time to see if my Screen Reader will work on their systems. I am told to come back when I find out if my screen reader will work with what ever software they are using. And so far, the answer is I don't know, or No, or Kind of. Not complaining here, but just stating what I've run into the very few times I've actually had someone take an interest. The last time was over a year ago. I slacked off looking because it was like Spitting into the Wind. Then in the last month or two, I am back to looking again, and the Database question has come up again. Perhaps I need to change the type of job I am looking for. Maybe I should be a software Tester, or a Web Site tester when I grow up? Grumpy Dave Dave ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Data Bases
Hi Again Dave: I know a fellow who used Access, a recent version I think but don't hold me to it, to convert a rather complicated Excel spreadsheet into the correct format for Sql Server. He created the Access Database, generated reports, imported, filtered and sorted the excel data and stored the results in his Access Database. Then he used the Access Database to convert into a Sql Server Database format - part of his Degree Program at Liberty University. He uses JAWS so I am not sure if he could have done all that with WindowEyes but Access, one of the flavors, is indeed pretty accessible according to him. The only other thing I can think of is to hire someone to create a nice database app for you - not too hard but time consuming. If based off SqLite or another existing Database most of the really complex work will already have been done and mainly just the user interface with all the features you want need to be programmed. If you want your own database this is one option if you cant find one out there that suits your needs but this is likely going to be a costly option me thinks. Having a somewhat accessible piece of existing software scripted to tweak the user interface to work with jaws or windoweyes might be less costely and give you faster development and a lower cost. Rick USA From: Dave [mailto:dlh...@centurylink.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:09 AM To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Data Bases Hi rick, not sure who you were speaking to, but it was me that has ran into the Database barrier, and have yet to figure a way around it. Over the years, I have attempted to use Access, and had little to no success. I had more success in the early edition of Access than say in the 2010 edition, which is the last version I have attempted to use. There is Using a Database, which is easier to get working than actually Creating a Database from Scratch. In the past, I needed to create a Database from Scratch, as no one on staff was going to build it for me etc. And I wasn't expecting them to do so. At the time, we had two or three Databases, one for Customers, and another for Bug Tracking. I forget what the third database was for, but I rarely needed to get into it. The Company always went the Cheap route, and was using some Freeware Bug Tracking software, and Window Eyes, at the time, would not read anything. The same Company had a Web Based Customer Base, and Window eyes would read bits and pieces, but not enough for me to fill out the entire form. When I speak with HR people, I will ask, or they will ask me about my knowledge of what ever software they use. There seems to be a wide variety of Customer tracking and Bug Tracking software out there, and I have to tell them that No, I do not know any of those packages. And I do not know if my Screen Reader will read enough in any of those packages. I have never been one to insist the Company change everything they do so they can have the Privilege of hiring me. Ha Ha! I have always gone into Jobs believing it was up to me to adjust to what ever system they are already using.I do not play the Blind Card. I ask about Databases about every two to three years just incase someone has made a break through, using any Screen Reader.So far, JAWS seems to read better than any others, but from what I've read, this too is limited. Back in the mid 90's, MS Windows 3.1 was the big OS at the time, and Lotus was a big player in the Spread Sheet market. Lotus came out with a Suite of programs, A Spread Sheet, a Word Processor, and a Database called Approach.This one database worked great with Window Eyes at the time. I could read and create what ever database I needed. However, the Approach software was limited and you might say our Department out grew its capabilities. We then moved over to Access and I never could get Window Eyes to read as well as it had in Approach. Probably 10 years ago, I bought a newer version of Approach, installed it and found they had changed the program so much that Window Eyes no longer read much of anything. About four years ago, I was able to try a copy of Alpha 5, which is a fantastic database, probably the best I have seen. But, Window eyes would read some things well and not read other things. Like, I might be able to read Menus, but once a selection was chose, the Screen Reader would not read anything on the screen.Here again, Bits and Pieces getting read, but not enough to be able to use the software. I probably should have learned to write Scripts, but frankly, I was Lazy, and just didn't want to put in the effort it would take to learn how to write good ones. anyway, this is my story. Others working in Government offices have told me they can use their Network Based Database with no problems. This is good to hear, so there are some out there able to use a Screen Reader with a Database. I'll keep looking and perhaps I will stumbl
Re: Who are VFO officers?
Does Doug G have an office in VFO, or is he still just part of AISquared. - Original Message - From: RJ Sandefur via Talk To: Sky Mundell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 1:06 PM Subject: Re: Who are VFO officers? I know some of the heigher up's from serving in the NFBF with them. RJ On 10/4/2016 12:10 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: > Well, we have Erick Dannery, vice president management for software, and we > have Glen Gordon who is the Cheef technology officer who is blind. We have > Brad Davis, Dan Clark, Dusty somebody, Bryan Carver, who is also blind, and > a whole lot of other people, and we also have Jonathan Mosen who produces > the monthly podcast. > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Loy via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 8:47 AM > To: David; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Who are VFO officers? > > Does anyone know who the officers of VFO are. I did a search and only found > the CEO. I'd like to know what position Doug has now. > - Original Message - >From: David via Talk >To: mcommerf...@comcast.net ; Window-EyesDiscussion List ; RJ Sandefur >Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:39 AM >Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes > > >Are you sure, they even know? :) Maybe that kind of decisions are made >FAR above their head, by the "real owners", behind the scene. Staff >members do not always know what is going on, anything much before the >rest of us will get informed. > > >It will be a challenge, should WE go away. Yet, who knows what the whole >market looks like even tomorrow. Let's hope they keep WE running for a >bit longer. > > > >David > >On 10/4/2016 5:29 PM, Marvin Commerford via Talk wrote: >> I think they do have an idea. Did you mis Dan's retirement? Now Doug >> works for them so he can't very well say things the company doesn't >> want him to say. There's a lot of hand writing on the wall to >> indicate that we'll really have freedom from choice. Would love to be >> wrong but it's difficult to ignore the many signs that indicate that >> we're going to be swallowed up by FS. >> >> On 10/3/2016 9:51 AM, RJ Sandefur via Talk wrote: >>> You all have know idea what you're talking about. Stop asuming things. >>> Window eyes is not going away! If it wire, I think Doug or Dan would > let >>> us know! RJ >>> >>> >>> On 10/3/2016 10:36 AM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote: >>>> I'm sure they will hear an earful from those of us who like and use >>>> Window-Eyes. And yes, it's my money, and I want a good product. >>>> Perhaps there should be more transparency as to what they plan to do. >>>> Tell me straight, and I'll make my own decisions with my feet and my >>>> wallet.--Matthew Chao >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/3/2016 10:25 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote: > Countdown to the demise of we y'all. I been calling it, we and fusion > will > be killed, magic will be put to it's deserved death fs always knew > magic > sucked and was a complete joke. The shark and zt will be made to work > together and we'll be offered oh, so great upgrade pricing > sarcasm. Of > course people are now gonna say stop complaining. When i'm spending > my own > money on something i have a right to complain. Fs's upgrade model is > stupid > to update my old copy of the shark and magic would cost a arm, leg > and > first born child. > > > > > On Monday, October 3, 2016, Russ Kiehne via Talk > > wrote: > >> If I'm stuck with using JAWS, I hope someone comes out with a >> alternate >> keyboard layout for NVDA to make it use all of the same hot keys as >> Window >> Eyes. >> >> -Original Message- From: Sky Mundell via Talk >> Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 8:04 PM >> To: 'Butch Bussen' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Subject: RE: The future of Window-eyes >> >> Hi. Its understandable why you would not mess with JAWS. I have to >> use JAWS >> for my work as a musician and recording engineer, but detest it >> for its >> copy-protection. I also work as a adaptive technology instructor and >> can >> use >> both alongside of NVDA to teach clients. >> -Original Message- >> From: Butch Bussen [mailto:but...@shellworld.net] >> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 7:58 PM
Re: Browse Mode, and missing characters
My question may not be helpful but is the same behavior exhibited by jfw or nvda? - Curtis Delzer, HS. K6VFO San Bernardino, CA On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:01:24 + David via Talk wrote: > This has been the case, ever since the new Browse mode was introduced. > And it happens on that many sites, that it would be strange to imagine > that I would be the only one struggling wwith the following issue. My > browser is set to automatically maximize any window, and hitting > Ctrl-Shift-T does confirm the window to be fully maximized. > > > I would be reading a arbitrary website. It could be a newspaper article, > it could be an article on Wikipedia, it might be a product page of some > store, or it could be an advertisement on Ebay. Most cases all the text > will come through, and my reading is just fine. But all the sudden, the > screen reader cuts off the last character of each line. This is > annoying, to say the least, and could even lead to quite misinterpretted > text comprehension. There is, for instance, a big difference if a > product costs $165, or only $16 - all depending on whether the screen > reader will acknowledge the last character on the line. > > I even have seen several cases, where the page mainly reads just fine, > and only certain sections of the page have their characters cut off. > > Every time a new version of WE is released, I hope for the lost > character issue to have been fixed. But so far, unfortunately the > characters still go for their lunch and holiday, anywhere in cyberspace. > With the more sofisticated speech synthesizers, a word with its last > character may be mispronounced, but you could live with that (somehow). > But other synthesizers, like the AT&T ones, will start spelling out > words that are not recognized as correctly spelled. Needless to tell you > all, it is eardropping and annoying, and definitely does not speed up > productivity having to guess every word that happens to end any line in > a more lengthy article. > > Why does the new Browse mode do this kind of character cutting? Any > reason for it not to have been addressed yet? > > I already stated that it happens this often, totally cross-domain, that > it puzzles me if noone else have seen the behavior. For whatever that > might be worth, I mainly use the latest version of Firefox, and have for > all the time of the new Browse mode, even long before that. Yet, the few > times I am in Internet explorer, I seem to remember the issue showing up > there as well, so would hold nothing against one browser over the other. > The issue does not exactly make my screen reader much reliable - the way > I understand the term "reliable". > > Hope this can be addressed, and fixed before next release of the screen > reader. > > Anyone having any experience if this behavior would be the case with any > of the other screen readers on the market? > > > -- > David > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/curtis%40calweb.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
is window-eyes going away?
Hello, is Window-Eyes going away? It would be a pity if it did. Please don't tell me that it's going away. Charlie Short ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: is window-eyes going away?
At this time, no one knows. AISquared and VFO have merged and some speculate that they will not keep both screen readers. - Original Message - From: Charles Short via Talk To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 6:14 PM Subject: is window-eyes going away? Hello, is Window-Eyes going away? It would be a pity if it did. Please don't tell me that it's going away. Charlie Short ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: is window-eyes going away?
Charllie: I think that is the ultimate question. My own now long standing conclusion is that the signs do not look good. If VFO can finance increasing the profile of JFW, with advanced notice of what to expect, the same can happen for Window-Eyes. I think it safe to assume that if VFO senior leadership is Freedom Scientific stacked, Window-eyes development will cease. Existing copies will function, until Windows and other applications change such that Window-Eyes can no longer manage the interface for them. This is my strongly held personal view - if these discussions get filtered up to John Blake et al, someone with authority to speak to us should show some leadership and tell us to stop the speculation or alternatively say - the current release is the last. Vfo could turn Window-Eyes into a free alternative to NVDA, and open it up for interested others to develop. Or they could do exactly what they are doing for JFW: tell us what to look forward to. Best. Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Charles Short via Talk Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2016 11:15 a.m. To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: is window-eyes going away? Hello, is Window-Eyes going away? It would be a pity if it did. Please don't tell me that it's going away. Charlie Short ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/vaughan.dodd001%40msd.govt.nz. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com --- This email and any attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this email and attachments is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the author immediately and erase all copies of the email and attachments. The Ministry of Social Development accepts no responsibility for changes made to this message or attachments after transmission from the Ministry. --- ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: is window-eyes going away?
In short the answer is no, not yet. it may go away, it may not. Nobody knows, maybe the AI Squared staff don't even know. Speculating only causes fear, uncertainty, and doubt. and over the last few days there's been loads of it on this list. Nobody can control this, folks. Sending 50 emails a day worrying about Window-eyes going away isn't going to change what happens eventually. Stop worrying about stuff nobody can control and just enjoy Window-eyes as it is now. On 10/4/2016 6:34 PM, Loy via Talk wrote: At this time, no one knows. AISquared and VFO have merged and some speculate that they will not keep both screen readers. - Original Message - From: Charles Short via Talk To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 6:14 PM Subject: is window-eyes going away? Hello, is Window-Eyes going away? It would be a pity if it did. Please don't tell me that it's going away. Charlie Short ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rascal0826%40verizon.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: is window-eyes going away?
You are right, no one knows, well maybe the shadow knows. As long as microsoft makes it available free with office, that is a plus. However, a couple thoughts. Here we have a company that now has two screen readers. Reader w is less expensive, and at least in the u.s., not copy protected. It also uses a different scripting language. Reader j costs more, and is copy protected and restricted on how many installs you can do. Reader j also has a much larger part of the market. Can you think of a logical reason they would continue to develop both products which do the same thing? Hopefully, they'll care enough to take some of the best features of reader w and include in their own, reader j. If they discontinue one, which do you think it will be? Speculation, perhaps, also I think logical. All I can tell you is, I won't bother with jaws. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Thanks to Rick and Others
Hi rick, Thanks for the great list of the process I would need to do in order to land one of these jobs. My own estimation is not quite as long as yours, but was very similar. I had made up my mind there was No Way in Hell I was going to involve the State Agency for the Blind. This makes my task list a bit shorter. I have my reasons, most of them Good Reasons. My experience with our State Agency is if you want to have something get turned inside out and end up ASS Backwards, go through our State Agency for the Blind.Plus it takes about 12 months to get something done which should take no more than three weeks. My Age is coming into play as I am applying for work. Most of these jobs are held by younger people and for a good reason. They will work for less and their minds are still quick and flexible. Mine is not as Sharp as it was when I was 35 years younger.I'm not stupid, and I am wiser than most younger people, but learning New stuff does not come as easy these days. I am thinking I may need to look for other types of work, something where the focus is not on Programming or Testing Software. What that might be, I am still attempting to figure out. Where do older Software guys go when they know a fair amount about mostly out of date stuff? I did have a Highlight while looking for work. For a short time, I had this guy, paid by a government grant, who was to be a Specialist in finding work for those who have Handicaps.Any sort of Handicap. As it turned out, he had only had his job for about 10 months, and his job was going away in just a few more months when his Grant would run out of money. He did send me for an interview, where I would be testing those Cars that are to drive themselves. As I was reading through the requirements for the job, one of the very first requirements was that I had to have an up to date Drivers License, and that I could Drive. My task would have been if I had a valid drivers license was to sit behind the wheel and when the car's navigation system made a mistake, I was to correct the error by slowing down, turning the wheel to avoid an obstacle, or to bring the car to a stop. Now I am quite interested in this kind of thing, so the type of job would have attracted me. But, I had to laugh since this guy is to be this Specialist in placing someone with a Physical limitation. Guess he forgot I was totally blind. But, I had a good laugh about it. Other than that one little thing, called a Valid Drivers License, I might still be testing those Self Navigating Cars. Thanks again, Grumpy Dave ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Thunderbird -- setting up a group message
Hello, , I want to set up a group mailing list for perhaps eight persons. I can't figure out how to do this in Thunderbird. I went to the address book list, hit alt n, named the list book club, tabbed past description to the edit box and entered a name in my address book. But where do I go from here? I tried following the name with a comma and a space after which I repeated this procedure with five or six other names in my address book. Still only the first name listed shows. What am I missing? On a related topic, has anyone come up with a viable solution to the problem of repetition of the subject line during the reading of a message in Thunderbird? Frankly, although I haven't tested extensively, this is not unique to Window-eyes. What do the rest of you think? Don Roberts ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Thunderbird -- setting up a group message
Not sure if this applies, but hit enter instead of space or coma, once you hear the first name repeated. On 10/4/2016 11:47 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote: > Hello, , > > I want to set up a group mailing list for perhaps eight persons. I > can't figure out how to do this in Thunderbird. I went to the address > book list, hit alt n, named the list book club, tabbed past description > to the edit box and entered a name in my address book. But where do I > go from here? I tried following the name with a comma and a space after > which I repeated this procedure with five or six other names in my > address book. Still only the first name listed shows. What am I missing? > > > On a related topic, has anyone come up with a viable solution to the > problem of repetition of the subject line during the reading of a > message in Thunderbird? Frankly, although I haven't tested extensively, > this is not unique to Window-eyes. What do the rest of you think? > > > Don Roberts > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40msn.com. > > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > . > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: More on Thunderbird Difficulties
hi i also face problem when using wineyes with thunderbird. i cannot read the status bar. using thunderbird latest wineyes latest, win10. it seems that the hotkey is unreliable sometimes. tq! > On 30 Sep 2016, at 6:56 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk > wrote: > > If you close tb and reload it, does the issue go away? > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 2:14 PM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: More on Thunderbird Difficulties > > Hi, Folks. I noticed that after my PC goes to sleep and wakes up, I have > trouble navigating in Thunderbird. The problem I mentioned in my last > message about this returns. Thoughts? How to fix?--Matthew Chao > > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/cgrabowski%40aisquared.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/clarkdrew2%40gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: The future of Window-eyes
Hi Gary. You can't use the voices for nvda that you bought with Window-eyes, but NVDA has Eloquence, DECtalk, vocalizer, etc, as addons. It also is portible and you can take it anywhere you want without installing video intercept drivers. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler via Talk Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 1:14 AM To: Chris Skarstad; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes Hi All, If I switch to nvda can I use my we vocalizer voices that I paid for? Thanks, -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:37 PM To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes You are completely forgetting NVDA which is a free option, and it's actually a screenreader worth using. it's not a toy a couple people put together, it actually works a lot better than a lot of folks think. So, if Window-eyes does eventually stop being developed, there is absolutely no reason why you can't download a free copy of NVDA and use that. On 10/3/2016 6:28 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: > It is going to be a hard decision when the time comes to pay $1000.00 > for JAWS or spend that same money for a Apple based laptop. > > On 10/3/2016 5:23 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote: >> But others within the VFO group can speak about the future of JFW, >> and there is clealry some integration between JFW developments and >> plans involving Zoomtext, which is an AI Squared product. >> And yes: this is speculation caused by uncertainty. >> >> I'm glad we are having this discussion. >> >> Vaughan. >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.co >> m] >> On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2016 11:15 a.m. >> To: Loy; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes >> >> None of us, probably not even the guys at AI Squared are even able to >> speak about the future of Window-eyes until it is time to do so. So >> all this thread really does is create what some in the online world >> call fud. Fear, uncertainty and doubt. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/3/2016 4:54 PM, Loy via Talk wrote: >>> I think that Microsoft is the one who is subsidizes the Window Eyes >>> for Office. >>>- Original Message - >>>From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk >>>To: 'Reeva Webb' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >>>Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 3:55 PM >>>Subject: RE: The future of Window-eyes >>> >>> >>>Yes: paying customers do have certain rights, one of which to >>> complain. >>> >>>I'm in that paying customer group, who subsidise the Window-eyes >>> for Office programme, and actually, as a paying customer, get less >>> and less of what I've paid for. >>> >>>As our numbers diminish, so Window-eyes becomes less viable as a >>> distinctive, commercially driven product. >>> >>>For those who say use NVDA - not for me - its braille support is >>> worse than Window-eyes. So - it may well be JFW which I reluctantly >>> purchase, or I stay with Window-Eyes the performance of which is now >>> lagging in a number of areas. >>> >>> >>> >>>So VFO: talk to your paying customers. >>> >>> >>>Vaughan. >>> >>> >>>-Original Message- >>>From: Talk >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists.window-eyes.c >>> om] >>> On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk >>>Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2016 3:26 a.m. >>>To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List >>>Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes >>> >>>Countdown to the demise of we y'all. I been calling it, we and >>> fusion will be killed, magic will be put to it's deserved death fs >>> always knew magic sucked and was a complete joke. The shark and zt >>> will be made to work together and we'll be offered oh, so great upgrade pricing sarcasm. >>> Of course people are now gonna say stop complaining. When i'm >>> spending my own money on something i have a right to complain. Fs's >>> upgrade model is stupid to update my old copy of the shark and magic >>> would cost a arm, leg and first born child. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>On Monday, October 3, 2016, Russ Kiehne via Talk >>> >>>wrote: >>> >>>> If I'm stuck with using JAWS, I hope someone comes out with a >>>> alternate keyboard layout for NVDA to make it use all of the >>> same hot >>>> keys as Window Eyes. >>>> >>>> -Original Message- From: Sky Mundell via Talk >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 8:04 PM >>>> To: 'Butch Bussen' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >>>> Subject: RE: The future of Window-eyes >>>> >>>> Hi. Its understandable why you would not mess with JAWS. I have >>> to use >>>> JAWS for my work as a musician and recording engineer, but >>> detest it >>>> for its copy-protection. I also work as a adaptive
