Re: Political Statement on list, was) RE: Where to find JFW Scripts

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

To be fair the first amendment only applies to any infringement by the 
state (I'm sure you know this already).  Regarding this matter, it can 
allow or sensor what it deems to be inappropriate speech. So far, it has 
not so...

On 6/4/2017 8:32 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
wrote:
> Hello Mr. Farley:
> 
> Freedom of Expression, Speech, Assembly, Religion and a trillion other
> freedoms exist.  That's the case at least in a Western plural democracy to
> which many of us subscribe either by doctrine, or through whatever informed
> decisions we elect to make.
> 
> The only freedom humans do not have is FREEDOM FROM DEATH!  If they do, the
> most powerful and well-situated ones amongst us would have purchased it all
> for themselves and their heirs alive and yet unborn!  So, sire, let whatever
> FREEDOM there is ring from the hilltops, through the prairies, mountains,
> cliffs, lakes, rivers, oceans near and far, below and above the sky, and
> everywhere humans dare to set their feet.
> 
> It is true that my freedom begins where the first person's stops; however,
> NOT very many humans recognise this for a fact and the cacophonous rumblings
> continue.  Let FREEDOM ring; let each person elect to hear the pealing
> sounds of its bell, or else ignore.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
> 
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RE: JAWS discussion list

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Mr. Riehl, you probably already know that Window-Eyes is dead although you
can keep using it until it is finally buried following a funeral service
when all friends, family, and well-wishers of the screen reader gather
together.  Jaws is its replacement and, since V F O is SLOWLY MOVING folks
over to Jaws, this list might as well discuss both screen readers so as to
make the transition easier for all!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: Political Statement on list, was) RE: Where to find JFW Scripts

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Hello Mr. Farley:

Freedom of Expression, Speech, Assembly, Religion and a trillion other
freedoms exist.  That's the case at least in a Western plural democracy to
which many of us subscribe either by doctrine, or through whatever informed
decisions we elect to make.

The only freedom humans do not have is FREEDOM FROM DEATH!  If they do, the
most powerful and well-situated ones amongst us would have purchased it all
for themselves and their heirs alive and yet unborn!  So, sire, let whatever
FREEDOM there is ring from the hilltops, through the prairies, mountains,
cliffs, lakes, rivers, oceans near and far, below and above the sky, and
everywhere humans dare to set their feet.  

It is true that my freedom begins where the first person's stops; however,
NOT very many humans recognise this for a fact and the cacophonous rumblings
continue.  Let FREEDOM ring; let each person elect to hear the pealing
sounds of its bell, or else ignore.  

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado   


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Re: windows 7 help needed

[net bat via Talk]

i use a number before the title for some of my desktop icons because some have 
the same letters so i can't use first letter navigation.

1 for wlm, 2 for firefox, 3 for i e etc.

-Original Message- 
From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 1:15 PM
To: Jeff Weiss ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: windows 7 help needed

Sometimes I make a desktop shortcut unique by prefixing it with a
punctuation mark, such as an exclamation. If you're talking about the order
of things on the taskbar, I think that's more difficult, requiring that
everything be removed, then put in place in the order in which you want to
see them.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: Jeff Weiss via Talk

Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 4:00 PM
To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: windows 7 help needed

This does work to get a shortcut, and I know that I can rename the shortcut.
Is there a way to force this shortcut to be the first one on my desktop?
thanks,
Jeff Weiss



-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton

Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 7:44 AM
To: Jeff Weiss ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: windows 7 help needed

Hi Jeff,

If you find your Windows user profile folder, you can simply highlight each
of the folders you want desktop shortcuts for, press the Applcations key,
press N for Send to, and then press D for desktop and then press Enter
(since there's probably more than one item starting with D on the Send to
menu).

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Jeff Weiss via Talk
Sent: June 3, 2017 11:31 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: windows 7 help needed

In order to install jaws 18, I have had to create a new profile.
Now, for some reason, on both the new and original profile, the start menu
does not work as before.
I am unable to arrow up and down through the start menu items—they are there
as links that I have to click on with the mouse.

Also, on the new profile, how do I make the profile folder with downloads,
music, etc. appear on the desktop?  I don’t want a short-cut, but I want the
first thing on the desktop to be my profile name where I can press enter and
find all those folders like it is on the original profile.
Any help appreciated.
Jeff Weiss

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Re: windows 7 help needed

[Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk]

Sometimes I make a desktop shortcut unique by prefixing it with a 
punctuation mark, such as an exclamation. If you're talking about the order 
of things on the taskbar, I think that's more difficult, requiring that 
everything be removed, then put in place in the order in which you want to 
see them.




Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: Jeff Weiss via Talk

Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 4:00 PM
To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: windows 7 help needed

This does work to get a shortcut, and I know that I can rename the shortcut.
Is there a way to force this shortcut to be the first one on my desktop?
thanks,
Jeff Weiss



-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton

Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 7:44 AM
To: Jeff Weiss ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: windows 7 help needed

Hi Jeff,

If you find your Windows user profile folder, you can simply highlight each
of the folders you want desktop shortcuts for, press the Applcations key,
press N for Send to, and then press D for desktop and then press Enter
(since there's probably more than one item starting with D on the Send to
menu).

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Jeff Weiss via Talk
Sent: June 3, 2017 11:31 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: windows 7 help needed

In order to install jaws 18, I have had to create a new profile.
Now, for some reason, on both the new and original profile, the start menu
does not work as before.
I am unable to arrow up and down through the start menu items—they are there
as links that I have to click on with the mouse.

Also, on the new profile, how do I make the profile folder with downloads,
music, etc. appear on the desktop?  I don’t want a short-cut, but I want the
first thing on the desktop to be my profile name where I can press enter and
find all those folders like it is on the original profile.
Any help appreciated.
Jeff Weiss

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Re: windows 7 help needed

[Jeff Weiss via Talk]

This does work to get a shortcut, and I know that I can rename the shortcut. 
Is there a way to force this shortcut to be the first one on my desktop?

thanks,
Jeff Weiss



-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton

Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 7:44 AM
To: Jeff Weiss ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: windows 7 help needed

Hi Jeff,

If you find your Windows user profile folder, you can simply highlight each 
of the folders you want desktop shortcuts for, press the Applcations key, 
press N for Send to, and then press D for desktop and then press Enter 
(since there's probably more than one item starting with D on the Send to 
menu).


Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Jeff Weiss via Talk

Sent: June 3, 2017 11:31 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: windows 7 help needed

In order to install jaws 18, I have had to create a new profile.
Now, for some reason, on both the new and original profile, the start menu 
does not work as before.
I am unable to arrow up and down through the start menu items—they are there 
as links that I have to click on with the mouse.


Also, on the new profile, how do I make the profile folder with downloads, 
music, etc. appear on the desktop?  I don’t want a short-cut, but I want the 
first thing on the desktop to be my profile name where I can press enter and 
find all those folders like it is on the original profile.

Any help appreciated.
Jeff Weiss

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Re: windows 7 help needed

[Jeff Weiss via Talk]

I called the jaws help line and told them that the message came up that the 
freedom scientific mirror drivers did not install properly, and the jaws 
help line referred me to the Microsoft disability desk.
The disability desk said that installing a new profile would have fresh 
components installed which should allow the mirror drivers to install 
correctly.  We did this and it worked.  I can use either profile with jaws, 
but it took using the new profile to get the mirror drivers to install 
correctly.

I admit that I was skeptical too, but it worked!
Jeff Weiss



-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long

Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2017 2:16 PM
To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: windows 7 help needed

You shouldn't have to made a new profile.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Jeff Weiss via Talk

Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2017 11:31 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: windows 7 help needed

In order to install jaws 18, I have had to create a new profile.
Now, for some reason, on both the new and original profile, the start menu 
does not work as before.
I am unable to arrow up and down through the start menu items—they are there 
as links that I have to click on with the mouse.


Also, on the new profile, how do I make the profile folder with downloads, 
music, etc. appear on the desktop?  I don’t want a short-cut, but I want the 
first thing on the desktop to be my profile name where I can press enter and 
find all those folders like it is on the original profile.

Any help appreciated.
Jeff Weiss

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Re: Political Statement on list, was) RE: Where to find JFW Scripts

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

It really has no place here, but lots of things have no place here.

On 6/4/2017 1:28 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
> 
> 
> Seems like a suitable sign off to me.  On Sat, 3 Jun 2017, Dennis Long 
> via Talk wrote:
> 
>> Oh come on quit griping create a gripers  list they will be happy to hear
>> your complaints
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of John Farley via Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2017 5:57 PM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Subject: Political Statement on list, was) RE: Where to find JFW Scripts
>>
>> Hello list,
>>
>> While I, as a UK resident, realise that there are a great many members of
>> this list that are patriotic citizens of the USA is the following 
>> sign-off
>> really a suitable statement for what is, after all, a global list for
>> visually impaired people all trying to help each other.
>> I certainly do not think so and would rather not see other list members
>> political opinions on this list. There are other lists for such 
>> statements.
>>
>>
>> Now follows the sign-off:
>>
>>
>> From this day forward, it's going to be only America First, America 
>> First.
>> President Donald Trump, Inaugural Address, 1/20/17
>>
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RE: training with daisy book

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Why?  You could use the built in FS Reader that comes with JAWS.  It works
globally, so you can press Control-P to play or pause it, while working in
other apps.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: 02 June 2017 09:04
To: 'brice Mijares' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: training with daisy book

You'd probably need to download the Daisy Book to an mp3 player.

 

Alison

 

 

 

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RE: JFW Home vs Professional

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

The last I was told, you had to call them to get that reset.  This was 
another list and came from Doug as I recall.  Apparently they are not as 
strict as they use to be, but it did require a phone ccall.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sun, 4 Jun 
2017, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:



Hi Olusegun,

There is misinformation at work here.
Someone on the list a while back said that, as home users, we can install Jaws 
as many times as necessary on our home networks.
It is simply a matter of resetting the number of installs via a web interface.
As long as we're reasonable, VFO now is as well.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: June 3, 2017 11:42 PM
To: 'Carol and Roger' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: JFW Home vs Professional

This is where and why I will miss Window-Eyes miserably!  You purchase the
software, and you pay NOTHING EXTRA to get a Pro license.  What's more, you
have a serial number, and, voila, install on as many computers as you care
to shake a stick at.  Obviously, V F O detests and hates Window-Eyes because
it DOES NOT ENGAGE IN PRICE GOUGING, hence the reason in my view it had to
be KILLED in favour of the Big Shark!  Oh well, stupid me, this Big Shark
won't ever get a chance to BITE OFF my ears!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: Political Statement on list, was) RE: Where to find JFW Scripts

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


Seems like a suitable sign off to me.  On Sat, 3 Jun 2017, Dennis Long via 
Talk wrote:



Oh come on quit griping create a gripers  list they will be happy to hear
your complaints

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of John Farley via Talk
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2017 5:57 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Political Statement on list, was) RE: Where to find JFW Scripts

Hello list,

While I, as a UK resident, realise that there are a great many members of
this list that are patriotic citizens of the USA is the following sign-off
really a suitable statement for what is, after all, a global list for
visually impaired people all trying to help each other.
I certainly do not think so and would rather not see other list members
political opinions on this list. There are other lists for such statements.


Now follows the sign-off:


From this day forward, it's going to be only America First, America First.
President Donald Trump, Inaugural Address, 1/20/17

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RE: windows 7 help needed

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Jeff,

If you find your Windows user profile folder, you can simply highlight each of 
the folders you want desktop shortcuts for, press the Applcations key, press N 
for Send to, and then press D for desktop and then press Enter (since there's 
probably more than one item starting with D on the Send to menu).

Hth,

Rod

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Jeff Weiss via Talk
Sent: June 3, 2017 11:31 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: windows 7 help needed

In order to install jaws 18, I have had to create a new profile.
Now, for some reason, on both the new and original profile, the start menu does 
not work as before.
I am unable to arrow up and down through the start menu items—they are there as 
links that I have to click on with the mouse.

Also, on the new profile, how do I make the profile folder with downloads, 
music, etc. appear on the desktop?  I don’t want a short-cut, but I want the 
first thing on the desktop to be my profile name where I can press enter and 
find all those folders like it is on the original profile.
Any help appreciated.
Jeff Weiss

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RE: outlook with office 2016. what is going on here?

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Ted,

Some emails just don't load properly in Outlook, and so must be opened again.
I have found that some newsletter emails really only read well enough to keep 
me from needing medication (grin) by replying to them, and then I simply read 
my reply in the editor, but, of course, I don't send them.

Hth,
Rod

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Ted Larson via Talk
Sent: June 3, 2017 2:24 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: outlook with office 2016. what is going on here?

Dear List:

I am using window-eyes.  When reading emails, something has changed.  When I
open a message it says: message html.  Column 1 of 1 web layout.  Click here
to download pictures.  To help protect your privacy, outlook prevented
automatic download of some pictures in this message.  I discovered it also
removes the body of the message as well.  When I copy the message to the
clipboard and then read the clipboard, the message is there.  Otherwise, all
the email contains is hyperlink entering and leaving table stuff.Thanks for
any ideas.  Regards:  Ted Larson

 

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RE: problem with Outlook 2010

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi John,

I think this has to do with how you're used to navigating.
You must use F6 or Control-Tab to move between the tree and list views in 
Outlook 2016, rather than Tab, and add the Shift key to go backwards.
If you are in the ribbon, press Escape to get out.
Press Control-Shift- I to focus your Inbox, and this should allow you to get 
back to normalcy.

Hth,

Rod

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL via Talk
Sent: June 3, 2017 9:47 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: problem with Outlook 2010

Somenow my "navigation pane" got minimized. Now, instead of seeing all of my 
folders and mailboxes, they seem to be "minimized. If I press spacebar on the 
"navigation pane minimized" they open very briefly then close again. How do I 
fix this?

Thanks.   

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RE: JAWS, Window-Eyes, Copying In Google Chrome, Problem Resolved

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Thanks, Rebecca.
That is very helpful, and something to be aware of.

All the best,

Rod

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Rebecca Lineberger via Talk
Sent: June 4, 2017 8:01 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: JAWS, Window-Eyes, Copying In Google Chrome, Problem Resolved

I posted the below problem several days ago.  I post the solution now in
case it proves helpful to someone else.  There's so much to learn when
switching to a new screen reader that it will take a while to sort out all
the settings. 

Using the insert v quick settings menu when in Chrome, I changed the "select
and copy full content using on-screen highlight" 

to 

"from virtual cursor." 

All the article now appears in my Word document when I paste it in.

It was not necessary to change the setting in Internet Explorer.  Who knows
about Edge, when we get there.  Smile.

Also, yesterday, in trying to gain access to a "Play" graphic in JAWS, I
resolved the same issue in Window-Eyes, where I'd previously had access and
then lost it.  I'd had to switch to Chrome, but then it disappeared there
too.  Web pages are updated (redesigned) as are browsers, and accessibility
is not always guaranteed with the "improved" versions.  

The learning never ends.  Smile. 

Rebecca

To: Window-Eyes Discussion List (talk@lists.window-eyes.com)
Subject: JAWS, Window-Eyes, Copying In Google Chrome

 

I've tried repeatedly to copy several articles on different web sites using
JAWS and Google Chrome.  I tried selecting text with the shift down-arrow,
copying and pasting, an, when that did not work, setting a temporary place
marker, using JAWS find to locate the last word in the article, and placing
a marker through the layered keystroke menu and copying and pasting.  I get
a copy confirmation but when I paste the article into Word 2010 or NotePad,
I get a few lines but nothing more.

When I switch to Window-Eyes and use the F8 method to copy plain text, the
article is all there.

If I then bring up the article in Internet Explorer, the copy function works
as it should in JAWS.  Has anyone else experienced this.  I realize JAWS is
probably putting all its efforts into making Edge accessible, but I would
hope that Chrome too could be made fully functional.

There are some things that JAWS does better than Window-Eyes.  I wish the
best of both programs could be combined into one.  Smile.

For anyone who wants to play with one of the articles I was trying to copy,
here is the link:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/06/black-holes-gravitational-waves-s
pace-genius-science/

Rebecca

Windows 10 and latest versions of Window-Eyes and JAWS.

Experience is not what happens to you; it's what you do with what happens to
you.

Aldous Huxley

 

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RE: JFW Home vs Professional

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Olusegun,

There is misinformation at work here.
Someone on the list a while back said that, as home users, we can install Jaws 
as many times as necessary on our home networks.
It is simply a matter of resetting the number of installs via a web interface.
As long as we're reasonable, VFO now is as well.

Best,

Rod

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: June 3, 2017 11:42 PM
To: 'Carol and Roger' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
List' 
Subject: RE: JFW Home vs Professional

This is where and why I will miss Window-Eyes miserably!  You purchase the
software, and you pay NOTHING EXTRA to get a Pro license.  What's more, you
have a serial number, and, voila, install on as many computers as you care
to shake a stick at.  Obviously, V F O detests and hates Window-Eyes because
it DOES NOT ENGAGE IN PRICE GOUGING, hence the reason in my view it had to
be KILLED in favour of the Big Shark!  Oh well, stupid me, this Big Shark
won't ever get a chance to BITE OFF my ears!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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JAWS, Window-Eyes, Copying In Google Chrome, Problem Resolved

[Rebecca Lineberger via Talk]

I posted the below problem several days ago.  I post the solution now in
case it proves helpful to someone else.  There's so much to learn when
switching to a new screen reader that it will take a while to sort out all
the settings. 

Using the insert v quick settings menu when in Chrome, I changed the "select
and copy full content using on-screen highlight" 

to 

"from virtual cursor." 

All the article now appears in my Word document when I paste it in.

It was not necessary to change the setting in Internet Explorer.  Who knows
about Edge, when we get there.  Smile.

Also, yesterday, in trying to gain access to a "Play" graphic in JAWS, I
resolved the same issue in Window-Eyes, where I'd previously had access and
then lost it.  I'd had to switch to Chrome, but then it disappeared there
too.  Web pages are updated (redesigned) as are browsers, and accessibility
is not always guaranteed with the "improved" versions.  

The learning never ends.  Smile. 

Rebecca

To: Window-Eyes Discussion List (talk@lists.window-eyes.com)
Subject: JAWS, Window-Eyes, Copying In Google Chrome

 

I've tried repeatedly to copy several articles on different web sites using
JAWS and Google Chrome.  I tried selecting text with the shift down-arrow,
copying and pasting, an, when that did not work, setting a temporary place
marker, using JAWS find to locate the last word in the article, and placing
a marker through the layered keystroke menu and copying and pasting.  I get
a copy confirmation but when I paste the article into Word 2010 or NotePad,
I get a few lines but nothing more.

When I switch to Window-Eyes and use the F8 method to copy plain text, the
article is all there.

If I then bring up the article in Internet Explorer, the copy function works
as it should in JAWS.  Has anyone else experienced this.  I realize JAWS is
probably putting all its efforts into making Edge accessible, but I would
hope that Chrome too could be made fully functional.

There are some things that JAWS does better than Window-Eyes.  I wish the
best of both programs could be combined into one.  Smile.

For anyone who wants to play with one of the articles I was trying to copy,
here is the link:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/06/black-holes-gravitational-waves-s
pace-genius-science/

Rebecca

Windows 10 and latest versions of Window-Eyes and JAWS.

Experience is not what happens to you; it's what you do with what happens to
you.

Aldous Huxley

 

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