RE: Jaws start up

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi Dave:

One more thing:

Do you have a shortcut key set up for the JAWS shortcut on the desktop?  This 
way, if your computer is running and you don’t have JAWS running, you can still 
press the shortcut key to start jaws back up.


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From: David Crowell via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:24 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Jaws start up

Hi all, 

Well believe it or not I downloadede jaws at 1:15pm today and had my
authorization shortly after 3pm.  
So far things are going fairly well for me except for one issue.  
For some reason when I installed I set start up at the log in screen.  But a
couple of times  when I shutdown my computer then came back and turned on my
computer Jaws did not start so I had to have a sighted person help me locate
the desktop icon so I could press enter to start jaws.  

I am still trying to learn the menus of Jaws which is frustrating and I can
not find where the start up options are located so I can double check things
to make sure I have it set up properly and if not to set start up like I
want it.  

Thanks for any help it is appreciated.  Dave 
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RE: Jaws start up

[Pastor Gil Pries via Talk]

Hi Dave,
Press insert j.  Then press h or go to help.  Press z you will find the
start up settings.

Pastor Gil

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On Behalf Of David Crowell via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 4:24 PM
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Subject: Jaws start up

Hi all, 

Well believe it or not I downloadede jaws at 1:15pm today and had my
authorization shortly after 3pm.  
So far things are going fairly well for me except for one issue.  
For some reason when I installed I set start up at the log in screen.  But a
couple of times  when I shutdown my computer then came back and turned on my
computer Jaws did not start so I had to have a sighted person help me locate
the desktop icon so I could press enter to start jaws.  

I am still trying to learn the menus of Jaws which is frustrating and I can
not find where the start up options are located so I can double check things
to make sure I have it set up properly and if not to set start up like I
want it.  

Thanks for any help it is appreciated.  Dave
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Re: Jaws start up

[michael fridey via Talk]

Hi David press insert letter v then arrow to help submenu then right arrow.

Then arrow up or down till you hear run setup wizzard.

That will let you set all the option you want.

Cheers Michael.


On 28/07/2017 9:24 AM, David Crowell via Talk wrote:

Hi all,

Well believe it or not I downloadede jaws at 1:15pm today and had my
authorization shortly after 3pm.
So far things are going fairly well for me except for one issue.
For some reason when I installed I set start up at the log in screen.  But a
couple of times  when I shutdown my computer then came back and turned on my
computer Jaws did not start so I had to have a sighted person help me locate
the desktop icon so I could press enter to start jaws.

I am still trying to learn the menus of Jaws which is frustrating and I can
not find where the start up options are located so I can double check things
to make sure I have it set up properly and if not to set start up like I
want it.

Thanks for any help it is appreciated.  Dave
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Jaws start up

[David Crowell via Talk]

Hi all, 

Well believe it or not I downloadede jaws at 1:15pm today and had my
authorization shortly after 3pm.  
So far things are going fairly well for me except for one issue.  
For some reason when I installed I set start up at the log in screen.  But a
couple of times  when I shutdown my computer then came back and turned on my
computer Jaws did not start so I had to have a sighted person help me locate
the desktop icon so I could press enter to start jaws.  

I am still trying to learn the menus of Jaws which is frustrating and I can
not find where the start up options are located so I can double check things
to make sure I have it set up properly and if not to set start up like I
want it.  

Thanks for any help it is appreciated.  Dave 
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RE: JFW impression

[Pastor Gil Pries via Talk]

Hi Dave,
Press insert j, then go to help.   In help arrow up to start wizard.
You will find the settings in there.

Pastor Gil

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+gilp=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of David Crowell via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 11:07 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: JFW impression

Hi all, 

Well I finally swallowed the lump in my throat and downloaded Jaws today.  I
have to say and to some point I hate to admit it but I find Jaws pretty good
for a beginner.  I got almost everything set up like I want but the only
thing I can't find how to do is to get Jaws to stop reading all the
punctuation and only telling me the letter and number key strokes instead of
every key stroke.  

If someone can give me a little guidance it would be greatly appreciated.  


Dave 


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JFW impression

[David Crowell via Talk]

Hi all, 

Well I finally swallowed the lump in my throat and downloaded Jaws today.  I
have to say and to some point I hate to admit it but I find Jaws pretty good
for a beginner.  I got almost everything set up like I want but the only
thing I can't find how to do is to get Jaws to stop reading all the
punctuation and only telling me the letter and number key strokes instead of
every key stroke.  

If someone can give me a little guidance it would be greatly appreciated.  


Dave 


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RE: I'm Back!

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

I never left.  I did join the groups.io group, but, gmail will direct both to 
the same folder/label.

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RE: been a great ride

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Also, remember that venders even lied about Window-Eyes. They said that the
free version with office doesn't work in office, it is only a demo, it only
lasts 90 days, it only lasts for a month. These were regular lies told by
the venders.
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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Karen Poulakos via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:55 PM
To: 'Andre'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: been a great ride

I, too, am a Window-eyes hold out.  I plan to stick with WE for as long as
it works, and am going to explore my options for when I have to make the
switch.  It will not be to Jaws.

I have been a GW Micro customer since the days of Vocal-eyes.  When I
decided to go with a Windows computer, back in the 90's, I tried both Jaws
and Window-eyes.  Window-eyes was far superior.  My husband and I had a
business at that time, and Rehab was involved in helping to make things
accessible for me.  Although they were really pushing Jaws, I insisted on
Window-eyes, and they came through for me.  Rehab really didn't have much to
offer in the way of training, but The Window-eyes support was excellent.

When you stop and think about how many years Doug and Dan have invested in
GW Micro, retirement probably was a consideration.  It's just too bad things
had to end the way they did.  I was really hoping that with the Window-eyes
for Office offering, Microsoft would end up with WE, and would hire WE staff
to work for them.  I really sensed that there were going to be big changes
when that offering was made.

Karen P
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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+karen=poulakos@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Andre via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:25 PM
To: 'Sky Mundell'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: been a great ride

As someone who used GW  Micro products from the very beginning, at least
since in 1990, I miss WE already. It's a shame. Seems like perhaps Doug and
Dan were deceived by AI Squared. Just my opinion. Could be completely wrong.
It's appalling that Doug didn't have any say on whether AI Squared merged or
was bought out by VFO. That left us to be devoured by the shark. Anyway, I
just wanted to express that.

What's the NVDA list? How and where do I subscribe? I need help with that
screen reader. Thanks as always,



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 12:13 PM
To: 'Tony C'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: been a great ride

Hello Tony.  Yeah I can understand what you mean.  There are some people
where I live who have never even heard of Window-Eyes, and even if some do
here, it only by name, they haven't really had a chance to try it.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:43 AM
To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: been a great ride

Hi, I've dealth with rehab in several states and over the years nearly every
onepushed Jaws, and some even claimed to not know anything about WE. I've
also see a lot of "underhanded" things done by organization for and of the
blind. One place devised a scam to get paid for clients room and board not
only from the rehab that send client to them for trainning, but also from
section 8, they were getting paid double for clients room and board untill
the whistle got blown on them, quite by accident.

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From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 10:21 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: been a great ride

I have been a member of this list for many many years and have received lots
of help over those years.  Sadly I have moved away from Window Eyes and am
now using NVDA as well as the free transfer to Jaws.  Thanks to Doug for
getting us WE users that free Jaws as I would have never paid for Jaws.
Having made the switch I know that WE has been the best screen reader for me
and it is a dam shame that Doug and crew couldn't have done a better job of
promoting their product so they could have beaten Jaws.  Thanks to all that
have put up with me.  I am now unsubscribing from the list and hope to see
many of you on the NVDA and Jaws lists.
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Re: Good Bye

[Norene Trappa via Talk]

Hi, Pam,
I also still use WE and will as long as it will work.  The microsoft 
disability desk techs have been a great help for me.  They know tons of 
stuff about screen readers and everything else as well.

1-800-936-5900 is their number.  I wish you well.

Norene



-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 4:15 PM
To: joseph.nor...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Good Bye

I have some news.  After staying on hold for about two-and-a-half hours, I
told the guy my problem, and he said "That's weird".  I asked him if he
wanted to remote into my computer, and he said:  "I can only remote into
your computer if you are using jaws.  We don't support window eyes anymore.
I said that was interesting, because when the person answered the phone when
I called and asked me what help I needed, I said I needed somebody who could
help me with window eyes, so she gave me his line.  I was given to
understand that they would help you with window eyes for a while.  But
apparently, they have already stopped, according to the person I got.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 4:32 PM
To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Good Bye

While it might not hurt to take the JAWS offer, no one should be made to
feel foolish for not doing it, regardless of one's own opinion.  Whether to
switch to JAWS or not is Butch's prerogative.

Personally, I could not take advantage of the offer due to my version of WE
being out of date.  Voc Rehab came through for me, only because I'm in a job
search and told them WE was going away, and I needed JAWS in the job search,
so my counselor was able to justify the expense.  Now, I've just got to see
if they can get the registration in my name, as, right now, it's registered
to the Rehab agency, since that was what was on the P.O.

Now, I've got both on here, and can switch at will between Window-Eyes,
JAWS, NVDA or Narrator.

It's good to have choice, but, that is what choice is all about.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:57 PM
To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
; Dennis Long 
Subject: Re: Good Bye

And what if you find NVDA does not meet your needs in the long run?
After all, NVDA isn't made by God.  As I said, if you never use Jaws, you
can not come up with a rational justification for not taking advantage of a
free offer.

On 7/25/2017 12:01 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

I already know how jaws works, that is why when the day finally comes,
I'll learn nvda.
I've only been doing this stuff since 1983, but I guess 'm just not
smart.  Let me see, jaws is the screen reader built by God, thou shalt
not put other screen readers before me.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Tue, 25 Jul 2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:


You would be smart to take the Jaws offer and start learning it so
that when that day comes you have an idea how Jaws works.

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:57 AM
To: Patricia Krinke; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Good Bye

Hi:

Let's face it.  The Window-eyes ship is sinking and VFO is offering
us a lifeboat, albeit for a limited time, so unless you want to go
down with the ship, or try to swim through the ocean, you'd better
grab a spot in one of the available lifeboats, (I.E. JAWS, NVDA, etc.
Not that i don't use Window-eyes myself, but I am using NVDA more and
more and when I get my JAWS license, I will probably use Window-eyes
less and less.  She was a good ship, but she's gone now.  Thanks to
that big iceberg, the VFO takeover.

Kevin Huber



On 7/25/17, Patricia Krinke via Talk  wrote:

I am with you!


Trish

-Original Message-
From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:20 PM
To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Good Bye

I find it strange everyone is jumping ship.  Sure there may come a
day when I have to go to something else like nv d a, but for now,
window-eyes is working just fine.  It is fascinating how quickly
people abandond something that is still working, because some day it
may

not.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On
Mon, 24 Jul 2017, Pastor Gil Pries  via Talk wrote:


The time  has come for me to leave the list.

I am a Jaws user, and not a Window-eyes user anymore.

May all go well with all of you.



Pastor Gil

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RE: I'm Back!

[Moe Adl via Talk]

It will be nice not to over flow the email with things that are not relevant
to screen reader or things that helps others with real issues. We already
getting lots of mail as is.
Thanks.
Moe

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+madl=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Norene Trappa via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:38 AM
To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
; t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: I'm Back!

Good for you!  Welcome back!





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From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 12:17 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: I'm Back!

Hi,

I'm back!  I couldn't stand being away.



Pastor Gil

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Outlook And Window-Eyes

[Pastor Gil Pries via Talk]

Hi,

I solved my Outlook 2007 problem.

I didn't have the latest version of th installed.

 

Pastor Gile Outlook Enhansed app.

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Window-Eyes Sounds

[Steve Jacobson via Talk]

It may depend upon the version of Windows, but Window-Eyes sounds are in the
Sound Schemes in Control Panel.  It is easy to miss them.  If you arrow down
through the list of Windows sounds, you will find other software sounds as
well.  

In Windows 10, it is possible to set the volume of the sounds for particular
software packages including, I believe, muting them.  It is worth looking
for Window-Eyes sounds when Window-Eyes is running to see if that could be
the problem.  Unfortunately, it is hard to give exact steps as there are
some variations depending upon which version of Windows is being used.  I
type volume into the cortana edit box and get "Adjust System Volume as a
result.  Right now, I am running JAWS and I see JAWS sounds there.  Yes,
some of us have to switch to JAWS because Window-Eyes and JAWS works with
some of my employer's software that does not work with NVDA or Narrator.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 8:26 AM
To: 'Pamela Dominguez' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: been a great ride

I have no idea why you're having that issue.  I would think somewhere in
sounds.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:20 AM
To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: been a great ride

Ever since I downloaded jaws, suddenly my window eyes sounds are not working
when I am using window eyes; which is most of the time.  The rest of the
windows sounds seem to work, but the sounds that window eyes uses are
suddenly non-existent.  I tried to find out where they were, and can't.  Can
anybody tell me how to get them back?  That and the messages that go with
them?  Pam.

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From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:21 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: been a great ride

I have been a member of this list for many many years and have received lots
of help over those years.  Sadly I have moved away from Window Eyes and am
now using NVDA as well as the free transfer to Jaws.  Thanks to Doug for
getting us WE users that free Jaws as I would have never paid for Jaws.
Having made the switch I know that WE has been the best screen reader for me
and it is a dam shame that Doug and crew couldn't have done a better job of
promoting their product so they could have beaten Jaws.  Thanks to all that
have put up with me.  I am now unsubscribing from the list and hope to see
many of you on the NVDA and Jaws lists.
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Re: win10 driver issues was Re: Good Bye

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Before I turned off quick start, I would umload and restart window eyes 
after I was on the desktop.


-Original Message- 
From: Brenda via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 10:20 AM
To: Russ Kiehne via Talk ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: win10 driver issues was Re: Good Bye

I got what I think was a similar issue with my lenovo laptop in 2015
after I first purchased it.  After speaking with Steven Clower, or maybe
it was Chris, I now start Window-eyes after the laptop boots and I'm at
the desktop.

Can't tell you if I've had the problem since as I don't use the laptop
much, but starting w-e manually seems to work.

brendarestart it

On 7/26/2017 9:27 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
Here's the interesting thing, like you I get video driver  error tones 
when Window-Eyes launches when I bootup my computer.  This is with windows 
10 1703.  I found by turning off quick start, I no longer get the video 
driver error tones.


-Original Message- From: Orlando Enrique Fiol
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:06 PM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Good Bye

I've been in the Windows 10 insider preview program almost since its 
inception. Window-eyes has not worked for me using the past four insider 
previews, including the latest creator edition. I get video driver error 
tones upon launching Window-eyes, and many programs containing cursor and 
text on the screen are no longer read with the Window-eyes curso or mouse 
pointer.
Believe me, I was one of the most reluctant Jaws migrants. But upon 
experiencing this Window-eyes behavior, and knowing it would never be 
addressed with Window-eyes no longer in development, I had to keep 
working. All of you who think Window-eyes will work indefinitely in 
Windows 10 have obviously not yet encountered the insider previews or most 
current creator edition.

Orlando Enrique Fiol
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RE: I'm Back!

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Welcome back.

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On Behalf Of via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 5:05 AM
To: michaels mail via Talk; Pastor Gil Pries; Window-Eyes Discussion List;
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Subject: Re: I'm Back!

Hi Pastor Gil,

I must admit to having felt a little abandoned, although I do understand
your decision.

Anyway, it is wonderful to have you back. (Smile)

Keep on trucking,

Rod

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> Its nice to know we are all loved on this list.
> Smile Michael.
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> To: t...@window-eyes.com
> Subject: I'm Back!
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> Hi,
> 
> I'm back!  I couldn't stand being away.
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RE: been a great ride

[Dennis Long via Talk]

I have no idea why you're having that issue.  I would think somewhere in
sounds.

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On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:20 AM
To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: been a great ride

Ever since I downloaded jaws, suddenly my window eyes sounds are not working
when I am using window eyes; which is most of the time.  The rest of the
windows sounds seem to work, but the sounds that window eyes uses are
suddenly non-existent.  I tried to find out where they were, and can't.  Can
anybody tell me how to get them back?  That and the messages that go with
them?  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:21 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: been a great ride

I have been a member of this list for many many years and have received lots
of help over those years.  Sadly I have moved away from Window Eyes and am
now using NVDA as well as the free transfer to Jaws.  Thanks to Doug for
getting us WE users that free Jaws as I would have never paid for Jaws.
Having made the switch I know that WE has been the best screen reader for me
and it is a dam shame that Doug and crew couldn't have done a better job of
promoting their product so they could have beaten Jaws.  Thanks to all that
have put up with me.  I am now unsubscribing from the list and hope to see
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RE: I'm Back!

[Dennis Long via Talk]

They never gave a firm date that I recall.

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On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:49 AM
To: bjn...@windstream.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: I'm Back!

If what I saw when I called them for window eyes help on Tuesday is any kind
of a barometer, I don't hold out much hope.  They appear to be slamming the
door on window eyes a lot faster than they said they would.  pam.

-Original Message-
From: Brenda via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 1:24 PM
To: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Subject: Re: I'm Back!

Glad you came back :) Hopefully VFO will keep this list around as
transitioning to jaws will take time.  Since you are "bilingual" your
expertise will be helpful.
Brenda

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Re: Good Bye

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

IN my case when I had it happen, all I had to do is unload and restart window 
eyes and the issue was fixed.

From: Loy 
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 7:44 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Good Bye

When I have gotten the tones, I have went to the WE control panel and apps and 
diagnostics and did a repair of the win 10 display driver.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Russ Kiehne via Talk 
  To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 10:30 AM
  Subject: Re: Good Bye

  When I get those tones, it does effect how window eyes works with windows 
  live mail.  Window eyes doesn't say things like, read, unread replied to 
  etc. when arrowing up and down the message list.

  -Original Message- 
  From: Tony C
  Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 6:58 AM
  To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: Good Bye

  Hi, I get those tones sometimes also, but they have not affected the
  workings at all, so I haven't worried about it. When it's time for a new PC
  however I do believe I'm going to get a Mac. Jaws is just so much more
  cumbersom than WE. And, like I've said before I've never really had a good
  experience with Freedom anytime I had to call them.

  -Original Message- 
  From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
  Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:27 AM
  To: of...@verizon.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: Good Bye

  Here's the interesting thing, like you I get video driver  error tones when
  Window-Eyes launches when I bootup my computer.  This is with windows 10
  1703.  I found by turning off quick start, I no longer get the video driver
  error tones.

  -Original Message- 
  From: Orlando Enrique Fiol
  Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:06 PM
  To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: Good Bye

  I've been in the Windows 10 insider preview program almost since its
  inception. Window-eyes has not worked for me using the past four insider
  previews, including the latest creator edition. I get video driver error
  tones upon launching Window-eyes, and many programs containing cursor and
  text on the screen are no longer read with the Window-eyes curso or mouse
  pointer.
  Believe me, I was one of the most reluctant Jaws migrants. But upon
  experiencing this Window-eyes behavior, and knowing it would never be
  addressed with Window-eyes no longer in development, I had to keep working.
  All of you who think Window-eyes will work indefinitely in Windows 10 have
  obviously not yet encountered the insider previews or most current creator
  edition.
  Orlando Enrique Fiol

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Re: been a great ride

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Ever since I downloaded jaws, suddenly my window eyes sounds are not working 
when I am using window eyes; which is most of the time.  The rest of the 
windows sounds seem to work, but the sounds that window eyes uses are 
suddenly non-existent.  I tried to find out where they were, and can't.  Can 
anybody tell me how to get them back?  That and the messages that go with 
them?  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Don H via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:21 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: been a great ride

I have been a member of this list for many many years and have received
lots of help over those years.  Sadly I have moved away from Window Eyes
and am now using NVDA as well as the free transfer to Jaws.  Thanks to
Doug for getting us WE users that free Jaws as I would have never paid
for Jaws.  Having made the switch I know that WE has been the best
screen reader for me and it is a dam shame that Doug and crew couldn't
have done a better job of promoting their product so they could have
beaten Jaws.  Thanks to all that have put up with me.  I am now
unsubscribing from the list and hope to see many of you on the NVDA and
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Re: I'm Back!

[via Talk]

Hi Pastor Gil,

I must admit to having felt a little abandoned, although I do understand your 
decision.

Anyway, it is wonderful to have you back. (Smile)

Keep on trucking,

Rod

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> Its nice to know we are all loved on this list.
> Smile Michael.
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> Subject: I'm Back!
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> I'm back!  I couldn't stand being away.
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RE: been a great ride

[Karen Poulakos via Talk]

I, too, am a Window-eyes hold out.  I plan to stick with WE for as long as
it works, and am going to explore my options for when I have to make the
switch.  It will not be to Jaws.

I have been a GW Micro customer since the days of Vocal-eyes.  When I
decided to go with a Windows computer, back in the 90's, I tried both Jaws
and Window-eyes.  Window-eyes was far superior.  My husband and I had a
business at that time, and Rehab was involved in helping to make things
accessible for me.  Although they were really pushing Jaws, I insisted on 
Window-eyes, and they came through for me.  Rehab really didn't have much to
offer in the way of training, but The Window-eyes support was excellent.

When you stop and think about how many years Doug and Dan have invested in
GW Micro, retirement probably was a consideration.  It's just too bad things
had to end the way they did.  I was really hoping that with the Window-eyes
for Office offering, Microsoft would end up with WE, and would hire WE staff
to work for them.  I really sensed that there were going to be big changes
when that offering was made.

Karen P
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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+karen=poulakos@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Andre via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:25 PM
To: 'Sky Mundell'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: been a great ride

As someone who used GW  Micro products from the very beginning, at least
since in 1990, I miss WE already. It's a shame. Seems like perhaps Doug and
Dan were deceived by AI Squared. Just my opinion. Could be completely wrong.
It's appalling that Doug didn't have any say on whether AI Squared merged or
was bought out by VFO. That left us to be devoured by the shark. Anyway, I
just wanted to express that.

What's the NVDA list? How and where do I subscribe? I need help with that
screen reader. Thanks as always,



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On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 12:13 PM
To: 'Tony C'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: been a great ride

Hello Tony.  Yeah I can understand what you mean.  There are some people
where I live who have never even heard of Window-Eyes, and even if some do
here, it only by name, they haven't really had a chance to try it.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:43 AM
To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: been a great ride

Hi, I've dealth with rehab in several states and over the years nearly every
onepushed Jaws, and some even claimed to not know anything about WE. I've
also see a lot of "underhanded" things done by organization for and of the
blind. One place devised a scam to get paid for clients room and board not
only from the rehab that send client to them for trainning, but also from
section 8, they were getting paid double for clients room and board untill
the whistle got blown on them, quite by accident.

-Original Message-
From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 10:21 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: been a great ride

I have been a member of this list for many many years and have received lots
of help over those years.  Sadly I have moved away from Window Eyes and am
now using NVDA as well as the free transfer to Jaws.  Thanks to Doug for
getting us WE users that free Jaws as I would have never paid for Jaws.
Having made the switch I know that WE has been the best screen reader for me
and it is a dam shame that Doug and crew couldn't have done a better job of
promoting their product so they could have beaten Jaws.  Thanks to all that
have put up with me.  I am now unsubscribing from the list and hope to see
many of you on the NVDA and Jaws lists.
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