date:20170909

RE: question about re installing wineyes

2017-09-09 Thread Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Josh wrote:

"hey olusegun, any chance of getting the window eye source code?"

Hmm, chief, I'm not that smart!  Be that as it may, I do enjoy venturing
into the wacky world of legalese and trying to make sense of it as best I
can.  Maybe V F O will hide Window-Eyes for another 50 years; I'll be close
to being gone then and all I'll be able to do is inspect my 9 feet space and
begin creeping into it slowly.  

Oh well, in that period of time, if things continue as they are now, Apple,
Google and Windows may eat everything up.  The next generation of blind
individuals will probably barely care about throwing darts at Window-Eyes
and its long-lost friends!

Anyway, if I happen to reincarnate, I'll bring back with me a better brain
and be a lot more smarter than I am presently.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: window-eyes open source?

2017-09-09 Thread Josh Kennedy via Talk

What about termites that live in the court room? is that what you said?
I guess termites could live in courtrooms, couldn't they?

On 9/9/2017 10:37 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:
NVDA is fine to use. I like its business model better than VFO's
business model.

On 9/9/2017 10:14 PM, mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo via Talk
wrote:

your brakeing the law! you court room jude judy or juje patricia
dimigao in the court room

On 9/9/17, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Your question makes absolutely no sense in the context of this
discussion. NVDA's business model has no correlation to VFO's ownership
of Window-Eyes.

On 9/9/2017 9:40 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

then how does NVDA work the way it does? and how is it so successful?

On 9/9/2017 9:37 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Your board of directors would not allow you to spend a pile of money
to purchase your competitor and then allow you to put that competitor
right back in business against you. And no business owner with a drop
of sense would want to do it anyway. Businesses like Apple, google,
and Microsoft buy a heap of smaller businesses every year. They don't
do so to turn around and give them away. FS is no doubt picking
through the Window-Eyes code looking for ways to improve JAWS or
features to add.

On 9/9/2017 9:19 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
if I no longer cared about the product then yes I probably would
turn

around and just open source it. if the product was no longer
supported by my business I'd just tell people do what you want with
it, we moved on. take it apart, open source it, whatever. we do not
care.

On 9/9/2017 9:14 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

No. Think about it. If you were in business and bought your number
one competitor would you turn around and give it away for someone
else to continue its development?

On 9/9/2017 9:01 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:

Is there any possibility since window eyes is no longer supported
to get the window-eyes source code make it open source and put it
up on the github website? then other developers could keep
developing window eyes.

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Re: window-eyes open source?

2017-09-09 Thread Josh Kennedy via Talk

NVDA is fine to use. I like its business model better than VFO's
business model.

On 9/9/2017 10:14 PM, mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo via Talk wrote:

your brakeing the law! you court room jude judy or juje patricia
dimigao in the court room

On 9/9/17, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Your question makes absolutely no sense in the context of this
discussion. NVDA's business model has no correlation to VFO's ownership
of Window-Eyes.

On 9/9/2017 9:40 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

then how does NVDA work the way it does? and how is it so successful?

On 9/9/2017 9:37 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

On 9/9/2017 9:19 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

if I no longer cared about the product then yes I probably would turn
around and just open source it. if the product was no longer
supported by my business I'd just tell people do what you want with
it, we moved on. take it apart, open source it, whatever. we do not
care.

On 9/9/2017 9:14 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

No. Think about it. If you were in business and bought your number
one competitor would you turn around and give it away for someone
else to continue its development?

On 9/9/2017 9:01 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:

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Re: window-eyes open source?

2017-09-09 Thread mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo via Talk

your brakeing the law! you court room jude judy or juje patricia
dimigao in the court room

On 9/9/17, Tom Kingston via Talk  wrote:
> Your question makes absolutely no sense in the context of this
> discussion. NVDA's business model has no correlation to VFO's ownership
> of Window-Eyes.
>
>
> On 9/9/2017 9:40 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
>> then how does NVDA work the way it does? and how is it so successful?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/9/2017 9:37 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
>>> Your board of directors would not allow you to spend a pile of money
>>> to purchase your competitor and then allow you to put that competitor
>>> right back in business against you. And no business owner with a drop
>>> of sense would want to do it anyway. Businesses like Apple, google,
>>> and Microsoft buy a heap of smaller businesses every year. They don't
>>> do so to turn around and give them away. FS is no doubt picking
>>> through the Window-Eyes code looking for ways to improve JAWS or
>>> features to add.
>>>
>>> On 9/9/2017 9:19 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
 if I no longer cared about the product then yes I probably would turn
 around and just open source it. if the product was no longer
 supported by my business I'd just tell people do what you want with
 it, we moved on. take it apart, open source it, whatever. we do not
 care.



 On 9/9/2017 9:14 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
> No. Think about it. If you were in business and bought your number
> one competitor would you turn around and give it away for someone
> else to continue its development?
>
>
> On 9/9/2017 9:01 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:
>> hi
>>
>> Is there any possibility since window eyes is no longer supported
>> to get the window-eyes source code make it open source and put it
>> up on the github website? then other developers could keep
>> developing window eyes.
>>
>>
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Re: window-eyes open source?

2017-09-09 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk

Your question makes absolutely no sense in the context of this
discussion. NVDA's business model has no correlation to VFO's ownership
of Window-Eyes.

On 9/9/2017 9:40 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

then how does NVDA work the way it does? and how is it so successful?

On 9/9/2017 9:37 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
Your board of directors would not allow you to spend a pile of money
to purchase your competitor and then allow you to put that competitor
right back in business against you. And no business owner with a drop
of sense would want to do it anyway. Businesses like Apple, google,
and Microsoft buy a heap of smaller businesses every year. They don't
do so to turn around and give them away. FS is no doubt picking
through the Window-Eyes code looking for ways to improve JAWS or
features to add.

On 9/9/2017 9:19 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
if I no longer cared about the product then yes I probably would turn
around and just open source it. if the product was no longer
supported by my business I'd just tell people do what you want with
it, we moved on. take it apart, open source it, whatever. we do not
care.

On 9/9/2017 9:14 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
No. Think about it. If you were in business and bought your number
one competitor would you turn around and give it away for someone
else to continue its development?

On 9/9/2017 9:01 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:

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Re: window-eyes open source?

2017-09-09 Thread Pamela Dominguez via Talk

It didn't start out with the same business model as window eyes did.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Josh Kennedy via Talk

Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2017 9:40 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: Re: window-eyes open source?

then how does NVDA work the way it does? and how is it so successful?

On 9/9/2017 9:37 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
Your board of directors would not allow you to spend a pile of money to 
purchase your competitor and then allow you to put that competitor right 
back in business against you. And no business owner with a drop of sense 
would want to do it anyway. Businesses like Apple, google, and Microsoft 
buy a heap of smaller businesses every year. They don't do so to turn 
around and give them away. FS is no doubt picking through the Window-Eyes 
code looking for ways to improve JAWS or features to add.

On 9/9/2017 9:19 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
if I no longer cared about the product then yes I probably would turn 
around and just open source it. if the product was no longer supported by 
my business I'd just tell people do what you want with it, we moved on. 
take it apart, open source it, whatever. we do not care.

On 9/9/2017 9:14 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
No. Think about it. If you were in business and bought your number one 
competitor would you turn around and give it away for someone else to 
continue its development?

On 9/9/2017 9:01 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:

hi

Is there any possibility since window eyes is no longer supported to 
get the window-eyes source code make it open source and put it up on 
the github website? then other developers could keep developing window 
eyes.

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Re: window-eyes open source?

2017-09-09 Thread Pamela Dominguez via Talk

You have never run a business.  Neither have I, but as has been said before, 
take this example: you, a business owner,  paid money for this
product.  Your main reason for doing that was that you wanted to put it out 
of business, to cut out the competition.  So what kind of sense does it make 
that you would spend the money on it, then give it away?  Pam.-Original 
Message- 
From: Josh Kennedy via Talk

Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2017 9:19 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: Re: window-eyes open source?

if I no longer cared about the product then yes I probably would turn
around and just open source it. if the product was no longer supported
by my business I'd just tell people do what you want with it, we moved
on. take it apart, open source it, whatever. we do not care.

On 9/9/2017 9:14 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
No. Think about it. If you were in business and bought your number one 
competitor would you turn around and give it away for someone else to 
continue its development?

On 9/9/2017 9:01 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:

hi

Is there any possibility since window eyes is no longer supported to get 
the window-eyes source code make it open source and put it up on the 
github website? then other developers could keep developing window eyes.

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Re: window-eyes open source?

2017-09-09 Thread Josh Kennedy via Talk

then how does NVDA work the way it does? and how is it so successful?

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Re: window-eyes open source?

2017-09-09 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk

Your board of directors would not allow you to spend a pile of money to
purchase your competitor and then allow you to put that competitor right
back in business against you. And no business owner with a drop of sense
would want to do it anyway. Businesses like Apple, google, and Microsoft
buy a heap of smaller businesses every year. They don't do so to turn
around and give them away. FS is no doubt picking through the
Window-Eyes code looking for ways to improve JAWS or features to add.

On 9/9/2017 9:19 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
if I no longer cared about the product then yes I probably would turn
around and just open source it. if the product was no longer supported
by my business I'd just tell people do what you want with it, we moved
on. take it apart, open source it, whatever. we do not care.

On 9/9/2017 9:14 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
No. Think about it. If you were in business and bought your number one
competitor would you turn around and give it away for someone else to
continue its development?

On 9/9/2017 9:01 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:

Is there any possibility since window eyes is no longer supported to
get the window-eyes source code make it open source and put it up on
the github website? then other developers could keep developing
window eyes.

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Re: question about re installing wineyes

2017-09-09 Thread Josh Kennedy via Talk

thing is they can't kill window eyes as long as people choose to use it. 
and if people keep sharing and passing it around then it won't die. if 
NVDA can only get network installs and citrix support it'll really cut 
into the jaws profits.




On 9/9/2017 9:20 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
Businesses buy other businesses every day to either kill the 
competition or incorporate the technology into their own product 
lines. VFO bought AI Squared to kill Window-Eyes and replace their bad 
screen magnification program with the best selling ZoomText.


On 9/9/2017 9:11 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:
when stuff is no longer supported it should really be open source 
otherwise it will be lost to time.


On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Russ and all,

As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you 
install Window-Eyes.
Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this 
thread seems to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of 
Window-Eyes, I think you'll run into copyright infringement if you 
do this.


Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Russ Kiehne 
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's the
serial number that matters.

-Original Message-
From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
the name and any other information that is asked for during 
installation

would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your copy
and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would 
still be

a demo copy.


On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person 
would
still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't 
this

correct?

On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]

  wrote:

Hi Loy,

Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it 
would be
okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because 
it was

no longer being developed.
I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Loy 
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some
countries you had to have a dongle.
    - Original Message -
    From: Rod Hutton via Talk
    To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
    Cc: Rod Hutton
    Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
    Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


    Hi Loy,

    If you truly know this, then, that's fine.
    I don't feel as certain about this as you seem to be.
    If you can explain this a bit, I'd appreciate it.

    Best,

    Rod

    -Original Message-
    From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
    Sent: September 8, 2017 10:40 AM
    To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
    Cc: Loy 
    Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

    There has never been an online activation. I doubt that you 
can get a
downloadable copy from VFO now, but if you can get a copy from 
someone

else then you could install it. Being it is no longer being sold or
developed then using some one else's copy would not matter.
  - Original Message -
  From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA
  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:24 AM
  Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


  And then after installation of WE how about the online 
activation?


  -Original Message-
  From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

Behalf Of aad leeflang via Talk
  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 12:07 PM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: aad leeflang
  Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

  ok thanks
  i used window eyes 9.4 on my old pc but i did not get a cd 
newer

than 9.0.
  i downloadee most versions.
  but how do i get a more acurate version though?
  or is there a way to copy the files from my old pc to my new 
pc.

  i guess not.
  aad
  On Fri, 8 Sep 2017

Re: question about re installing wineyes

2017-09-09 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk

Businesses buy other businesses every day to either kill the competition 
or incorporate the technology into their own product lines. VFO bought 
AI Squared to kill Window-Eyes and replace their bad screen 
magnification program with the best selling ZoomText.

On 9/9/2017 9:11 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:
when stuff is no longer supported it should really be open source 
otherwise it will be lost to time.

On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Russ and all,

As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you 
install Window-Eyes.
Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread 
seems to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes, I 
think you'll run into copyright infringement if you do this.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Russ Kiehne 
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's the
serial number that matters.

-Original Message-
From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
the name and any other information that is asked for during installation
would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your copy
and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still be
a demo copy.

On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person would
still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this
correct?

On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]

  wrote:

Hi Loy,

Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be
okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it was
no longer being developed.
I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Loy 
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some
countries you had to have a dongle.
- Original Message -
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

Hi Loy,

If you truly know this, then, that's fine.
I don't feel as certain about this as you seem to be.
If you can explain this a bit, I'd appreciate it.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: September 8, 2017 10:40 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Loy 
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

There has never been an online activation. I doubt that you can 
get a

downloadable copy from VFO now, but if you can get a copy from someone
else then you could install it. Being it is no longer being sold or
developed then using some one else's copy would not matter.
  - Original Message -
  From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA
  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:24 AM
  Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

  And then after installation of WE how about the online 
activation?

  -Original Message-
  From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of aad leeflang via Talk
  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 12:07 PM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: aad leeflang
  Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

  ok thanks
  i used window eyes 9.4 on my old pc but i did not get a cd newer
than 9.0.
  i downloadee most versions.
  but how do i get a more acurate version though?
  or is there a way to copy the files from my old pc to my new pc.
  i guess not.
  aad
  On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 09:46:16 +
  Rod Hutton via Talk  wrote:

  > Hi Aad,
  >
  > In order to install Window-Eyes for Windows 10, you require at
least version 9.2.
  >
  > Hth,
  >
  > Rod
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Talk
  >

Re: window-eyes open source?

2017-09-09 Thread Josh Kennedy via Talk

if I no longer cared about the product then yes I probably would turn
around and just open source it. if the product was no longer supported
by my business I'd just tell people do what you want with it, we moved
on. take it apart, open source it, whatever. we do not care.

On 9/9/2017 9:14 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
No. Think about it. If you were in business and bought your number one
competitor would you turn around and give it away for someone else to
continue its development?

On 9/9/2017 9:01 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:

Is there any possibility since window eyes is no longer supported to
get the window-eyes source code make it open source and put it up on
the github website? then other developers could keep developing
window eyes.

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Re: question about re installing wineyes

2017-09-09 Thread Josh Kennedy via Talk

hey olusegun, any chance of getting the window eye source code?

On 9/9/2017 3:20 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
wrote:

Copyrights can, and do expire! That's why there are so many free books out
there in the wilderness! Since V F O or whatever name it calls itself no
longer supports or develops Window-Eyes, any copyright it may claim, if not
now, will eventually become useless and worthless!

Have you heard of Just Click? Well, Amazon patented it almost forever.
This patent just expired and Amazon can't stop anyone from using or
modifying it for use on any product including the world wide web.

A good question for V F O or its functionaries will be how to convince a
court that its copyright of Window-Eyes is still valid when the product is
NO LONGER being developed. Should be interesting, but I believe they'll
lose their teeth in the process!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: question about re installing wineyes

2017-09-09 Thread Josh Kennedy via Talk

I installed jaws today to check out what's new. was not impressed, 
uninstalled it. Whenever I get the money saved up I'd rather donate that 
$1200 to NVDA.




On 9/9/2017 2:33 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Thanks, Carol.

That's what I assume, and so why I'm counselling caution about distributing 
Window-Eyes even though VFO claims that it will no longer be developed.
Besides, being their product, they can do whatever they want with Window-Eyes 
in the future, even resurrect it, should they choose to do so.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: September 9, 2017 2:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Hi Rod,

Yes, you are correct.  Even if the company is gone, the copywright is
still there.  It is the same as a person writing a book.  The book can
be copywrighted for as long as someone wishes to keep it going.  So, AI
may have forwarded the copywright which would now fall on VFO to
continue to maintain that, even though the product is no longer being
distributed.

Carol


On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Russ and all,

As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you install 
Window-Eyes.
Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread seems to 
entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes, I think you'll run 
into copyright infringement if you do this.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Russ Kiehne 
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's the
serial number that matters.

-Original Message-
From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
the name and any other information that is asked for during installation
would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your copy
and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still be
a demo copy.


On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person would
still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this
correct?

On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]

   wrote:

Hi Loy,

Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be
okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it was
no longer being developed.
I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Loy 
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some
countries you had to have a dongle.
 - Original Message -
 From: Rod Hutton via Talk
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: Rod Hutton
 Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
 Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


 Hi Loy,

 If you truly know this, then, that's fine.
 I don't feel as certain about this as you seem to be.
 If you can explain this a bit, I'd appreciate it.

 Best,

 Rod

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
 Sent: September 8, 2017 10:40 AM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
 Cc: Loy 
 Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

 There has never been an online activation. I doubt that you can get a
downloadable copy from VFO now, but if you can get a copy from someone
else then you could install it. Being it is no longer being sold or
developed then using some one else's copy would not matter.
   - Original Message -
   From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA
   Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:24 AM
   Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


   And then after installation of WE how about the online activation?

   -Original Message-
   From: Talk

Re: question about re installing wineyes

2017-09-09 Thread Josh Kennedy via Talk

once NVDA has network install and remote citrix support it will probably 
put the high priced jaws and others out of business. free with donations 
is best.




On 9/9/2017 2:33 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Thanks, Carol.

That's what I assume, and so why I'm counselling caution about distributing 
Window-Eyes even though VFO claims that it will no longer be developed.
Besides, being their product, they can do whatever they want with Window-Eyes 
in the future, even resurrect it, should they choose to do so.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: September 9, 2017 2:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Hi Rod,

Yes, you are correct.  Even if the company is gone, the copywright is
still there.  It is the same as a person writing a book.  The book can
be copywrighted for as long as someone wishes to keep it going.  So, AI
may have forwarded the copywright which would now fall on VFO to
continue to maintain that, even though the product is no longer being
distributed.

Carol


On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Russ and all,

As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you install 
Window-Eyes.
Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread seems to 
entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes, I think you'll run 
into copyright infringement if you do this.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Russ Kiehne 
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's the
serial number that matters.

-Original Message-
From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
the name and any other information that is asked for during installation
would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your copy
and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still be
a demo copy.


On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person would
still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this
correct?

On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]

   wrote:

Hi Loy,

Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be
okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it was
no longer being developed.
I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Loy 
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some
countries you had to have a dongle.
 - Original Message -
 From: Rod Hutton via Talk
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: Rod Hutton
 Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
 Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


 Hi Loy,

 If you truly know this, then, that's fine.
 I don't feel as certain about this as you seem to be.
 If you can explain this a bit, I'd appreciate it.

 Best,

 Rod

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
 Sent: September 8, 2017 10:40 AM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
 Cc: Loy 
 Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

 There has never been an online activation. I doubt that you can get a
downloadable copy from VFO now, but if you can get a copy from someone
else then you could install it. Being it is no longer being sold or
developed then using some one else's copy would not matter.
   - Original Message -
   From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA
   Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:24 AM
   Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


   And then after installation of WE how about the online activation?

   -Original Message-
   From: Talk

Re: window-eyes open source?

2017-09-09 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk

No. Think about it. If you were in business and bought your number one 
competitor would you turn around and give it away for someone else to 
continue its development?



On 9/9/2017 9:01 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:

hi

Is there any possibility since window eyes is no longer supported to get 
the window-eyes source code make it open source and put it up on the 
github website? then other developers could keep developing window eyes.




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Re: question about re installing wineyes

2017-09-09 Thread Josh Kennedy via Talk

when stuff is no longer supported it should really be open source 
otherwise it will be lost to time.

On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Russ and all,

As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you install 
Window-Eyes.
Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread seems to 
entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes, I think you'll run 
into copyright infringement if you do this.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Russ Kiehne 
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's the
serial number that matters.

-Original Message-
From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
the name and any other information that is asked for during installation
would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your copy
and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still be
a demo copy.

On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person would
still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this
correct?

On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]

  wrote:

Hi Loy,

Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be
okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it was
no longer being developed.
I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Loy 
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some
countries you had to have a dongle.
- Original Message -
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

Hi Loy,

If you truly know this, then, that's fine.
I don't feel as certain about this as you seem to be.
If you can explain this a bit, I'd appreciate it.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: September 8, 2017 10:40 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Loy 
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

There has never been an online activation. I doubt that you can get a
downloadable copy from VFO now, but if you can get a copy from someone
else then you could install it. Being it is no longer being sold or
developed then using some one else's copy would not matter.
  - Original Message -
  From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA
  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:24 AM
  Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

  And then after installation of WE how about the online activation?

  -Original Message-
  From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of aad leeflang via Talk
  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 12:07 PM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: aad leeflang
  Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

  ok thanks
  i used window eyes 9.4 on my old pc but i did not get a cd newer
than 9.0.
  i downloadee most versions.
  but how do i get a more acurate version though?
  or is there a way to copy the files from my old pc to my new pc.
  i guess not.
  aad
  On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 09:46:16 +
  Rod Hutton via Talk  wrote:

  > Hi Aad,
  >
  > In order to install Window-Eyes for Windows 10, you require at
least version 9.2.
  >
  > Hth,
  >
  > Rod
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Talk
  > [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On
  > Behalf Of aad leeflang via Talk
  > Sent: September 8, 2017 5:15 AM
  > To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
  > Cc: aad leeflang 
  > Subject: question about re installing wineyes
  >
  > hello all
  > i have

Re: really impressed with Jaws2018

2017-09-09 Thread Josh Kennedy via Talk

one thing I like about NVDA is it has a sort of app central website you 
just go there and every app and addon is in one place.




On 9/8/2017 10:07 PM, Debby Franson via Talk wrote:

Hi Darrell or anyone!

So, that means that I would have to know what script I am looking for 
exactly, or I wouldn't be able to find  it?


Is there a way to find out when a new script is released such as an FS 
news only list or if I supscribed to one of the JAWS lists?


App Central is great. It's too bad no one ever thought of having a 
scrip central for JAWS users.


Debby

At 09:07 PM 8/30/2017, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote

No, the only way to get them is to go finding them on the internet.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Paulette Vickery via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:06 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Paulette Vickery 
Subject: RE: really impressed with Jaws2018

Okay, but is there a list of scripts, free or for purchase, from 
which to make selections?


Paulette

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:23 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Darrell Bowles
Subject: RE: really impressed with Jaws2018

Some scripts you have to pay for and some even are done in this SMA 
style of pricing.



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Paulette Vickery via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:19 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Paulette Vickery 
Subject: RE: really impressed with Jaws2018

Hi David,

Window Eyes had a heading or department known as APP CENTRAL. This is 
where you could find apps that had been developed for Window Eyes and 
I presume approved by the program developers for use by everyone.  It 
was easy to look through the collected apps and find ones that looked 
interesting and put them on your computer.
From what I understand, there is no such collection in what in JAWS 
is called scripts, which can be browsed through to find scripts that 
are interesting and can be installed on individual computers.
If this is true, what is the use in writing scripts if only a select 
few can find them. They should all be kept in one, easy to locate 
place for general use.

Thank you for answering my question.

Paulette

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of David Moore via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 6:20 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: David Moore
Subject: RE: really impressed with Jaws2018

Hi all!
I just listened to the latest FS Cast for JAWS 2018 as well, and it 
is the best version of JAWS that has come out in years. I have been a 
JAWS user since 2001 with version 3.7 LOL! I would say that the 
features that are being included in this 2018 version, are the best 
since version 12. That is a long time ago. JAWS will now do pretty 
much of what Open Book does, but just not advanced. You can use JAWS 
2018 to scan .JPG images, and JAWS will read any text to you that is 
in that image. You are in virtual PC cursor mode, so you can copy and 
paste the text into a Word document. The new installer will be very 
good as well. When JAWS updates throughout the year, only the new fix 
will be installed instead of an entire new copy of JAWS.

This will save a lot of time with a slow internet connection!
Give this FS Cast a listen!
I feel for all of you, but once you get used to this new version of 
JAWS, you will slowly forget Window Eyes. JAWS, and a laptop web cam, 
will now act like KNFB reader on the iPhone. You can just use the Web 
Cam on your laptop, take a picture of print, and JAWS will do the 
OCR. This is very powerful.

Take care, guys!
Please ask me any questions, because I even script for JAWS.
David Moore
Email:
jesusloves1...@gmail.com
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 2:28 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: really impressed with Jaws2018

I just listened to the FS cast for Jaws 2018.  You can set verbosity 
levels for what is spoken on the web.  You can take a picture of a 
file and ocr it with Jaws very impressed.


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Re: question about re installing wineyes

2017-09-09 Thread Josh Kennedy via Talk

if we is no longer sold supported or activated then maybe we should try 
and get its source code and put it up on github so others can develop 
window eyes as an open source project.




On 9/8/2017 12:55 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:

If you use a purchased fully downloaded copy of WE  or a CD that copy will have 
the Serial number included in the installation copy and there is not an 
activation. If you are talking about the Free for office version, I don't know 
how this was activated. But purchased copies never had to be activated, you 
could install on as many computers as you wish. WE is no longer sold, 
supported, updated.
   - Original Message -
   From: brice Mijares via Talk
   To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
   Cc: brice Mijares
   Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 12:44 PM
   Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes


   If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person would
   still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this
   correct?

   On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]

 wrote:
   > Hi Loy,
   >
   > Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be 
okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it was no longer 
being developed.
   > I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore, 
infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.
   >
   > Thanks,
   >
   > Rod
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
Loy via Talk
   > Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
   > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
   > Cc: Loy 
   > Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
   >
   > If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some 
countries you had to have a dongle.
   >- Original Message -
   >From: Rod Hutton via Talk
   >To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   >Cc: Rod Hutton
   >Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
   >Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes
   >
   >
   >Hi Loy,
   >
   >If you truly know this, then, that's fine.
   >I don't feel as certain about this as you seem to be.
   >If you can explain this a bit, I'd appreciate it.
   >
   >Best,
   >
   >Rod
   >
   >-Original Message-
   >From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
Loy via Talk
   >Sent: September 8, 2017 10:40 AM
   >To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
   >Cc: Loy 
   >Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
   >
   >There has never been an online activation. I doubt that you can get a 
downloadable copy from VFO now, but if you can get a copy from someone else then 
you could install it. Being it is no longer being sold or developed then using 
some one else's copy would not matter.
   >  - Original Message -
   >  From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
   >  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   >  Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA
   >  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:24 AM
   >  Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes
   >
   >
   >  And then after installation of WE how about the online activation?
   >
   >  -Original Message-
   >  From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
aad leeflang via Talk
   >  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 12:07 PM
   >  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   >  Cc: aad leeflang
   >  Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
   >
   >  ok thanks
   >  i used window eyes 9.4 on my old pc but i did not get a cd newer than 
9.0.
   >  i downloadee most versions.
   >  but how do i get a more acurate version though?
   >  or is there a way to copy the files from my old pc to my new pc.
   >  i guess not.
   >  aad
   >  On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 09:46:16 +
   >  Rod Hutton via Talk  wrote:
   >
   >  > Hi Aad,
   >  >
   >  > In order to install Window-Eyes for Windows 10, you require at 
least version 9.2.
   >  >
   >  > Hth,
   >  >
   >  > Rod
   >  >
   >  > -Original Message-
   >  > From: Talk
   >  > [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On
   >  > Behalf Of aad leeflang via Talk
   >  > Sent: September 8, 2017 5:15 AM
   >  > To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
   >  > Cc: aad leeflang 
   >  > Subject: question about re installing wineyes
   >  >
   >  > hello all
   >  > i have moved to a new pc with windows 10.
   >  > i wanted to re-install window eyes but i get a message that it does
   >  > not work under windows 10.
   >  > i had the cd version 9.0.
   >  > is

Re: question about re installing wineyes

2017-09-09 Thread Josh Kennedy via Talk

you can still get window eyes from www.windoweyesforoffice.com

On 9/8/2017 10:40 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:

There has never been an online activation. I doubt that you can get a 
downloadable copy from VFO now, but if you can get a copy from someone else 
then you could install it. Being it is no longer being sold or developed then 
using some one else's copy would not matter.
   - Original Message -
   From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA
   Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:24 AM
   Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

   And then after installation of WE how about the online activation?

   -Original Message-
   From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of aad leeflang via Talk
   Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 12:07 PM
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Cc: aad leeflang
   Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

   ok thanks
   i used window eyes 9.4 on my old pc but i did not get a cd newer than 9.0.
   i downloadee most versions.
   but how do i get a more acurate version though?
   or is there a way to copy the files from my old pc to my new pc.
   i guess not.
   aad
   On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 09:46:16 +
   Rod Hutton via Talk  wrote:

   > Hi Aad,
   >
   > In order to install Window-Eyes for Windows 10, you require at least 
version 9.2.
   >
   > Hth,
   >
   > Rod
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: Talk
   > [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
   > Behalf Of aad leeflang via Talk
   > Sent: September 8, 2017 5:15 AM
   > To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
   > Cc: aad leeflang 
   > Subject: question about re installing wineyes
   >
   > hello all
   > i have moved to a new pc with windows 10.
   > i wanted to re-install window eyes but i get a message that it does
   > not work under windows 10.
   > i had the cd version 9.0.
   > is there a way to get an fresh installation cd for window eyes so that
   > i re install it?
   > there are still some issues with jaws that don't work well and could
   > work better with window eyes.
   > anyway i still don't understand why people think that jaws sould be
   > better tan window eyes anyway.
   > aad
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window-eyes open source?

2017-09-09 Thread Josh Kennedy via Talk


hi

Is there any possibility since window eyes is no longer supported to get 
the window-eyes source code make it open source and put it up on the 
github website? then other developers could keep developing window eyes.



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Re: question about re installing wineyes

2017-09-09 Thread David via Talk

Big question is, of course, to what extend VFO really has taken over the 
Copyright of WinEyes. If you notice in the latest installation, it still 
says the Copyright is for AISquared. To what extend does VFO own the 
Copyrights under that company name? An owner might well own the company, 
and the right to sell and distribute the product, but it might not own 
the Copyright.

Let's give you an example. In Sweden, Europe, there is a manufacturer of 
household appliances, worldwide know, named Electrolux. You live in USA, 
and might well start a company named Electrolux US, which in turn buys 
just about - OR even ALL - the shares of the Swedish company. You now 
own the company, but do you own their buildings, their production 
equipment, or even their copyrights? Not necessarily. Depends all on 
what exactly is included in the take-over. Even the very designer of the 
laundry-machine, might be the Copyright holder, meaning that he in fact 
could let several factories manufacture slightly modified versions of 
the same machine, without asking you as the company owner.

We will turn it all over, and give a contra-example.

Canon introduced a portable, book-sized ink-printer, back in 1990. It 
later on was distributed by Brother, and I do hold HP. Difference was 
that the original Canon printer had physical buttons, whereas the 
copy-products had only touch-fields. Oh, yes, and the cover was 
differently colored from one brand name to the other. Would now Brother, 
or HP, hold any copyright to the design of the printer? Likely Canon 
still held its copyright, but the others might have copyright on the 
midifications in appearance, as well as the modification they had in the 
drivers or electronic modifications they might have agreed on inside the 
unit. Each of the actors could have ended the sale of the unit at any 
given time, leaving the others the fuller market share.

Exactly

     WHAT

did VFO buy? The company, OK. But did they buy the actual product? Do 
they have the code dug down in some drawer? Or, did Doug throw it into 
his briefcase, the day he cleaned out his office? What was in that merge?

My greatest suggestion here, would be if someone would be kind to call 
the VFO, and ask them straight forwardly, exactly what copyright will be 
resting on the WinEyes product.

Furthermore, it might be worth to ask, to what extend VFO would ever 
take any steps toward copies of WinEyes. Specially so, since WinEyes at 
the end was given away, for all Office users.

For International users, there might be even more to the story, since 
they might be using a localized version of the screen reader, and I do 
not know if the local dealer, or translator, might have some kind of 
work on the software, that might have been included in the Copyrights. 
Instead of doing all the speculations here on the list, I do suggest 
someone check it up, and please come back and let us know your findings.

True, copyrights do eventually expire, and for all we know, it might 
expire soon enough. Patents for instance, sometimes only lasts for a 
decade. Music might only last for a couple of decades. And according to 
Gutenberg, I do seem to remember copyrights only goes back to 1937, 
unless the copyright somehow has been renewed. But even so, the 
copyright rules might differ from one country to another. Doug did tell 
me once, that some countries in which WinEyes was being sold, had 
copyright rules that contradicted those of USA, hence the localized 
versions of the screen reader would be under special applicable 
juridistictions.

I want to clarify, that I have no intention for anyone to wildly copy 
the screen reader. Yet, I do hold it would be in place, to get in touch 
with VFO - and have them clarify exactly what would apply, should anyone 
help out existing WinEyes users, who would happen to have lost their 
installation copy. In other words, the way I read this discussion, we 
are not talking about distributing anything to new, potential users. We 
are talking about those who already have had a legal attachment to the 
screen reader, while it was still being developed and maintained. For 
new, or future users, totally different aspects might be applicable. 
This might be good to stress, in the query to VFO, as it might affect 
the very reply given. I am in no position to predict the outcome of such 
contact with VFO, but I am sure most users of the screen reader might be 
interested in the answer.

David

On 9/9/2017 9:43 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:
> The "just click" may be a patent. In the US, patents expire in 17 
> years. But anything copyrighted since 1922 is, I think, still 
> copyrighted.
>
>
>
> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
> http://lras.home.sprynet.com
> -Original Message- From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, 
> Inc. via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2017 3:20 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
> Subject: RE:

Re: question about re installing wineyes

2017-09-09 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

The "just click" may be a patent. In the US, patents expire in 17 years. But 
anything copyrighted since 1922 is, I think, still copyrighted.




Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2017 3:20 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

Copyrights can, and do expire!  That's why there are so many free books out
there in the wilderness!  Since V F O or whatever name it calls itself no
longer supports or develops Window-Eyes, any copyright it may claim, if not
now, will eventually become useless and worthless!

Have you heard of Just Click?  Well, Amazon patented it almost forever.
This patent just expired and Amazon can't stop anyone from using or
modifying it for use on any product including the world wide web.

A good question for V F O or its functionaries will be how to convince a
court that its copyright of Window-Eyes is still valid when the product is
NO LONGER being developed.  Should be interesting, but I believe they'll
lose their teeth in the process!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: question about re installing wineyes

2017-09-09 Thread Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Copyrights can, and do expire!  That's why there are so many free books out
there in the wilderness!  Since V F O or whatever name it calls itself no
longer supports or develops Window-Eyes, any copyright it may claim, if not
now, will eventually become useless and worthless!  

Have you heard of Just Click?  Well, Amazon patented it almost forever.
This patent just expired and Amazon can't stop anyone from using or
modifying it for use on any product including the world wide web.  

A good question for V F O or its functionaries will be how to convince a
court that its copyright of Window-Eyes is still valid when the product is
NO LONGER being developed.  Should be interesting, but I believe they'll
lose their teeth in the process!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado  


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RE: question about re installing wineyes

2017-09-09 Thread Rod Hutton via Talk

Thanks, Carol.

That's what I assume, and so why I'm counselling caution about distributing 
Window-Eyes even though VFO claims that it will no longer be developed.
Besides, being their product, they can do whatever they want with Window-Eyes 
in the future, even resurrect it, should they choose to do so.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: September 9, 2017 2:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Hi Rod,

Yes, you are correct.  Even if the company is gone, the copywright is 
still there.  It is the same as a person writing a book.  The book can 
be copywrighted for as long as someone wishes to keep it going.  So, AI 
may have forwarded the copywright which would now fall on VFO to 
continue to maintain that, even though the product is no longer being 
distributed.

Carol


On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Russ and all,
>
> As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you install 
> Window-Eyes.
> Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread seems 
> to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes, I think you'll 
> run into copyright infringement if you do this.
>
> Hth,
>
> Rod
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
> Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: Russ Kiehne 
> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>
> It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's the
> serial number that matters.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Carol and Roger via Talk
> Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Carol and Roger
> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>
> Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
> the name and any other information that is asked for during installation
> would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your copy
> and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still be
> a demo copy.
>
>
> On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
>> If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person would
>> still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this
>> correct?
>>
>> On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]
>>
>>   wrote:
>>> Hi Loy,
>>>
>>> Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be
>>> okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it was
>>> no longer being developed.
>>> I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
>>> infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Rod
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Loy via Talk
>>> Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>>> Cc: Loy 
>>> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>>
>>> If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some
>>> countries you had to have a dongle.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Rod Hutton via Talk
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Cc: Rod Hutton
>>> Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
>>> Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Loy,
>>>
>>> If you truly know this, then, that's fine.
>>> I don't feel as certain about this as you seem to be.
>>> If you can explain this a bit, I'd appreciate it.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rod
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Loy via Talk
>>> Sent: September 8, 2017 10:40 AM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>>> Cc: Loy 
>>> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>>
>>> There has never been an online activation. I doubt that you can get a
>>> downloadable copy from VFO now, but if you can get a copy from someone
>>> else then you could install it. Being it is no longer being sold or
>>> developed then using some one else's copy would not matter.
>>>   - Original Message -
>>>   From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
>>>   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>   Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA
>>>   Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:24 AM
>>>   Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes
>>>
>>>
>>>   And then after installation of WE how about the online activation?
>>>
>>>

RE: question about re installing wineyes

2017-09-09 Thread Rod Hutton via Talk

Hi Tom,

Actually, I have not, as yet, set up any list.
I'm still working out the technical details for a website or a web folder where 
app updates will be available.

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Sent: September 9, 2017 1:44 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Tom Fairhurst 
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Rod, could you please send me the link to your List? I have misplaced it.

-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2017 11:47 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

Hi Russ and all,

As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you install 
Window-Eyes.
Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread seems 
to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes, I think 
you'll run into copyright infringement if you do this.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Russ Kiehne 
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's the
serial number that matters.

-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
the name and any other information that is asked for during installation
would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your copy
and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still be
a demo copy.


On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
> If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person would
> still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this
> correct?
>
> On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]
>
>  wrote:
>> Hi Loy,
>>
>> Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be
>> okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it was
>> no longer being developed.
>> I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
>> infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Loy via Talk
>> Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Loy 
>> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>
>> If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some
>> countries you had to have a dongle.
>>- Original Message -
>>From: Rod Hutton via Talk
>>To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>Cc: Rod Hutton
>>Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
>>Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes
>>
>>
>>Hi Loy,
>>
>>If you truly know this, then, that's fine.
>>I don't feel as certain about this as you seem to be.
>>If you can explain this a bit, I'd appreciate it.
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>Rod
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Loy via Talk
>>Sent: September 8, 2017 10:40 AM
>>To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>>Cc: Loy 
>>Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>
>>There has never been an online activation. I doubt that you can get a
>> downloadable copy from VFO now, but if you can get a copy from someone
>> else then you could install it. Being it is no longer being sold or
>> developed then using some one else's copy would not matter.
>>  - Original Message -
>>  From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
>>  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>  Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA
>>  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:24 AM
>>  Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes
>>
>>
>>  And then after installation of WE how about the online activation?
>>
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of aad leeflang via Talk
>>  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 12:07 PM
>>  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>  Cc: aad leeflang
>>  Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>
>>  ok thanks
>>  i used window eyes 9.4 on my old pc but i did not get a cd newer
>> than 9.0.
>>  i downloadee most versions.

Re: question about re installing wineyes

2017-09-09 Thread Carol and Roger via Talk

Hi Rod,

Yes, you are correct.  Even if the company is gone, the copywright is 
still there.  It is the same as a person writing a book.  The book can 
be copywrighted for as long as someone wishes to keep it going.  So, AI 
may have forwarded the copywright which would now fall on VFO to 
continue to maintain that, even though the product is no longer being 
distributed.

Carol

On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Russ and all,

As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you install 
Window-Eyes.
Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread seems to 
entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes, I think you'll run 
into copyright infringement if you do this.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Russ Kiehne 
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's the
serial number that matters.

-Original Message-
From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
the name and any other information that is asked for during installation
would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your copy
and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still be
a demo copy.

On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person would
still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this
correct?

On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]

  wrote:

Hi Loy,

Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be
okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it was
no longer being developed.
I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Loy 
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some
countries you had to have a dongle.
- Original Message -
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

Hi Loy,

If you truly know this, then, that's fine.
I don't feel as certain about this as you seem to be.
If you can explain this a bit, I'd appreciate it.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: September 8, 2017 10:40 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Loy 
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

There has never been an online activation. I doubt that you can get a
downloadable copy from VFO now, but if you can get a copy from someone
else then you could install it. Being it is no longer being sold or
developed then using some one else's copy would not matter.
  - Original Message -
  From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA
  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:24 AM
  Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

  And then after installation of WE how about the online activation?

  -Original Message-
  From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of aad leeflang via Talk
  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 12:07 PM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: aad leeflang
  Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

  ok thanks
  i used window eyes 9.4 on my old pc but i did not get a cd newer
than 9.0.
  i downloadee most versions.
  but how do i get a more acurate version though?
  or is there a way to copy the files from my old pc to my new pc.
  i guess not.
  aad
  On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 09:46:16 +
  Rod Hutton via Talk  wrote:

  > Hi Aad,
  >
  > In order to install Window-Eyes for Windows 10, you require at
least version 9.2.
  >
  > Hth,
  >
  > Rod
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Talk
  >

Re: question about re installing wineyes

2017-09-09 Thread Tom Fairhurst via Talk

Rod, could you please send me the link to your List? I have misplaced it.

-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2017 11:47 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

Hi Russ and all,

As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you install 
Window-Eyes.
Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread seems 
to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes, I think 
you'll run into copyright infringement if you do this.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Russ Kiehne 
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's the
serial number that matters.

-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
the name and any other information that is asked for during installation
would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your copy
and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still be
a demo copy.

On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person would
still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this
correct?

On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]

 wrote:

Hi Loy,

Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be
okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it was
no longer being developed.
I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Loy 
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some
countries you had to have a dongle.
   - Original Message -
   From: Rod Hutton via Talk
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Cc: Rod Hutton
   Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
   Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

   Hi Loy,

   If you truly know this, then, that's fine.
   I don't feel as certain about this as you seem to be.
   If you can explain this a bit, I'd appreciate it.

   Best,

   Rod

   -Original Message-
   From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
   Sent: September 8, 2017 10:40 AM
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
   Cc: Loy 
   Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

   There has never been an online activation. I doubt that you can get a
downloadable copy from VFO now, but if you can get a copy from someone
else then you could install it. Being it is no longer being sold or
developed then using some one else's copy would not matter.
 - Original Message -
 From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA
 Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:24 AM
 Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

 And then after installation of WE how about the online activation?

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of aad leeflang via Talk
 Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 12:07 PM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: aad leeflang
 Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

 ok thanks
 i used window eyes 9.4 on my old pc but i did not get a cd newer
than 9.0.
 i downloadee most versions.
 but how do i get a more acurate version though?
 or is there a way to copy the files from my old pc to my new pc.
 i guess not.
 aad
 On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 09:46:16 +
 Rod Hutton via Talk  wrote:

 > Hi Aad,
 >
 > In order to install Window-Eyes for Windows 10, you require at
least version 9.2.
 >
 > Hth,
 >
 > Rod
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: Talk
 > [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On
 > Behalf Of aad leeflang via Talk
 > Sent: September 8, 2017 5:15 AM
 > To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 > Cc: aad leeflang 
 > Subject: question about

RE: question about re installing wineyes

2017-09-09 Thread Rod Hutton via Talk

Hi Russ and all,

As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you install 
Window-Eyes.
Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread seems to 
entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes, I think you'll run 
into copyright infringement if you do this.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Russ Kiehne 
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's the 
serial number that matters.

-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
the name and any other information that is asked for during installation
would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your copy
and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still be
a demo copy.


On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
> If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person would 
> still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this 
> correct?
>
> On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]
>
>  wrote:
>> Hi Loy,
>>
>> Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be 
>> okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it was 
>> no longer being developed.
>> I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore, 
>> infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Loy via Talk
>> Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Loy 
>> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>
>> If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some 
>> countries you had to have a dongle.
>>- Original Message -
>>From: Rod Hutton via Talk
>>To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>Cc: Rod Hutton
>>Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
>>Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes
>>
>>
>>Hi Loy,
>>
>>If you truly know this, then, that's fine.
>>I don't feel as certain about this as you seem to be.
>>If you can explain this a bit, I'd appreciate it.
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>Rod
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Loy via Talk
>>Sent: September 8, 2017 10:40 AM
>>To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>>Cc: Loy 
>>Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>
>>There has never been an online activation. I doubt that you can get a 
>> downloadable copy from VFO now, but if you can get a copy from someone 
>> else then you could install it. Being it is no longer being sold or 
>> developed then using some one else's copy would not matter.
>>  - Original Message -
>>  From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
>>  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>  Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA
>>  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:24 AM
>>  Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes
>>
>>
>>  And then after installation of WE how about the online activation?
>>
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>> Behalf Of aad leeflang via Talk
>>  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 12:07 PM
>>  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>  Cc: aad leeflang
>>  Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>
>>  ok thanks
>>  i used window eyes 9.4 on my old pc but i did not get a cd newer 
>> than 9.0.
>>  i downloadee most versions.
>>  but how do i get a more acurate version though?
>>  or is there a way to copy the files from my old pc to my new pc.
>>  i guess not.
>>  aad
>>  On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 09:46:16 +
>>  Rod Hutton via Talk  wrote:
>>
>>  > Hi Aad,
>>  >
>>  > In order to install Window-Eyes for Windows 10, you require at 
>> least version 9.2.
>>  >
>>  > Hth,
>>  >
>>  > Rod
>>  >
>>  > -Original Message-
>>  > From: Talk
>>  > [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>> On
>>  > Behalf Of aad leeflang via Talk
>>  > Sent: September 8, 2017 5:15 AM
>>  > To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>>  > Cc: aad leeflang

Re: really impressed with Jaws2018

2017-09-09 Thread Russ Kiehne via Talk

A couple of days back I contacted Mike from Access Solutions.  He told me 
that the vfo group has made it a top priority to fix the tripletalk and 
dectalk issues in jaws 2018.

-Original Message- 
From: Debby Franson via Talk

Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 7:52 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Debby Franson
Subject: Re: really impressed with Jaws2018

Hi Russ!

I hope so too. I'm using the TripleTalk Mini with Window-Eyes 9.5.4.0. I
would love to use it in JAWS when I install it after building a new
midtower that I'm gathering parts for. There is nothing like hardware
speech. I started out with the DoubleTalk card in Vocal-Eyes and used it
with Window-Eyes until I no longer had a computer with an ISA slot,
upgraded to TripleTalk PCI and used it until the driver became too old for
Window-Eyes 9.5.3, I think it was, and switched to the TripleTalk Mini. I
will really miss that speech if I can someday no longer use it.

Debby

At 08:12 AM 8/31/2017, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote

I just hope that the vfo group fixed the tripletalk usb issue?

-Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:28 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: really impressed with Jaws2018

I just listened to the FS cast for Jaws 2018.  You can set verbosity levels
for what is spoken on the web.  You can take a picture of a file and ocr it
with Jaws very impressed.

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Re: question about re installing wineyes

2017-09-09 Thread Russ Kiehne via Talk

It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's the 
serial number that matters.

-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
the name and any other information that is asked for during installation
would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your copy
and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still be
a demo copy.

On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person would 
still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this 
correct?

On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]

 wrote:

Hi Loy,

Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be 
okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it was 
no longer being developed.
I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore, 
infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Loy via Talk

Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Loy 
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some 
countries you had to have a dongle.

   - Original Message -
   From: Rod Hutton via Talk
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Cc: Rod Hutton
   Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
   Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

   Hi Loy,

   If you truly know this, then, that's fine.
   I don't feel as certain about this as you seem to be.
   If you can explain this a bit, I'd appreciate it.

   Best,

   Rod

   -Original Message-
   From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Loy via Talk

   Sent: September 8, 2017 10:40 AM
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
   Cc: Loy 
   Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

   There has never been an online activation. I doubt that you can get a 
downloadable copy from VFO now, but if you can get a copy from someone 
else then you could install it. Being it is no longer being sold or 
developed then using some one else's copy would not matter.

 - Original Message -
 From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA
 Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:24 AM
 Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

 And then after installation of WE how about the online activation?

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of aad leeflang via Talk

 Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 12:07 PM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: aad leeflang
 Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

 ok thanks
 i used window eyes 9.4 on my old pc but i did not get a cd newer 
than 9.0.

 i downloadee most versions.
 but how do i get a more acurate version though?
 or is there a way to copy the files from my old pc to my new pc.
 i guess not.
 aad
 On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 09:46:16 +
 Rod Hutton via Talk  wrote:

 > Hi Aad,
 >
 > In order to install Window-Eyes for Windows 10, you require at 
least version 9.2.

 >
 > Hth,
 >
 > Rod
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: Talk
 > [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

 > Behalf Of aad leeflang via Talk
 > Sent: September 8, 2017 5:15 AM
 > To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 > Cc: aad leeflang 
 > Subject: question about re installing wineyes
 >
 > hello all
 > i have moved to a new pc with windows 10.
 > i wanted to re-install window eyes but i get a message that it 
does

 > not work under windows 10.
 > i had the cd version 9.0.
 > is there a way to get an fresh installation cd for window eyes so 
that

 > i re install it?
 > there are still some issues with jaws that don't work well and 
could

 > work better with window eyes.
 > anyway i still don't understand why people think that jaws sould 
be

 > better tan window eyes anyway.
 > aad
 >
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RE: really impressed with Jaws2018

2017-09-09 Thread Dennis Long via Talk

Subscribe to this   jaws list it is at least sometimes looked at  by VFO
product manager Eric Damery.

jaws-users-list-j...@jaws-users.com
You can send suggestions to 
suggesti...@vfogroup.com
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Debby Franson via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 08, 2017 10:08 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Debby Franson
Subject: RE: really impressed with Jaws2018

Hi Darrell or anyone!

So, that means that I would have to know what script I am looking for
exactly, or I wouldn't be able to find  it?

Is there a way to find out when a new script is released such as an FS news
only list or if I supscribed to one of the JAWS lists?

App Central is great. It's too bad no one ever thought of having a scrip
central for JAWS users.

Debby

At 09:07 PM 8/30/2017, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote
>No, the only way to get them is to go finding them on the internet.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>On Behalf Of Paulette Vickery via Talk
>Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:06 PM
>To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
>Cc: Paulette Vickery 
>Subject: RE: really impressed with Jaws2018
>
>Okay, but is there a list of scripts, free or for purchase, from which 
>to make selections?
>
>Paulette
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk 
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>On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
>Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:23 PM
>To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>Cc: Darrell Bowles
>Subject: RE: really impressed with Jaws2018
>
>Some scripts you have to pay for and some even are done in this SMA 
>style of pricing.
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>On Behalf Of Paulette Vickery via Talk
>Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:19 PM
>To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
>Cc: Paulette Vickery 
>Subject: RE: really impressed with Jaws2018
>
>Hi David,
>
>Window Eyes had a heading or department known as APP CENTRAL. This is 
>where you could find apps that had been developed for Window Eyes and I 
>presume approved by the program developers for use by everyone.  It was 
>easy to look through the collected apps and find ones that looked 
>interesting and put them on your computer.
> From what I understand, there is no such collection in what in JAWS is  
>called scripts, which can be browsed through to find scripts that are  
>interesting and can be installed on individual computers.
>If this is true, what is the use in writing scripts if only a select 
>few can find them. They should all be kept in one, easy to locate place 
>for general use.
>Thank you for answering my question.
>
>Paulette
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk 
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>On Behalf Of David Moore via Talk
>Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 6:20 PM
>To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>Cc: David Moore
>Subject: RE: really impressed with Jaws2018
>
>Hi all!
>I just listened to the latest FS Cast for JAWS 2018 as well, and it is 
>the best version of JAWS that has come out in years. I have been a JAWS 
>user since 2001 with version 3.7 LOL! I would say that the features 
>that are being included in this 2018 version, are the best since 
>version 12. That is a long time ago. JAWS will now do pretty much of 
>what Open Book does, but just not advanced. You can use JAWS 2018 to 
>scan .JPG images, and JAWS will read any text to you that is in that 
>image. You are in virtual PC cursor mode, so you can copy and paste the 
>text into a Word document. The new installer will be very good as well. 
>When JAWS updates throughout the year, only the new fix will be installed
instead of an entire new copy of JAWS.
>This will save a lot of time with a slow internet connection!
>Give this FS Cast a listen!
>I feel for all of you, but once you get used to this new version of 
>JAWS, you will slowly forget Window Eyes. JAWS, and a laptop web cam, 
>will now act like KNFB reader on the iPhone. You can just use the Web 
>Cam on your laptop, take a picture of print, and JAWS will do the OCR. 
>This is very powerful.
>Take care, guys!
>Please ask me any questions, because I even script for JAWS.
>David Moore
>Email:
>jesusloves1...@gmail.com
>Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
>From: Dennis Long via Talk
>Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 2:28 PM
>To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>Cc: Dennis Long
>Subject: really impressed with Jaws2018
>
>I just listened to the FS cast for Jaws 2018.  You can set verbosity 
>levels for what is spoken on the web.  You can take a picture of a file 
>and ocr it with Jaws very impressed.
>
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